TRANSFORMERS LE PICS UP ON STERN FACEBOOK

[MRG]

Player controled upperplayfield pic

[Frank Gigliotti]

Looks good and with white rubber no less!

"MRG" <cast...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Player controled upperplayfield pic

[Rare Hero]

Here's a link to the pic for the Non-Facebookers

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305833_10150382558194244_136972659243_8184681_789144445_n.jpg

Greg

[socal_steve]

Looks sweet!

On Nov 9, 9:46 am, MRG <castro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Player controled upperplayfield pic

[machine.slave]

Yup, looks nice.. I wonder, are they still using a rapid fire cannon
or has that idea been nixed?

[Pinballed]

well, judging from playing the basic version seems the LE versions etc
are the way to go. The basic version is a snore and I bet thats why.

[Adam Becker]

On Nov 9, 1:49 pm, "machine.slave" <brockhemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup, looks nice.. I wonder, are they still using a rapid fire cannon
> or has that idea been nixed?

Going through the videos, I think it looks more like the balls will
still exit from from trough rather then be fired from the gun like
T3. But the cannon will have a "recoil" so that as every ball is
fired the megatron cannon recoils at the same time.

[CraigC]

so shooting the right ramp the ball will impact the gate and return to
the inlane. hrmm maybe i can swap the pro ramp in ;)

-c


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[kse]

That looks kind of odd - I can't really see any scoring opportunities
on the mini-pf other than the gate at the exit which it pretty much
has to go through. I can't see any switches behind the rubbers or on
the mini-pf itself. I also can't stell how the ball actually gets up
there either.

[MRG]

The "switches" are optos located under the upper playfield. the ball
is suposed to bounce side to side when you control it presumably with
the flipper buttons. I suppose you need to whack ironhide.

[gearheaddroppings]

On Nov 9, 12:46 pm, MRG <castro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Player controled upperplayfield pic

How much more is LE?

[CraigC]

there will be a stainless autobot ramp leading to it like the decepticon
ramp on the other side. supposedly there are optos or mini eddy switches
under the plastic to detect where the ball is. you make all switches you
complete it. the ramp tilts side to side like the path of adventure.
This replaces the current right ramp from what i can tell.

[PinAffliction]

So I have not been keeping up with TF rumors. Is this mini PF going to
be controlled with Magna-Flip type player control ala TZ?

Scott


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PinAffliction

[PinAffliction]

CraigC;1817935 Wrote:
> there will be a stainless autobot ramp leading to it like the decepticon
> ramp on the other side. supposedly there are optos or mini eddy switches
> under the plastic to detect where the ball is. you make all switches you
> complete it. the ramp tilts side to side like the path of adventure.
> This replaces the current right ramp from what i can tell.
>
> -c

Oh, ok.
Is that a solenoid plunger visible under the right front edge of the
mini PF? Guess that two of these would allow player to jack the ball
back and forth or raise both to roll the ball up the PF?


Scott


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PinAffliction

[treborlicec]

gearheaddroppings;1817931 Wrote:

> On Nov 9, 12:46*pm, MRG <castro... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Player controled upperplayfield pic
>
> How much more is LE?

Roughly 1500 more than a pro for the LE, 2K more for a CE.


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treborlicec

[kse]

Ah, I get it. Thanks! I guess I never even considered optos given
how stern seems to have not used them in such a long time. Pretty
nifty.

[treborlicec]

PinAffliction;1817940 Wrote:
> Oh, ok.
> Is that a solenoid plunger visible under the right front edge of the
> mini PF? Guess that two of these would allow player to jack the ball
> back and forth or raise both to roll the ball up the PF?
>
>
> Scott

In George's PPE presentation, he showed that this was supposed to be
controlled by a motor on the back panel. It looks like it could be a
motor, but now under the pf. I hope it is not just plungers. That
would be jerky (meaning not smooth), I think.


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treborlicec

[Les Manley]

Upwards facing optos through plastic...I wonder if it will have the
same issues as the idol opto on Ripley's where if it is dirty, the
plastic scratched, or even sometimes for unknown reasons, it will keep
firing over and over.

[Joe Jet]

Hmmm those parts look like about $50 worth.. nice markup.

