I called because I recently posted my Spiderman for trade on the
group. I was only looking for a trade but received numerous offers to
buy my Spiderman as far away as Australia. I figured let me call
Stern to inquire about a price increase along with the number of units
scheduled for 2010. If I do decide to sell my Spiderman it would be
based on market availability new, with fair depreciaton for my HUO.
Sterns reply, no more license, no 2010 production. What would you
call the pin without the Spiderman character on the artwork and
playfield...Flyman?
If true then we could see this title skyrocket in price in the coming
future. LOTR and TSPP had large runs and they are plentiful but S-M I
think is a top of the list Stern. Supply and demand will cause this
to possibly fetch Medieval pricing !
Yes but Disney now owns Marvell comics and Disney wont deal with
Stern. Also, as much as we dont want it to happen I think stern has
reached the end of the line.
Just curious, why won't Disney deal with Stern.
"Yes but Disney now owns Marvell comics and Disney wont deal with
Stern"
More speculation or did you actually talk to managment. I hear the
world is going to end 2012 too.
Lewis
> reached the end of the line.- Hide quoted text -
I am just repeating what someone here said that knows more about
pinball than I do which was that after POTC Disney wouldnt deal with
Stern anymore or vise versa. It has been said more than once I think.
That doesn't make it a fact especially if it's on RGP. Alot of great
stuff about tech on pinballs here but when it comes to speculation of
what Stern is thinking or doing this group is in the dark. Just my
thoughts. Spiderman is a really cool game and with more movies
planned I think they will re-run the game again unless the worst
happens and no more Stern.
Lewis
> Stern anymore or vise versa. It has been said more than once I think.- Hide quoted text -
Don't quote me, not sure but I remember a post about the Disney
license rights to the POTC ship, something about Disney owning the
rights to the pirate ship and not allowing Stern to reproduce the
toys. I have a gut feeling the royalty costs to Disney in additon to
the license is probably obscene, afterall why would Disney need anyone
but Disney to profit on any of their characters. It would not suprise
me if Disney just told Stern pay us X amount for a new license, plus X
amount for each pin sold or no renewed license rights on their
characters. If it's true that Disney now owns Marvel then Spiderman,
Venom, Doc Oc, Green Goblin, Sandman all belong to Disnery, starts to
make some sense.
Uh Oh! You're Done. Here you go: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/disney-buy-marvel-billion/story?id=8452594
Disney is a big company and Marvel has tons of existing licensing they
have to maintain during and after this acquisition, so just because
they were acquired by Disney doesn't necessarily mean they will
immediately become as much of a pain to deal with as Disney on
licensing.
Unless Stern simply refuses to deal with any division of Disney, it
would seem reasonable to think they still have the option of giving
Marvel/Disney licensing money in the future if they really wanted to.
Also, if for some reason Disney wants more money for the toys, they
could just skip them like they did with LOTR SE.
> Uh Oh! You're Done. Here you go:http://abcnews.go.com/Business/disney-buy-marvel-billion/story?id=845...- Hide quoted text -
Check out the video of Marvel Creator Stan Lee on ABC, sitting in his
office with a Spiderman pinball. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/disney-buy-marvel-billion/story?id=8452594
Oh! wait a minute, it's a Gottlieb Spiderman, what a cheap skate, guy
with all that cash from Disney, and he can't even afford an upgrade to
a new Stern Spiderman.
]
> Uh Oh! You're Done. Here you go:http://abcnews.go.com/Business/disney-buy-marvel-billion/story?id=845...- Hide quoted text -
Where did you read that I stated in concrete that Disney and Stern are
done, just speculating. I never even knew that Disney purchased
Marvel until it was posted here, not by me. The link I posted was
confirmation to the facts of that transaction. What I said in my
original post if you care to scroll up and read it...was the Licensing
rights for Spiderman are expiring at the end of this year, that's
according to the Sales Dept. at Stern, the "Spideman title is now
shelved and will never be produced again" so I said why not just renew
the license since Spiderman is a hot seller, reply was that it's not
going to happen under any circumstances. I'm speculating here, but I
think Stern got blind sided on the license contract. If you care to
research with the licensing divisinion at Disney, perhaps you can then
share your findings with the rest of the pin community. I could be
wrong, but don't expect any future reruns on Spiderman or POTC. I'm
sure there are bigger fish on here with closer ties to Stern who can
either confirm, deny, provide other information to the facts.
Especially LOTR, I never would have believed they would rerun any
LOTRs so long after the Whitestar system had been mothballed. So I
wouldn't bet a nickle against a $50 gold eagle that there will be no
more SM reruns.
