Who sells the best quality rubber rings?
Dr. Dave
kits.
Quality of the rubber is more important to me than the price
sooooo....
Who sells the best quality rubber rings these days?
Thanks,
DR
Fred Kemper
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Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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"Dr. Dave" <davids...@yahoo.com> wrote
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coincidence that Terry has the best prices, too.
-Gregg B.
seymour.shabow
Actionpinball's where I go when I want the freshest rings. Don't know
if they sell in bulk though.
I usually just buy from PBL.
-scott CARGPB#29
ScooterMcTavish
Always get what I need, quick, at a fair price, and I have an account
which makes getting stuff easy.
Happy with the quality of what they sell.
Scott
Dave
I'm not super with the quality of rings I've been seing lately. And I
don't blame the retailers, of course. Several of the white rings I've
receieved were already starting to yellow. Plus sometimes the rubber
just kind of feels cheap. It's not a huge deal to me and rings are
pretty inexpensive but this thread just reminded me of my
dissatisfaction.
BUY...@aol.com
We buy from mad amusements He beats happ with fair and fast
shipping he beats the drunk also , again we buy in full bags of
100 rubbers ,Plus mike is a good guy
Retrogameconnection
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Sorry - Who's the drunk ?
pincorrect
> Never had any problems with Steve Young at PBR.
What do you say to taking up a collection so we can buy Steve Young an
abacus so he can move up into the 19th century?
JonC
How about you contribute something to pinball, maybe one post helping
someone?
Jon
hcuta
> Never had any problems with Steve Young at PBR.
>
I too have never had any problems with Steve at PBR. This is
primarily because his ordering system is so ridiculously antiquated
that I order from other sites. Hopefully this one post will help
steer someone towards Pinball Life or Action Pinball, who have nice
fresh rubbers and websites that allow you to order and pay for them.
cody!
ScooterMcTavish
Geez, how tough is it to send an e-mail stating what you want, then
they get back to you with the final shipment cost?
Yes, not having PayPal or credit card can be a teeny bit of a hassle,
but considering the work Steve and his folks are puting into helping
us hobbyists, I consider it a small inconvenience and well worth any
trouble.
The fact they give you credit after one shipment makes this a no
brainer. Business they way it used to be done. And from my
perspective, nothing wrong with the way we used to do things.
And FYI, the last set of rings I received two weeks ago? Pristine
white.
PT
> Yes, not having PayPal or credit card can be a teeny bit of a hassle,
> but considering the work Steve and his folks are puting into helping
> us hobbyists, I consider it a small inconvenience and well worth any
> trouble.
I have completely stopped using PBR at this point. Maybe I am a lazy
bastard, but having to write a check, address an envelope and put a
stamp on it is a lot of work. I pay for bills, taxes, car
registration etc, etc electronically. I doubt that I sent a single
check in the mail 2009. It would be different if this was still the
80s and I was sending out multiple checks every month. I'll take a
website that I can order from directly, using a shopping cart, know
the item is in stock and pay using paypal.
John
pincorrect
I think encouraging PBR to move their accounting out of the 19th
century would help a lot of people.
Don't get me wrong. I think they're good people and I like how "old-
timey" and personalized their service is. But at this point in time,
it's really backwards for them to not take online payment and have a
shopping cart. They're really wasting time, money and potential
business by not embracing new technology. Obviously, Steve Young
isn't motivated by having more business, but I suspect he's doing a
bunch of extra work with all the manual accounting that could be
avoided.
pincorrect
> On Nov 21, 2:15 pm, hcuta <hc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 20, 9:55 am, ScooterMcTavish <scottcr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Never had any problems with Steve Young at PBR.
>
> > I too have never had any problems with Steve at PBR. This is
> > primarily because his ordering system is so ridiculously antiquated
> > that I order from other sites. Hopefully this one post will help
> > steer someone towards Pinball Life or Action Pinball, who have nice
> > fresh rubbers and websites that allow you to order and pay for them.
>
> > cody!
>
> Geez, how tough is it to send an e-mail stating what you want, then
> they get back to you with the final shipment cost?
