AC/DC premium teaser vid

[mnpinball]

From the PinPin guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6aMD0pw-U

[John I]

mnpinball;1906259 Wrote:
> From the PinPin guys.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6aMD0pw-U

Goose bumps. Can't wait...

John


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[Tenacious T]

The Holiday Season ? - Oh St.Patrick's Day ! Holding out that long
on us ! So how does the ball get down to the lower playfield ? Or
does it stay down there ?

[Captain Neo]

On Mar 16, 5:27 pm, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the PinPin guys.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6aMD0pw-U

I like how angus kicks his leg out with the band animations.

[destruk]

It would have to stay down there, just like the ball remains on the
Family Guy mini playfield the whole game. It also saves a lot of money
on VUKs and playfield holes.


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destruk

[Rob T]

The moving band members looks a bit corny to me.


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Rob T

[Detroitboy]

+1

[yetterben]

Band looks horrible but meh i am not buying anyway. Should have thrown a
small lcd there with tour footage :)


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yetterben

[vectorbeam81]

Rob T;1906300 Wrote:
> The moving band members looks a bit corny to me.

How can you even tell with that awful ADHD style of editing. Different
shot every second.


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vectorbeam81

[kevinl]

On Mar 16, 3:27 pm, mnpinball <mnpinb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the PinPin guys.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6aMD0pw-U

The best part of that video were the end credits. Lots of credit given
to iMovie and Jefferey Rank, Music by Slayer! Good stuff.

[Jonathan Haggerty]

Say what you want but that lower playfield looks atrocious!

[llabrevlis]

On Mar 17, 2:14 am, Jonathan Haggerty <spartanh...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Say what you want but that lower playfield looks atrocious!

All you can hope for is that it plays better than it looks!! I agree,
it's pretty ugly, but then so is the face on the pro and it didn't
bother me nearly as much as I thought it would while I was playing it.

Dale

[T-Rex]

This game just looks terrible and for them to be charging $7k+ for the
LE's is just rediculous especially when they haven't even finished the
last machine they put out. I was very close to pulling the trigger on
this one again but after the last fiasco I decided to wait and see what
it was going to be and I'm very happy I waited. I will be spending my
$7k on something better than this.


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T-Rex

[Steven]

On Mar 17, 12:20 pm, T-Rex <pinball...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> This game just looks terrible and for them to be charging $7k+ for the
> LE's is just rediculous especially when they haven't even finished the
> last machine they put out. I was very close to pulling the trigger on
> this one again but after the last fiasco I decided to wait and see what
> it was going to be and I'm very happy I waited. I will be spending my
> $7k on something better than this.

Well, I don't have a salary high enough so I can't afford new pinball
game(s), so I'm not 'in' any pinball purchase at all (and therefore, I
hope, quite unbiased), but I don't think the game is ugly. I think
having the ball rolling over the 'glass' of the mini-playfield looks
cool and the rest looks ok to good too. Not perfect, but hey, there
are a lot of pinballs around that could have been made better looking.
And the TF-update coming up, will hopefully finish it. I think the
last few pinballs (TRON, TF and ACDC) will end up with finished
software, according to 'the word on the street'. And 'finished' is
always debatable: a lot of games, old and new, could use improvement
in certain aspects. That doesn't make all those game unfinished. A few
really are unfinished, which I think is a mistake (be is Sterns or a
(very?) few B/W titles, but if I had one of the last few Stern
releases, I wouldn't worry much.

Though I don't like prices going up any more than the next guy, I
don't understand the negative comments a lot of people tend to give on
every new game. Some without any real comment, just that the game
'sucks' (no explanation).
If I had the money, I'd go for WOZ (for it has a lot in it) and TRON
(I really like the looks and the 3rd flipper-shots), and no ACDC, for
that theme doesn't really do it for me, but still I'm excited about
the game, think it looks quite good and I think there's a lot of cool
stuff in it. I don't care for the Transformers theme, but I can
imagine the game being really fun.

Anyway, back ontopic: thanks for the teaser vid. I'd rather see some
longer vid of the gameplay, but it's still a lot better than
nothing :).

