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AWESOME: Sony 100W powered sub........$107.00 Makes your pins rattle the foundation !
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Gerry
Dec 23, 2011, 12:11:17 AM12/23/11
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This thing is KILLER ! 15 minute install, and the sound is
incredible......
Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire
out the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right channel....turn
it on and WOOF......
be prepared for the cops to come......
it drives the games factory amp up a bit, so the BB speakers come
alive as well......
it dosent get any easier than this.....
and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor, under
the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other part
of the game......
incredible......
Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire
out the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right channel....turn
it on and WOOF......
be prepared for the cops to come......
it drives the games factory amp up a bit, so the BB speakers come
alive as well......
it dosent get any easier than this.....
and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor, under
the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other part
of the game......
Gerry
Dec 23, 2011, 12:13:02 AM12/23/11
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volume on the game still controlls the over all volume of the sub as
well..... :)
Pinster68
Dec 23, 2011, 5:29:14 AM12/23/11
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Gerry;1847177 Wrote:
> On Dec 23, 12:11*am, Gerry <hotkloc... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > This thing is KILLER *! * *15 minute install, and the sound is
> > incredible......
> >
> > Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
> > speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire
> > out the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right
> channel....turn
> > it on and WOOF......
> >
> > be prepared for the cops to come......
> >
> > it drives the games factory *amp up a bit, *so the BB speakers come
> >
> > Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
> > speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire
> > out the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right
> channel....turn
> > it on and WOOF......
> >
> > be prepared for the cops to come......
> >
> > alive as well......
> >
> > it dosent get any easier than this.....
> >
> > and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
> > install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor, under
> > the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other
> part
> > of the game......
>
> Oh and by the way...you turn the sub all the way up...the factory
> volume on the game still controlls the over all volume of the sub as
> well..... :)
Saw this option for $75
> >
> > it dosent get any easier than this.....
> >
> > and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
> > install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor, under
> > the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other
> part
> > of the game......
>
> Oh and by the way...you turn the sub all the way up...the factory
> volume on the game still controlls the over all volume of the sub as
> well..... :)
http://tinyurl.com/3ld24rl
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KD
Dec 23, 2011, 5:35:37 AM12/23/11
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addamb
Dec 23, 2011, 7:47:28 AM12/23/11
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Awesome Gerry!!! Thanks for the update!!
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addamb
Nerbflong
Dec 23, 2011, 8:12:53 AM12/23/11
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I've been putting subs under my pins for years. Very easy to do and
cheap if you pick them up at garage sales! Once for fun I had a Sunfire
10" under Theatre of Magic. Wow, talk about some house shaking bass!
When the magnets kicked in for the sidelane save the game does a great
lower bass note and shakes the place!
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paragon66x
Dec 23, 2011, 11:06:37 AM12/23/11
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I used to have a sub hooked up to my JD - loved it, but was always
concerend I was putting undo stress on the game. Does anyone happen
to know if there are any problems with doing this?
concerend I was putting undo stress on the game. Does anyone happen
to know if there are any problems with doing this?
Hooked
Dec 23, 2011, 11:30:28 AM12/23/11
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Gerry
Dec 23, 2011, 1:35:32 PM12/23/11
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door
This is a good deal at $80 with free shipping... !
metallik
Dec 23, 2011, 1:58:53 PM12/23/11
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> and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
> install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor, under
> the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other part
> of the game......
This is actually a bad aspect of external subs IMHO. I have a 200w
> install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor, under
> the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other part
> of the game......
Polk sub (got it during a shellshocker) sitting under MB, and it
really brings out the bass, but it doesn't double as a shaker motor
like the sub in my AFM that's actually bolted to the cabinet. It's
weird to only hear the music and not feel it. That said, you can't
beat the ease of install.
Also, these won't hurt the game. If anything, they reduce the load on
the game's amp circuits. You turn the game up less to get the same
amount of sound because the sub's amp is working as well. With the
power-booster mods I do, the game's amps run cool because the booster
does all the amplification - it just uses the game's output for an
audio signal.
Gerry
Dec 23, 2011, 1:39:56 PM12/23/11
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signal from the game amp...
and as i said before..it is still controlled buy your stock game
volume pots or switchs.....
TheKorn
Dec 23, 2011, 2:28:29 PM12/23/11
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Gerry;1847175 Wrote:
> Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
> speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire out
> the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right channel....turn
> it on and WOOF......
depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that have
all the speakers wired in series from the factory. (BoP, BR, DW,
etc...)
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TheKorn
machine.slave
Dec 23, 2011, 2:33:01 PM12/23/11
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You know.. I recently took the amp and sub out of my car and have it
hooked up to my stereo in the basement at home. Would this method
work for my Iron Man?
hooked up to my stereo in the basement at home. Would this method
work for my Iron Man?
TheKorn
Dec 23, 2011, 2:32:27 PM12/23/11
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Electrical stress? Since the sub has its own power supply and
amplifier, the net load on the machine is going to be less. Should
theoretically generate less heat, but I've found this varies a lot from
game to game (and in particular, to which generation sound board you're
talking about).
Physical stress? Let's just say if I can get away with what I do for so
long and have relatively few (*almost* none, but not quite) side effects
from it, you'll be *FINE*! :)
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Gerry
Dec 23, 2011, 5:27:26 PM12/23/11
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shipping........am ordering 4 more.. :)
check pinster68's post in this thread, and look at the other's link....
Gerry
Dec 23, 2011, 6:08:36 PM12/23/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Just did Amazon, and got 2 used ones, high 60's and 2 new ones, 79
each..299.38 for all 4....so its like getting 1 for free, compared to
Best Buy....
The next pin party is gonna ROCK even more....LOL
TheKorn
Dec 23, 2011, 11:18:15 PM12/23/11
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machine.slave
Dec 23, 2011, 11:51:05 PM12/23/11
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Sweeeeet.. thanks, Korn man :D
I was worried I'd be stressing some components
I was worried I'd be stressing some components
Gerry
Dec 24, 2011, 9:57:22 PM12/24/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, go 2 more subs today....they actualy arrived on time.....
> - Show quoted text -
Hooked it up to the DH.....the thing is sick on the DCS
system...WOW...
Its really good on my Goldeneye, but not as beefy compared to the
others..Genesis, AB,
DH....still really good just not quite as much ass as i had hoped, at
lower volumes........maybe Sega's game amp is a bit weaker or
something....
At a normal volume it is a bit flat, but turn it up a bit and it
drives everything harder..then the GE comes alive ...
the DCS on DH, seems super full at any volume now......
I think its becase there is alot of mid in the sound trackon
GE.....there are times it comes alive on the bottom, but i wish it was
a bit thicker on GE...
there is a frequency cut knob on the back next to the volumeon the
sub, and i have found that all 4 pins need that adjusted a bit
different to get the butter zone right.....it only takes a couple of
minutes to dial in.....
The Capcom Airborne had the suckiest sound off all the pins in the
line up in stock form...but now DH and AB are neck and neck...
i am really liking this set up more than the replacement
kits........and it a lot cheaper.....and its just a fatter tone all
around
easy to install and uninstall...bring your next pin in the house 10
minuts later, blow the paint off the walls. :)
Pinster68
Dec 24, 2011, 11:07:15 PM12/24/11
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Gerry;1848336 Wrote:
> On Dec 23, 12:13*am, Gerry <hotkloc... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > On Dec 23, 12:11*am, Gerry <hotkloc... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > This thing is KILLER *! * *15 minute install, and the sound is
> > > incredible......
> >
> > > Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
> > > speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire
> > > out the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right
> channel....turn
> > > it on and WOOF......
> >
> > > be prepared for the cops to come......
> >
> > > it drives the games factory *amp up a bit, *so the BB speakers come
> >
> > > Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
> > > speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire
> > > out the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right
> channel....turn
> > > it on and WOOF......
> >
> > > be prepared for the cops to come......
> >
> > > alive as well......
> >
> > > it dosent get any easier than this.....
> >
> > > and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
> > > install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor,
> under
> > > the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other
> part
> > > of the game......
> >
> > Oh and by the way...you turn the sub all the way up...the factory
> > volume on the game still controlls the over all volume of the sub as
> > well..... * :)- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > it dosent get any easier than this.....
> >
> > > and it does not shake the game apart as do some of the sub kits you
> > > install in the cab...likw FF and PP....the sub is on the floor,
> under
> > > the pin.....it shakes the house not your back glass, or any other
> part
> > > of the game......
> >
> > Oh and by the way...you turn the sub all the way up...the factory
> > volume on the game still controlls the over all volume of the sub as
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Pinster68
Gerry
Dec 24, 2011, 11:23:24 PM12/24/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
The Sony SA-W2500....got 8 of them.......i got 4 of them at Best Buy,
> - Show quoted text -
$107.00.....and the rest i ordered off Amazon.....$79.00 shipped....
lot of sound system for a little money...
Dont get me wrong they brought Goldeneye to life, but i am thinking
Segas arent as powerfull as other manufacturers... it still is full
and amazing but just a notch under the other titles...
but if that is true, then i think a sub kit from FF or PP would give
an equal result.......it is what it is...
or maybe it is the just the sound trac in GE that doesnt push as much
bass.....another Sega sound track may act differently....
