OT - Craig's List Issues

[bar...@comcast.net]

Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.

I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.

Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.

I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

[ltg]

Craigslist does keep record just for this. Try Google for ideas on how
to contact them. Or had your attorney do it. Be sure you copy the ad.

LTG : )

[Wedgehead Killer]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander. I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly. Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed. I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

I have a seperate issue with Craigslist, I search for Pinballs each day, but a certain area, EAST of NYC has a shiton of ads pinball related. They are going by air miles or something, it is at least 3-4 hours and bridge and restricted roads for my pickup, to get to some of these places that are "nearby" . Meanwhile places 90 minutes away do not come up as nearby. WTF. What I have to do is to pick an CL area close to mine that eliminates the ocean as a means of travel.

[CEG]

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[bar...@comcast.net]

CEG,

Thanks! I think that might have been one of the phone numbers I already tried but I talked to the attorney again and we have decided to just go ahead and send a written request certified mail. That is likely what it will take to get info released anyway.

I know Craig's List is a free venue and like people say about a lot of things in life - you only get what you pay for so how much can you expect from a free venue. But this time one SOB stepped over the line and I'll be sure it cost him (or her) plenty.

Thankfully, my attorney is a relative and he owes me a couple favors so this will be free for me but I know it will not be cheap for the other guy. So now it is my turn to have some fun with a guy that has been making my life tough for over two years on Craig's List.

[PinballGuy]

Im curious, what damages are you claiming you suffered? If you are
going after monitary damages, how will you be proving his slander caused
you financial damage or otherwise?

Be nice to know the outcome!


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[barakandl]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:

Litigation will go no where. Your lawyer is just taking a paycheck.

[Frank Furhter]

Get over using or hoping CL will be your next Ebay?
Move to actual brick and mortar and using networking and quality of
business as a means of growing your efforts instead of shit like CL. CL
is the cesspool of markets... Emotionally, Socially, Spiritually,
Mentally, Financially, ... etc. RGP is right behind it, or under it,
or so forth. You are crying on the wrong forum about sludge.

--
The Frankster, a playfield prankster
Once upon my crank her ballpark shrank.
http://PinWiki.net, Prep-H 4 pinballers.
CARGPB #42 (Its free to join, sign up now!)

[bar...@comcast.net]

Basically according to my cousin now a part time lawyer after retiring from being a judge for about 25 years I have a good case against the guy since he was dumb enough to post some of the comments he did.

The reason I am doing this isn't for financial gain but to get this monkey off my back and to send a message to people who think it is fun to disrupt honest sellers and posters on Craig's List.

Once this guy gets finished with legal fees & court cost he will think twice about doing this to anyone else. This guy has been an on going problem for several of us in the area ever since I got into the pinball hobby so I decided to put an end to it once and for all.

Since it will not cost me anything I figure why not?

[bar...@comcast.net]

I was willing to put up with the flagging for several years but he crossed the line yesterday with his post full of lies & slander. I have had several local pinball guys contact me today saying how sorry they were for me after seeing the post. And thankfully enough of them hit it to get it knocked off in less than 3 hours but I am just not willing to let this one go.

I have been in several hobbies over the years and I have never seen as many bad apples in such a small group as there are in this hobby. Just spend a few minutes on RGP or Pinside and it doesn't take long to see someone bashing someone else for something.

Price police, picking on guys like Lloyd, something negative to say about everything the happens good to someone, etc. It just reminds me of a bunch of grade school kids fighting over a candy bar.

I have made a lot of good friends in the hobby and there are a lot of great people who are enjoying the hobby but a hand full of people like FF who claim they care about the hobby are basically destroying the hobby.

Anyway, I am just doing what I have to do to solve a problem. Agree or disagree with me - that is fine and that isn't what this post was about. I was just trying to figure out a quick way to do something that is going to take a little time and realized it after I cooled off a little.

No one likes being lied about or slandered and yesterday was a really bad day for me. After talking to some pinball friends tonight I feel a lot better but I am not going to roll over on this without a fight.

[Frank Furhter]

So let me get this right, you are going to use another person (maybe a
relative) as your means to fuck someone over that fucked you back, and
it costs you nothing. What about the court system costs, and the costs
to your buddy/pal/cell mate? Seriously, if you just move on, learn from
it as a cheap mistake (it was, considering you could have gone to
college and got a degree in logic and have no hope of employment now).

[G-List Overflow]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:

Suing someone because they posted something mean about you on the internet?

Really?

Yeah, that ALWAYS works.

[bar...@comcast.net]

FF - a family friend is doing me a favor and getting a monkey off my back. That is what families do - they help each other out. As far as court cost - since he will lose he will be paying those not me or my lawyer.

An as far as your other smart remark about college I have two business degrees and studied business law. And if you had a decent education you would know you could be next as far as ending up in court over some of your post but that is your problem not mine!

All I did was try to keep a post up and one guy insisted in constantly flagging me. Then when I put a post up saying "you win - I give up and from now on my customers can find me on eBay" he put a nasty post up slandering me. That shit doesn't sit well with me and I am not letting it go.

It happens here all the time and most people just consider the source and move on but on Craig's List you don't know the source of the lies.

[bar...@comcast.net]

I am done feeding this post. The purpose of this was to see if anyone else has ever had any luck with a number to contact Craig's List not to defend my actions.