[stevenp]

Wow. Stunned. That is the "animatronic" band toy? Looks like a
low-budget clip from South Park. And why are those eyes and mouth
inserts on the lower pf? That makes it look like Iron Man's head down
there.

Seriously, people are paying thousands of dollars for this???? Amazing.
Stern wins.


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stevenp

[Detroitboy]

On Mar 16, 8:38 pm, Rob T <rob...@charter.net> wrote:

The animation looks like the guy on the "gong show" from back in the
mid 80's where he had 5 dummies attached to a bracket on his arms and
legs to make them all dance together like Michael Jackson! Cheesy for
that kind of money for sure.

[mnpinball]

Another Vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu7QevU3wHM&feature=related

[John I]

mnpinball;1906693 Wrote:
>
>
> Another Vid.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu7QevU3wHM&feature=related

Thanks again. Train, bell, jukebox, band, plunger, etc all looks great.


Queue the same old haters to trash this video too.

John


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John I

[kcpinballfan]

That band animation would look better if they were moving slower and
not all linked together. I like the idea of mini lcd with concert or
video footage. Maybe show the video for whichever song you choose. I
wonder if this is a possibility for a mod or if its completely out of
reach?

[nwojedi]

looks good. It's not worth the $6100 price tag tho. Until Sterns goes
back to giving you the whole game for the $3500-4500 range, I will not
be buying them NIB anymore. Regardless of theme, toys or whatever.


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nwojedi

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[Gerry]

sounds doable to me

[nwojedi]

what would better instead of the AC/DC thing in back of the moving band,
that should be all a animated screen with concert type stage show stuff
going on in the background. Pyro, laser show, and what not. That would
help justify the $2000 increase.

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nwojedi

* C a p t a i n N e o *
Pinball Playfield restoration service at:
_www.Captainneo.com (\"http://www.captainneo.com\")__:D

[yetterben]

Gerry;1906752 Wrote:
> On Mar 17, 6:40*pm, kcpinballfan <kcpira... (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 5:09*pm, mnpinball <mnpinb... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 17, 10:46*am, Steven <steven.vander.sta... (AT) gmail (DOT)
> com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Mar 17, 12:20*pm, T-Rex <pinball... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:
> >
> > > > > This game just looks terrible and for them to be charging $7k+
> for the
> > > > > LE's is just rediculous especially when they haven't even
> finished the
> > > > > last machine they put out. I was very close to pulling the
> trigger on
> > > > > this one again but after the last fiasco I decided to wait and
> see what
> > > > > it was going to be and I'm very happy I waited. I will be
> spending my
> > > > > $7k on something better than this.
> >
> > > > Well, I don't have a salary high enough so I can't afford new
> pinball
> > > > game(s), so I'm not 'in' any pinball purchase at all (and
> therefore, I
> > > > hope, quite unbiased), but I don't think the game is ugly. I
> think
> > > > having the ball rolling over the 'glass' of the mini-playfield
> looks
> > > > cool and the rest looks ok to good too. Not perfect, but hey,
> there
> > > > are a lot of pinballs around that could have been made better

> looking..

> > not all linked together. I like the idea of *mini lcd with concert or
> > video footage. *Maybe show the video for whichever song you choose. I
> > wonder if this is a possibility for a mod or if its completely *out

> of
> > reach?
>
> sounds doable to me

Very doable. Wonder why "The King" couldn't think of a lcd... First
thing that popped in my head when i saw that was a 7" lcd with built in
sdflash. Get a piece of plexi in front to protect screen. Problem is
these older designers are just tired man. Not very innovative with
things. shit the whole bottom playfield could have been a lcd with plexi
surface. Animated flames Ritchie devil head screaming at you on the
screen....... But you know whatevs lol. WOuld not have been hard at all.
Game looks Tops though except the band but it is neat.


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yetterben

[yetterben]

I realize that might have come off wrong on the "Tired" thing. But i
think some of the old timers are not thinking about new founded tech.
Seems like jpop has the right idea with the school. NEw blood and all..I
DIGRESS. If pinball is ever to come out of the 90's it needs tech.

