Question about secondary market transactions on artwork

[kenn...@yahoo.com]

I just saw yet another thread where Wayne had an Ebay auction pulled on
cabinet artwork. I thought it was established he has no control over
secondary market sales (sales not from the manufacturer) of items he
holds licenses for. If so, his request for removal of these Ebay
auctions is against policy, and possibly even actionable behavior. I'm
tempted to put up something up for sale and then bring suit to force
the issue when he has it wrongly removed. I have issues with him doing
things like thing when he has no standing to do so and Ebay doesn't
even question it, they just pull the actions.

K2

[sa...@mrpinball.com.au]

I think you need to look into Copyright and Trademark law, pirate art
is pirate art.
We have been given the rights to Act on Williams Behalf for these
matters.

You cannot make and sell anything with a Bally or Williams Trademark or
copyright without the Owners permission that is the law.

There are only 2 companies with permission to do this US & IPB.

If you have a proposal to put forward for an item either company will
look at it.

[PinballShark]

Well Wayne that's bullshit because you pull decals from Ebay that were
purchased FROM IPB or their distributors and that are now the personal
property of collectors. So by your own admission ANY Ebay decal auction
that states it was originally purchased from IPB is LEGAL, right?

[sa...@mrpinball.com.au]

Our legal people do not usually pull those types of auctions but to air
the facts just because IPB sold them does not mean they were legal
either

IE

Indianna Jones
Addams Family
Creature
Kiss
etc.

Were all made without the 3rd party trademark approval.

regards

[man_with_a_purpose]

Actually Wayne....what you state would be true, however I bet the time
limit as dictated by the Berne Convention is starting to run out. I
bet you're getting screwed by Williams. Just how much is Williams
hitting you up for on this "licensing"? Remember what business WMS
Gaming is in....they are professionals when it comes to screwing people
out of their money........LMAO............as PT Barnum says........

[sa...@mrpinball.com.au]

How long Copyrights last
Copyright subsists for a variety of lengths in different jurisdictions,
with different categories of works and the length it subsists for also
depends on whether a work is published or unpublished. In most of the
world the default length of copyright for many works is either life of
the author plus 50 years, or life of the author plus 70 years.
Copyright in general always expires at the end of the year concerned,
rather than on the exact date of the death of the author.

As per the Berne Convention

[CornCob]

Hey Wayne,

How do you know or your legal person (people;you;your friend;who ever)
know a seller on ebay is selling IPB or otherwise repro artwork? I do
not unless they say so...

I mean if I was to sell side art, called it NOS how do you know it
isn't before pulling the auction?

Will you be pulling auctions of collector machines off ebay that have
been shopped with cabinet art which may have been from IPB or some
other source?

If I'd of purchased cabinet art from IPB and you pulled them, I'd want
a refund from IPB. It's not as if IPB told me "we don't actually have
a licence to produce this stuff" before I purchased it?

Also,

Ping

[GA Pinhead]

So what if I bought Pinball Resource Bally drop targets. I can not
sell them to anyone? That makes no sense.

John!

[Gott Lieb?]

I have just one simple question. Then, why are all of the bootleg
Bally and Williams auctions for manuals allowed to continue on Ebay
from various sellers?

[Vic Ireland]

But what about IPB art that Darin did? That was "legit" as far as IPB
was concerned, but not as far as you're concerned? Seems to be so,
otherwise Darin would still be pumping out great art... Are those
verboten as well?

You can squeeze something you love so tightly you kill it. Lenny
proved that. We don't need a re-enactment.

[seymour...@excite.com]

That's something I would like to see shut down. I bought some of those
manuals and the schematics were useless.

[seymour...@excite.com]

[Mr Pinball Australia]

Good point, email me the links and our people will remove them.

[Mr Pinball Australia]

All I can say is yes they were not approved.

If Darin feels he had a deal, I offered to put him in touch with Williams
people, but he has not done so.

Why IPB did not go after him for all those years, I have no clue, but it is
different today.

It is not just us, the VP purchasers are getting just as much crap on that
forum as well.

regards

[PinballShark]

"Good point, email me the links and our people will remove them."

Do it yourself you lazy ass, it's all you are good for.

[PinballShark]

You are still dodging. I think it's less of a headache for Ebay to kill
an auction without any cause or any kind of investigation than it would
be to make Wayne prove why he has the right to have them removed.
There's nothing to keep Wayne from ending ANY auction on EBay that has
the Bally or Williams logo on it. All he has to do is claim that it is
"pirated" and the idiots at Ebay will remove it. Just like a fart,
something stinks down under.

[Steve]

CornCob wrote:
> Hey Wayne,
>
> How do you know or your legal person (people;you;your friend;who ever)
> know a seller on ebay is selling IPB or otherwise repro artwork? I do
> not unless they say so...
>
> I mean if I was to sell side art, called it NOS how do you know it
> isn't before pulling the auction?

Well start off by the fact only a handfull of games were done with
Decals.. most are silkscreened. Only the last few games were done with
Decals. So there is no NOS decals except for 3-4 games.

[Gott Lieb?]

I have faith that "your people" will be able to find them on their own.

Jim

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