I know a lot of people think it is OK to slander someone publicly but I would recommend thinking twice before posting something that is public record.

I don't get into "pissing contest" never have & never will. But I also don't roll over when someone tries to shit on me either - again never have & never will - and I have never lost.

Right is right - Wrong is wrong and Stupid is stupid. Do stupid or wrong stuff and sometimes there is a price to pay! Think first then type - remember everything you type and send can be used against you if someone wants to take the time & trouble.

I am actually shocked no one here has ever taken action against anyone with some of the stuff that gets posted here. But that isn't my problem. Just something everyone should think about before being stupid!

[Frank Furhter]

Its a good thing that slander is a well defined reality in law, and not
some jerkwad's idea of being a wanker.

[flippy]

bar...@comcast.net wrote in
news:d9dd3337-89c7-46f5...@googlegroups.com:

2 points here.

1)Slander = Spoken
Libel = In Print

2) This is a civil matter so your only
recourse is a monetary settlement.
For this you will have to prove damages
which is often very difficult.

Good Luck !! Hope you win.

[Frank Furhter]

Isn't it great this clown has a couple of degrees too? :)

[Royal Guard]

barbsml;2082118 Wrote:
> FF - a family friend is doing me a favor and getting a monkey off my
> back. That is what families do - they help each other out. As far as
> court cost - since he will lose he will be paying those not me or my
> lawyer.
>
> An as far as your other smart remark about college I have two business
> degrees and studied business law. And if you had a decent education you
> would know you could be next as far as ending up in court over some of
> your post but that is your problem not mine!
>
> All I did was try to keep a post up and one guy insisted in constantly
> flagging me. Then when I put a post up saying "you win - I give up and
> from now on my customers can find me on eBay" he put a nasty post up

> slandering me.. That shit doesn't sit well with me and I am not letting

> it go.
>
> It happens here all the time and most people just consider the source
> and move on but on Craig's List you don't know the source of the lies.

Show us the nasty post. Then we can see if YOU have a leg to stand on.


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Royal Guard

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:

I am not posting here to feed the trolls. Lawyer has all that info and he said we have a great case - that is all I need to follow up on this. Talking about stuff - everyone has different ideas of how to handle things and that is all just BS & talk. I don't take that path - I act according to what I need to do but wait to act until my head clears so I am not overreacting in the heat of the moment.

Like I said originally the purpose for this post wasn't to feed the trolls but to see if I could get quick contact number without wasting a lot of time. But lawyer doesn't need that at this point so I am done with this post. Certified Letter will be necessary regardless so that is the path he is taking. I should have just let him handle things but figured I could save him some time if I could get a good phone number.

As far as libel verses slander - thanks for clearing that up using the wrong word is huge problem with something like this - yes I really worry about saying things correctly - NOT - just trying to get my point across quickly.

And as far as what I have to gain - I just want to be able to use Craig's List - if I want - without being harassed or constantly getting flagged.

I don't mind the fees on eBay but people just don't want to understand NO SHIPPING means no shipping and every time I list on Mr Pinball or eBay I get tons of emails asking me to please consider shipping. I just want to sell a few machines here & there locally and eBay isn't the best venue for that from my past experience. Yes I can sell most machines for more money on eBay but it isn't about the money as much as getting machines gone so I can move on to the next project.

As far as Craig's List - All I have ever asked on my Craig's List post is if you have a problem with something I am doing contact me and talk about it. But flagging every post I put up and posting lies about me isn't going to solve anything and I will put an end to that one way or another. Bottom line is no one is going to push me around or lie about me and get away with it and anyone that knows me knows that.

Again - please just let this post die. I didn't get what I needed and that was the whole purpose of this post.

Thanks!

[lwin...@gmail.com]

theres one in every crowd

[Ron, (Boatcat)]

> I don't get into "pissing contest" never have & never will. But I also don't
> roll over when someone tries to shit on me either - again never have &
> never will - and I have never lost.

> It just reminds me of a bunch of grade school kids fighting over a candy bar.

For someone who simply wants to,
"Move on the the next project," you certainly
have had a bad month!
Nope, you'd never engage in a
pissing contest, just the, "He Said, She Said,"
Activity on CL that happens all the time, but
you can't seem to get over it! Come to think
of it, you also couldn't seem to get over FF's
daily meaningless comments on what pinballs
are worth today, you had to "Air" that out here
as well. You even had to whine here about
flippers cashing in on your hard work by
legitimately finding a buyer to willingly pay
more for a product you were happy at one
time to have sold him.
Rather than air out your growing
pains by throwing legal stones while hiding
behind your lawyer, why not reach out and
grab a big bowl of maturity, and move on to
the next project?

[vdojaq]

Are you in the Chicago area? If so, are you the one being accused of
being a pot smoking pinball flipper that buys low and sells
high(literally)?


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vdojaq

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:

Not from Chicago, have no problem with FLIPPERS or anyone else for that matter, doing what I have to do which shouldn't concern anyone but me, have moved on to the next project, don't really care what people think or say but do want to be able to use Craig's List without having to relist every machine 5 or 6 times a day until it sell.

I just don't get why I am the "bad guy" when all I am doing is to try to sell off a few machines from our collection and move on to fixing up different machines.

As far as the Lawyer thing - this is a first for me so I am kind of clueless how that will all work out but that is why I turned it completely over to the lawyer to handle and I am back to enjoying the hobby.