[phishrace]

On Mar 17, 5:04 pm, yetterben <yetter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I realize that might have come off wrong on the "Tired" thing. But i
> think some of the old timers are not thinking about new founded tech.
> Seems like jpop has the right idea with the school. NEw blood and all..I
> DIGRESS. If pinball is ever to come out of the 90's it needs tech.

A 7" LCD with rotating pics is new founded tech? Is that what you're
trying to say? I disagree and think it's a horrible idea. Don't quit
your day job.

The armchair game designers here are getting out of control. You guys
are pathetic. Play the fucking game, then tell us how you like it.
Until then, please STFU. Bashing based on pics and videos make you
look like shallow morons. HTH

-phish

[rly...@carolina.rr.com]

phishrace;1906769 Wrote:

Gotta agree. When people talk about bring 'new tech' into pinball to
'bring it out of the 90's'.... the 'new tech' is always an LCD screen
(that came out in what, the early 90's?) and internet connectivity (late
80's?)


--
RLy...@carolina.rr.com

[yetterben]

Right and in 5 years when the old fuck dies? Think what you will p2k was
the future lol.


--
yetterben

[yetterben]

jpop had a clue dmd right on the pf. AS of right now also the only
designer outside the box

[yetterben]

Also i believe most of the comments here are on the band. SO i guess if
you think it looks good you think it looks good. Or does one have to be
in front on it to determine it doesn't look good? Not gonna waste
bandwidth so have at it.

[pins4fun]

On Mar 17, 8:20 pm, phishrace <phishr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> A 7" LCD with rotating pics is new founded tech? Is that what you're
> trying to say? I disagree and think it's a horrible idea. Don't quit
> your day job.
>
> The armchair game designers here are getting out of control. You guys
> are pathetic. Play the fucking game, then tell us how you like it.
> Until then, please STFU. Bashing based on pics and videos make you
> look like shallow morons. HTH
>
> -phish

>Bashing based on pics and videos make you look like shallow morons.

Would they have looked to you eminently wise and utterly qualified if
they had sung songs of praise instead, based on these underwhelming
pics and videos?

>You guys are pathetic. Play the fucking game, then tell us how you like it. Until then, please STFU.

After all these insults and profanities, you'd still expect feedback
from these pathetic morons?

Here's an honest feedback for what it's worth: this machine looks too
confused and rushed, and painted like a floozy.

[Pinball Life]

The swinging bell looks very cool. Just sayin'.
Terry.


--
Pinball Life

[pins4fun]

It's a BIG bell, but it's not the one that's gonna take me to hell.
If I must, I'd prefer the Reaper's cowbells personally, stricktly
comparatively speaking, that is :)

[kcpinballfan]

I don't need to play the game to know that the Terrance and Phillip
band display looks goofy. I just was wondering if it was possible to
make a mod on the acdc machine I've already purchased. As far as I'm
concerned if I laid down the money ill critique this motherfucker
however I see fit.

So in your eyes its either you're a fanboy and if you're not then
you're a moron. Gtfo

[Jcraigcx]

I'm excited about the upcoming LCD stuff, but I think replacing a cool
mechanical toy with a screen is going too far. I like the kinda
throw-back, mechanical, animation. There is a certain charm that seems
to be under-appreciated here.

It's like taking the kids to Disney... sure, all the mechanical gadgets
inside the rides could be replaced with big tv screens, but what fun is
that?

-Craig


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Jcraigcx

[pins4fun]

We're not talking about mechanical toys vs. video here. If that were
the case, we all would've been "gamers", not pinball enthusiast!

[mECHsLAVE]

It'd be a lot less fun around here if nobody gave their opinions on the first pics and vids. Honestly, I'm of the opinion that you'd have Angus' face on the lower playfield if not for the RGP opinions. (I know, I know..they said otherwise but that doesn't add up at all). It's very clear that Stern is a puppet on strings which are currently held by the collecor opinion machine.

I prefer mechanical devices to video devices, sure, and the moving band would be preferable to a small lcd screen showing concert footage. But the device itself is a little underwhelming. Looks like a neat mechanical animation for a wedgehead.

