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solid187

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Jul 15, 2011, 4:02:02 PM7/15/11
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Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30
plays. Any thoughts on what to use to reattach? It looks like an
adhesive, but it wasn't applied very well.

spidey

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Jul 15, 2011, 4:14:25 PM7/15/11
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Call Stern and ask!

Lloyd Olson

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Jul 15, 2011, 4:16:11 PM7/15/11
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I'd call stern tech support ( 1-800-kickers ) and see what should be used.

Before trying anything else. LTG :)

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solid187

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Jul 15, 2011, 4:24:02 PM7/15/11
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On Jul 15, 4:16 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
> I'd call stern tech support ( 1-800-kickers ) and see what should be used.
>
> Before trying anything else.  LTG :)
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> "solid187" <bdal...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message

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> > Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30
> > plays.  Any thoughts on what to use to reattach?  It looks like an
> > adhesive, but it wasn't applied very well.- Hide quoted text -
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Here's the response I got...
"Ah...I was told they weren't pressed on hard enough. Try that, and
then call us back if it doesn't work". Ugh.

RotaryRex

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:11:55 PM7/15/11
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Who the hell did you email for that response? Is it just me or has
stern been taken over by a bunch of pre school kids? I mean they
barely have anything close to customer service and when you do contact
them you get replies like the above which almost seem like a zombie
from a romero movie, admitting they knew something as simple as
pressing down a glued item hasn't been on and it was allowed to be
shipped by Jacob age 5 head of quality control :-s

yancy

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:14:08 PM7/15/11
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On Jul 15, 3:02 pm, solid187 <bdal...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

Hopefully this isn't widespread. I'm saving all my coin slot rage for
problems like this.

Yancy

Prefontaine79

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:07:07 PM7/15/11
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Save us Jack

solid187

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:13:14 PM7/15/11
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> shipped by Jacob age 5 head of quality control :-s- Hide quoted text -

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+1. That's exactly the impression I got after talking with Stern's
'experts'.

jackal2001

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:37:19 PM7/15/11
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> 'experts'.- Hide quoted text -

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Like this?
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6274/ingtron.jpg

Second one down and out for the count. It looks like not enough
sticky stuff.

Cliffy

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:43:11 PM7/15/11
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Contact cement. Paint a thin layer on both the disk and the platter.
Press together while still wet and pull back apart immediately. Done
properly you will get a bunch of stringy "legs". Let dry for 5 minutes.
Stick the disk back on being careful to center it. Once stuck on it
cannot be easily realigned so make sure it's centered.

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RotaryRex

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:42:19 PM7/15/11
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I must be on a roll 3rd +1 I've had tonight lol. But in all
seriousness sterns customer service and corporate communications are
possibly some of the worst I have ever experienced and I used to work
in corporate banking for barclays so I've delt with many corporations
and business and none ever came close to stern on their worst day. If
stern want to cost cut, give the entire PR and comms team (especially
the facebook masterminds) the boot out the door!

yancy

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:44:28 PM7/15/11
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On Jul 15, 4:37 pm, jackal2001 <jasonm.salg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Like this?http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6274/ingtron.jpg

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> Second one down and out for the count.  It looks like not enough
> sticky stuff.

I'd be pretty hesitant to clean the disc with alcohol, as was
suggested previously. I'm no chemist, but alcohol and weak adhesives
are a bad fit.

Yancy

Vinny Pin

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Jul 15, 2011, 5:46:36 PM7/15/11
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On Jul 15, 5:37 pm, jackal2001 <jasonm.salg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30
> > > > > > plays.  Any thoughts on what to use to reattach?  It looks like an
> > > > > > adhesive, but it wasn't applied very well.-

Gee, I thought this was supposed to be part of the LE "package"
Spinning discs.. that actually "FLY OFF"

Seriously, while I'm not a Tron fan, the game looks pretty cool, and
I'm sorry to say, I'm not a proud owner, nor am I soon to be one.
I hope Stern takes a more serious approach to fixing this flaw for all
you guys.
Good luck
Vinny

cudabee

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Jul 15, 2011, 6:07:09 PM7/15/11
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I think part of the problem is pinball machines were until quite
recently manufactured mainly for operators.
Pinballs in general had a lot of problems and issues, similar to
yours, out of the box.
No matter what year or make, although some more than others.