Would you buy a tv without a remote control? Why not? What's the
big deal getting off your ass to change the channel?
Who needs dishwashers? Just do your own dishes. How tough is that?
And hey, why mess with a microwave oven when you can use a stove?
Come to think of it, this whole Internet thing... why not just write
regular letters to people and wait for them to respond? How tough is
that?
I'm just saying, there comes a point where embracing new technology
isn't just a no-brainer; it becomes somewhat of a necessity to be
competitive as well as profitable.
I just kind of feel sorry for Steve, because he could have a higher
quality of life if he was willing to embrace some modern technology.
I don't see any rational reason for not doing so.
Like I said before, I like how personal his business is. It makes me
feel a bit sentimental. But at the same time, it's also a hassle to
pay him when 99.9% of the time with other people I can pay immediately
when I place the order and not worry about it. How difficult is it
for the guy to get a Paypal account? Really?
Andrew Barney
> Geez, how tough is it to send an e-mail stating what you want, then
> they get back to you with the final shipment cost?
It's not tough. It's lame.
> Yes, not having PayPal or credit card can be a teeny bit of a hassle,
> but considering the work Steve and his folks are puting into helping
> us hobbyists, I consider it a small inconvenience and well worth any
> trouble.
The other vendors contribute as well... and have a means to purchase
parts that is expected for this day and age.
Andrew
BallySSfan
him, then you say he is stupid, then you imply it will be profitable without
considering the consequences of hardware software licensing support man
hours expenses resulting in increased prices, then you say you know what's
best for HIS business, then you come full circle and say you like him ...
just because it's a hassle to you.
I have heard all this before from people like you.
"pincorrect" <ico...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Andy B
> First you say you like him, then you demean him, then you ridicule and pity
> him, then you say he is stupid, then you imply it will be profitable without
> considering the consequences of hardware software licensing support man
> hours expenses resulting in increased prices, then you say you know what's
> best for HIS business, then you come full circle and say you like him ...
> just because it's a hassle to you.
>
> I have heard all this before from people like you.
>
>
> news:946630fb-b24c-4ecc...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 21, 7:55 pm, ScooterMcTavish <scottcr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2:15 pm, hcuta <hc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 20, 9:55 am, ScooterMcTavish <scottcr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Never had any problems with Steve Young at PBR.
>
> > > I too have never had any problems with Steve at PBR. This is
> > > primarily because his ordering system is so ridiculously antiquated
> > > that I order from other sites. Hopefully this one post will help
> > > steer someone towards Pinball Life or Action Pinball, who have nice
> > > fresh rubbers and websites that allow you to order and pay for them.
>
business that extends credit to you and helps keep overhead low by not
paying the credit card companies and a percent of the sales to a
merchant account provider. So you need to write a check and mail it ?
The USPS was the only goverment agency that was self supporting
without tax dollars. They did not need a bail out either like the
credit card companies and banks. We paid for that with interest rates
and taxes. An old fashion way of doing business is what will save this
country in the end. Not to mention I am sure there is a percentage of
sales that go unpaid for Steve's trusting way of sending parts before
getting paid.
Andy B.
PT
> business that extends credit to you and helps keep overhead low by not
> paying the credit card companies and a percent of the sales to a
> merchant account provider. So you need to write a check and mail it ?
> The USPS was the only goverment agency that was self supporting
> without tax dollars. They did not need a bail out either like the
> credit card companies and banks. We paid for that with interest rates
> and taxes. An old fashion way of doing business is what will save this
> country in the end. Not to mention I am sure there is a percentage of
> sales that go unpaid for Steve's trusting way of sending parts before
> getting paid.
> Andy B.
Last time I checked Paypal didn't need a government bailout.
And yes, not having a shopping cart and paypal is more than enough for
me not to buy from them any more. I have to wonder if companies like
PBL, LSOG and Mad Amusements would even exist if Steve would have only
modernized his operation. No reason he can't have both systems.
Paypal/shopping carts for the overwhelming masses who desire it.