[frenchy]

> In George's PPE presentation, he showed that this was supposed to be
> controlled by a motor on the back panel.  It looks like it could be a
> motor, but now under the pf.  I hope it is not just plungers.  That
> would be jerky (meaning not smooth), I think.>>

Plungers would have instant response though ; ) If somebody wanted
to do that you could maybe smooth it out with good use of springs and
such, or linking the plungers to some kind of mech that moved the pf
instead of just banging either side of it with the plunger.
How did the 90's Indiana Jones pin move the pf anyway, I don't recall.

[MRG]

IJ moved with a motor

[RotaryRex]

Couldn't agree more a few optos and a piece of translucent red plastic
- that is NOT a mini playfield IMO. If it doesn't do summit pretty
damn special I think George may have dropped the ball big time! More
I see of TF the shitter it looks, this has to be a joke though - show
us the real mini playfield stern!

[treborlicec]

RotaryRex;1817984 Wrote:
> On Nov 9, 9:08*pm, Joe Jet <jdeceg... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 3:49*pm, gearheaddroppings <tpves... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 9, 12:46*pm, MRG <castro... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Player controled upperplayfield pic
> >
> > > How much more is LE?
> >
> > Hmmm those parts look like about $50 worth.. nice markup.
>
> Couldn't agree more a few optos and a piece of translucent red plastic
> - that is NOT a mini playfield IMO. If it doesn't do summit pretty
> damn special I think George may have dropped the ball big time! More
> I see of TF the shitter it looks, this has to be a joke though - show
> us the real mini playfield stern!

2 mini PF's. There is one on the left side too for Starscream, shaker
motor, extra modes, sweet ass side armor and limited production. I know
there is stuff I'm forgetting. I agree, the price is high, but I have
to have this one. My last NIB was 7 years ago, so I'm due. :)

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 9, 1:08 pm, Joe Jet <jdeceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm those parts look like about $50 worth.. nice markup.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out...guess I'll go request a refund
now. *eye roll*

:)

Greg

[socal_steve]

On Nov 9, 3:12 pm, Rare Hero <rarehero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 1:08 pm, Joe Jet <jdeceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm those parts look like about $50 worth.. nice markup.

Some people just don't get it.

[Joe Jet]

Sorry, but what am i not getting now?.... I have bought 4 NIB sterns,
played all the recent ones.. not a hater and still looking forward to
a new game from them that will be worth it.... just trying to
understand what makes a little bling, shaker and these playfields
worth the $1K+ markup? Play field looks underwhelming.

If i would get a TF i would get the LE for the collectable aspect..
but please tell me how this is not gouging us...the collectors.

As a side point, I am getting a LE WOZ for the same price as a
standard one.

[socal_steve]

That one mini playfield isn't the only thing in the LE. Let's also
consider months of design engineering, programming, tools, software,
lunch, and the number of hours watching all 3 TF movies over and over
and over... And over. So yea, that one mini playfield is costing us
buyers a lot ;)
Or we can pretend none of the extra hours were spent on it and buy a
pro :)

[destruk]

Its simple math at work here. You get the standard cabinet, playfield,
some switches, some code, the art, and the license as the 'standard
package' - the $4 or $5K is what it costs to get any new game from stern
no matter what it is.

The extra $2K is for a game worth playing - the extra stuff like
completed modes, a wizard mode, moving toys that make the game fun.

What I'm waiting for their marketing team to start doing is to allow
owners to ship back games like Wheel of Fortune, and for an extra $2000,
replace the playfield and game code with a finished game like
Transformers, and then for another $2K, turn that conversion into a full
LE system. That's where the bigger money is.


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destruk

[treborlicec]

Can't see FB from work. Any new pix today?


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treborlicec

[MRG]

None so far

[GalaxianGeek]

The LE's will have:

Motorized Cube
Animated Megatron in Robot Form with LED Eyes
Player Controlled, tilting Mini Ironhide Playfield with controlled
gate
Starscream feature on left side which has now been confirmed to be a
motorized disc that rotates to reveal a target
A game controlled 2nd diverter gate in the rear which creates
different rules for orbit shots
drop-target target in front of the megatron multiball hole
LED insert and GI lighting
Custom powder-coated side-rails, hinges, and lockdown bar
Playfield slides and traditional lockdown bar
Each LE version gets its own unique translite
Shaker Motor
An additional spinner target
A 2nd laser cut Autobot ramp like the decepticon one on the pro

So looking at the above that is about 4 motors and 5 solenoids plus
the extra game code to accommodate all of that. It will be a
completely different game both in play and in rules than the pro.