There had to be a real big problems like a dead cpu board or a broken
display or such to call in for service or a replacement.
Besides, if a new pin came in, it had to be on the road asap.
Now there is a home use market, and they demand some kind of quality,
especially because they see their purchase as an expensive
toy instead of the original moneymaker it once(long ago) was.If you
operated pinballs you were used to broken parts and issues all day
long.
But at give times some pins made 600 euro a week, and then you don't
complain too much.
As a mechanic i had a fulltime job with pinballs for 25 years.I was
totally happy with broken pins ;-)

I think it's a different world for Stern now and they slowly adapt
into it.
Chances are that JJP is taking more care of this, since they are
already familiar with the home-use buyer.
The future will tell.


RotaryRex

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Jul 15, 2011, 6:16:35 PM7/15/11
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> Like this?http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6274/ingtron.jpg

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> Second one down and out for the count.  It looks like not enough
> sticky stuff.

I'm guessing the darker areas are the glue on your disc? Not surprised
they are coming off there's barely more than 6 drops of adhesive on
the underside of your disc rubber, must be more cost cutting, one tube
of glue for all 400 LE pins :-p

cody chunn

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Jul 15, 2011, 6:28:56 PM7/15/11
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So is alcohol vs rubber.

-cody


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cody chunn

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Jul 15, 2011, 6:30:53 PM7/15/11
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Since it's so fresh, simply reapplying it with some good pressure might take
care of it. I would try that, then go with Cliffy's suggestion if it comes
back off.

-cody


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Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30

Pinboy

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Jul 15, 2011, 8:09:53 PM7/15/11
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Got my TRON LE

Set it all up.

Pressed down the disc before my first play just to be safe.

cody chunn

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Jul 15, 2011, 8:21:02 PM7/15/11
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Did the unit seem to be in any danger of damage from the pressure?

-cody


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PT

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Jul 15, 2011, 8:34:17 PM7/15/11
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I've talked to Stern tech support on multiple occasions over the past
five years. They have always be very knowledgeable and helpful.

John

mnpinball

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Jul 15, 2011, 9:01:45 PM7/15/11
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In all fairness, it's the distributors that should have the info and
tell their customers.
With the Internet we (rgp) get info quicker because of the collector
network and spreads like wildfire.
Distributors, get bulletins and notifications via email so it should
fall on them.
But everyone has a different take on things and opinions.

I contacted Trent, he was very quick to tell me of the delay of
shipping on the chrome and the coin door info.
I question why a Canadian game got a 2-slot door, Stern hasn't got
back to me.

Pinboy

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Jul 15, 2011, 9:59:33 PM7/15/11
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Well.. I didn't press too hard, but it seemed sturdy enough to me.
I made sure I was thourough and even with the pressure

Dan in Denver

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Jul 16, 2011, 4:01:34 AM7/16/11
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My outer rubber ring flew off after 1 week. Tried epoxy, lasted a few
days and flew off again.
Used 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive from the autoparts store and it
hasn't flown off yet.


David Gersic

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Jul 16, 2011, 9:13:04 AM7/16/11
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:02:02 -0700 (PDT), solid187 <bda...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30
> plays. Any thoughts on what to use to reattach?

I'd clean it off, then apply a thin layer of contact cement with a foam
roller to both the disk and the rubber. Follow the directions on letting
the cement flash over, then apply rubber to disk. Use a J roller to press
it down and let the cement cure according to the directions.

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solid187

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Jul 16, 2011, 10:20:13 AM7/16/11
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On Jul 16, 9:13 am, David Gersic <usenet_spam_t...@zaccaria-
pinball.com> wrote:

...and for 6k, you'd think all that shit would have been done at the
factory.

Taylor-VA

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Jul 16, 2011, 11:12:20 AM7/16/11
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Wow, what a PITA. Was this not an issue with Tron lite?

BC_Gambit

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Jul 16, 2011, 11:18:11 AM7/16/11
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Stuff happens, but this is some funny (in a sad way) stuff. I
empathize with what you must be feeling after dropping that kind of
coin and having something like this happen.

When the main toy flies apart after only a few plays, I would be less
than impressed. I can't think of another game where this has happened?

pinballmike217

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Jul 16, 2011, 11:24:36 AM7/16/11
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On Jul 16, 11:12 am, Taylor-VA <taylorv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, what a PITA. Was this not an issue with Tron lite?