When i get the other 4 subs in, i will be hooking one into the Apollo
13..we will see how that goes ...then i will have an answer to this
question...
should know by next thursday....
gaspumprob
Dec 24, 2011, 11:31:35 PM12/24/11
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I was doing this also years ago instead of buying the pp kits and it
worked out really well for me. Problem though it did not work on the
pinball 2000 system for me. I hooked one up to my revenge and when I
powered up the game I lost all sound instantly. Freaked me out I thought
I blew up something in the micoprocesser or something. Anyway I
feverishley put everthing back to stock and powered the game back up and
the sound came back.
Has anyone out there tried this on a pinball 2000 that could walk me
through doing this correctly on that system?? That game would be awesome
with more bass.
Rob
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gaspumprob
Gerry
Dec 24, 2011, 11:41:58 PM12/24/11
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floor under the game.....aligator clips to the cab woofer, run them
out the bottom of the cab, then into the back of the power sub.....is
this what you were doing, or are we not on the same page?
another guy was talking about car audio stuff earlier in the thread
here......just wanna make sure we are talking about the same stuff
here.....
Gerry
gaspumprob
Dec 25, 2011, 12:10:12 AM12/25/11
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Gerry;1848384 Wrote:
> On Dec 24, 11:31*pm, gaspumprob <gaspump... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> wrote:
> > I was doing this also years ago instead of buying the pp kits and it
> > worked out really well for me. Problem though it did not work on the
> > pinball 2000 system for me. I hooked one up to my revenge and when I
> > powered up the game I lost all sound instantly. Freaked me out I
> thought
> > I blew up something in the micoprocesser or something. Anyway I
> > feverishley put everthing back to stock and powered the game back up
> and
> > the sound came back.
> > Has anyone out there tried this on a pinball 2000 that could walk me
> > through doing this correctly on that system?? That game would be
> awesome
> > with more bass.
> > Rob
> >
> > --
> >
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> > I was doing this also years ago instead of buying the pp kits and it
> > worked out really well for me. Problem though it did not work on the
> > pinball 2000 system for me. I hooked one up to my revenge and when I
> > powered up the game I lost all sound instantly. Freaked me out I
> thought
> > I blew up something in the micoprocesser or something. Anyway I
> > feverishley put everthing back to stock and powered the game back up
> and
> > the sound came back.
> > Has anyone out there tried this on a pinball 2000 that could walk me
> > through doing this correctly on that system?? That game would be
> awesome
> > with more bass.
> > Rob
> >
> > --
> >
>
> Rob..this is a totaly seperate box..a powered sub....that sits on the
> floor under the game.....aligator clips to the cab woofer, run them
> out the bottom of the cab, then into the back of the power sub.....is
> this what you were doing, or are we not on the same page?
>
> another guy was talking about car audio stuff earlier in the thread
> here......just wanna make sure we are talking about the same stuff
> here.....
>
> Gerry
Gerry,
> Rob..this is a totaly seperate box..a powered sub....that sits on the
> floor under the game.....aligator clips to the cab woofer, run them
> out the bottom of the cab, then into the back of the power sub.....is
> this what you were doing, or are we not on the same page?
>
> another guy was talking about car audio stuff earlier in the thread
> here......just wanna make sure we are talking about the same stuff
> here.....
>
> Gerry
Sorry for the confusion, I was using a car subwolfer cannon mounted to
the bottom of the cabinet powered from the pinball 12 volt section of
the powersupply. I think your sony setup might work just fine on the
pinball 2000 system but was wondering if anyone has tryed it on that
type of game.
Thx,
Gerry
Dec 25, 2011, 12:22:30 AM12/25/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Gotcha ...cant help ya on that one.... this sony set up can be NO
> - Show quoted text -
easier..and the results are just killer...give it a try...
My bud was using a 250W Klipsch powered sub with a TZ at EXPO this
year, and holy shit. it was stupid , could hear it throughout the
whole venders room...........LOL.........but it still sounded clean
and clear.....
glad i finally did it.....
gaspumprob
Dec 25, 2011, 12:32:31 AM12/25/11
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I am going to get a couple and try one on my Spiderman and AFM--- both
of those games need more bass !!!! Sounds stupid easy to hook up and
deliver bass. Not to mention low low cost.
Thanks for sharing this idea.
Gerry
Dec 25, 2011, 12:45:10 AM12/25/11
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get it done.......
Pinster68
Dec 25, 2011, 6:54:20 AM12/25/11
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Gerry;1848374 Wrote:
> On Dec 24, 11:07*pm, Pinster68 <Carscad... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>
> > Which model did you end up going with?
> >
> > --
> > Pinster68
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> > Which model did you end up going with?
> >
> > --
> > Pinster68
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The Sony SA-W2500....got 8 of them.......i got 4 of them at Best Buy,
> $107.00.....and the rest i ordered off Amazon.....$79.00 shipped....
> lot of sound system for a little
That's the one I went with from Amazon. Just purchased one to test it
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The Sony SA-W2500....got 8 of them.......i got 4 of them at Best Buy,
> $107.00.....and the rest i ordered off Amazon.....$79.00 shipped....
> lot of sound system for a little
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NM
Dec 25, 2011, 12:26:47 PM12/25/11
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TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
> Just a note... this method will not work (or work extremely poorly,
> depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that have
> all the speakers wired in series from the factory. (BoP, BR, DW,
> etc...)
Would that include all the games in these 3 pre-DCS categories (from
PinWiki)?
2.1 WPC (Alphanumeric):
Funhouse
Harley-Davidson
The Machine: Bride of Pin*Bot
2.2 WPC (Dot Matrix):
Gilligan's Island
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Hurricane
Party Zone
2.3 WPC FlipTronics I & II:
The Addams Family / Addams Family Gold
The Getaway: High Speed II
Black Rose
Fish Tales
Doctor Who
Creature from the Black Lagoon
White Water
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Twilight Zone
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NM
Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.
Mike D
Dec 25, 2011, 12:52:34 PM12/25/11
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glass on low notes. I got rid of it and hooked up a powered sub and
love it. As you mentioned a powered sub should have on impact on the
games transformer. Plus, you can adjust the volume independently of the
games, which is why I don't like any of the pinball speaker kits. In
addition, you can get a cheap subwoofer for less that one of those kits.
Not to say they are bad products, but it is always a pain to dial them
in and they never will sound like a real sub. Here is my AFM now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivq1plFfKAE
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Mike D
addamb
Dec 25, 2011, 12:58:01 PM12/25/11
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NM;1848550 Wrote:
> Korn,
>
> Would that include all the games in these 3 pre-DCS categories (from
> PinWiki)?
>
> 2.1 WPC (Alphanumeric):
>
> Funhouse
> Harley-Davidson
> The Machine: Bride of Pin*Bot
>
> 2.2 WPC (Dot Matrix):
>
> Gilligan's Island
> Terminator 2: Judgement Day
> Hurricane
> Party Zone
>
> 2.3 WPC FlipTronics I & II:
>
> The Addams Family / Addams Family Gold
> The Getaway: High Speed II
> Black Rose
> Fish Tales
> Doctor Who
> Creature from the Black Lagoon
> White Water
> Bram Stoker's Dracula
> Twilight Zone
System 11B with two different types of speakers, Mid on one side and
tweeter on the other side i think, in the top of the head, and the
"woofer" in the cabinet. Is 11B wired in such a way i couldn't do
Gerry's set up?
Sorry, this is my first non Gottlieb 80B (and i LOVE it) so i'm still
learning.:rolleyes:
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addamb
NM
Dec 25, 2011, 1:16:12 PM12/25/11
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Mike:
That's your T3 video (which I thoroughly enjoyed watching BTW!).
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all!
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NM
Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.
That's your T3 video (which I thoroughly enjoyed watching BTW!).
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all!
--
NM
Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.
NM
Dec 25, 2011, 1:25:07 PM12/25/11
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addamb;1848562 Wrote:
> Any idea where Bally's Game Show would fit in there? It uses Williams
GS had the MPU right before WPC Alphanumeric:
System 11C.
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NM
Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.
Gerry
Dec 25, 2011, 1:47:04 PM12/25/11
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on Robs TZ at expo was great..i am assuming the sony will work just as
well....
I have access to party zone, and fun house...so i will report back to
you guys with that info....
The pwered sub just feeds off speaker signal.....i dont see what could
be an issue there..
we will see soon :) those 3 games should cover all these catagories
addamb
Dec 25, 2011, 2:16:23 PM12/25/11
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NM;1848572 Wrote:
> GS had the MPU right before WPC Alphanumeric:
>
> System 11C.
talking about the smaller Williams alphanumeric displays? (Sorry, again
i'm new to anything that isn't 80B, lol)
And does that mean i can just simply attatch a powered Sub to my cabinet
speaker like Gerry did?
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addamb
addamb
Dec 25, 2011, 2:17:23 PM12/25/11
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Gerry;1848579 Wrote:
> On Dec 25, 12:26*pm, NM <rp272... (AT) Yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
> >
> > > Just a note... *this method will not work (or work extremely poorly,
> > TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
> >
> > > depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that
> have
> > > all the speakers wired in series from the factory. *(BoP, BR, DW,
> have
>
> I will be intsalling on ..TZ in the next week.....the Klipsch sub used
> on Robs TZ at expo was great..i am assuming the sony will work just as
> well....
>
> I have access to party zone, and fun house...so i will report back to
> you guys with that info....
