WHITEWATER TOPPER repro, in all seriousness
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darinjacobs
Dec 1, 2011, 10:51:16 AM12/1/11
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Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
fell apart.
Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
with this. This is for the sign only.
I welcome your feedback.
Thanks
Darin
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Adam Becker
Dec 1, 2011, 11:00:21 AM12/1/11
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I'll preorder one
On Dec 1, 10:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Darin
>
> --
> darinjacobs
>
> PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> (decalsa...@comcast.net)
On Dec 1, 10:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Darin
>
> --
> darinjacobs
>
> (decalsa...@comcast.net)
scubadentist
Dec 1, 2011, 11:01:44 AM12/1/11
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On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Darin
>
> --
> darinjacobs
>
> PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Darin
>
> --
> darinjacobs
>
> (decalsa...@comcast.net)
Well, I'd buy one for starters....
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Pinster68
Dec 1, 2011, 11:12:08 AM12/1/11
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darinjacobs;1832140 Wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Darin
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Pinster68
kickback
Dec 1, 2011, 11:00:30 AM12/1/11
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I am very interested in a repro topper. Would this include the backing
plate as well as the decal? If so, I would think that you could easily
sell all 500 within six months, even if you had to resort to ebay
after you satisfied the rgp needs.
Why don't you have Rick open up pre-orders on his site and see what
the demand is?
plate as well as the decal? If so, I would think that you could easily
sell all 500 within six months, even if you had to resort to ebay
after you satisfied the rgp needs.
Why don't you have Rick open up pre-orders on his site and see what
the demand is?
CEllison
Dec 1, 2011, 11:10:32 AM12/1/11
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I think the 250 mark is going to be extremely hard to hit in a short
time frame.
First thing I'd do is make it mandatory for pre-payment. If the
project falls through people get refunded. No one should squak about
that and if they do they aren't serious about wanting one anyway.
Honestly, I think you guys need to look at this as a long term
investment instead of a "hit and run" type scenario. Selling 500 is
completely doable considering all the topperless machines out there
but you need to plan on sitting on some for a couple years would be my
guess.
"Now watch the topper horders start dumping them on eBay to ensure
they don't lose money with new product coming out"
-=Chris=-
time frame.
First thing I'd do is make it mandatory for pre-payment. If the
project falls through people get refunded. No one should squak about
that and if they do they aren't serious about wanting one anyway.
Honestly, I think you guys need to look at this as a long term
investment instead of a "hit and run" type scenario. Selling 500 is
completely doable considering all the topperless machines out there
but you need to plan on sitting on some for a couple years would be my
guess.
"Now watch the topper horders start dumping them on eBay to ensure
they don't lose money with new product coming out"
-=Chris=-
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Taylorva
Dec 1, 2011, 11:36:57 AM12/1/11
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I would buy one but 250 seems like a tall order.
I believe pinball inc. has the mold for the stand up plastic piece.
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Taylorva
Homer Stevens
Dec 1, 2011, 11:38:46 AM12/1/11
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Darin,
I think you could sell that many.A lot of games missing the topper and
A whole lot with bubbled and discolored toppers.
Homer
I think you could sell that many.A lot of games missing the topper and
A whole lot with bubbled and discolored toppers.
Homer
psk445
Dec 1, 2011, 11:33:59 AM12/1/11
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I would be in for one.
Also, I think selling 250+ of them would be fairly easy at the $200
price point. It's not just people who are completely missing the
topper that would have a need for this, but would also include people
with faded toppers (common) or with damaged toppers (bubbled) and also
people that are doing high end restores.
Also, I think selling 250+ of them would be fairly easy at the $200
price point. It's not just people who are completely missing the
topper that would have a need for this, but would also include people
with faded toppers (common) or with damaged toppers (bubbled) and also
people that are doing high end restores.
Pacpin
Dec 1, 2011, 11:52:19 AM12/1/11
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As much as i'd like to see this happen, realistically, 250 would be a
near impossible sale, let alone getting rid of the of the other 250.