So maybe the mini playfield is only $50 to make, although I doubt it
when you factor in the optos that sense the ball and the circuit board
needed to accomplish this, plus the motor for the tilting and the
controlled gate to allow the ball access into the playfield. More
like a $100 addition. It isn't wood simply because that might make it
too tall. There is limited space and they are clearly trying not to
have the playfield that much higher than the existing ramp on the pro
model so they can use the same return ramp.

Add all the other stuff plus the additional development time and it is
worth it. Has anyone priced custom cabinet trim? It is pricey. I am
buying a Decepticon LE and will have no regrets. Worth every penny.
My first NIB pinball machine ever. Selling a ton of stuff to get it.
Can't wait!

[Tom G WI]

It's nice they didn't make it clear.


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Tom G WI

[Back Alley Creations]

Just FYI for anyone who wants custom powder coating the same color that
is from the factory, I can do it. If you missed out and want your game
to have the same powder coating let me know. More details to follow.

Thanks, Matt

http://www.backalleycreations.com/



GalaxianGeek;1819049 Wrote:
> T

>
> Add all the other stuff plus the additional development time and it is
> worth it. Has anyone priced custom cabinet trim? It is pricey. I am
> buying a Decepticon LE and will have no regrets. Worth every penny.
> My first NIB pinball machine ever. Selling a ton of stuff to get it.
> Can't wait!

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Back Alley Creations

http://www.backalleycreations.com/

[RotaryRex]

Keep telling yourself that eventually you will believe it and be able
to ignore the fact TF is underwhelming.

And there is nothing else to consider after seeing that lackluster
mini playfield, there is no extra time or effort put into the LE's,
the LEs are the completed game from the designer as originally
designed, within the constraints of Gary, the pro is simply a cut back
version to get a new game out faster, within the sheduled release time
to build excitement for the complete/originally designed LEs release
oh and the pro in hand makes some more of that green paper Gary loves
so much while getting software tested by paying pro customers.

[socal_steve]

So much negative energy oozing from your post. Does somebody need a
hug?

[mnpinball]

It appears some if not many need to be refreshed of the LE differences
and the price justification.
As well there is a motorized Starscream upper left toy on a platform
above the left ramp.

All Transformers LE Models Only:

“Megatron Robot Form” rapid fire Multiball cannon with “Cyber” ball
lock
- Animated and with illuminated eyes
“Ironhide” Transformer with “Chromium Cyber Sphere” player-controlled
upper playfield
“Starscream Strike” action figure target
“Cybertron Zenith and Nadir” orbit shots via second electronically-
controlled gate
“All Spark Cube Tumbler” rotating above ramp when ramp is shot
“Megatron Cyber Lock Guard” drop target
“Quake Maker” shaker motor
Additional “Transformers” spinning target
Color transparent windows in ball guides
Color transparent illuminated bottom arch
Traditional lock down bar, slides, brackets
“Full Spectrum Color Chroma” LED general illumination and control
lamps
“Ironhide” metal ramp
Authenticating Stern Pinball Inc official product hologram
Enhanced LE game user manual

Standard Transformers LE Model Only:

Unique backglass art
Designer-signed playfields numbers 1-35: George Gomez’s signature
under hard coat
Numbers 1-500 numbered plaque and certificate of authenticity
“Decepticon Violet” side armor, legs & hinge; left side
“Autobot Crimson” side armor, legs & hinge; right side
“TF” colour split hand protector in “Decepticon Violet” and “Autobot
Crimson”
Unique LE “Vector Sigma Data Track” QR codes

Autobot Crimson Designer LE Model Only:

Full cabinet trim dress in “Autobot Crimson” including legs, trim,
front molding and cabinet
Unique “Autobot” backglass art
Playfield-mounted “Optimus Prime” signature plate
Game Designer George Gomez’s signature under hard coat
Numbers 1-125 numbered plaque and certificate of authenticity
Unique “Autobot” Designer Edition “Vector Sigma Data Track” QR codes

Decepticon Violet Designer LE Model Only:

Full cabinet trim dress in “Decepticon Violet” including legs, trim
and cabinet
Unique “Decepticon” backglass art
Playfield-mounted “Megatron” signature plate
Game Designer George Gomez’s signature under hard coat
Numbers 1-125 numbered plaque and certificate of authenticity
Unique “Decepticon” Designer Edition “Vector Sigma Data Track” QR
codes

This LE will set a new standard for Stern, and will be fantastic.