>
> The pwered sub just feeds off speaker signal.....i dont see what could
> be an issue there..
>
> we will see soon :) those 3 games should cover all these catagories
Thanks Gerry!! This is good stuff!!
> I will be intsalling on ..TZ in the next week.....the Klipsch sub used
> on Robs TZ at expo was great..i am assuming the sony will work just as
> well....
>
> I have access to party zone, and fun house...so i will report back to
> you guys with that info....
>
> The pwered sub just feeds off speaker signal.....i dont see what could
> be an issue there..
>
> we will see soon :) those 3 games should cover all these catagories
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addamb
NM
Dec 25, 2011, 5:51:03 PM12/25/11
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addamb;1848590 Wrote:
> Hmm, ok. The manual says 11B and it has alphanumeric displays. Are you
> talking about the smaller Williams alphanumeric displays?
2.1 System 9:
Space Shuttle
Sorcerer
Comet
2.2 System 11:
Grand Lizard
High Speed
Road Kings
Gold Mine (Shuffle Alley)
2.3 System 11a:
Pinbot
Millionaire
F-14 Tomcat
Fire!
Fire! Champagne Edition
2.4 System 11b:
Big Guns
Space Station
Cyclone
Banzai Run
Swords of Fury
Taxi
Jokerz!
Earthshaker
Black Knight 2000
Police Force
Elvira and the Party Monsters
Bad Cats
Mousin' Around!
Whirlwind
2.5 System 11c:
The Bally Game Show
Pool Sharks
Rollergames
Diner
Radical!
Dr. Dude
Riverboat Gambler
Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball
http://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_System_9_-_11
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NM
Current: AFM, CFTBL, FGY, MB, NGG, SS, STTNG, TAF, ToM, TSPP, TZ, WH2O,
'54 Gottlieb Stage Coach.
Mike D
Dec 25, 2011, 5:56:19 PM12/25/11
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NM;1848568 Wrote:
> Mike:
>
> That's your T3 video (which I thoroughly enjoyed watching BTW!).
>
> Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all!
That was actually a link to a cointaker video, copied the wrong link.
Sorry, I was shopping for LEDs with Christmas cash. Here is the right
link:
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album1333/IMG_1704
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Mike D
Nerbflong
Dec 26, 2011, 8:43:53 AM12/26/11
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addamb;1848562 Wrote:
> Any idea where Bally's Game Show would fit in there? It uses Williams
> System 11B with two different types of speakers, Mid on one side and
> tweeter on the other side i think, in the top of the head, and the
> "woofer" in the cabinet. Is 11B wired in such a way i couldn't do
> Gerry's set up?
>
> Sorry, this is my first non Gottlieb 80B (and i LOVE it) so i'm still
> learning.:rolleyes:
I have external subs on my D&D, Rapid Fire, Theatre Of Magic, Game Show,
Gladiators, and Demolition Man. Love em!
--
Nerbflong
addamb
Dec 26, 2011, 10:46:35 AM12/26/11
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Nerbflong;1848910 Wrote:
> Bally's Game Show sounds great with an external sub on it!
>
> I have external subs on my D&D, Rapid Fire, Theatre Of Magic, Game Show,
> Gladiators, and Demolition Man. Love em!
on his Genesis?
--
addamb
Gerry
Dec 26, 2011, 11:15:45 AM12/26/11
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addamb
Dec 26, 2011, 11:34:52 AM12/26/11
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Gerry;1848974 Wrote:
> On Dec 26, 10:46*am, addamb <addam.bar... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Nerbflong;1848910 Wrote:
> >
> > > Bally's Game Show sounds great with an external sub on it!
> >
> > > I have external subs on my D&D, Rapid Fire, Theatre Of Magic, Game
> Show,
> > > Gladiators, and Demolition Man. Love em!
> >
> > Nice!! Can i just aligator clip it to my cabinet speaker like Gerry
> did
> > on his Genesis?
> >
> > --
> > addamb
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> > Nerbflong;1848910 Wrote:
> >
> > > Bally's Game Show sounds great with an external sub on it!
> >
> > > I have external subs on my D&D, Rapid Fire, Theatre Of Magic, Game
> Show,
> > > Gladiators, and Demolition Man. Love em!
> >
> > Nice!! Can i just aligator clip it to my cabinet speaker like Gerry
> did
> > on his Genesis?
> >
> > --
> > addamb
>
> yes
Yay!! Amazon here i come!!:D Thanks Gerry!
addamb
Dec 27, 2011, 12:17:55 PM12/27/11
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Picking one up locally today. $40 off CL. It looks pretty nice. Kust
outt curiosity, how bad do things rattle if you pull the guts out and
install it inside the cabinet?
The Hammer
Dec 27, 2011, 1:44:17 PM12/27/11
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in article TheKorn...@rrgparchive.com, TheKorn at the...@thekorn.net
wrote on 12/23/11 11:28 AM:
> Gerry;1847175 Wrote:
>> Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
>> speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire out
>> the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right channel....turn
>> it on and WOOF......
>
> Just a note... this method will not work (or work extremely poorly,
> etc...)
>
"clipped to the cab speaker". Correct. Don't do this if they are in
series.
As long as it is a powered sub and a high impedance level input is used (not
speaker pass through), I would try hooking it up to the output of the sound
board.
Powered subwoofers can have two types of inputs: high impedance and speaker
level. The high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
to connect audio between different components in a stereo system. This
should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high level input
of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers. If, as Korn says, the
speakers are connected in series, you could run into poor sound by
connecting the subwoofer across a single speaker. Or no sound from the pin
if the high level input of the woofer is connected in series with the pin
speakers.
If your powered subwoofer has only speaker inputs, you could still hook this
up, but it might be more of a problem. Speaker inputs on powered subwoofers
are frequently set up to act as high pass filters for the other speakers.
The full output of the pin amp goes to the subwoofer. The subwoofer
separates out the frequencies, sending the lower frequencies to the
subwoofer, then the output goes to the other speakers without the lower
frequencies (hence the term 'high pass filter'). In a pin, that would mean
taking the output from the subwoofer and putting back to the internal pin
speakers. One could just skip this, and not use the high pass filter in
the subwoofer (leave the pin speakers connected the way they are now), but
that is the way the speaker level of a subwoofer is designed to work.
If it is not a powered subwoofer, don't use it. There is not enough power
from the pin. If there is a high level (RCA plug) input, use that.
If you use the 12V unregulated supply from the pin to power a car subwoofer,
the worst you should do is blow the fuse. If that happens, you will need a
separate transformer and 12 V power supply. Purchase one, or build one.
BTW, that Sunfire Subwoofer is a killer. I would think you could flex the
windows with that, or tilt the pin with the sound. Fun.
wrote on 12/23/11 11:28 AM:
> Gerry;1847175 Wrote:
>> Put the sub under the cab ...2 aligator clips soldered to 18 guage
>> speaker wire... clipped to the cab speaker ....run the speaker wire out
>> the bottom of the cab into the sub..(left or right channel....turn
>> it on and WOOF......
>
> depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that have
> all the speakers wired in series from the factory. (BoP, BR, DW,
> etc...)
>
"clipped to the cab speaker". Correct. Don't do this if they are in
series.
As long as it is a powered sub and a high impedance level input is used (not
speaker pass through), I would try hooking it up to the output of the sound
board.
Powered subwoofers can have two types of inputs: high impedance and speaker
level. The high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
to connect audio between different components in a stereo system. This
should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high level input
of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers. If, as Korn says, the
speakers are connected in series, you could run into poor sound by
connecting the subwoofer across a single speaker. Or no sound from the pin
if the high level input of the woofer is connected in series with the pin
speakers.
If your powered subwoofer has only speaker inputs, you could still hook this
up, but it might be more of a problem. Speaker inputs on powered subwoofers
are frequently set up to act as high pass filters for the other speakers.
The full output of the pin amp goes to the subwoofer. The subwoofer
separates out the frequencies, sending the lower frequencies to the
subwoofer, then the output goes to the other speakers without the lower
frequencies (hence the term 'high pass filter'). In a pin, that would mean
taking the output from the subwoofer and putting back to the internal pin
speakers. One could just skip this, and not use the high pass filter in
the subwoofer (leave the pin speakers connected the way they are now), but
that is the way the speaker level of a subwoofer is designed to work.
If it is not a powered subwoofer, don't use it. There is not enough power
from the pin. If there is a high level (RCA plug) input, use that.
If you use the 12V unregulated supply from the pin to power a car subwoofer,
the worst you should do is blow the fuse. If that happens, you will need a
separate transformer and 12 V power supply. Purchase one, or build one.
BTW, that Sunfire Subwoofer is a killer. I would think you could flex the
windows with that, or tilt the pin with the sound. Fun.
The Hammer
Dec 27, 2011, 1:56:14 PM12/27/11
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in article cceb97c3-9d46-4f9e...@u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com,
Gerry at hotkl...@yahoo.com wrote on 12/26/11 8:15 AM:
If you want to take this one step further, look inside your pin cabinet for
the 120 VAC input to your power transformer. Hook up a 120 VAC plug, best
if outside the cabinet. Plug your powered subwoofer into it. That way,
your subwoofer will turn on and off with the pin. Be careful that you do
not create a shock hazard for the children (or child-like adults) in your
life.
This Sony will only pull 0.6A while being used, so it should not be a
problem being protected by your (usually) 8A fuse on the input of the pin.