Think about it, how many people on RGP even own a WH2O? And out of
that, how many NEED new toppers. I'd be surprised if you got even 50
orders out of the RGP group. So far you've got 6 people saying they
want one? That's a far cry from 250. So now you've got the remaining
200 to sell on ebay. Well what person that would spend 200 on a topper
isn't part of RGP or at least knows alot about pins? Not many. I'd
guess maybe 10-15 you could move on ebay. Then the orders would trickle
in after that. You might be better off to raise the price to 300.00 and
only have to move 100 units to break even.
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Pacpin
NM
Dec 1, 2011, 11:58:12 AM12/1/11
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I'd be in.
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Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.
psk445
Dec 1, 2011, 12:00:55 PM12/1/11
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On Dec 1, 8:52 am, Pacpin <jml_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Think about it, how many people on RGP even own a WH2O? And out of
> that, how many NEED new toppers.
A LOT!
> Think about it, how many people on RGP even own a WH2O? And out of
> that, how many NEED new toppers.
> So now you've got the remaining
> 200 to sell on ebay. Well what person that would spend 200 on a topper
> isn't part of RGP or at least knows alot about pins? Not many.
the most active.) New WH20 toppers on eBay would sell like hotcakes
as you are now reaching the entire world of pinball owners and would
easily sell for $200+.
Amazingly this was actually a somewhat contributing post from you.
seymour.shabow
Dec 1, 2011, 12:14:59 PM12/1/11
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darinjacobs wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
Prepaid preorder. History indicates lots of these projects are done
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
without this and the maker ends up stuck with them.
B.T.C.
Dec 1, 2011, 12:04:13 PM12/1/11
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I would preorder one
pinballace
Dec 1, 2011, 12:10:48 PM12/1/11
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kickback;1832148 Wrote:
> I am very interested in a repro topper. Would this include the
> backing
> plate as well as the decal? If so, I would think that you could
> easily
> sell all 500 within six months, even if you had to resort to ebay
> after you satisfied the rgp needs.
>
We've already made the backbox decal support so all that's left is the
decal. Please make the decal!
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pinballace
Hans
Dec 1, 2011, 12:13:14 PM12/1/11
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I think that $200 may be a bit prohibitive to be honest. Even without
the topper, it's already an expensive machine to restore given the
cost of the ramps.
Then add in another $125 or so for the dome and stand of course, and
it's $325 for everything.
You'd sell some in the initial frenzy for people that really want
one, but it's not low enough for folks like myself who have decently
passable toppers already.
-Hans
the topper, it's already an expensive machine to restore given the
cost of the ramps.
Then add in another $125 or so for the dome and stand of course, and
it's $325 for everything.
You'd sell some in the initial frenzy for people that really want
one, but it's not low enough for folks like myself who have decently
passable toppers already.
-Hans
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scottself
Dec 1, 2011, 12:45:31 PM12/1/11
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Having experienced first hand (at Big Time Cabinets) the tendency of
buyers to fade away once a product is released, I would say go the
pre-order route.
That being said, I am definitely in for one!
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scottself
James Lewis
Dec 1, 2011, 12:50:09 PM12/1/11
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If we are talking just the decal..... no. If we are talking the decal
with the plastic standup I would probably be in IF I could buy the
plastic dome to go over it. When I bought mine I chose a complete
mountain set over a topper having no idea that the silly topper would
lower the value that much. I care not, it doesnt make the game any less
fun.
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James Lewis
bakas...@yahoo.com
Dec 1, 2011, 12:54:56 PM12/1/11
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machine has a topper but it has seen better days.
Brian
psk445
Dec 1, 2011, 1:06:28 PM12/1/11
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HUH?
Dome:
http://mad-amusements.com/product.php?id_product=458
Plastic Stand:
http://mad-amusements.com/product.php?id_product=1689
New Decal:
TBD
Complete brand new topper = $300
Dome:
http://mad-amusements.com/product.php?id_product=458
Plastic Stand:
http://mad-amusements.com/product.php?id_product=1689
New Decal:
TBD
Complete brand new topper = $300
ChevelleSSguy
Dec 1, 2011, 1:11:18 PM12/1/11
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bat. Thats probably not going to happen. If your looking to sell them
all, it might take a little bit but they will certainly sell. I had no
idea these werent being made actually. It sounds like a lot of people
need them. If you post a presale here on RGP, KLOV, Pinside, Ebay,
Craigslist, and all the other classifieds out there you can find. You
should be fine.
kenny_ii
Dec 1, 2011, 1:35:01 PM12/1/11
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I have to disagree about requiring prepayment. Sears doesn't require a
prepayment to make your new TV. Hobby guys without resources may need
deposits for funding, but companies bring products to market without
deposits all the time, it's sort of the way it works.