Why I am posting here on this post again - I don't have a clue. Again - this wasn't about anything but trying to get a phone number - please just let it die and move on

[Royal Guard]

barbsml;2082416 Wrote:
> On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar... (AT) comcast (DOT) net

You would have gotten a lot more sympathy from pinside than here on
RGP.
You say all you were looking for is a phone number which you could have
easily got from Google. Instead you started this post and now you don't
want to hear our opinions.


--
Royal Guard

[bar...@comcast.net]

I did go to Google and tried those numbers. I posted here before I had cooled off and realized once I turned it over to the lawyer my work was done. We just asking to see if anyone else ever had any luck with a direct line to a person at Craig's List. Like with eBay published numbers you can find easy are basically worthless.

And I am not looking for sympathy just looking to be able to use Craig's List like a normal person instead of having to fight to keep my listing up because of one or two local jack asses with nothing better to do then talk trash and flag listings.

Problem will be solved - I really have to stop replying to people here because I am getting as bad as the rest of you and keep feeding this point.

PLEASE HEAR what I am saying --- problem is solved, no need for additional comments here. If some of you would have done things differently that is fine and maybe I am being a cry baby or jack ass but after 3 years of being harassed every time I try to post on Craig's List I decided to take the action I should have taken months ago. But until this past week the PITA didn't resort to lies and slander. Once he crossed that line I decided to take some action. End of story!

[Frank Furhter]

You are not in the hobby as a hobbyist, you are a flipper and a
reseller. Hobby based mentality you are not. Legal team, CL listings,
FleeBay, whatever, your online smell is of dirt, and likely charbroiled
as well. Your type is entitlement, somehow you have been done wrong.
CL is shit, it always has been, it was the afterbirth of EPay, and will
have prostitution postings whether in hotels or a hobby like ours. You
my friend are a pinball pimp, and should stand tall and proud with your
feather in hat.

[Frank Furhter]

Once you turned things over to your 'lawyer' (ya, like one actually was
employed for this drama you create) its just beginning. You will work
to pay this clown, and you won't get a dime from someone, or have
listings relisted. CL is shit, it always has been, deal with it. You
don't have an entitlement to listings, or not being flagged. If you
can't sleep in the bed you make, stop making the bed so damned poorly
and wash your sheets occasionally, and most of all clean your act up
(take a shower, so forth...)

[J. Shetler]

I've sort of been watching this unfold with interest, as I search a 4
state area for Craigslist posts in "real time" (RSS feed) which happens
to cover Central Pennsylvania. I think these antagonists are both in the
Carlisle area. I generally prefer to just read the RGP postings, but
finally can say I have a little to add to one. I've seen both sides of
this ongoing argument, and the drama is laughable. First, I want to
unequivocally state I don't agree with EITHER side. They are both idiots
who are cluttering up CL. According to his multitude of CL posts
(verified by his ROYAL GUARD pinball listing talked about here), the
person who started this thread is named Skip. This guy Skip's ads are
always tear jerker stories about how him and his son love to fix up
machines to make the world a better place. I think the problem is that
all his posts finish by insulting every other pinball guy as being a
thief and that only he will treat a buyer or seller right. That kinda
thing is probably getting him flagged. It takes alot of flags to pull
down an ad, so clearly the CL public is not pleased. There are a few
pinball dealers in that area who are paying rent, taxes, business
licenses, collecting sales tax, etc. I'm sure they are probably a little
put off by the insults of a "hobbiest" and flagging this guy down.
Plenty of simple CL ads advertising pinballs without all the sarcasm do
not get flagged in that area, so I think that's the problem. Reading his
posts here over the last few days, I don't think he'd make the list of
beer-drinking buddies for many people. What was up last week was a post
by Skip demanding the CL community leave his ads alone because he had
taken money from people as deposits and had no other way of contacting
them. I guess this is sort of sketchy, but in the end, who cares if it's
not your money. Well idiot number two, that is soon to be on the end of
a lawsuit, posted that's a bad way of doing business and this guy might
be a scammer and to beware. I think that's what sent our friend over the
edge. I don't really think that qualifies as libel, but clearly Skip's
part-time lawyer/cousin does. What I might be worried about if I were
this guy is going to court and proving financial damages to his
"business" (which is how libel is settled) from an ad he himself said
lasted a couple hours at best. You'd really want to be able to show a
business license and proper tax forms with income totals in
chronological order to prove that income was lost after this event.
Without those forms, I would expect a court loss and also that several
state agencies and the IRS would be interested in that "business"
thereafter. Since he says he's too frugal to pay Ebay fees, he's likely
not paying the government. Speaking with my own accountant when I had
considered selling some machines, I learned the IRS will not be
concerned if you sell a machine or two at a profit, but this guy says in
previous posts he sold around 50 in a year. If Uncle Sam didn't get his
cut and this guy is going to tell what he made on a court transcript to
prove losses, look out! In this country today, the last thing you want
to do in any manner is draw attention to yourself; which probably
explains RGPs lower posting numbers (including me). Sad but true. Skip,
I sincerely hope you find your resolution with the situation and more
importantly, learn something from it. Just remember while you two guys
are acting like jerks, the rest of us have to watch.