I think it is funny that this is quoted to be a 100W subwoofer, but only
draws 70W from the power line. That is magic.
Gerry at hotkl...@yahoo.com wrote on 12/26/11 8:15 AM:
the 120 VAC input to your power transformer. Hook up a 120 VAC plug, best
if outside the cabinet. Plug your powered subwoofer into it. That way,
your subwoofer will turn on and off with the pin. Be careful that you do
not create a shock hazard for the children (or child-like adults) in your
life.
This Sony will only pull 0.6A while being used, so it should not be a
problem being protected by your (usually) 8A fuse on the input of the pin.
I think it is funny that this is quoted to be a 100W subwoofer, but only
draws 70W from the power line. That is magic.
addamb
Dec 27, 2011, 2:38:17 PM12/27/11
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The Hammer;1849729 Wrote:
>
> high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
> to connect audio between different components in a stereo system. This
> should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high level
> input
> of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers.
board? (System 11B/C)
The powered sub i'm getting has both types of inputs. And from what i'm
reading the line input is the better of the two to use.
Gerry
Dec 27, 2011, 11:26:58 PM12/27/11
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( stripped soldered ends, into push clips colored red and or black as
ness...turn on game and play..done !
And Funhouse is amazing with the sub.......works perfect !
BTW...... :0 happy days!
Gerry
Dec 27, 2011, 11:30:44 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 25, 12:26 pm, NM <rp272...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
know......
i already know TZ works perfect......so that includes the rest in that
batch....
Bet a million dollars there are zero issues with 2.2 as well....if it
works with the first group and works with the last group...
stands to reason, we are all good to go.....
addamb
Dec 28, 2011, 7:01:58 AM12/28/11
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Gerry;1850043 Wrote:
> On Dec 25, 12:26*pm, NM <rp272... (AT) Yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
> >
> > > Just a note... *this method will not work (or work extremely poorly,
> > TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
> >
> > > depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that
> have
> > > all the speakers wired in series from the factory. *(BoP, BR, DW,
> have
>
> Korn, and NM...Funhouse works perfect......just to let you guys
> know......
>
> i already know TZ works perfect......so that includes the rest in that
> batch....
>
> Bet a million dollars there are zero issues with 2.2 as well....if it
> works with the first group and works with the last group...
> stands to reason, we are all good to go.....
Thanks for the update Gerry!!
> Korn, and NM...Funhouse works perfect......just to let you guys
> know......
>
> i already know TZ works perfect......so that includes the rest in that
> batch....
>
> Bet a million dollars there are zero issues with 2.2 as well....if it
> works with the first group and works with the last group...
> stands to reason, we are all good to go.....
--
addamb
The Hammer
Dec 28, 2011, 1:45:27 PM12/28/11
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in article addamb...@rrgparchive.com, addamb at addam....@gmail.com
wrote on 12/27/11 11:38 AM:
>
> The Hammer;1849729 Wrote:
>>
>> high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
>> to connect audio between different components in a stereo system. This
>> should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high level
>> input
>> of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers.
>
> Do you know specificaly which jack/pins/wires to tie into on the sound
> board? (System 11B/C)
>
> The powered sub i'm getting has both types of inputs. And from what i'm
> reading the line input is the better of the two to use.
>
The line input is the high impedance one and is accessed with a RCA jack.
That is the one to use.
I am looking at an F-14 Tomcat which is a 11A, so it should be, I hope,
similar. Take a look at plug 11J9. Pins 1&2 are "+" and pins 3&4 are
ground. So you could connect to pins 1 & 3, or 2 & 4 or any combination of
those (not 1 & 2, or 3 & 4).
It looks like the speakers are in parallel and not in series, so you could
also just connect directly to the speakers.
If your 11B/C does not have a plug like this, let me know which pin you have
and I will look up the manual.
wrote on 12/27/11 11:38 AM:
>
> The Hammer;1849729 Wrote:
>>
>> high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
>> to connect audio between different components in a stereo system. This
>> should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high level
>> input
>> of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers.
>
> Do you know specificaly which jack/pins/wires to tie into on the sound
> board? (System 11B/C)
>
> The powered sub i'm getting has both types of inputs. And from what i'm
> reading the line input is the better of the two to use.
>
That is the one to use.
I am looking at an F-14 Tomcat which is a 11A, so it should be, I hope,
similar. Take a look at plug 11J9. Pins 1&2 are "+" and pins 3&4 are
ground. So you could connect to pins 1 & 3, or 2 & 4 or any combination of
those (not 1 & 2, or 3 & 4).
It looks like the speakers are in parallel and not in series, so you could
also just connect directly to the speakers.
If your 11B/C does not have a plug like this, let me know which pin you have
and I will look up the manual.
Gerry
Dec 28, 2011, 1:58:26 PM12/28/11
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On Dec 28, 1:45 pm, The Hammer <LHNewsgr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> in article addamb.55f...@rrgparchive.com, addamb at addam.bar...@gmail.com
I know you guys are trying for the optimum set up, but really, just
cliping onto the cab sub connectors works amazing..it more than
crushes a conversion speaker kit, and it is a no hassle hook up.....
no opening of BB's no pulling boards etc...... in either event let
me know how you guys make out .. :)
> in article addamb.55f...@rrgparchive.com, addamb at addam.bar...@gmail.com
cliping onto the cab sub connectors works amazing..it more than
crushes a conversion speaker kit, and it is a no hassle hook up.....
no opening of BB's no pulling boards etc...... in either event let
me know how you guys make out .. :)
The Hammer
Dec 28, 2011, 2:11:22 PM12/28/11
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in article
755d3520-c2e9-4e97...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, Gerry at
hotkl...@yahoo.com wrote on 12/27/11 8:30 PM:
> On Dec 25, 12:26 pm, NM <rp272...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
>>
>>> Just a note... this method will not work (or work extremely poorly,
>>> depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that have
>>> all the speakers wired in series from the factory. (BoP, BR, DW,
>>> etc...)
>>
>
The speakers in the display are in parallel. There is a tweeter on the
right with a coil acting as a choke to keep the low freq out of it. On the
left is a, I guess, midrange without a choke.
Those two speakers are in series with the speaker in the base of the
cabinet.
Since it "works", why not go with it, I guess. The speaker in the base of
the cabinet should be getting the full frequency across it. But the first
speaker is acting a little bit as a choke so you might, maybe, losing a
little low end? The frequencies attenuated might be outside of the range of
your sub, and, maybe not even produced by the pin.
In one WPC manual, and this applies to my FH, J505 and J504 have the same
connections. Pins 1&2 are "+" and pins 3&4 are ground. I would use those
connections.
In the other WPC manual, if I am reading this correctly, the sound board has
an option for a high pass filter. If it were me, I would go to J1 and use
pins 1/2 for my "+" and pins 3/4 for ground.
The easiest is to get a long shielded RCA type cord and cut the one end off.
Use the center at the + and the stranded shield as the ground.
755d3520-c2e9-4e97...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, Gerry at
hotkl...@yahoo.com wrote on 12/27/11 8:30 PM:
> On Dec 25, 12:26 pm, NM <rp272...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> TheKorn;1847501 Wrote:
>>
>>> Just a note... this method will not work (or work extremely poorly,
>>> depending on the exact model of sub used) for early WPC games that have
>>> all the speakers wired in series from the factory. (BoP, BR, DW,
>>> etc...)
>>
>
> Korn, and NM...Funhouse works perfect......just to let you guys
> know......
>
> i already know TZ works perfect......so that includes the rest in that
> batch....
>
> Bet a million dollars there are zero issues with 2.2 as well....if it
> works with the first group and works with the last group...
> stands to reason, we are all good to go.....
That is interesting that FH works well.
> know......
>
> i already know TZ works perfect......so that includes the rest in that
> batch....
>
> Bet a million dollars there are zero issues with 2.2 as well....if it
> works with the first group and works with the last group...
> stands to reason, we are all good to go.....
The speakers in the display are in parallel. There is a tweeter on the
right with a coil acting as a choke to keep the low freq out of it. On the
left is a, I guess, midrange without a choke.
Those two speakers are in series with the speaker in the base of the
cabinet.
Since it "works", why not go with it, I guess. The speaker in the base of
the cabinet should be getting the full frequency across it. But the first
speaker is acting a little bit as a choke so you might, maybe, losing a
little low end? The frequencies attenuated might be outside of the range of
your sub, and, maybe not even produced by the pin.
In one WPC manual, and this applies to my FH, J505 and J504 have the same
connections. Pins 1&2 are "+" and pins 3&4 are ground. I would use those
connections.
In the other WPC manual, if I am reading this correctly, the sound board has
an option for a high pass filter. If it were me, I would go to J1 and use
pins 1/2 for my "+" and pins 3/4 for ground.
The easiest is to get a long shielded RCA type cord and cut the one end off.
Use the center at the + and the stranded shield as the ground.
Pinster68
Dec 28, 2011, 11:33:41 PM12/28/11
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Gerry;1850318 Wrote:
> On Dec 28, 1:45*pm, The Hammer <LHNewsgr... (AT) verizon (DOT) net>
> wrote:
> > in article addamb.55f...@rrgparchive.com, addamb at addam.bar... (AT)
> gmail (DOT) com
> > wrote on 12/27/11 11:38 AM:
> >
> >
> >
> > > The Hammer;1849729 Wrote:
> >
> > >> high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
> > >> to connect audio between different components in a stereo system.