K2
kenny_ii
seymour.shabow
Dec 1, 2011, 1:56:03 PM12/1/11
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kenny_ii wrote:
> I have to disagree about requiring prepayment. Sears doesn't require a
> prepayment to make your new TV. Hobby guys without resources may need
> deposits for funding, but companies bring products to market without
> deposits all the time, it's sort of the way it works.
Companies bring products to broad markets; niche/hobbyists markets is a
> I have to disagree about requiring prepayment. Sears doesn't require a
> prepayment to make your new TV. Hobby guys without resources may need
> deposits for funding, but companies bring products to market without
> deposits all the time, it's sort of the way it works.
different story.
Darrin's the in middle, he has the resources, but at the same time, he
also does not want to get stuck with the inventory, tying up his more
limited resources.
Prepaid gets the people out of the mix that say they'll buy it, but then
don't. It judges real demand from people willing to put up the capital
so the producer knows they're serious about purchasing.
All it takes is 2-3 overran projects for these small producers to not
even bother.
James Lewis
Dec 1, 2011, 1:44:35 PM12/1/11
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I had no idea they sold the stand up. I assume they are NOS, there isnt
any reason to remake it if there are no stickers.
I would buy the sticker just to make my game complete.
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James Lewis
John Wart, jr
Dec 1, 2011, 1:48:51 PM12/1/11
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the metal trim piece, fasteners etc.
I'd do $300 on my game, considering the playfields were $800 and a new
set of ramps is $600, what's another $300? Not even talking boulders,
plastics, flipper rebuilds, star posts, etc. Expensive game to restore,
but in the course of things, what's another $300?
John Wart, jr
Dec 1, 2011, 1:50:55 PM12/1/11
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On 12/1/2011 1:44 PM, James Lewis wrote:
> I had no idea they sold the stand up. I assume they are NOS, there isnt
> any reason to remake it if there are no stickers.
>
> I would buy the sticker just to make my game complete.
>
>
No, the plastic standup is new production. Treasurecove has a decal that
> I had no idea they sold the stand up. I assume they are NOS, there isnt
> any reason to remake it if there are no stickers.
>
> I would buy the sticker just to make my game complete.
>
>
lacks the mirrored effect, which adds a lot to the game - but a TC decal
on the standup is better than nothing.
Beechwood
Dec 1, 2011, 1:57:33 PM12/1/11
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Selling 250 should be reachable. US sales alone, that is only 5 per
state. Add in the rest of the world, I think it could happen.
--
Beechwood
Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"
seymour.shabow
Dec 1, 2011, 2:19:22 PM12/1/11
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John Wart, jr wrote:
>
> I'd do $300 on my game, considering the playfields were $800 and a new
> set of ramps is $600, what's another $300? Not even talking boulders,
> plastics, flipper rebuilds, star posts, etc. Expensive game to restore,
> but in the course of things, what's another $300?
>
It's $300. I'll send you my address if you're giving away Triple Ben's. ;)
>
> I'd do $300 on my game, considering the playfields were $800 and a new
> set of ramps is $600, what's another $300? Not even talking boulders,
> plastics, flipper rebuilds, star posts, etc. Expensive game to restore,
> but in the course of things, what's another $300?
>
I tend to be more impressed with people that take what they have and
make it really nice on the cheap.
Bryan Kelly
Dec 1, 2011, 2:12:28 PM12/1/11
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I've told Rick dozens of times, this is one part I think is really
needed. Not only are most wrinkled, but they're also faded badly.
I've got an NOS on mine and the colors really stand out.
I've restored 5 WH2O's in the last 2 years and I know all the owners
would have bought one, if they were available.
Start a preorder with a discounted preorder price and I'll take 5.