--
J. Shetler

[Frank Furhter]

Man, if you know that much about someone via the CL postings and
lurking, you my friend are more pathetic than myself. Get a fucking
life, or dry hump your old lady in between your drama episode binges.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
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> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
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>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

J. Shetler

You are 100% correct and this is Skip from Carlisle. To my knowledge I have never said anything negative about the quality of repairs or machines that anyone else sells. And I don't claim to even be good at everything I do when it comes to pinball machines but I do my best to sell good working machines when we do sell machines. And I stand behind what we sell.

My son got me into the hobby about 4 years ago and I have been hooked ever since. I actually don't really like playing pinball but I LOVE fixing them. The problem is simple on our end - you can't keep fixing machines and keep every machine so once the basement was full we had to start selling machines to being able to keep fixing machines.

Our current collection (in our basement) is well over 30 machines and we have pretty much everything we want as far as machines. No "A" list titles and only a few machines that even make it into the top 100 according to IPDB but we are happy.

So now what we do is twice a year we sell off any excess machines we have in order to make room for machines we have purchased. For some reason every time I try to post machines on Craig's List my listings keep getting taken down. I was OK with that - but last week when someone put a post up calling me thief & a cheat and more - that crossed the line for me.

I currently have 5 machines sitting in my garage that I sold and am holding for people - one since March (with NO deposit, nothing but a guy emailing and asking if I would hold it for him till he could find time to make a 10 hour drive to come get it). I have another machine paid for in full and 3 others again being held for over a month (no deposit - no nothing).

Anyway - I tell my customers just email me from my Craig's List listing when you want to come get the machine and it will be here for you. I wasn't 100% sure everyone had other contact info for me so I kept a listing up with one or two machines for sale and flaggers kept attacking it up to 6 or 8 times a day. I want to be working on machines and enjoying retirement not sitting here having to relist on Craig's List. So all I ever asked and if you read my post you will know this is: "if you have an issue with me come talk to me or email me"

This is truly a hobby for my son & I and there are several people here on RGP that know me personally and know this. I don't want them to reply and defend me because this is my fight but I can tell you I know a good many of the pinball guys in the area and got 3 phone calls after that nasty post was put up telling me "I had to go after the jackass that put that shit up". So for now all I will say is what ever happens is up to my lawyer.

As far as not wanting to report pinball income and the IRS end of things I keep records of everything and pay all necessary taxes. I have been in some type of business for over 40 years, have been though tax audits and IRS owed me money when they we done so I do pay my fair share. The thing with the IRS end of things is they will not like the pinball hobby if they try to call it a business because last year I lost about $5000 doing this pinball thing once I deduct the mileage & expenses so it isn't a great money maker on our end.

I use Craig's List as my selling venue because I want to keep machines I sell local. Every time I try Mr Pinball or eBay people want me to ship and I just don't want to deal with that. Plus I want my customers to come see and play the machine they are buying before giving me a dime. The only reason I have one machine sitting here paid for is the buyer bought two machines and only one was 100% (the other got hit with a voltage surge the night before he was coming to pick them up and we had an issue with the MPU). And for anyone in the area it was that Thursday night when half of Carlisle was without power for 8 or 10 hours.

Anyway, all I ever ask of anyone is if you have an issue with me contact me and lets work it out. And here on RGP - I don't ask for anything other than to at least fully understand the true story before jumping on me about my ethics or character. If you want to say I am in the pinball business I have to say it is the worst business I have ever been involved in as far as profit or dollar per hour earnings. If you want to say I am in the hobby and out of control I am sure there are several local pinball guys I am freinds with that would agree and I can't even argue that.

If anyone is local and want to stop by and talk I love hanging out with pinball guys. This is truly a hobby for my son and I and I have enjoyed pretty much every part of the hobby except for all the negativity from a few people. But we are about 30 machine or 8 months away from moving on. Once my storage unit is empty I'll pretty much be done buying and selling machines because we have what we wanted - we have a nice gameroom and that was the plan from day one.

In fact on of my good pinball friends was here last week dropping off some parts and picking up other parts and I had that same conversation with him before any of this shit started.

If I made any spelling mistakes I am sorry - I type with two fingers and even suck at that. My mom told me to learn how to type when I was a kid and I guess I should have done what mom said!

[Frank Furhter]

I call bullshit on this one, and it is. If you have customers, then you
don't have a hobby but a business. You my friend are full of it.
Keep all the records you want, you are a business if you have customers.
IRS doesn't need to see a thing after you claim you have customers.

[J. Shetler]