I can't confirm this but Gary should have said that they couldn't get
the chest of POTC anymore and that's the reason why POTC is done. This
was the exact same thing they said with LOTR, no figurines, no LOTR.
And I've actually never heard that the ship was a problem by licensing
for POTC...
My opinion is that when there's enough demand there will be another
run!
Same thing was said a few weeks or months ago about Shrek against a
distributor and now you can order them again so I wouldn't be to sure.
And actually I can't blame Stern for not sharing it with you cause
what does it matter if you know? What does it matter for your game?
It's not that the price is going to change immediately. Plus the fact
that it was said already that SM was done and yet here we are with
another rerun!
> Yes but Disney now owns Marvell comics and Disney wont deal with
> Stern. Also, as much as we dont want it to happen I think stern has
> reached the end of the line.
Dude you have that 100% backwards. Stern didn't want to deal with Disney
any more after all the hassle getting things approved with POTC. Stern
isn't on any Disney sh*t list, AFAIK.
--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
web or on DVD?
> And actually I can't blame Stern for not sharing it with you cause
> what does it matter if you know? What does it matter for your game?
> It's not that the price is going to change immediately. Plus the fact
> that it was said already that SM was done and yet here we are with
> another rerun!
More to the point, it's a case of managing expectations. If Stern told
somebody that there is *probably* going to be another run of SM, and as a
a result he did something dumbass like sell his game based on that
information, and *then* the next run of S-M fell through, that guy would
be HIGHLY pissed off. (Holy complex sentence, batman!!)
Yeah, you laugh, but people do dumbass stuff like that all the time. So
pretty much unless whoever you're asking knows you or it's 100% certain
that a title is already going to be re-run, then the current run is
ALWAYS the last time it's going to be run.
(Similar to the way that the game on the line is ALWAYS the best game
they've ever produced.)
Wouldn't it be something if they made some more SM's in the black
version?
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6863152
Guys I did say I wasnt sure, that it was something I remember hearing
here and I also said it was ether Disney or Stern that said it wouldnt
deal with the other.
This is how these things start. You start speculating on something
you pull out of thin air and then someone else agrees with you and now
all of a sudden it's fact!! Your constant speculating on something
you know nothing about just causing more and more misinformation.
Have fun speculating what Gary is having for lunch.
that's
according to the Sales Dept. at Stern, the "Spideman title is now
shelved and will never be produced again"
I'm trying to get you to understand that they always say this about
titles they just ran. They said it with Spiderman before, Simpsons,
Shrek, Batman and LOTR and all those titles were run again so why now
would it be any different when YOU call Stern.
Lewis
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>
> Where did you read that I stated in concrete that Disney and Stern are
> done, just speculating. I never even knew that Disney purchased
> Marvel until it was posted here, not by me. The link I posted was
> confirmation to the facts of that transaction. What I said in my
> original post if you care to scroll up and read it...was the Licensing
> rights for Spiderman are expiring at the end of this year, that's
> according to the Sales Dept. at Stern, the "Spideman title is now
> shelved and will never be produced again" so I said why not just renew
> the license since Spiderman is a hot seller, reply was that it's not
> going to happen under any circumstances. I'm speculating here, but I
> think Stern got blind sided on the license contract. If you care to
> research with the licensing divisinion at Disney, perhaps you can then
> share your findings with the rest of the pin community. I could be
> wrong, but don't expect any future reruns on Spiderman or POTC. I'm
> sure there are bigger fish on here with closer ties to Stern who can
> either confirm, deny, provide other information to the facts.- Hide quoted text -
The $$$ involved are likely not worth Disney's effort.
If they re-run 200 SMs, and let's say that Disney's licensing fee is
$500 per machine, we're talking about a take of $100,000.
That's a lot to you and me, but I feel for Disney to "Waste their
time" would require a larger potential return.
Of course, you can bump either of these figures 10X and get the
equation to a Million dollars, but I fear that would be an incredible
stretch give the current pinball marketplace.
Steve
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Also, from a marketing standpoint it makes sense for Stern to tell
people "this is the last run ever!" because if they told you there would
be another, you'd wait to buy it later. If you thought THIS was your
last chance to buy NIB and you wanted NIB, you would buy NOW! Its not in
their best interest to discourage people from buying a game now.
As a Black Spider-Man owner, I would be OUTRAGED!!! (a bit of an
exaggeration there.)