Email/mailing checks for the old ladies who still use checks in the
grocery stores. ;-)
John
seymour.shabow
>> Yes, not having PayPal or credit card can be a teeny bit of a hassle,
>> but considering the work Steve and his folks are puting into helping
>> us hobbyists, I consider it a small inconvenience and well worth any
>> trouble.
>
> I have completely stopped using PBR at this point. Maybe I am a lazy
> bastard, but having to write a check, address an envelope and put a
> stamp on it is a lot of work.
Yup, you are.
One lazy bastard to another, difference is that I don't mind writing a
check.
Sheesh.
-scott CARGPB#29
pincorrect
> Let me understand this, you have someone who is running a mom and pop
> business that extends credit to you and helps keep overhead low by not
> paying the credit card companies and a percent of the sales to a
> merchant account provider.
First off, you have to pay in advance the first time you want to deal
with PBR, using the US Mail, so if you need a part quickly, you can
just forget it. You have to mail them a check, then wait for them to
process it before they even send the order. In many cases, I believe
they don't even stock stuff so you have to wait until they get it from
some other supplier before it even goes out to you.
Second, he's not really saving any money by not handling credit
cards. The banks usually charge for processing checks now or have
various service fees that don't make them any more attractive than
handling credit cards. Even so, he could tack on the extra 2-3% for
credit card orders and nobody would bat an eye at it.
Using snail mail is another potential point of failure and delay
that's completely unnecessary. On top of that, the time it takes to
handle the mail, deposit the checks, wait for them to clear, etc., is
also completely unnecessary. If he used Paypal, the whole thing could
be done in seconds, saving a lot of time.
In addition, if he had a shopping cart, he could flag items as in or
out of stock, have shipping prices automatically calculated and
automate a lot of manual processes making the whole operation more
efficient.
> An old fashion way of doing business is what will save this
> country in the end.
Yea, that and a nickel will get you a cup of coffee right?
So maybe we should go back to making horses and buggies? Then America
can become another center of industry? Have you guys ever run your
own business? I mean, besides taking christmas ornaments, sticking a
LED in them and marking them up 9000%?
Really, there's no good reason to not get with the program. He has a
web site. Inside of a a few hours, his site could be integrated with
Paypal and the whole operation would be dramatically streamlined -- he
could even print up his own shipping labels.
This to me, is one of the reasons this industry has died. Some of you
guys are so defensive and resistant to change and innovation, you'd
rather sit there and compliment the captain while the ship is
sinking. You only have yourselves to blame. Maybe if more people
were offering constructive criticism earlier in the pinball industry,
it might have survived.
pincorrect
> First you say you like him, then you demean him, then you ridicule and pity
> him, then you say he is stupid, then you imply it will be profitable without
> considering the consequences of hardware software licensing support man
> hours expenses resulting in increased prices, then you say you know what's
> best for HIS business, then you come full circle and say you like him ...
> just because it's a hassle to you.
As a person, he's probably a pretty cool guy. I don't know him
personally, but I don't have a reason to dislike him.
As a businessman, I think he leaves a lot to be desired.
What the hell are you talking about with hardware/software licensing
support man hours? Am I the only person around here who has any
practical business experience? What's with you people? Do you think
you need a goddam bachelor's degree to set up an online ordering
system? Any elementary school kid can put up a paypal link in 10
minutes. If you can follow some simple directions and have a checking
account, you can set up a Paypal account in minutes. It's not rocket
science. It doesn't require any significant investment in time or
support.
Sometimes I don't understand you people. You're so insecure you can't
take any criticism without getting your manties in a bunch. In the
world of business, it's about making money and giving the customer
what he wants. This guy is losing money because he's made doing
business with him more difficult. He could streamline his operation
and handle his business more efficiently. If you disagree, then I
suspect you simply don't know much about this field.
If he didn't have some parts that I've not found elsewhere, I wouldn't
deal with him either. That's really the only thing he has going for
him. Some of the stuff he sells are extremely difficult to find
elsewhere. Otherwise, it's a lot easier to pay online and not have to
mess with stuff.
What's funny is, if this were in any other industry than pinball, you
all would be bitching and moaning, and you probably do bitch and moan
daily about some other customer service situation that you think is
inefficient, but you have a double standard when it comes to a few
buddies in the industry. You're not doing them any favors.