> This
> > >> should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high
> level
> > >> input
> > >> of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers.
> >
> > > Do you know specificaly which jack/pins/wires to tie into on the
> sound
> > > board? (System 11B/C)
> >
> > > The powered sub i'm getting has both types of inputs. And from what
> i'm
> > > reading the line input is the better of the two to use.
> >
> > The line input is the high impedance one and is accessed with a RCA
> jack.
> > That is the one to use.
> >
> > I am looking at an F-14 Tomcat which is a 11A, so it should be, I
> hope,
> > similar. *Take a look at plug 11J9. *Pins 1&2 are "+" and pins 3&4
> >
> >
> >
> > > The Hammer;1849729 Wrote:
> >
> > >> high impedance level is usually a RCA jack, like the type used
> > >> to connect audio between different components in a stereo system.
> This
> > >> should be run directly from the sound board in a pin to the high
> level
> > >> input
> > >> of the subwoofer - in parallel with the speakers.
> >
> > > Do you know specificaly which jack/pins/wires to tie into on the
> sound
> > > board? (System 11B/C)
> >
> > > The powered sub i'm getting has both types of inputs. And from what
> i'm
> > > reading the line input is the better of the two to use.
> >
> > The line input is the high impedance one and is accessed with a RCA
> jack.
> > That is the one to use.
> >
> > I am looking at an F-14 Tomcat which is a 11A, so it should be, I
> hope,
> are
> > ground. * So you could connect to pins 1 & 3, or 2 & 4 or any
> combination of
> > those (not 1 & 2, or 3 & 4).
> >
> > It looks like the speakers are in parallel and not in series, so you
> could
> > also just connect directly to the speakers.
> >
> > If your 11B/C does not have a plug like this, let me know which pin
> you have
> > and I will look up the manual.
>
> I know you guys are trying for the optimum set up, but really, just
> cliping onto the cab sub connectors works amazing..it more than
> crushes a conversion speaker kit, and it is a no hassle hook up.....
>
> no opening of BB's no pulling boards etc...... in either event let
> me know how you guys make out .. :)
Mine arrived in the mail today. Hooked it up to my TAF and it sounds
> > those (not 1 & 2, or 3 & 4).
> >
> > It looks like the speakers are in parallel and not in series, so you
> could
> > also just connect directly to the speakers.
> >
> > If your 11B/C does not have a plug like this, let me know which pin
> you have
> > and I will look up the manual.
>
> I know you guys are trying for the optimum set up, but really, just
> cliping onto the cab sub connectors works amazing..it more than
> crushes a conversion speaker kit, and it is a no hassle hook up.....
>
> no opening of BB's no pulling boards etc...... in either event let
> me know how you guys make out .. :)
great. Huge difference. Will eventually add this setup to my other
pins.
Brian
--
Pinster68
Gerry
Dec 29, 2011, 1:27:00 AM12/29/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
COOL.......Enjoy :)
iaintnobodydork
Dec 29, 2011, 4:41:49 AM12/29/11
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Would there be any worry in connecting an external sub to a pinball
pro setup in a LOTR? My LOTR is pretty decent sounding but is weak
compared to my car power booster EQ sub setup in my AFM. Also would be
nice to have a little vibration feed back with louder and hopfully
cleaner sound in LOTR. Thanks for all the great info,Charlie
pro setup in a LOTR? My LOTR is pretty decent sounding but is weak
compared to my car power booster EQ sub setup in my AFM. Also would be
nice to have a little vibration feed back with louder and hopfully
cleaner sound in LOTR. Thanks for all the great info,Charlie
Gerry
Dec 29, 2011, 4:59:58 AM12/29/11
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i installeda Flipper Fidelity system in my IM, and was going to try
just that..hooking up the pwered sub to that systrem... BUT..
The sub from FF, had a bad sometimes shorted crossover.....and when i
did get the crossover to work by dickin aroud with it..the system
sounded terrible...the BB speakers were too bassie, and the sound
wuality was COCKA ...
I immediately ripped it all back out, and reinstalled the stock
system, hooked up the Sony sub and it was YES, yet again killer !
you should make a seperate post here of your own, and ask this very
question....KORN will be the one to answer this for you...he is a
smart one on this stuff....
I have been talking with alot of my fellow guys around here about this
lately, and they all seem to think the kits dont deliver, and i have
to say i tend to go with that too...
This FF kit was terrible... good thing it came with the game when i
got it, cause i would hate to think i actually paid for it..
Pinster68
Dec 29, 2011, 6:58:38 AM12/29/11
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Gerry;1850689 Wrote:
> On Dec 29, 4:41*am, iaintnobodydork <crg1... (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net>
rattle actually got it tuned very nice. Mine really sounds good, but
naturally not as deep as the external sub on my TAF now. I think I'll
leave the IM alone. My other pins are itching for the sub, just not sure
I want to go buying these in bulk just yet. I think I'll test my one sub
out on each to see if it's worth it. I'm really curious about how it
sounds on my FH and Gorgar.
Regards,
Gerry
Dec 29, 2011, 7:09:08 AM12/29/11
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there....
i have run it on my SYS80B's as well ...holy shit it brings those
things to life too.....
after you get done experimenting, you will be on amazon clicking add
to cart....multiple times..... LOL
Pinster68
Dec 29, 2011, 7:31:12 AM12/29/11
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Gerry;1850696 Wrote:
> i
> > > got it, cause i would hate to think i actually paid for it..
> >
> > I have an IM, put a FF kit in it, and after initial gripe about glass
> > rattle actually got it tuned very nice. Mine really sounds good, but
> > naturally not as deep as the external sub on my TAF now. I think I'll
> > leave the IM alone. My other pins are itching for the sub, just not
> sure
> > I want to go buying these in bulk just yet. I think I'll test my one
> sub
> > out on each to see if it's worth it. I'm really curious about how it
> > sounds on my FH and Gorgar.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > --
> > Pinster68
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com- Hide quoted text -
> > > got it, cause i would hate to think i actually paid for it..
> >
> > I have an IM, put a FF kit in it, and after initial gripe about glass
> > rattle actually got it tuned very nice. Mine really sounds good, but
> > naturally not as deep as the external sub on my TAF now. I think I'll
> > leave the IM alone. My other pins are itching for the sub, just not
> sure
> > I want to go buying these in bulk just yet. I think I'll test my one
> sub
> > out on each to see if it's worth it. I'm really curious about how it
> > sounds on my FH and Gorgar.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > --
> > Pinster68
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It sounds awesome on FH..did it monday night...NO disappointments
> there....
>
> i have run it on my SYS80B's as well ...holy shit it brings those
> things to life too.....
>
>
> after you get done experimenting, you will be on amazon clicking add
> to cart....multiple times..... LOL
Yeah, I know it's coming. I'll have to make a "Gerry made me do it"
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It sounds awesome on FH..did it monday night...NO disappointments
> there....
>
> i have run it on my SYS80B's as well ...holy shit it brings those
> things to life too.....
>
>
> after you get done experimenting, you will be on amazon clicking add
> to cart....multiple times..... LOL
decal for each of the subs!
:D
addamb
Dec 29, 2011, 7:32:52 AM12/29/11
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Gerry;1850696 Wrote:
> i have run it on my SYS80B's as well ...holy shit it brings those
> things to life too.....
having only two pins now hardly gets played, but i'm still curious how
it sounds. I wish i had a chance to hook the sub up to my Genesis before
i traded it!!:( That game has great bass!
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addamb
dannunz
Dec 29, 2011, 7:59:59 PM12/29/11
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Just put it on my SHADOW and holy sh*t it was un real. When the ball
gets popped out for the jackpot shot around the loop that was cool.
Just ordered 2 more. Anyone put one on a SM or LOTR yet?:):):):):)
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dannunz
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 12:05:12 AM12/30/11
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triggers for bass as well, and you know how violent those pops
are...
Dannunz, havent done the LOTR or SM, but IM is like having a home
theater experience....i would imagine those other titles will be great
too....
stevenp
Dec 30, 2011, 12:28:20 AM12/30/11
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Just a thought, but couldn't you clip the woofer terminals of 2 pins and
connect them separately to the L and R inputs of a single powered sub?
That way you'd only need a single sub for every 2 pins. (And sub
placement isn't critical, as the deeper bass is pretty nondirectional.
Just put the sub under one pin or between them, or over to the side...)
You're welcome. ;)
--
stevenp
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 12:47:59 AM12/30/11
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were being played at the same time it was no where as near as
defined..and i thought it was muddy .....
with a sub per game it just seems more directional and each player get
the majority of the sound from the game he is playing......
i like it better that way....
but yeah you can... it works great if only one game is being played at
a time.......
But one other thing....i found that Airborne likes the sub all the way
up and the pot for the frequency adjustment all the way up....where IM
likes the volume on the sub at about 3/4, and the frequency at about a
1/3 of the way up... so running those 2 out of the same sub wouldnt
give you as great of an effect as running individual subs for each...
stevenp
Dec 30, 2011, 12:58:27 AM12/30/11
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Gerry;1851199 Wrote:
> On Dec 30, 12:28*am, stevenp <steven... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Just a thought, but couldn't you clip the woofer terminals of 2 pins
> and
> > connect them separately to the L and R inputs of a single powered
> sub?