The bell does look cool, and that could be a very interesting shot. The shots and sounds, and the lighting changes, are where this game will hopefully shine. The art and toys don't wow me. But you're right in that you never know until you play in person, but isn't that a given when people give opinions based purely on pics. Do we have to give that disclaimer every time now?

[seeburg220]

The incessant clicking of the band members moving back and forth,
remind me of a stuck turn signal on a '74 Duster.

[Chad H]

seeburg220;1907071 Wrote:
> The incessant clicking of the band members moving back and forth,
> remind me of a stuck turn signal on a '74 Duster.

I'm sure you won't hear it with the playfield glass on... and the music
cranked up.


--
Chad H

[pins4fun]

I think you're missing his point. He's simply sayin' that this
"mechanical toy" reminds him of broken turn signal. Altough I too
take exception to his slur regarding the '74 Duster. I owned a '74
Duster way back when (it was a replacement for my '67 Polara) and was
heart-broken when I finally had to let that beauty go.

[jackp...@comcast.net]

On Friday, March 16, 2012 4:27:51 PM UTC-6, mnpinball wrote:
> From the PinPin guys.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6aMD0pw-U

Shout out to Trailer Tom and FFej for finding time to put something up while partying it up in Vegassss!!!!

[nwojedi]

yetterben;1906789 Wrote:
> Right and in 5 years when the old fuck dies? Think what you will p2k was
> the future lol.

P2k was the future. It's still the most innovated thing ever to grace
the pinball tables in 50 years. Even with JJP's WOZ, still doesn't
hold a candle to P2k.

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nwojedi

* C a p t a i n N e o *
Pinball Playfield restoration service at:
_www.Captainneo.com (\"http://www.captainneo.com\")__:D

[Rare Hero]

On Mar 18, 5:16 am, kcpinballfan <kcpira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't need to play the game to know that the Terrance and Phillip
> band display looks goofy.

Yeah, it does...are they all on the same coil? I imagine you'd want
separation so the drumsticks could sync up to the music while the
other band members do other things. It would have made more sense for
them to have moving hands strumming the guitars vs. the back and forth
swaying.

I'd love to see an animated toy in a pinball that is designed in an
innovative way such as this coin eating dog bank:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEcNUSvvK1k&feature=related

It looks as though there is just one motor - but look how much
animation you get out of that dog character due to the clever use of
joints! A toy with this much animation would look so cool in a
pinball machine - and it doesn't look like it would break the budget,
either...it's just clever design with a simple execution.

Greg

[yetterben]

Dont get me wrong i love old school mechanical action stuff. Just for me
i am mid 30's and if i was spending this much money i personally anyway
would want a little tv setup that shows footage naked chicks naked
chicks drug use naked chicks and some music lol.

This game and possibly all the rest to follow are over the top
expensive. I and as most others dont by the cost of Materials shit. I
Work on car as well as restoring them. I purchase steel, wood, paint
etc. I fabricate exhaust manifolds, brackets, I make shit tons of parts
every year on a one off basis and it has not gone up more than say 5-8%
in the last 5-7 years. Except for fuel.

Whats happened is Gary finally came off his Horse admitted collectors
put food on his table and decided to charge more for it. Thats fine by
me....but dont make it sound like your doing us a favor.
I think alot of people are being overly critical due to the fact of the
price.


Everyone saying lcd, lcd, lcd this and lcd that is not my point. They
want it for different reasons. I want it to make the pin more modern in
terms of video integration.

I still think like lots that p2k was the best thing to happen in 50
years. It just was not utilized correctly. I like to say ep1 and rfm
where alpha games. not even beta. I digress. To each there own.

I dunno why everybody else screams lcd maybe for dmd replacement. Not me
though.

In the end i hope everybody is happy with there games. But dont think
after Gary kicks the bucket Stern will still be around. Maybe jjp
waited so long as Gary is so close to dying....makes a great closeout
sale on the factory for jjp.

In fact i bet if jack offered Gary enough money he would sell lock stock
and barrel.

I digress and ymmv

[Rare Hero]

On Mar 18, 12:40 pm, yetterben <yetter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Whats happened is Gary finally came off his Horse admitted collectors
> put food on his table and decided to charge more for it.  Thats fine by
> me....but dont make it sound like your doing us a favor.
> I think alot of people are being overly critical due to the fact of the
> price.