And I have no issue whatsoever with putting money down on something
like this seeing as it's you doing them, Darin. :-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Darin
>
> --
> darinjacobs
>
> PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> (decalsa...@comcast.net)
needed. Not only are most wrinkled, but they're also faded badly.
I've got an NOS on mine and the colors really stand out.
I've restored 5 WH2O's in the last 2 years and I know all the owners
would have bought one, if they were available.
Start a preorder with a discounted preorder price and I'll take 5.
And I have no issue whatsoever with putting money down on something
like this seeing as it's you doing them, Darin. :-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> fell apart.
>
> Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Darin
>
> --
> darinjacobs
>
> PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> (decalsa...@comcast.net)
Bryan Kelly
Dec 1, 2011, 2:14:54 PM12/1/11
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And we need the damn speaker panel remade also!! ;-)
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Dec 1, 1:12 pm, Bryan Kelly <bskel...@aol.com> wrote:
> I've told Rick dozens of times, this is one part I think is really
> needed. Not only are most wrinkled, but they're also faded badly.
> I've got an NOS on mine and the colors really stand out.
>
> I've restored 5 WH2O's in the last 2 years and I know all the owners
> would have bought one, if they were available.
>
> Start a preorder with a discounted preorder price and I'll take 5.
> And I have no issue whatsoever with putting money down on something
> like this seeing as it's you doing them, Darin. :-)
>
> Bryan (CARGPB 14)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
> I've told Rick dozens of times, this is one part I think is really
> needed. Not only are most wrinkled, but they're also faded badly.
> I've got an NOS on mine and the colors really stand out.
>
> I've restored 5 WH2O's in the last 2 years and I know all the owners
> would have bought one, if they were available.
>
> Start a preorder with a discounted preorder price and I'll take 5.
> And I have no issue whatsoever with putting money down on something
> like this seeing as it's you doing them, Darin. :-)
>
>
> On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> > fell apart.
>
> > Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> > look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> > actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> > but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> > Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> > it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> > Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> > preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> > with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> > I welcome your feedback.
>
> > Thanks
> > Darin
>
> > --
> > darinjacobs
>
> > PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> > (decalsa...@comcast.net)
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> On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> > fell apart.
>
> > Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> > look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> > actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> > but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> > Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> > it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> > Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> > preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> > with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> > I welcome your feedback.
>
> > Thanks
> > Darin
>
> > --
> > darinjacobs
>
> > PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> > (decalsa...@comcast.net)
>
> - Show quoted text -
Joseph 'Tony' Dziedzic
Dec 1, 2011, 2:27:31 PM12/1/11
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Darin, you need to explain exactly what you're proposing to sell for
$200. Is it just the embossed foil sticker that affixes to the front
of the plastic backing? Is the larger background sticker included
with this? Or is it the entire assembly of plastic backing,
background sticker, and foil sticker?
Thanks,
Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
$200. Is it just the embossed foil sticker that affixes to the front
of the plastic backing? Is the larger background sticker included
with this? Or is it the entire assembly of plastic backing,
background sticker, and foil sticker?
Thanks,
Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
Dave
Dec 1, 2011, 2:28:20 PM12/1/11
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On Dec 1, 11:12 am, Bryan Kelly <bskel...@aol.com> wrote:
> I've told Rick dozens of times, this is one part I think is really
> needed. Not only are most wrinkled, but they're also faded badly.
> I've got an NOS on mine and the colors really stand out.
>
> I've restored 5 WH2O's in the last 2 years and I know all the owners
> would have bought one, if they were available.
>
> Start a preorder with a discounted preorder price and I'll take 5.
> And I have no issue whatsoever with putting money down on something
> like this seeing as it's you doing them, Darin. :-)
>
> Bryan (CARGPB 14)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
> I've told Rick dozens of times, this is one part I think is really
> needed. Not only are most wrinkled, but they're also faded badly.
> I've got an NOS on mine and the colors really stand out.
>
> I've restored 5 WH2O's in the last 2 years and I know all the owners
> would have bought one, if they were available.
>
> Start a preorder with a discounted preorder price and I'll take 5.
> And I have no issue whatsoever with putting money down on something
> like this seeing as it's you doing them, Darin. :-)
>
>
> On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> > fell apart.