> > That way you'd only need a single sub for every 2 pins. (And sub
> > placement isn't critical, as the deeper bass is pretty
> nondirectional.
> > Just put the sub under one pin or between them, or over to the
> side...)
> >
> > You're welcome. ;)
> >
> > --
> > stevenp
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> > Just a thought, but couldn't you clip the woofer terminals of 2 pins
> and
> > connect them separately to the L and R inputs of a single powered
> sub?
> > That way you'd only need a single sub for every 2 pins. (And sub
> > placement isn't critical, as the deeper bass is pretty
> nondirectional.
> > Just put the sub under one pin or between them, or over to the
> side...)
> >
> > You're welcome. ;)
> >
> > --
> > stevenp
>
> I did that with Goldeneye, and Capcom Airborne...and when both games
> were being played at the same time it was no where as near as
> defined..and i thought it was muddy .....
>
> with a sub per game it just seems more directional and each player get
> the majority of the sound from the game he is playing......
>
> i like it better that way....
>
> but yeah you can... it works great if only one game is being played at
> a time.......
>
> But one other thing....i found that Airborne likes the sub all the way
> up and the pot for the frequency adjustment all the way up....where IM
> likes the volume on the sub at about 3/4, and the frequency at about a
> 1/3 of the way up... so running those 2 out of the same sub wouldnt
> give you as great of an effect as running individual subs for each...
hmmm... sounds like boosting the signal slightly or getting a better sub
> I did that with Goldeneye, and Capcom Airborne...and when both games
> were being played at the same time it was no where as near as
> defined..and i thought it was muddy .....
>
> with a sub per game it just seems more directional and each player get
> the majority of the sound from the game he is playing......
>
> i like it better that way....
>
> but yeah you can... it works great if only one game is being played at
> a time.......
>
> But one other thing....i found that Airborne likes the sub all the way
> up and the pot for the frequency adjustment all the way up....where IM
> likes the volume on the sub at about 3/4, and the frequency at about a
> 1/3 of the way up... so running those 2 out of the same sub wouldnt
> give you as great of an effect as running individual subs for each...
may handle it better. Sony audio is notorious for exaggerated specs and
low-current amps (OK, except for the ES series, but you pay for that
quality!). It shouldn't sound muddy if a decent sub is driven properly
thru both channels. Anyone try this with a higher quality sub?
gaspumprob
Dec 30, 2011, 1:12:20 AM12/30/11
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Gerry do you unhook the wolfer that is in the bottom of the game and
connect the leads to the new sub or use both? Have you tryed it either
way?
Thanks in advance,
Rob
--
gaspumprob
Current lineup MB AFM RFM TOTAN TOM WCS TAF TZ WH2O TGHS2 T2 RBION SM BK
BK2 HH PB BOPB and many more to many to list. Can't seem to end this
addiction LOL:D
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 1:19:17 AM12/30/11
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disconecting) with the aligator clips, run to the sub then play a game
and be amazed....
gaspumprob
Dec 30, 2011, 1:24:58 AM12/30/11
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Gerry;1851213 Wrote:
> On Dec 30, 1:12*am, gaspumprob <gaspump... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Gerry do you unhook the wolfer that is in the bottom of the game and
> > connect the leads to the new sub or use both? Have you tryed it
> either
> > way?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Rob
> >
> > --
> > gaspumprob
> >
> > Current lineup MB AFM RFM TOTAN TOM WCS TAF TZ WH2O TGHS2 T2 RBION SM
> BK
> > BK2 HH PB BOPB and many more to many to list. Can't seem to end this
> > addiction LOL:D
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> > Gerry do you unhook the wolfer that is in the bottom of the game and
> > connect the leads to the new sub or use both? Have you tryed it
> either
> > way?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Rob
> >
> > --
> > gaspumprob
> >
> > Current lineup MB AFM RFM TOTAN TOM WCS TAF TZ WH2O TGHS2 T2 RBION SM
> BK
> > BK2 HH PB BOPB and many more to many to list. Can't seem to end this
> > addiction LOL:D
>
> clip them right to the connected cab speaker, ( no desoldering or
> disconecting) with the aligator clips, run to the sub then play a game
> and be amazed....
Thanks Gerry!!!
> clip them right to the connected cab speaker, ( no desoldering or
> disconecting) with the aligator clips, run to the sub then play a game
> and be amazed....
--
gaspumprob
Current lineup MB AFM RFM TOTAN TOM WCS TAF TZ WH2O TGHS2 T2 RBION SM BK
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 1:27:38 AM12/30/11
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The Hammer
Dec 30, 2011, 8:47:44 PM12/30/11
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in article
ff1c29fc-ae54-4da8...@d10g2000vbk.googlegroups.com, Gerry at
hotkl...@yahoo.com wrote on 12/29/11 4:09 AM:
If someone has an old stereo, there is no reason you could not use that.
Use one channel for each pin. It might take come experimentation to get the
sound right. Turn down the treble? Point the speaker into the floor?
ff1c29fc-ae54-4da8...@d10g2000vbk.googlegroups.com, Gerry at
hotkl...@yahoo.com wrote on 12/29/11 4:09 AM:
If someone has an old stereo, there is no reason you could not use that.
Use one channel for each pin. It might take come experimentation to get the
sound right. Turn down the treble? Point the speaker into the floor?
Rob T
Dec 30, 2011, 9:49:06 PM12/30/11
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Ok, I've read enough. I'm in.
We got a Kindle Fire for my daughter for Christmas. We get a free month
of Amazon Prime, so this will be a great excuse to use it! ;)
--
Rob T
Rob T
Dec 30, 2011, 9:49:57 PM12/30/11
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Rob T;1851721 Wrote:
> Ok, I've read enough. I'm in.
>
> We got a Kindle Fire for my daughter for Christmas. We get a free month
> of Amazon Prime, so this will be a great excuse to use it! ;)
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 10:01:52 PM12/30/11
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that.....
Rob you will LOVE IT, its wicked, you'll literaly shit yourself when
you get it hooked up !
Hooked it up in Sopranos tonight, and played it for 4 hours straight,
cause the tone is absolutely incredible....
good luck and report back....
Rob T
Dec 30, 2011, 10:16:37 PM12/30/11
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Gerry;1851730 Wrote:
> On Dec 30, 9:49*pm, Rob T <rob... (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
> > Rob T;1851721 Wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, I've read enough. *I'm in.
> > Rob T;1851721 Wrote:
> >
> >
> > > We got a Kindle Fire for my daughter for Christmas. *We get a free
> month
> > > of Amazon Prime, so this will be a great excuse to use it! *;)
> >
> > Any by the way, the price for the Sony is down to $73.97.
> >
> > --
> > Rob T
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> > Any by the way, the price for the Sony is down to $73.97.
> >
> > --
> > Rob T
>
> yes but its plus tax, and it came to like $78.97 or something like
> that.....
>
> Rob you will LOVE IT, its wicked, you'll literaly shit yourself when
> you get it hooked up !
>
> Hooked it up in Sopranos tonight, and played it for 4 hours straight,
> cause the tone is absolutely incredible....
>
> good luck and report back....
No tax, no shipping!
> yes but its plus tax, and it came to like $78.97 or something like
> that.....
>
> Rob you will LOVE IT, its wicked, you'll literaly shit yourself when
> you get it hooked up !
>
> Hooked it up in Sopranos tonight, and played it for 4 hours straight,
> cause the tone is absolutely incredible....
>
> good luck and report back....
Shipping Method: Two-Day Shipping
Items: $73.97
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
------
Total Before Tax: $73.97
Estimated Tax To Be Collected: $0.00
------
Order Total: $73.97
Delivery estimate: Jan. 4, 2012
1 "Sony SA-W2500 Performance Line 100 Watt Subwoofer"
Electronics; $73.97
In Stock
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
I'm really looking forward to trying this. I've bought several FF kits
and recently tried a Pinball Pro kit for my MB. Both kits are big
improvements over stock, but there is no way that those subs can compare
to a separate powered sub.
Do you think it would still be worth upgrading the main backbox speakers
in conjunction with the Sony sub?
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 10:35:24 PM12/30/11
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disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
well)..... I A/B'd the stock to the FF BB speakers and found that
they werent as Flat as the FF..they were a bit more trebley, which
works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives you.....brings
a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
FF in the BB it was muddy.....
you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to apply
for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
anything to do with tax but.... my shipping was free as well..dont
know but they charged me tax....Oh well.......
I still gotta buy 13 more of these things to get every pin done..as i
have a few more games coming in..soon...
Its worth every red cent... :)
Rob T
Dec 30, 2011, 10:53:54 PM12/30/11
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Gerry;1851747 Wrote:
> On Dec 30, 10:16*pm, Rob T <rob... (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
> > Gerry;1851730 Wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 9:49*pm, Rob T <rob... (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
> > > > Rob T;1851721 Wrote:
> >
> > > > > Ok, I've read enough. *I'm in.
> >
> > > > > We got a Kindle Fire for my daughter for Christmas. *We get a
> free
> > > month
> > > > > of Amazon Prime, so this will be a great excuse to use it! *;)
> >
> > > > Any by the way, the price for the Sony is down to $73.97.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob T
> > > > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> >
> > > yes but its plus tax, and it came to like $78.97 or something like
> > > that.....