Andrew Barney
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Despite our common name I have to disagree.
His prices are lower compared to who?
I would be willing to pay the small fee of the CC transaction to not
have to mail a check... Checks cost time... AND money. Paypal's fees
are a bit more crazy, but we pay the price for ease of use.
Not sure about the USPS comments, but it is funny you use them as a
reference. I can order supplies and even print postage online. Even
they get it!
Common sense would save this country, but not the old fashioned way of
doing things. The day of mail order catalog items has passed. Long
passed.
We have tolerated it because in some cases he is the only one with a
part. If that demand for scarce items was gone he would be too.
The previous post about modernization brought up a good point. Many of
the parts places owe a large part of their existence to his company
being stuck in the past.
Andrew B.
Stavs
I still pay Steve electronically. I use my banks billpay feature and
they take care of it.
Jim D. in TN
> I would be willing to pay the small fee of the CC transaction to not
> have to mail a check... Checks cost time... AND money. Paypal's fees
> are a bit more crazy, but we pay the price for ease of use.
Even with my small town banks, I can electronically send a payment to
anyone at no cost to myself or the recipient. For businesses like
PBR, they mail the check for me. Now I do have to enter the postal
address but that is a one time task. I don't even have to get up to
find my credit cards.
Jim D. in TN
> I still pay Steve electronically. I use my banks billpay feature and
> they take care of it.
I do the same.
I can't believe all the whining and criticism. I'd recommend we each
do business with whomever we like. Why complain about someone with
whom you don't do business?
seymour.shabow
That's a really good idea, they cut and send the check? I never thought
of that. Now, the complaint will probably be that they have to enter
the information.....
-scott CARGPB#29
ScooterMcTavish
rubbers.
I said PBR - nice to deal with, very helpful, and the quality is good.
OP asked a simple question - if there's other recommendations you
have, great! Don't see why there needs to be a big debate on what you
do/don't like about Steve's business.
Just say why you recommend your supplier without bashing the others.
If your suppliers are also supporting the hobby, great! We all need
as much help as we can get.
Mike Fox
their own rubber molds as well. Pinball Life is a manufacturer of
rubber as well and probably sells as much rubber as Happ does. I know
many of the people selling rubber ring kits buy their bulk rubber from
Pinball Life. The quality of rubber from Happ as well as the
availability is very hit-or-miss as Happ doesn't seem to care.
Mike
On Nov 19, 7:31 pm, "Fred Kemper" <pbgar...@davlin.net> wrote:
> Doesn't really matter anymore. Most everything NEW is Happ.
>
> :(
>
> --
> Fred
> TX
> CARGPB#8
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> "Dr. Dave" <davidsarc...@yahoo.com> wrote
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>
>
> > I'm looking to re-stock up my supply and want to buy in bulk, no
> > kits.
>
> > Quality of the rubber is more important to me than the price
> > sooooo....
>
> > Who sells the best quality rubber rings these days?
>
> > Thanks,
> > DR- Hide quoted text -
Sean Kavanagh
Don't sweat it Scooter...people have been all over this gripe for
longer than most of the gripers have even been in the hobby. LOL.
Most people realize that PBR offers something none of the other
vendors can match...experience. And I personally am glad we have a
choice between business models. If you just need quick everyday items
and don't want to mess with PBR's antiquated ways, then you can order
from one of the others. Steve willfully doesn't provide that service,
so others have stepped up. But if you need a oddball parts, or aren't
really sure what you need, Steve and Gloria are there for you...
It would be an incredibily daunting job to put Steve's business
"online". He truly has millions of parts...just getting the inventory
up would take a massive job they are not equipped to handle with their
current staff. He probably *could* hre more people and get it done,
but I don't think he wants to...guess what...it's his business and
he's happy with it. And so am I. Those who don't like it go
elsewhere then come on here and complain...always been that way, and I
hope it always will be.
Thanks Steve for all the years of advice and service I've
recieved...this hobby without you would be very different...
Sean
Gott Lieb?
Jim