Exactly - and, there's nothing wrong with that. Sure, you can call us
"armchair designers" ...but a lot of innovative stuff has come from
pinball enthusiasts outside of the "bubble". I imagine plenty of
people could have come up with more interesting "animated band" and a
functional train toy that would have fit within the same budgetary
constraints.

> Everyone saying lcd, lcd, lcd this and lcd that is not my point. They
> want it for different reasons. I want it to make the pin more modern in
> terms of video integration.

Stern was doing some semi-interesting stuff with playfield integrated
displays. Simpsons had a "color" TV on the upper playfield, WOF & WPT
had DMD displays with text/info built into the playfields. I think
these were good steps...why not a small color LCD built into a
playfield window? Imagine if Simpsons had fully animated clips in
that little TV....the recent Tron arcade mod shows how just a tiny LCD
with some animation is really, really cool! Again - a hobbyist made
that!

> I still think like lots that p2k was the best thing to happen in 50
> years. It just was not utilized correctly. I like to say ep1 and rfm
> where alpha games. not even beta. I digress. To each there own.

I feel that RFM used the technology as perfectly as it could for the
first game out the gate. Full animated characters and props that move
around and can be destroyed by the ball. I still love watching those
martians splat when it by the ball, or when the ball flies up the skip
ramp and hits a flying saucer. SWEp1 on the other hand...a "virtual
spinner"? Come on...who cares ... lol.

> I dunno why everybody else screams lcd maybe for dmd replacement. Not me
> though.

It would have benefited almost every Stern starting with Spider-Man.
Since they weren't doing much in the way of custom dots and digitizing
movie footage - might as well have had full color movie
footage...wouldn't have been a game changer, but would have looked
nice and more modern.

> In the end i hope everybody is happy with there games.

"THEIR!" Ben, c'mon!! ;)

> But dont think
> after Gary kicks the bucket Stern will still be around.  Maybe jjp
> waited so long as Gary is so close to dying....makes  a great closeout
> sale on the factory for jjp.
> In fact i bet if jack offered Gary enough money he would sell lock stock
> and barrel.

Damn dude...that's a pretty dark way of seeing shit....and Gary seems
very spry and healthy for his age.

Greg

[yetterben]

It might seem dark but its statistically true for his age. More days
have gone by compared to whats ahead.

[yetterben]

I guess my point was when new blood comes into the filed there gonna try
to incorporate as much tech as possible. Otherwise it will just die.
Current players might not like it but neither did em guys....hell didnt
they throw chimes and reel's in the first SS games to make em guys
happy?

I think Rfm was fun too however 5 games down the line would have surely
been better so to speak. If p2k and WMS had made a p2k style game in
2011 in surely would have been loaded with video on playfield action...A
lcd i for a lower pf on acdc would have kicked some serious ass. It
would have let ritchie take his devil persona a whole lot further.

Its all speculation to each there own.

[cody chunn]

Obviously phish is the last rational human being on earth, and anyone making
negative comments based on pictures and videos provided are shallow morons.

So that means all the folks gushing over the same pics and vids in a
positive manner are equally moronic shallowmites.

Who turns out to really be the shallow moron, trying to censor opinions
because they do not reflect his own? *That* is beneath pathetic.

-cody


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[stevenp]

John I;1906713 Wrote:
> Thanks again. Train, bell, jukebox, band, plunger, etc all looks great.
>
>
> Queue the same old haters to trash this video too.
>
> John

The band looks great? You're joking, right? Or did you buy this and are
trying to justify the value, convincing yourself you weren't ripped
off?

Seriously, "unlimited budget for the LE" my butt. No unlimited budget
would result in that cheesefest of an 'animated' band. A video screen
would have been cool here, as others mentioned, and well within an
'unlimited' budget. Mechanical animation is cool, I agree, but if you're
gonna do it then add some interest with clever mechanisms. The single
synched back-and-forth motion of all figures, with a couple of
free-swinging pieces, is laughable. It looks silly, not cool.