Hello Skip; interesting to read your post. I have to say that your tone
has changed immediately since we all now know who we are talking to. You
seem to have settled down considerably. So here is the situation. Let me
tell you flatly (since you asked); you need to be more civil in your
posts if you expect to make CL the foundation of your business. I
collect 40s-50s machines which turn up far less, so I have to watch the
CL RSS feed. Pinball and arcade posts are coming in all the time. You
seem to be the only one having such a flagging problem in that area. I
think if it were me I'd have to consider my own posts as part of the
problem. I have seen both your numerous posts and the one from the other
dude.... and while I don't entirely agree with his logic to exacerbate
things, he makes a somewhat valid point. It would seem odd to any
reasonable person that you would take someones money or finalize a deal
without exchanging basic contact info. CL is no one's personal address
book. Whether you are aware or not, many of your posts genuinely do have
a snarky undertone where you get a dig in at other pin guys. There is
such a thing as salesmanship, but when you tell the public (as you have)
that other guys are swindling them and "you pay more, sell for less, and
they're all thieves" you are no better than the man you want to take to
court. It simply does not paint you in a flattering light. Might I
suggest toning it down a bit? I have done business with many guys up in
your area, and there are alot of them! You are all in pretty close
quarters, so some civility may be required. I think you have to agree
you have not made a whole lot of new friends with your previous
post-starting topics. You may be the nicest guy on the block, but you
need to work a little harder at getting that "pinball goodwill" to come
across. I am glad to hear for your sake that your books and licensing
are in order. You will need it for an impending trial. Be aware that
most states have an "abuse of process" law regarding frivolous lawsuits.
Since you are saying you don't make any money anyhow in pinball, you
will have a tough case to prove. How will you prove financial damage for
a couple hour ad? Pain and suffering? Nope. The law requires you to have
suffered a monetary loss. We still honor the first amendment in the USA
and people are entitled to speak their opinions. You can't sue everyone
with whom you don't agree. People are still allowed to have an
unflattering opinion of others and share it (within reason). I don't
remember the ad verbatim, but it didn't seem to me to have "crossed the
line" any more than some of yours. I think you have probably gotten the
impression from most of the guys here that you have a weak case at best.
I would have to agree. Just be sure not to put yourself in financial
jeopardy, as it's likely you will be required to pay for the court costs
as well as the legal representation of the defendant if you lose. I
think Pennsylvania calls it "abuse of process" or the Dragonetti Act (no
kidding, look it up). There was just an local article about this issue;
too many people clogging the courts instead of acting like adults and
settling things respectfully. Your lawyer cousin should be advising you
of this. Having a business law degree as you purport, you should know
this already. As much as your buddies are eggin' you on to get this guy,
will they be there to help with the legal tab when it goes sour? Anyhow,
good luck to you; hope you consider some of the things above, and also
find some peace of mind.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

FF,

Call it what ever you want - if it makes you feel better I'm in business - what difference does that make? The only difference it makes in my eyes is I would be stupid to be in the pinball business because there is no money in it. Or at least I have never found a way to make any money at it. But thankfully money is not my purpose for buying and selling machines - I just enjoy bringing them back from the dead. I know if I wasn't retired I sure as hell couldn't keep food on the table doing it.

Bottom line is I don't know what else to call someone who buys something. A customer is what I have always call someone who buys something from me - is there another term you would like to see me use? I could use friend because most people who have bought from me have become long term friends but I didn't know any of them before I sold them a machine and that is another reason I like to sell locally.

And FF if you are in this area - stop by and hang out some day. I don't have an issue with you or anyone else. And if I do meet you in person I would never tell anyone who you are because in my eyes that isn't anyone's business anyway. It is kind of fun having you around but sometimes you do go a little to far. What I don't understand is how you have time for anything else as much as you post here. But again - not my problem!

And the invite is for anyone on RGP that travels through the area or lives in the area. I live about a mile off I-81 in Carlisle, PA if anyone is passing by.

I have been having a blast with these machines and I am sad to see it coming to an end but life is calling me in other directions soon so this pinball thing is winding down and will be over soon except for our basement collection.

And if anyone wants to buy a storage unit full of early 1980's machines it could end sooner rather than later but I hate to just part all of them out. So I have only two other choices sell them as-is or fix them and sell them.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

J. Shetler,

First off I will say that I am like anyone else if you poke at me enough I will fight back. All I have ever asked on Craig's List, here on RGP, or on Pinside is if you have an issue with me contact me and talk about it. Don't accuse me of being something or someone I am not without knowing me. And don't say I am in the pinball hobby as a business when it isn't why I am in the hobby. (And to make it clear - this isn't directed at you personally but I am just saying what bugs me that people keep doing to me.)

Within 6 months of being in the hobby I realized the only way to make serious money with pinball machines is to part them out but I can't bring myself to part a machine out unless it is far beyond saving. So if I was in the "pinball business" I wouldn't be selling machines I would make every one I didn't want to keep into parts.

As far as "paying more for machines and selling cheaper" both are pretty much fact and from the people I know in the hobby I normally pay more and sell for less than most of them. But I do agree maybe I keep fueling the fire on Craig's List but I just get sick & tired of wasting my time having to post over & over again. So the more I get flagged the more aggressive I tend to get.

And as far as my "wanted ad" from time to time I do say "contact me last and see if I don't pay more than anyone in the area" but I really don't see a problem with that. If I am not paying more I couldn't say that and still be buying as many machines as I have over the past 4 years. But again I don't use that in my normal wanted ad - I just put that in after I have been flagged more than a couple times in a day when I start getting pissed at having to type ads over & over again.

Bottom line is a couple people in the area have a bug up their ass about me buying & selling machines and I would love to know who they are and have a chance to talk to the personally. I know a lot of guys have been in the hobby much longer than I have and some of them feel as though I am stepping on their toes or what ever. That has never been my intent. Since day one - I got into the hobby with my son to build a nice collection of machines and than I have always planned to just move on. That time is getting near.

As far as the legal stuff at this point I'll let the lawyer figure that out. Now that he has all the info it will be totally his call how to handle that end of things.

