TECH: My awesome wife bought me a WMS EM. Need Help

[railbender]

My wife came home with an EM from a yardsale a little while back and I am fully looking into getting it running. I am still amazed so I have to get this baby going.

Games is Williams Stato-Flite

The game appears to not be fully resetting because when I turn it on and hit the left flipper button, the flipper fires and the game is on and will play.

In most cases, if I manually actuate the reset relay,
1) the score motor starts to run and continues until I turn if off.
2) The reset bank will continue to fire until I turn it off.
3) all the score reels will reset to 0
4) and the two relays in the backbox on the lower left (I assume these are the 10 and 100 point relays) will continue to fire until I turn the game off.

If instead of hitting the reset relay, I get a ball and play the game, when the ball drains, the 1000 point bonus will run/score continuously most of the time until I turn the game off.

The outhole eject and the top eject hole never will fire if the ball goes in there. but the pop bumpers and other kickers work.

I have cleaned all the steppers as best I can.
I have cleaned all the score reel switches as best I know.

I probably could most use help either figuring out what those relays on the schematic are called so I can see what makes them fire. Or what shuts off power to the flipper so I can start at that part of the problem.

I have been reading pinrepair for the last month and sometimes can get the game into a state where I am getting somewhere. But then I get back to this condition and realize I haven’t learned as much as I though.

Thanks for any help, this game makes system 3 games look easy to fix.

Kenny

[FredMaine]

Does anything behave differently with the playfield unplugged from the
rest?

Also, there is a startup sequence for '70's Williams games down in
section 5.2 of this document:
http://tinyurl.com/6ejla54

Even if you don't know what each relay does (Start Relay, Reset Relay,
etc) find an clean/adjust the switches on these. You might bump into
something obvious along the way.


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[FredMaine]

[Frank Furhter]

railbender wrote:
> Williams Stato-Flite

Your wife is telling you she is not interested in you any more.

http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?gid=2398

LOL, seriously!?!

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[William Brower]

Let see some HD videos and pictures of the "Great Games" you have,
Todd. You are all talk and the biggest asshole fuckface on this
group...die already.

Kenny, it looks like a fun game...Good-Luck

Bill

[railbender]

Thanks Bill,

Fred gave some good advice. I disconnected the plugs that connected the head and the reset bank and head relays (obviously) don't fire anymore.

Also Now, I can consistently press the latch relay associated with the game over relay and the flippers would lose power. If I hit the reset relay after hitting the game over latch I normally don't have the score motor run continuously.

As a software guy, I don't feel that I have the ability to completely reproduce this defect yet.

Let me know if you have any suggestions.

Kenny

[FredMaine]

Kenny, I asked about the playfield unplugged because sometimes when
there's a stuck playfield switch, it will make relays or units
continuously fire. If everything is plugged in -except- the playfield,
and the relays in the head stop firing, it may point you to something
wrong on the playfield.

Re: the score motor stops when you manually pull the reset bar, I had
that recently happen to my 2-player GTB Airport. For me, it ended up
being a reset relay with a poorly gapped switch.

Very generally speaking, during reset a few things have to happen; score
reels reset, ball count goes back to beginning, etc, and one of these
things is not indicating to the machine that it's done - even though it
may be. Things that step down need the score motor to give it pulses
for the stepping; something is indicating that it still needs pulses, so
on it runs.

That's why I mentioned looking at the switches on relays involved in the
start-up sequence.

[Scott McClure]

If you have a schematic, make sure all switches, including motor
switches, associated with the reset relay are clean and properly gapped.
If your reels are at zero, something else is causing the reset relay
not to drop out. Make sure all score reel runout switches are open at
zero, and go from there.


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Scott McClure

[railbender]

> switches, associated with the reset relay are clean and properly gapped.
>
> If your reels are at zero, something else is causing the reset relay
>
> not to drop out. Make sure all score reel runout switches are open at
>
> zero, and go from there.
>

I spent some time today starting to understand the schematics and how these relays are connected by tracing wires.

I do notice that when I hit the reset relay, all the score reels reset but none of the stepper units do. I have cleaned them also, and can get them to step up, step down or reset nicely by hand, but not a single one fires not matter what I do with the relays.

How do I check power at these stepper coils ?

For example, the bonus unit doesn't reset and the bonus unit relay stays on and the score motor continues to run. When I reset the bonus unit back to close the swich, everything stops like expected.

Thanks for any help,

Kenny

[Sean Kavanagh]

Your wife's a keeper...but you probably knew that... ;o)

If you don't have them already - order a schematic and especially a
manual for this game. Williams ruled at documentation and inside the
manual it tells which switches do what for every relay and motor
switch. What makes those steppers reset is clearly labeled...

Sean