Especially since BSM was a numbered limited edition and not just a
LE for the sake of calling it LE (LOTR LE style). Honestly if the
number isn't set and it's different from the original machine it
should be called Special Edition....but then again if it missing
things the original had (the figures) it's not really that special
either. More like LOTR 2nd Edition.
So I guess calling it Black Spider-Man Limited Not-So-Special
Edition (and have the villain figures missing) would be OK with me.
Gary, get to work on that.
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"DugFreez" <dugf...@live.com> wrote in message
news:4f03ac9c-bd9c-4c78...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Let's see what's available for Spiderman inventory in 6 months, others
on here who have offered to buy mine were told that it's not for sale,
just for trade at the moment. It's not a PR post to hype up the value
of mine. Spiderman stands on it's own with regards to supply and
demand. If you own one I would keep it, judging by the emails in my
inbox, real bitch to find this title at the moment.
Hahhaha the old pump and dump routine!! Your done!!
Lewis
> Spiderman, 2007 Stern
> Mint home use only stern spiderman, original owner with only 251 total
> plays, purchased last year, original shipping box included. I'm
> looking to do a local trade for a fully shopped nice domestic monster
> bash in NJ, NY or CT. I cannot transport or ship. Please email with
> any questions.
> Fred
> Mountain Lakes, New Jersey, Northern NJ
>
>
>
> Hahhaha the old pump and dump routine!! Your done!!
> Lewis
FWIW...
That ad was posted on November 12th, 2009. (Contact info on Mr. Pinball is
the OP's email address.)
This thread was started on November 13th, 2009.
On Nov 16, 9:24 am, TheKorn <TheK...@TheKorn.Net> wrote:
> Juan_Fingers <lewbe...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b914d529-1612-452c-a939-
> 7b47790b3...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
The Gottlieb pin is based directly off the comics (which Stan wrote
the first 100 issues where almost all of these characters were created
except venom) The Stern one is based on the movies which bastardized
the original stories.
Either that or he didn't want to look at the hobgoblin on the
slingshot.
Or newer pinballs are too fast for 87 year olds.
Hey alive-cds did you take the short bus to school? Where do you read
that I'm trying to SELL it. If that was the case it would have been
gone already. Yes, it is the only Spiderman listed "FOR TRADE" on
Mr.Pinball, listing reads for a "Monster Bash Trade" only. Why don't
you get out your Sherlock Holmes glasses and find the ad where I
listed my Spiderman "FOR SALE" you won't find it listed with a price
tag. I have passed on multiple offers to sell it outright, had 2
offers to trade for an MB, not really on my top ten list to move
Spiderman out of the game room. So Sherlock, Spiderman is not listed
for sale, but thanks for twisting it around to make it look that way.
> On Nov 15, 3:40�pm, alive-cds <alive-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Lame. Someone is just hoping to artificially create demand for SM so
>> he can get a little more money since he is trying to sell his.
>> Seriously the guy who already owns one calls Stern to see if they are
>> making any more next year and reports back that they aren't. Duh! If
>> Stern said they were going to make them indefinitely do you think he'd
>> tell us that??
>
> Hey alive-cds did you take the short bus to school? Where do you read
> that I'm trying to SELL it.
Value is independent of whether you're trying to sell or trade it. If it's
worth more, then it's worth more in a trade as well as a straight sale.
Marvel owns Spider-Man.
Marvel licenses the rights to create a movie, as well as items related
to that movie to Sony Pictures.
Sony Pictures takes the Spider-Man license that they have now received
and write contracts with other people for other items based on the
movies, such as action figures and costumes.
Stern licenses from Sony Pictures the rights to create a Spider-Man
pinball machine.
Because of how the licenses were probably written up, part of the
money Sony gets in the licensing agreement for the pinball machine
also goes to Marvel.
Now, with the Disney layer added, the only thing that has changed is
that some of that licensing agreement money from Marvel also goes to
Disney.
And, if there is money to be made in it, I can't believe that Stern
wouldn't work with Disney again. If they could be guaranteed a POTC-
sized run, I bet they'd go through the hassle in a heartbeat.
5th line down: If I do decide to sell my Spiderman...
Trade/Sell all the same. You called Stern to tell us they will no
longer be produced. Basically saying better get it now while you can
and it just so happens you have one you are trying to part with. I
didn't even see your ad on MrPinball. It was just so painfully obvious
you are trying to hype up the prices when it comes time for you to
start wheelin' and dealin' your SM.
You were only looking for a trade...you really want us to believe that
is someone offered you some crazy money thinking they wouldn't be
produced anymore that you would turn him down and say trades only? And
I rode the short bus??