[RotaryRex]

No hug needed here, sometimes the truth is a little negative but sure
we are all big enough here to handle it.

[Joey]

On Nov 11, 12:07 pm, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This LE will set a new standard for Stern, and will be fantastic.

Yea, it will set a new pricing standard. Only a matter of time before
they start charging JJP prices.

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 11, 9:41 am, Joey <pinballj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, it will set a new pricing standard. Only a matter of time before
> they start charging JJP prices.

That's when I drop out.

Greg

[mnpinball]

Shop around, you could get in an LE at $1k above the Pro on a
preorder.
Once these hit the open market they will be in very strong demand.
Only 250 of the combos will be made before Christmas. The other 250
are next year.
And yes Lloyd, stock is a 2slot door and shaker.

[Lloyd Olson]

Strange. I don't remember asking, or caring.

"mnpinball" <mnpi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[mnpinball]

On Nov 11, 12:50 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
> Strange. I don't remember asking, or caring.
>

> "mnpinball" <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:e02f45a6-0506-4835...@d17g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > And yes Lloyd, stock is a 2slot door and shaker.

Sept 8th post has some merit.
My question is why does a WoZ that is $1000 more than a Stern LE make
it any better for your theory of "cutting" it ? It's a gamble on
either game that's not even out yet.

On Sep 8, 3:01 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't say my stern pins have been disappointing.
>
> As some of them age, take Spiderman. They aren't keeping up with key
> Williams games like Attack From Mars or Medieval Madness.
>
> Big problem right now is price. When I tallied up what a Tron LE would run
> me. Game, two slot coindoorwith holes for bill validator,shakermotor,
> shipping, Minnesota sales tax. I'd be into it for about $6400.00.
>
> Well if the $3800.00 stern pins ain't cutting it over time. No sense of even
> dreaming of a new LE.
>
> I left the pro version out of this because my players would know the
> difference and I'm confident they'd fare worse than some of the better stern
> titles or Williams titles I already have.  LTG:)
>
> "the_ball_is_wild" <jonat...@unigroove.com> wrote in message
>
> news:96af09d4-f3db-447b...@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ask any operator over here, which I actually did when I graduated on a
> > study on pinball marketing, and they will tell you each and every time
> > Stern games have been disappointing. Either in choice of theme, in how
> > the theme was turned into a pinball game and mostly in how these games
> > earned on location.

[Lloyd Olson]

November 9th post has some merit too. I don't give a fuck.

"mnpinball" <mnpi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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[chuck]

On Nov 11, 2:10 pm, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 12:50 pm, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
>
> > Strange. I don't remember asking, or caring.
>
> > "mnpinball" <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:e02f45a6-0506-4835...@d17g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > And yes Lloyd, stock is a 2slot door and shaker.
>
> Sept 8th post has some merit.
> My question is why does a WoZ that is $1000 more than a Stern LE make
> it any better for your theory of "cutting" it ?  It's a gamble on
> either game that's not even out yet.

Most arcades I've seen that are still alive don't buy any new pins,
they simply can't afford them. New pins go to two groups, collectors
and route operators. I'm not sure how a route operator can make a
return on pins that cost more than 4500. Although I was just told some
route operators have had some success with Tron LE. I find that very
surprising.

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 11, 12:57 pm, chuck <ch...@clhess.com> wrote:
> Although I was just told some
> route operators have had some success with Tron LE. I find that very
> surprising.

Either the enthusiasts are hunting it down and supporting that level
of pin-commitment with $$$ - or, the cool color changing ramps are
grabbing eyeballs and enticing people to play. I think those ramps
make the game look so cool, it's a shame all "route" Trons don't have
them.