> >
> > > Rob you will LOVE IT, its wicked, you'll literaly shit yourself
> when
> > > you get it hooked up !
> >
> > > Hooked it up in Sopranos tonight, and played it for 4 hours
> straight,
> > > cause the tone is absolutely incredible....
> >
> > > good luck and report back....
> >
> > No tax, no shipping!
> >
> > Shipping Method: * * * * Two-Day Shipping
> > Gerry;1851730 Wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 9:49*pm, Rob T <rob... (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
> > > > Rob T;1851721 Wrote:
> >
> > > > > Ok, I've read enough. *I'm in.
> >
> > > > > We got a Kindle Fire for my daughter for Christmas. *We get a
> free
> > > month
> > > > > of Amazon Prime, so this will be a great excuse to use it! *;)
> >
> > > > Any by the way, the price for the Sony is down to $73.97.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob T
> > > > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com
> >
> > > yes but its plus tax, and it came to like $78.97 or something like
> > > that.....
> >
> > > Rob you will LOVE IT, its wicked, you'll literaly shit yourself
> when
> > > you get it hooked up !
> >
> > > Hooked it up in Sopranos tonight, and played it for 4 hours
> straight,
> > > cause the tone is absolutely incredible....
> >
> > > good luck and report back....
> >
> > No tax, no shipping!
> >
> > Items: * * * * * $73.97
> > Shipping & Handling: * * * * $0.00
> > * * * * *------
> > Total Before Tax: * * * *$73.97
> > Estimated Tax To Be Collected: * * * * * $0.00
> > * * * * *------
> > Order Total: * * $73.97
> >
> > Delivery estimate: Jan. 4, 2012
> > 1 * * * *"Sony SA-W2500 Performance Line 100 Watt Subwoofer"
> > Delivery estimate: Jan. 4, 2012
> > Electronics; $73.97
> > In Stock
> > Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
> >
> > I'm really looking forward to trying this. *I've bought several FF
> > In Stock
> > Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
> >
> kits
> > and recently tried a Pinball Pro kit for my MB. *Both kits are big
> > improvements over stock, but there is no way that those subs can
> compare
> > to a separate powered sub.
> >
> > Do you think it would still be worth upgrading the main backbox
> speakers
> > in conjunction with the Sony sub?
> >
> > --
> > Rob T
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com- Hide quoted text -
> compare
> > to a separate powered sub.
> >
> > Do you think it would still be worth upgrading the main backbox
> speakers
> > in conjunction with the Sony sub?
> >
> > --
> > Rob T
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> NO..i ripped the FF upper BBspeakers out of my IM...after being
> disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
> running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
> well)..... I A/B'd the stock to the FF BB speakers and found that
> they werent as Flat as the FF..they were a bit more trebley, which
> works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives you.....brings
> a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
> FF in the BB it was muddy.....
>
> you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to apply
> for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
> anything to do with tax but.... my shipping was free as well..dont
> know but they charged me tax....Oh well.......
>
> I still gotta buy 13 more of these things to get every pin done..as i
> have a few more games coming in..soon...
>
> Its worth every red cent... :)
Thanks Gerry. What you say about the stock speakers being more
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> NO..i ripped the FF upper BBspeakers out of my IM...after being
> disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
> running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
> well)..... I A/B'd the stock to the FF BB speakers and found that
> they werent as Flat as the FF..they were a bit more trebley, which
> works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives you.....brings
> a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
> FF in the BB it was muddy.....
>
> you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to apply
> for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
> anything to do with tax but.... my shipping was free as well..dont
> know but they charged me tax....Oh well.......
>
> I still gotta buy 13 more of these things to get every pin done..as i
> have a few more games coming in..soon...
>
> Its worth every red cent... :)
"trebley" compared to after market speakers is something that I've
noticed too, and what you say about those evening out the bass of a
powered sub makes sense.
Regarding the two day shipping (that I got for free), like I said
earlier, we got a 30 day free trial of Amazon "Prime" when we bought the
Kindle Fire. Free 2 day shipping is included with the Prime program.
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 10:59:53 PM12/30/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I missed the " prime" in the other post......gotcha.....
> - Show quoted text -
however i still paid tax...HMMM ....must be a NY thing...
cant wait to hear from ya when your done..LMK...Start a fresh post of
your results here on the group...
Later...Gerry
Mick406
Dec 30, 2011, 11:00:45 PM12/30/11
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Gerry,
You sure did a great service by letting us all know about the speakers
on Amazon. I ordered one Wednesday and got it today (Friday)!
After hearing how your subs just knocked your socks off, I have to say
mine only caused my socks to fall down! I'm trying to figure out what
I'm doing wrong. First, I hooked it up to my TZ. I thought it would
knock the paint off the wall with all the 'boom-booms' on that pin, but
it was just passable.
I hooked it up next to my LOTR LE and it was much better, but still
nothing like you described about blowing the walls apart.
Next, I hooked it to my Avatar. Of all the pins, THIS one
super-responded. I got great bass sound and vibration out of that pin!
You mentioned 'fine tuning' and adjusting the sub woofer. There are
only two knobs on the back. The upper one controls the volume and the
one under it is for frequency response, I assume. I tried every method
with each pin and yet Avatar was the only one to really kick it!!!
Any comments appreciated.
Question: I soldered brand new alligator clips to some very thin guage
speaker wire. Do you think if I used a thicker guaged wire, like
extension cord wire (that's what we used in the old days before all the
specialty speaker wires were available) it would help carry the signal
better?
I would LOVE to solder some standard extension cord wire or 16 guage and
see how it would change things. I can't hurt my pin doing that, can I?
I can't see it happening. . . .
Thanks for all,
Mike
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Mick406
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 11:42:07 PM12/30/11
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one strand has a white stripe on it, ( to guide + and -)
make sure your correct with the + and - ....( in the back of the sub,
and also on the speaker wires in the cab that your clipping to, if
it doesnt show + and - on the speaker tabs, look it up in your
schematic for the game).....as this can and will cause the issues your
having...and BTW...your super thin speaker wire is a major issue.....
you cant use that stuff, it wont pass enough signal to the sub....
like i said, go get the 18 guage at the shack..solder on the
aligators...get + and - correct and report back soldier !
Even my weakest formated sound tracked pin ( not alot of bass burned
into the track on the sound chip)...is blistering with this set up, so
you definately have somethin going wrong.
my SYS80B's are breaking windows compared to stock, and are almost
keeping up with the Stern and B/W's games..
and the TZ is wicked......
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 11:49:02 PM12/30/11
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On Dec 30, 11:00 pm, Mick406 <mgior...@insightbb.com> wrote:
these that i am running are "almost" or ALL the way up with the
volume.....then increase the volume on your pin.... your pins volume
control is the way you controll the whole system..outside of playing
with the frequency pot to get it to your liking...
My IM is about 7/8 on the volume on the sub), and about 1/4 of the way
up on frquency..that seems to be the sweet spot on that game.... for
me anyway...
Mick406
Dec 30, 2011, 11:50:28 PM12/30/11
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"18 guage speaker wire....radio shack...its the clearish stuff....and
one strand has a white stripe on it, ( to guide + and -)"
super thin, from an old stereo system I had. Will get some wire
tomorrow. All my pins have very obvious + and - signs on the cabinet
speakers, so that is no issue.
Will change out the wire tomorrow and . . . batten down the hatches and
lookout windows!!!!
Thanks Gerry!
Mick406
Dec 30, 2011, 11:56:03 PM12/30/11
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You must be reading my mind! I was just wondering just how high you
were setting your dials on the subs. I am just about set the way you
just described. I'm 95% on full volume and about 75% on the frequency
response. You had already spelled out that the pin speaker setting
controls the volume. I ought to be able to get it all set up now with
the same results you are having. I'm ready to put some new speaker wire
on tomorrow and rock and roll!!!
Mike
Gerry
Dec 30, 2011, 11:57:54 PM12/30/11
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Mick406
Dec 31, 2011, 12:18:04 AM12/31/11
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Oh, I AM a loyal 'soldier', alright!!!
Spent 32 years in the US Army Reserves and got out when I turned 60
(mandatory). This guy knows how to 'report in'!!! :D
Gerry
Dec 31, 2011, 12:22:14 AM12/31/11
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machine.slave
Dec 31, 2011, 12:22:22 AM12/31/11
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I have a 12" Pioneer sub w/ a 1200watt Infinity amp from my old car
hooked up to my Iron Man.. now THAT rattles the foundation. ;)
Pretty much overkill though.. and definitely not cheaper than a
Flipper Fidelity kit lol
hooked up to my Iron Man.. now THAT rattles the foundation. ;)
Pretty much overkill though.. and definitely not cheaper than a
Flipper Fidelity kit lol
pinball94
Dec 31, 2011, 12:25:01 AM12/31/11
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Gerry,
Where are you pluggin these subs into? The outlet with the machine or
did you make an adapter so it turns on/off with the machine? Do you
know if these Sony subs are like others that will go into standby if
they don't get a signal after some time. My sub for my home system
has a red light when in standby and then when it get a signal from the
receiver it turns green. Figured that way they could be plugged
directly into the service outlet and then when the pin is not in use
it would go standby to conserve energy until the machine is powered up.