>
> > Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> > look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> > actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> > but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> > Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> > it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> > Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> > preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> > with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> > I welcome your feedback.
>
> > Thanks
> > Darin
>
> > --
> > darinjacobs
>
> > PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> > (decalsa...@comcast.net)
> > This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com
I have a WH2O with a decal I repaired with the TC overlay. It looks
> On Dec 1, 9:51 am, darinjacobs <decalsa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Was close to getting this off the ground until my partnership with Gene
> > fell apart.
>
> > Was talking with Rick (BAA) last night and we are going to take another
> > look at getting these done. Our main concern is how many people would
> > actually buy them? We think we could sell 20 out of the gate around $200
> > but then maybe sell one every few months or so.
>
> > Because new handmade plates have to be made we need to run 500 to make
> > it cost effective. Which means we need to sell 250 just to break even.
>
> > Do you think we could sell that many? How would you feel about doing a
> > preorder to make this happen? Testing the waters before we go further
> > with this. This is for the sign only.
>
> > I welcome your feedback.
>
> > Thanks
> > Darin
>
> > --
> > darinjacobs
>
> > PM's turned off. Please email me directly at 'decalsa...@comcast.net'
> > (decalsa...@comcast.net)
> > This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com
good but if I wish I had the option of a repro decal back then.
Selling 250 is a huge number, I can't imagine you will get that number
of pre-sales. But, have no fear pre-ordering from Darin. He made
arcade cocktail Ms Pacman and Galaga screen printed glass tops that I
thought could never get repro'ed!
Good luck with another needed repro item!
Chris
Dec 1, 2011, 2:37:41 PM12/1/11
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Have you thought about doing a kickstarter for this? Then you could
get the backing you need up front.
get the backing you need up front.
hugh
Dec 1, 2011, 2:59:03 PM12/1/11
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kenny_ii;1832270 Wrote:
> I have to disagree about requiring prepayment. Sears doesn't require a
> prepayment to make your new TV. Hobby guys without resources may need
> deposits for funding, but companies bring products to market without
> deposits all the time, it's sort of the way it works.
>
> K2
product was announced, many people stepped up and said they would buy
one and when it came time to pay most backed up leaving the producer
with a lot of stock. It has happened multiple times. If people really
want this product they need to step up and pay.
If there was anyone that I know in this hobby that will get it done and
get it done properly its Darin. I think a prepay option is the only way
to go with such a high risk venture.
Hugh
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hugh
ron ott
Dec 1, 2011, 3:04:25 PM12/1/11
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Im in for 2
Hans
Dec 1, 2011, 3:42:02 PM12/1/11
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>
> All it takes is 2-3 overran projects for these small producers to not
> even bother.
capital locked up in dead inventory. Just look at the guy who did the
Genesis reproduction ramps. He said they turned out great, I think he
sold them all pretty fast, and he's never going to do anything ever
again due to the complexity of it all. This sounds like a $10,000
project easily to get the toppers into production, so I can understand
why smaller guys are nervous about this one. It would be a whole
different story if the original embossing die was still around, since
that's probably 2/3 or so of the initial outlay. Tough call on the
pricing, as that's a big bite to try and recoup if the sales volume is
small.
I tried a few months ago to track down who may have done the
originals, but never had any luck finding out who the supplier was.
-Hans
CEllison
Dec 1, 2011, 3:53:54 PM12/1/11
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Glad the business minded people jumped in to reaffirm the NEED for pre
orders. But yet how many complained when JJP took pre orders? heh heh
Anyway - as far as tracking down the original plate (whatever it's
called), Rick is a Williams rights holder - he should be able to
simply pick up the phone and call Williams and find out who did it and
go from there.
Well, in theory it sounds that easy. I would assume he has and hit a
dead end.
-=Chris=-
orders. But yet how many complained when JJP took pre orders? heh heh
Anyway - as far as tracking down the original plate (whatever it's
called), Rick is a Williams rights holder - he should be able to
simply pick up the phone and call Williams and find out who did it and
go from there.
Well, in theory it sounds that easy. I would assume he has and hit a
dead end.
-=Chris=-
Hans
Dec 1, 2011, 3:57:22 PM12/1/11