Greg

[shlockdoc]

Lloyd Olson;1819309 Wrote:
> November 9th post has some merit too. I don't give a fuck.
>

> "mnpinball" <mnpinball (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
> news:81343c11-7abc-405c-aad4-09233db270f0 (AT) o5g2000yqa.googlegroups
> (DOT) com...

> >
> > Sept 8th post has some merit.

LTG = Lloyd tough guy


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shlockdoc

[treborlicec]

Been a week since that teaser pic. Any news?


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treborlicec

[mnpinball]

Gomez said pics this week is what he posted on Facebook.

[treborlicec]

mnpinball;1822537 Wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:32*am, treborlicec <rce... (AT) chartercom (DOT) com>
> wrote:
> > Been a week since that teaser pic. *Any news?
> >
> > --
> > treborlicec
> > This USENET post sent from *http://rgparchive.com

>
> Gomez said pics this week is what he posted on Facebook.

Well, it's humpday. C'mon, George. :)

[Fattrain]

This was just posted on Stern's facebook....

[image:
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379510_10150395443434244_136972659243_8231162_922255508_n.jpg]


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Fattrain

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PinTrain / Justin
Sacramento, CA

Current Lineup: SM-LE, LOTR, TSPP, T3, TRON LE

[treborlicec]

Sweet. We can see the see through red apron and the purple hinge.
Looks like they are using the same cab decals for the LE. More, please.
:)


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treborlicec

[Fattrain]

Ya I noticed the red apron too....

And I think that might even be a Decepticon edition as well because even
though it ALMOST looks black, i think it is that dark violet on the
backbox hinge....

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Fattrain

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PinTrain / Justin
Sacramento, CA

Current Lineup: SM-LE, LOTR, TSPP, T3, TRON LE

[hugh]

I LOVE the apron!!

Hugh


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hugh

[mummite]

yep, that apron is cool! Will the decepticon ones be clear purple?
Also I thought the designer models had different side art depending on
Autobot or Decepticon. Maybe the other side of the machine is
mirrored art depending

Mat

[MRG]

Don't forget you can see the "real" playfield supports not the peg
legs.

[Fattrain]

MR.G;1822643 Wrote:
>
> Don't forget you can see the "real" playfield supports not the peg
> legs.

NICE! Thank God! My Tron LE has the real playfield supports as well!
Thank god! Peg's Suck!!!

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Fattrain

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PinTrain / Justin
Sacramento, CA

Current Lineup: SM-LE, LOTR, TSPP, T3, TRON LE

[Frank Furhter]

yancy wrote:
> I'm so blind, I didn't even notice the red apron at first. Nice design
> choice. I always thought those looked great on RFM.

Red pinball apron - 2-3 dollars maybe, likely less in volume.
Used to shlep a 6K pinball - priceless.

You are not the only one blind, not in the least.

--
The Frankster, a playfield prankster
Once upon my crank her ballpark shrank.
http://PinWiki.org, Prep-H for pinballers.
CARGPB #42 (self appointed, *the* answer to LTUAE)

[turbo20lbs]

treborlicec;1822587 Wrote:
> Sweet. We can see the see through red apron and the purple hinge.
> Looks like they are using the same cab decals for the LE. More, please.
> :)

Any chance the decals will fit better than this on the LEs?

http://tinyurl.com/cmcyv7b

http://tinyurl.com/cmenfse


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turbo20lbs

Dave
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/turbo20lbs

http://www.youtube.com/user/turbo20lbs

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 16, 2:27 pm, Frank Furhter <fr...@furhter.com> wrote:

> yancy wrote:
> Red pinball apron - 2-3 dollars maybe, likely less in volume.
> Used to shlep a 6K pinball - priceless.

Yes, cuz that's all that's in the game. An apron.

...and it's not 6k.

Greg

[Frank Furhter]

By the time you ship, and take delivery, setup and fix what is broken
and your time, damn right its 6K.

[Fattrain]

Frank Furhter;1822745 Wrote:
>
>
> By the time you ship, and take delivery, setup and fix what is broken
> and your time, damn right its 6K.
>
>

Wrong again....

Way to continue being useless Frank.