And something personally for J. Shetler if you happen to get up this way please let me know and try to stop by. I have an old 1950's EM parts machine you might want sitting in my storage unit. Normally I don't mess with pre 1970's stuff but it was part of a package deal and you might be able to use it for parts. Again - I hate to part it out when I really don't need those parts anyway because I don't work on the earlier machines. The last early machine I had went to the guy that runs the Museum in Baltimore before he closed it. (I know his name but also know I might mess up the spelling so I will not even try.)

Anyway - again sorry to all that this post keeps dragging on but I really don't want to be looked at as the bad guy here. All I have ever wanted was to help my son build a nice collection and he has accomplished that. So my days in the pinball hobby are numbered.

[Frank Furhter]

If life is calling you sooner than later, make it sooner.
Life is not pinball, never has been nor should it be.
Talk to GaryCo and others that have the 'bug' and have done nothing but
pinball. Their lives are as shattered and incomplete as it gets.
But that is an outsider looking inwards through the distorted fish eye
reflection of a shiney 1.xx inch ball bearing.

[Craig Tiano]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT), bar...@comcast.net wrote:

>Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.

Craigslist does not respond to ad-hoc inquiries. Your attorney will
need to file suit against a "John Doe" defendent, and then issue a
discovery request to Craigslist. They will then provide you the IP
address and email address of the poster. From there, you'll need to
contact the ISP to see who the user is by using another discovery
request using the IP address and perhaps the email address. Be aware,
however, that you may reach that point and find the "user" came
through on an open wifi point and is using a free email service. At
that point, you can't identify the user and you're done. You can also
run into a brick wall if the user used an anonymizing proxy, is
posting from outside the US, or who has an ISP who rotates IP address
with no log who has them at any time.

Contrary to popular belief, people have successfully sued for libel
posted on the internet. But, for every one who was successful, another
million or so were not.

Craig

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>

> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

Craig,

Like I said originally - I don't claim to know a lot about the process but that is up to my attorney. Now that he is handling that part of things I'll just wait and see what happens. I kind of doubt this guy has gone to great length to hide who he is he just doesn't seem that smart. But if that is the case it has cost me nothing to try and I'll feel better knowing I at least tried.

Hopefully I can get to the bottom of it because not only does he keep hitting my listing he keeps getting friends of mine also (just not as often). You can rest assured if I find out who it is everyone in the area I know will know and they can each deal with him in their own way. I don't roll over and play dead I fight to the death so I'll do my best to flush this guy out one way or another and get this fixed.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

FF,

You are 100% correct. Way to many people in this hobby are addicted to it and their entire life revolves around these little silver balls. That isn't the case with us. To us it has always been a hobby filling in spare time with something we have enjoyed. But once you have a nice collection and machines are fixed up as nice as possible there is no need to keep feeding the habit. That is why we can't buy into the - have to have "A" list titles to enjoy the hobby.

We will never pay over $2000 for a pinball machine (it just doesn't make any sense) and most of our machines have been under $500. You don't need MM. RFM,MB,SS,etc to enjoy the hobby and I don't buy into all the hype about those machines. You can have just as much if not more fun with a few $500 beaters and if someone spills their beer on one who cares!

Way to many people in the hobby follow the hype instead of buying what they like. One of my favorite machines is Waterworld and it isn't even on the top 300 list. But this is an entirely different subject.

Anyway - thanks to all and keep enjoying those silver balls!

[ldnayman]

Every last one of you douchebags has slandered, libeled, and generally
irritated me in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm suing ALL OF YOU FUCKERS!!! You can expect to hear from
my army of lawyers shortly.

I cannot wait for this trial.

"We call Balls of Steel to the stand. Balls - if that is your real
name - did you, or did you not call MedivialRadness and Mr. Tilt a
"fucktard" on or around June 12, 2012? And if so, can you present any
evidence that they ARE fucktards?"

"Your honor, I OBJECT! Clearly, ILuvBally is enaging in hearsay!"

Move over OJ. We have a new trial of the century!

[G-List Overflow]

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:54:17 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> And if anyone wants to buy a storage unit full of early 1980's machines it could end sooner rather than later but I hate to just part all of them out. So I have only two other choices sell them as-is or fix them and sell them.

If you've got a shed full of sub $500 early 80's projects, post them up and I'll come get some.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

G List Overflow,

I had 20 project machines posted on eBay a few weeks back for $4999 opening bid and I also have a lot of 5 machines on Craig's List right now for $1200. I might try listing another group of machines shortly but with the constant Craig's List flagging I stepped it back some for now.

Anything specific you are looking for? Are you interested in a group of machines or just a couple, etc. We have what we wanted out of these so one way or another the rest just need to go for about what I have invested in them. If I don't get them sold by Fall most will be parted out and parts listed on eBay this Winter. if you are not too far away - come see me one day!

My first choice would be to sell the entire storage unit full but if I can't get it done that way I would love to just sell some or all of them off as projects at this point. Selling them as a lot the average price will be about $275 per machine for the machines worth fixing.

There is still some pretty decent stuff in that unit but I did pull a few machines and fix & sell them already. I don't pick & chose I just grab what is close to the door as my next project knowing I need to do all of them at some point.

We love fixing up machines but selling them just becomes too much drama between Craig's List flaggers & eBay customers wanting things shipped all over the world. Plus I have other family obligations right now so I really don't need a storage unit full of machines sitting.