Where are you pluggin these subs into? The outlet with the machine or
did you make an adapter so it turns on/off with the machine? Do you
know if these Sony subs are like others that will go into standby if
they don't get a signal after some time. My sub for my home system
has a red light when in standby and then when it get a signal from the
receiver it turns green. Figured that way they could be plugged
directly into the service outlet and then when the pin is not in use
it would go standby to conserve energy until the machine is powered up.
Mick406
Dec 31, 2011, 12:26:42 AM12/31/11
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You hit a nerve there . . . I DEEPLY appreciate those words. It was a
long haul . . .
I'll paraphrase what is written on my father's tombstone:
(Grand)son of an Italian Immigrant - Loyal American Patriot!
Gerry
Dec 31, 2011, 12:52:29 AM12/31/11
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Gerry
Dec 31, 2011, 12:51:51 AM12/31/11
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easier than FF..with better results.....lol
your set up must sound wicked though..thats alot of ass you got
there :)
Gerry
Dec 31, 2011, 12:49:47 AM12/31/11
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Yes the Sony has standby..when game is over whether you leave the game
on or shut the game off it goes into standbyin like 10
seconds.........just as you described....i turn the standby option
off, as it takes about 10-12 seconds for it to kick in after you start
a game......it would be nice if it were a second or 2 instead...my
OCD..( just kidding) ..does not like that...LOL
the service outlet on a pin is always on correct? as long as the pin
is plugged in ?
Rob T
Dec 31, 2011, 1:05:35 AM12/31/11
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Gerry;1851843 Wrote:
> On Dec 31, 12:22*am, "machine.slave" <brockhemm... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> wrote:
> > I have a 12" Pioneer sub w/ a 1200watt Infinity amp from my old car
> > hooked up to my Iron Man.. now THAT rattles the foundation. *;)
> > I have a 12" Pioneer sub w/ a 1200watt Infinity amp from my old car
> > Pretty much overkill though.. and definitely not cheaper than a
> > Flipper Fidelity kit *lol
>
> and absolutely NOT cheaper than this Sony sub... which is cheaper and
> easier than FF..with better results.....lol
>
> your set up must sound wicked though..thats alot of ass you got
> there :)
You just told him he has a lot of "ass"!!
> and absolutely NOT cheaper than this Sony sub... which is cheaper and
> easier than FF..with better results.....lol
>
> your set up must sound wicked though..thats alot of ass you got
> there :)
I think you missed a letter somewhere. ;)
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Rob T
Mick406
Dec 31, 2011, 1:06:16 AM12/31/11
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You don't have to reply back, but I just wanted to tell you this . . .
sort of to honor my father.
My grandfather came from Italy through Ellis Island around 1914. He
could not speak English, yet he enlisted in the Army and fought in World
War I for the USA.
My father could speak both Italian and English, but never taught us kids
any of the 'home language'. There was a quick 'drift' away from our
heritage. My grandfather and father lived in Boston, Mass. Somehow,
dad migrated to Kentucky and married my mother and then went back to
Boston. I was born there. Two years later they moved back to Kentucky.
So . . . I'm an Italian Hillbilly Redneck Kentuckian! :confused:
Dad served in two wars: World War II and the Korean War. He was a
Marine and was shot in both wars. Once in the arm and the other in his
leg (on Iwo Jima . . . was there when they raised the flag in the famous
photo). He had two Purple Hearts. He was SO proud of his service and
had a GREAT love for all things USA!
I wrote the epitaph on his tombstone (that's why I'm actually writing
this, for you complimented that part). Flanked on the left of that
script is an American Flag, and on the right is the Marine emblem. ALL
my Italian relatives and entire family are THOROUGHLY American patriots
and appreciate what this country has given them.
I've tried hard to pass this 'attitude' on to my three grown children,
and for the most part, it has stuck. I'm afraid the passing generations
will not have the same appreciation for this great country as our
forebearers had. :(
Thanks for reading.
Mike Giorgio
Bowling Green, Kentucky
Gerry
Dec 31, 2011, 1:08:39 AM12/31/11
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you have now confirmed my suspision's :)
DaveB
Dec 31, 2011, 1:13:58 AM12/31/11
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>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> NO..i ripped the FF upper BBspeakers out of my IM...after being
> disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
> running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
> well)..... I A/B'd the stock to the FF BB speakers and found that
> they werent as Flat as the FF..they were a bit more trebley, which
> works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives you.....brings
> a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
> FF in the BB it was muddy.....
>
> you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to apply
> for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
> anything to do with tax but.... my shipping was free as well..dont
> know but they charged me tax....Oh well.......
>
> I still gotta buy 13 more of these things to get every pin done..as i
> have a few more games coming in..soon...
>
> Its worth every red cent... :)
Hi guys,Is there something special about that Sony Sub, or will any
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> NO..i ripped the FF upper BBspeakers out of my IM...after being
> disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
> running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
> well)..... I A/B'd the stock to the FF BB speakers and found that
> they werent as Flat as the FF..they were a bit more trebley, which
> works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives you.....brings
> a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
> FF in the BB it was muddy.....
>
> you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to apply
> for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
> anything to do with tax but.... my shipping was free as well..dont
> know but they charged me tax....Oh well.......
>
> I still gotta buy 13 more of these things to get every pin done..as i
> have a few more games coming in..soon...
>
> Its worth every red cent... :)
powered sub for home stereo work? I am in Canada and Amazon.com won't
ship it here. Can I use any sub, or what wattage is needed?
Thanks for the info!
DaveB
Rob T
Dec 31, 2011, 1:41:19 AM12/31/11
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DaveB;1851855 Wrote:
> On Dec 30, 8:35*pm, Gerry <hotkloc... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > Shipping Method: * * * * Two-Day Shipping
> > > Items: * * * * * $73.97
> > > Shipping & Handling: * * * * $0.00
> > > * * * * *------
> > > Total Before Tax: * * * *$73.97
> > > Estimated Tax To Be Collected: * * * * * $0.00
> > > * * * * *------
> > > Order Total: * * $73.97
> > > Items: * * * * * $73.97
> > > Shipping & Handling: * * * * $0.00
> > > * * * * *------
> > > Total Before Tax: * * * *$73.97
> > > Estimated Tax To Be Collected: * * * * * $0.00
> > > * * * * *------
> >
> > > Delivery estimate: Jan. 4, 2012
> > > 1 * * * *"Sony SA-W2500 Performance Line 100 Watt Subwoofer"
> > > Delivery estimate: Jan. 4, 2012
> > > Electronics; $73.97
> > > In Stock
> > > Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
> >
> > > I'm really looking forward to trying this. *I've bought several FF
> > > In Stock
> > > Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
> >
> kits
> > > and recently tried a Pinball Pro kit for my MB. *Both kits are big
> > > improvements over stock, but there is no way that those subs can
> compare
> > > to a separate powered sub.
> >
> > > Do you think it would still be worth upgrading the main backbox
> speakers
> > > in conjunction with the Sony sub?
> >
> > > --
> > > Rob T
> > > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com-Hide quoted text
> compare
> > > to a separate powered sub.
> >
> > > Do you think it would still be worth upgrading the main backbox
> speakers
> > > in conjunction with the Sony sub?
> >
> > > --
> > > Rob T
> -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > NO..i ripped the FF upper BBspeakers out of my IM...after being
> > disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
> > running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
> > well)..... I A/B'd the stock to the FF * BB speakers and found that
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > NO..i ripped the FF upper BBspeakers out of my IM...after being
> > disappointed with the kit as a whole, as i already had 4 of my pins
> > running the Sony sub, ( with stock speakers in those games as
> > they werent as Flat as the FF..they were a bit more trebley, which
> > works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives
> you.....brings
> > a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
> > FF in the BB it was muddy.....
> >
> > you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to
> apply
> > for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
> > anything to do with tax but.... * my shipping was free as well..dont
> > works good with a powerfull bottom, that the Sony gives
> you.....brings
> > a better balance tone wise....you need some highs in there, with the
> > FF in the BB it was muddy.....
> >
> > you did the 2 day shipping thing..i thought they required you to
> apply
> > for something to do that ..Hmmm i live in NY, i dont know if that has
> > know but they charged me tax....Oh well.......
> >
> > *I still gotta buy 13 more of these things to get every pin done..as
> >
> i
> > have a few more games coming in..soon...
> >
> > Its worth every red cent... * :)
> > have a few more games coming in..soon...
> >
>
> Hi guys,Is there something special about that Sony Sub, or will any
> powered sub for home stereo work? I am in Canada and Amazon.com won't
> ship it here. Can I use any sub, or what wattage is needed?
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> DaveB
Any powered sub will do. The Sony just seems to be at a very good price
> Hi guys,Is there something special about that Sony Sub, or will any
> powered sub for home stereo work? I am in Canada and Amazon.com won't
> ship it here. Can I use any sub, or what wattage is needed?
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> DaveB
point, and should be more than enough bass for this application.
machine.slave
Dec 31, 2011, 1:44:46 AM12/31/11
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Bahaha... awesome..
stevenp
Dec 31, 2011, 2:47:16 AM12/31/11
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Rob T;1851862 Wrote:
> Any powered sub will do. The Sony just seems to be at a very good price
> point, and should be more than enough bass for this application.
will handle 2 pins.
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stevenp
Gibo
Dec 31, 2011, 3:07:15 AM12/31/11
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Just picked up a 12in 120w Sony and connected it to my Spiderman,this is
one game that benefits from some extra bass
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Gibo
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