The cannon and TNT toys look totally cheap too--a handful of screened
plastics with UGLY screws and brackets all over them. Stern totally
cheaped out on this stuff, but jacked the prices up anyway. No thanks.


--
stevenp

[Rare Hero]

On Mar 18, 1:27 pm, yetterben <yetter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It might seem dark but its statistically true for his age. More days
> have gone by compared to whats ahead.

My best friend just died at 35....my grandpa just died at 97. Fuck
stats. ;)

Greg

[Rare Hero]

On Mar 18, 1:34 pm, yetterben <yetter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess my point was when new blood comes into the filed there gonna try
> to incorporate as much tech as possible.

Gaddammit Ben...THERE, THEIR, and THEY'RE ....3 different
words! ;) ;) ;)

I don't think it's necessarily tech - but just new point of views on
how to make something simple look complex....or just totally different
reveals and ball tricks that we've never seen before. That's why I
posted that animated dog bank video. In materials, that probably
would cost the same as the moving Megatron or AC/DC band...but LOOKS
way cooler. I think Stern games have always been fun...but I think
I've finally had that "ah-hah!" moment that many others reached a
while ago - it's fun, but - nothing really "new".

Greg

[yetterben]

Rare Hero;1907406 Wrote:

Thats Greta thanks for the their there they're lesson.

[stevenp]

yetterben;1907430 Wrote:
> Thats Greta thanks for the their there they're lesson.

Even better if you actually learned the difference and used them
properly in the future. My money is on the "won't happen" line.


--
stevenp

[yetterben]

Sure wont i will make a point to misspell it now too. Just cause it
bothers you Steve. :)


--
yetterben

[rly...@carolina.rr.com]

yetterben;1907242 Wrote:
> It might seem dark but its statistically true for his age. More days

> have gone by compared to whats ahead. Same goes for the
> designers......who we gonna have left if the big 3 go? Borg? Nordman?


Isn't Jack as old as Gary?


--
RLy...@carolina.rr.com

[Rare Hero]

On Mar 18, 7:08 pm, yetterben <yetter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sure wont i will make a point to misspell it now too. Just cause it
> bothers you Steve. :)

C'mon Ben, don't do the "pride in ignorance" thing....learn &
grow! :)

Greg

[Snailman]

Yes, the animated band moves just like T&P from Southpark (great
reference whoever drew that parallel -- it's spot on), and looks
cheesy.

But that swinging bell looks awesome.

Oh, and when I play this game I plan on being too engrossed actually
_playing_ the game to care how the band moves. If the Prem/LE are even
at par with the depth of the rules/gameplay/flow/music/sound I
experienced playing the Pro, then I think it will be a great game.


--
Snailman

[cody chunn]

I have the impression that while you are playing and unable to watch the
band directly, you will catch their movement in your periphery and it will
register just like the band would on stage, banging to the beat.

Singled out under a microscope it might appear cheesy, but as an aspect of
the whole game I think it will be just fine.

Take the Elvis figure. By himself, he's kind of klunky and awkward. But in
the game he's a living, moving Elvis and totally "works". ACDC will likely
be the same type effect.

-cody


"Snailman" wrote in message news:Snailma...@rrgparchive.com...

[Rare Hero]

On Mar 20, 4:16 pm, "cody chunn" <cchu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Take the Elvis figure. By himself, he's kind of klunky and awkward. But in
> the game he's a living, moving Elvis and totally "works". ACDC will likely
> be the same type effect.

Elvis' hips move to the beat and he lifts the microphone to his face
when he sings or talks. IMO, that's a much better implementation of a
musical character than a flat plastic moving back and forth.

Greg

[Furious RON]

<<Singled out under a microscope it might appear cheesy, but as an
aspect of
the whole game I think it will be just fine.>>

+1 I think this happens a lot. But it's not our fault that we only get
bits and pieces of a game to look at until the whole game finally comes
out.


--
Furious RON

[cody chunn]

Granted, but when you play the game you don't notice either...much. You just
notice an animated figurine and your brain fills in the blanks that it's
Elvis joogin it up. I would bet you will get the same synaptic response from
acdc.

-cody


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