I had the same problem.The larger ring came off the second day the
machine was set up. There was virtually no adhesive on it. I used
crazy glue to reattach the rubber. So far so good. I was just glad the
plastic over the disc was easy to remove. Nothing like replacing the
Sandman plastic on Spiderman. That is the only issue I've had with my
Tron so far. I think Stern did a great job on it. The only thing I'm
not crazy about is that the orbit lane is finished in bright yellow.
There is already a dirt line around the orbit and it is difficult to
clean because it is under the ramps. It's not really a problem, I'm
just too fussy.

Mike

Cliffy

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Jul 16, 2011, 2:27:50 PM7/16/11
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Epoxy is too hard. Contact cement is the only proper adhesive for
flexible things like rubber.

maxi

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Jul 22, 2011, 12:15:28 AM7/22/11
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On Jul 17, 4:27 am, Cliffy <crin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/16/2011 1:01 AM, Dan in Denver wrote:
>
> > On Jul 15, 2:02 pm, solid187<bdal...@columbus.rr.com>  wrote:
> >> Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30
> >> plays.  Any thoughts on what to use to reattach?  It looks like an
> >> adhesive, but it wasn't applied very well.
>
> >Myouter rubber ring flew off after 1 week. Tried epoxy, lasted a few

> > days and flew off again.
> > Used 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive from the autoparts store and it
> > hasn't flown off yet.
>
> Epoxy is too hard. Contact cement is the only proper adhesive for
> flexible things like rubber.
>
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> Cliff -CARGPB2
> Home of the world's finest pinball protectors!http://www.passionforpinball.com
only played 15 games and my pro version one just flew off also ..

AFM_TZ

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Jul 22, 2011, 12:41:28 AM7/22/11
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Sorry to hear about this guys.

Hopefully Stern fixes this in the later runs, and provides a solution
for you guys now (an "official" solution, not multiple tries at
glues).

Uhm, while on the subject - when i played on location, the disc wasnt
very active - posting here, it was suggested that thing gets dirty /
doesn't work as well. Remind me to ask the group in a few weeks how
the discs are holding up in general. I dont know, its a cool toy in
theory though.

mnpinball

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Jul 22, 2011, 12:52:06 AM7/22/11
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Cliff is dead on with the contact cement. Apply to both surfaces touch
together, pull back and it gets stringy then apply tightly together.
Super glue actually discolors plastic and is not a good solution.

Contact cement is the best choice.
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/990455/Elmers-Contact-Cement-1-Oz-Tube/

Or 3M™ Adhesive Transfer Tape 467MP is an awesome product with high
tack adhesion that would would on the disc/rubber.

Riles

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Jul 22, 2011, 1:26:36 AM7/22/11
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Ive had good luck with Barge Rubber cement for repairs such as this.
Extremely strong when used as directed. Find at camping or surplus
stores.
-Riles


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SaBbRa CaDaBra

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Jul 22, 2011, 2:45:11 AM7/22/11
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I have it on good authority that if you call Stern they will probably
help you fix it.

WEC

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Jul 22, 2011, 4:48:39 AM7/22/11
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On Jul 15, 4:02 pm, solid187 <bdal...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Damn rubber from the spinning disk flew right off...less than 30
> plays.  Any thoughts on what to use to reattach?  It looks like an
> adhesive, but it wasn't applied very well.

Use Goop brand adhesive for this, and just about every other similar
situation. Tim Arnold & I have been using it for years and can't live
without the stuff.

yancy

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Sep 4, 2011, 12:31:51 PM9/4/11
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Well, it took about 500 games, but the center rubber on my spinning disc
finally came off. During a game where I reached Portal, naturally. Off
to the store for some contact cement.


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yancy

Rob T

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Sep 4, 2011, 1:36:59 PM9/4/11
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yancy;1775054 Wrote:
> Well, it took about 500 games, but the center rubber on my spinning disc
> finally came off. During a game where I reached Portal, naturally. Off
> to the store for some contact cement.

Oh man, that's just rubbing it in your face! It really came off during
Portal MB?! That's just WRONG!

Mine came off and I used Contact Cement, hasn't been a problem since
(about 3 weeks).


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Rob T

Lippert

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Sep 4, 2011, 7:37:27 PM9/4/11
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I played a Tron Pro on location and the third flipper was already broken
on it. What the hell gives?


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Lippert

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