[William Brower]

"And as far as my "wanted ad" from time to time I do say "contact me last and see if I don't pay more than anyone in the area" but I really don't see a problem with that. If I am not paying more I couldn't say that and still be buying as many machines as I have over the past 4 years. But again I don't use that in my normal wanted ad - I just put that in after I have been flagged more than a couple times in a day when I start getting pissed at having to type ads over & over again."

This is where most collectors might have a problem. You might as well sue me too, for I too flag all "want to buy pinball" ads here in Jersey. I feel that there are plenty of for sale ads giving all the collectors the same chance to score a pin. Having an leg up on 90 year old Mrs. Maginsky's late husband's wedgehead collection in my eyes is not fare to other collectors. Plus you are mis-using craig's list by doing so.
Bill

[William Brower]

Also I would like to add that it takes more than one person to flag an ad
Bill

[Albert Decker]

Any EM's in that container?? I'm only a little over 2 hrs from Carlile (run to car shows there once or twice a year) in Jersey and would be willing to run by for a decent priced machine.

I'm and Electrical Engineer and spend all day on computers and working with solid state logic.

EM is where I want to play. I love following the incredibly complicated analog computer logic.

It's amazing how smart these folks that designed an EM were.

And I only wish I was that smart and clever.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

William,

So I guess the guy running newpaper ads for pinball wanted is wrong also?

The crazy thing is first off I rarely run a wanted ads and I only do that after my for sale ads keep getting flagged 6 or 8 times a day just to kind of fuel the fire with who ever keeps flagging my for sale ads. And as far as taking more than one flagger I don't doubt it is one guy with several Craig's List accounts.

And I would never waste my time with the lawyer if it was just about the flagging but when the guy put a post up on Craig's List attacking my character, called me a thief called my business practices shady, and said I sold "junk and was overpriced" then "buyers be ware" he crossed the line in my eyes.

I have over 40,000 feedbacks on eBay (different business) a 5 star rating across the board, 100% feedback rating, have been in business for over 40 years with no one ever complaining to me about anything I have ever done or sold and then someone slanders my character - that doesn't set well with me.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

Albert,

Only one EM and that is one with a broken backglass so not worth the drive.

As far as what you said about the engineering in an EM it is absolutely amazing what an EM does with just a series of switches on contacts. Basically mechanical computers and I love working on them for that reason.

Everything about pinball machines amazes me from the art to the number of different layouts on just 6 sq ft of playfield, to the electronics, to the programming. Until you actually step back and take a hard look at one of these machines you just don't realize how much was involved in building and designing one.

[Frank Furhter]

You really wait and see the bill... :) You my friend are burning money
for no reward, and that makes you as stupid as your original post is,
does, and will be. Move on, its what you voted for...

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

FF - I have missed you. Where have you been hiding?

Like I said originally zero cost just calling in a favor if it works out. And if not at least I'll know who the SOB is and be able to deal with in in my own way but court would likely be the better direction.

I have a lot of local guys who would love to know who keeps wasting all of our time with the unnecessary flagging and once I know who it is I'll be sure everyone I know in the hobby also quietly knows who is causing all the trouble here in Central PA.

[vdojaq]

Shit...I guess I am getting sued....WTF?!?


--
vdojaq

[Player 3]

William Brower has a point...I wish I knew who the guy was that bought
the Lionel Train set-up from my Mother, that belonged to me and my
Brother, that died at 10 years old..... It was a very extensive layout
to say the least....My Mother wanted my nephews to have the trains,
buuuut when my brother-in-law didn't come fast enough to pick them up,
she called the guy advertising "Lionel Trains wanted, best price paid"
She sold the whole deal for $50.00....Needless to say...I would beat the
living "Dog Shit" out of this "man"....Not saying this poster is like
what I described, buuuuut this kind of "ABUSE" happens all the
time....AGAIN...Not saying this poster, ready to bring lawsuit would act
in this manner....But William Brower has a good point...R. Stowe:(


--
Player 3

[Wedgehead Killer]

CL not working? It's free BTW. Why not post all your shit on here with photo bucket? I got another crazy idea. YORK PA is nearby , rent a RYDER truck Columbus Day week-end and hit a large target audience. My guess is that 25% would be pre-sold If priced low enough. Some of these buyers requesting trans just might flock to your projects if they were getting multiple games.

Lamenting over a CL troll (s) would be a waste of time for me, as would dragging this situation on a public forum. Me, I'd hire a geek to find the prick and find out whom you're dealing with before ever setting a foot in court. If he is truly an asshole then proceed with a chosen coarse action for your peace of mind.

I agree with most on here. Guys posting WTB pinball on CL fuck things up . Wanna see a mess, check out LI and search for pinball in all for sale/wanted. There is a shit ton of ads and it is cluttered with garbage ads trying to pry games from grieving widows. Like Rodney Dangerfeld said "keep it fair, keep it fair"

JMFO

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

We had planned to take the load of machines to Allentown this Spring but life got in the way so we didn't make that show. We will be at York but I would like to get that storage unit empty before that to save some storage fees.

As far as "wanted ads" Craig's List does have Wanted Ad section as part of their selection so I see no problem using that. But I don't like people taking advantage of someone else regardless of how they make contact.

When I buy I try to pay fair prices for condition of machines I buy but being very honest in 4 years I have been in the hobby I can count on one hand how many machines have come from my wanted ads anywhere and I think I have only ended up with two machines from one person from wanted ads on Craig's List. To me wanted on Craig's List is a huge waste of time.

[ldnayman]

So how is the lawsuit going anyway?