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Fattrain

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PinTrain / Justin
Sacramento, CA

Current Lineup: SM-LE, LOTR, TSPP, T3, TRON LE

[Frank Furhter]

Fattrain wrote:

>> By the time you ship, and take delivery, setup and fix what is broken
>> and your time, damn right its 6K.

Since a broken upon delivery machine is not making money, the formula is
very simple...

Capital Cost = MSRP + YTL (significant unless you consider yourself
worthless) + operating costs during this time + lost revenue

Again, its over 6K. Oh, did I even suggest the time for setup, that is
another 30-60 minutes without transportation, and of course those
details are quite elaborate for a non HU, someone that tries and makes a
living on the machine. Its 6K+.

[RotaryRex]

On Nov 16, 10:38 pm, turbo20lbs <turbo20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> treborlicec;1822587 Wrote:
>
> > Sweet.  We can see the see through red apron and the purple hinge.
> > Looks like they are using the same cab decals for the LE.  More, please.
> > :)
>
> Any chance the decals will fit better than this on the LEs?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cmcyv7b
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cmenfse
>
> --
> turbo20lbs
>

> Davehttp://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/turbo20lbs

>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/turbo20lbs
> This USENET post sent from  http://rgparchive.com

Now we know why stern have so many school kids visit the factory on
tours, they get the kids to stick the decals on the cabinets. If I
had ordered a LE or even a pro for that matter i would be pissed if it
arrived with a 3rd grade decal (sticker) job.

[destruk]

Fattrain;1822566 Wrote:
> This was just posted on Stern's facebook....
>
> [image:
> http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379510_10150395443434244_136972659243_8231162_922255508_n.jpg]

Caption? "hmm...where did the playfield go???"


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destruk

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 16, 3:06 pm, Frank Furhter <fr...@furhter.com> wrote:
> By the time you ship, and take delivery, setup and fix what is broken
> and your time, damn right its 6K.

Nope. You're buying from the wrong guy. Oh wait, you're not buying
anything. So..STFU. :)

Greg

[Frank Furhter]

Nice touch with STFU. :)

I'm buying, yet not over priced china-ameri-junk coming uninspected by
non english speaking temp help, sold as NIB and broken or breaking days
after installation.

Yep, you are right, I'm not buying 'it'.

[Pinballchamp]

On Nov 12, 2:08 am, RotaryRex <jon.mar...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 11:57 pm, socal_steve <sbrei...@charter.net> wrote:
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> > On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, Joe Jet <jdeceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 9, 6:23 pm, socal_steve <sbrei...@charter.net> wrote:
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> > > > On Nov 9, 3:12 pm, Rare Hero <rarehero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Nov 9, 1:08 pm, Joe Jet <jdeceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Hmmm those parts look like about $50 worth.. nice markup.
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> > > > Some people just don't get it.
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> > > Sorry, but what am i not getting now?.... I have bought 4 NIB sterns,
> > > played all the recent ones.. not a hater and still looking forward to
> > > a new game from them that will be worth it.... just trying to
> > > understand what makes a little bling, shaker  and these playfields
> > > worth the $1K+ markup?  Play field looks underwhelming.
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> > > If i would get a TF i would get the LE for the collectable aspect..
> > > but please tell me how this is not gouging us...the collectors.
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> > > As a side point, I am getting a LE WOZ for the same price as a
> > > standard one.
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> > That one mini playfield isn't the only thing in the LE. Let's also
> > consider months of design engineering, programming, tools, software,
> > lunch, and the number of hours watching all 3 TF movies over and over
> > and over... And over. So yea, that one mini playfield is costing us
> > buyers a lot ;)
> > Or we can pretend none of the extra hours were spent on it and buy a
> > pro :)
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> Keep telling yourself that eventually you will believe it and be able
> to ignore the fact TF is underwhelming.
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> And there is nothing else to consider after seeing that lackluster
> mini playfield, there is no extra time or effort put into the LE's,
> the LEs are the completed game from the designer as originally
> designed, within the constraints of Gary, the pro is simply a cut back
> version to get a new game out faster, within the sheduled release time
> to build excitement for the complete/originally designed LEs release
> oh and the pro in hand makes some more of that green paper Gary loves
> so much while getting software tested by paying pro customers.- Hide quoted text -
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Its ok, I understand you cant afford an LE so you have to bag it!
Cant wait for mine !

[RotaryRex]

Original and thought out response there. Although none of your
business in the last couple months alone ive brought a NIB TRON LE,
NIB IM, NIB SM and funny enough I had a 1/4 deposit down on a TF which
I got refunded when stern announced the full features list and showed
the first pics of TF, so to set you straight it's nothing to do with
affording one it's just my honest disappointment in the game. And the
way those decals have been applied look like shit, there is no
ignoring that unless your shortsighted aswell as small minded.

[Revo76]

Look at the apron on the second game, the one behind them.
Seems they are going for red transparent aprons.....

[Jonathan Haggerty]

On Nov 17, 9:46 am, Revo76 <hmang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Look at the apron on the second game, the one behind them.
> Seems they are going for red transparent aprons.....

Like RFM

[Lloyd Olson]

Looks like one. But it could be the prototype, not necessarily what will get
shipped. LTG :)

"johns327" <john...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> only one coin slot or is the post blocking the other one?
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> johns327

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 18, 11:13 am, "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
> Looks like one. But it could be the prototype, not necessarily what will get
> shipped.  LTG :)

All the LE's have red transparent aprons.

Greg

[socal_steve]

Did you see the latest pic on sterns Facebook? They're doing the photo
shoot today so knowing photographers, we won't see anything til mon or
tues. but hopefully they'll let one pic out at least.

FYI. The Facebook pic you can see a teaser of the very front of an LE.
Hard to see the apron but it looks to be transparent.

[Rare Hero]

On Nov 18, 11:45 am, socal_steve <sbrei...@charter.net> wrote:
> Did you see the latest pic on sterns Facebook? They're doing the photo
> shoot today so knowing photographers, we won't see anything til mon or
> tues. but hopefully they'll let one pic out at least.
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> FYI. The Facebook pic you can see a teaser of the very front of an LE.
> Hard to see the apron but it looks to be transparent.

I know they're doing the professional beauty shots ...but I wish
they'd just snap some quick pics w/ their iPhone or something and show
us!

Greg

[Tom G WI]

You can see two coin return holes at the bottom of the coin door so I
would assume 2.

Lloyd Olson;1823983 Wrote:
> Looks like one. But it could be the prototype, not necessarily what will
> get
> shipped. LTG :)
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> > only one coin slot or is the post blocking the other one?
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[Beechwood]

Rare Hero;1824020 Wrote:
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> I know they're doing the professional beauty shots ...but I wish
> they'd just snap some quick pics w/ their iPhone or something and show
> us!
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> Greg

Oh heck no!! Can you imagine the furor that would create. "They are so
cheap they use a phone to release pics.." etc. etc.

Patience is the key. I can't even fathom what is going to happen
leading up to SR's new pin. Every pic, detail, etc as its release gets
close is gonna shut RPG down!! :)


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Beechwood

Joel
HIOP
"Hey, Its Only Pinball!!"

[pinball94]

>> Any chance the decals will fit better than this on the LEs?

>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink


> This really bothers me actually. Look at the decal around the shooter housing! Please tell me this was a test machine on location somewhere...

> Hugh


These pictures were taken at the expo and this was from the one setup
by Trent's tournament. Every Transformers I seen at the expo had the
same issue and there was around 7 machines for the launch party. Some
varied in degree, but I have yet to see one nicely centered. The
decals are already pre-cut, so I don't think they can center it around
the shooter and the trim the excess along the sides like you normally
would on decals. They also fold over the edges around 1/4" on the
sides, so you can see and feel it under the other decal which I felt
was a little tacky.

Maybe all these machines were considered "test" machines since they
were there for the launch party, but I really don't see them fixing it
going forward. I know this doesn't not effect gameplay, but
considering the cost of these machines I was a little disappointed. I
guess we will have to wait and see how they look on the LE's before
passing judgment because if we complain now then all the stern fanboys
will jump in and say it's fit for use in a commercial environment and
WMS/Bally always had issues out of the box. But considering the LE's
are geared towards the home collector market I would hope they set a
higher standard on quality control. One can only wish is guess....