You should all be getting your summons in the mail on my "fucktard"
lawsuit very soon. By the time is this over I'm gonna OWN RGP and all
of you bitches.

[Frank Furhter]

The last statement is so true, and get used to it. The collectors are
all dropping off dead. The other true long term collectors are already
with games so mass in number they can't or don't want that type of
commitment and the market is soft. Pins are just not selling. We are
at the top of the hump, both in consumptive model allowed, and as
collectors want more (they want less). Its going to be a mess soon, if
not already.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

Indayman,

I'll let you know in about 6 months. That is about how long the process should take just to get info. from Craig's List and than track down the user or users involved. The legal process isn't fast - more like hurry up and wait - but such is life!

I'll be sure to let everyone I know in the hobby who has been creating all the issues on Craig's List in our area once I find that out and that is my main purpose heading in this direction anyway. But I can't just call Craig's List and ask who is putting up nasty post about me and who keeps flagging my ads. So I am going through the legal system to get those answers.

[The Hammer]

in article b7631e97-7685-4ffd...@googlegroups.com,
bar...@comcast.net at bar...@comcast.net wrote on 6/14/13 7:13 PM:

> I was willing to put up with the flagging for several years but he crossed the
> line yesterday with his post full of lies & slander. I have had several local
> pinball guys contact me today saying how sorry they were for me after seeing
> the post. And thankfully enough of them hit it to get it knocked off in less
> than 3 hours but I am just not willing to let this one go.
>
> I have been in several hobbies over the years and I have never seen as many
> bad apples in such a small group as there are in this hobby. Just spend a few
> minutes on RGP or Pinside and it doesn't take long to see someone bashing
> someone else for something.
>
> Price police, picking on guys like Lloyd, something negative to say about
> everything the happens good to someone, etc. It just reminds me of a bunch of
> grade school kids fighting over a candy bar.
>
> I have made a lot of good friends in the hobby and there are a lot of great
> people who are enjoying the hobby but a hand full of people like FF who claim
> they care about the hobby are basically destroying the hobby.
>
> Anyway, I am just doing what I have to do to solve a problem. Agree or
> disagree with me - that is fine and that isn't what this post was about. I
> was just trying to figure out a quick way to do something that is going to
> take a little time and realized it after I cooled off a little.
>
> No one likes being lied about or slandered and yesterday was a really bad day
> for me. After talking to some pinball friends tonight I feel a lot better but
> I am not going to roll over on this without a fight.

I hope you shut him down and send a message to the bully. No one deserves
to be treated like that.

I have been off RGP for months and was not aware that Lloyd was abused here.
He is one of the true great heroes in this hobby and it is a shame that it
happened.

I don't know that there are more bad apples in this hobby than any other.
Unfortunately, the Internet is giving them an unchecked voice, and these bad
apples are floating to the top, often egged on by others. Hopefully, your
action will act as a check and force people to be responsible for their
actions.

I was slandered by a person I thought was my friend, at a public meeting in
a small town. I decided not to respond, figuring that people who knew me
would know it was not true, and that people would eventually figure out the
slanderer is an evil person. That is slowly happening, but I do regret not
fighting back.

Let us know how it goes. Best of luck to you.

[Ron, (Boatcat)]

> I don't know that there are more bad apples in this hobby than
> any other.

The above captioned statement IMO
says it all. Once a hobby takes off and
interest gains momentum, greed always sets
in. After a while, it's usually pretty easy to
distinguish what kind of, "Apple," you're
dealing with.

[bar...@comcast.net]

On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-4, bar...@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone ever had any luck getting info from the Craig's List company itself? I have been having a huge issue with someone flagging my ads recently but yesterday they resorted to putting a negative post up about me and I talked to my attorney today about going after the poster for slander.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to contact Craig's list and all I ever get back a canned reply which does me no good. I need to get the posters information sent to my attorney so he can start the process and I am trying to move on this quickly.
>
>
>
> Normally it wouldn't bug me as much but it has been a shitty couple months for me and now I have someone trash talking me on a public forum. Attorney has review his post and is ready to take action if I can get info I need to proceed.
>
>
>
> I just don't get it with some people. Don't they have anything better to do? I was thinking maybe it is FF moving on to different venues to get more love!

I think part of what is a shame on my end of things is I'll probably be more or less out of the hobby by the time this all gets sorted out anyway. Nothing to do with anyone's actions just our pre-planned long term plan before and of this stuff ever started.

Originally my son (who my wife & I live with in his In-Law quarters) asked what I thought about doing a gameroom in the basement. I originally told him I thought it would be a great idea and the only rule I would have is that we learn how to fix machines. I figured if we were going to have several of them I didn't want to be spending a ton of money on repairs by paying someone to keep coming out to fix machines for us.

Anyway, I discovered I love working on these machines so we got into it much deeper than expected. But now his priorities have changed and I'll have mother & father in law issues to get taken care of so we are getting away from the hobby at least for now.

We did accomplish our original goal and have a good bunch of nice pinball machines in our collection (most will be staying) but we no longer have the drive or interest to be fixing up a machine every week or two. And we just don't have time for that anyway so time to move on.

Anyway, anyone I know in the area will know who has been causing all our Craig's List issues pretty much as soon as my attorney gets to the bottom of it. Then each of them can take what ever action they would like against the couple of trouble makers here in central PA.