Help Request - Gottlieb Royal Flush 1976

[cryhav0c]

I purchased a Gottlieb Royal Flush 1976 and when I got it home the
player two Gottlieb \\\"decagon\\\" score reel was sticking. I haven't
sorted out that yet but if I press the \\\"plunger\\\" on the side it
will advance and allow the game to begin.

However that's not my big problem. We put it in it's final resting
place in the man cave and played a couple of games and we had to reset
the score reel and after that the bumpers stopped scoring and making
sound along with some of the other components.

I'm a novice working with these and any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks


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cryhav0c
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[Dr_Gonzo]

After you moved it, did you get the jones plugs back in right? Should
be 3 in the backbox I think.

[cryhav0c]

I think so. We played it a full day before we got this issue. It
caught us by surprise. We thought all was well.

[Player 3]

Check all fuses... Clean Jones plugs....consult pinwiki and Clays guides
on score reals, so you can clean the switches and adjust them if
needed....Read... Read... these guides to learn.....R. Stowe:)


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Player 3

[Frank Furhter]

cryhav0c wrote:
> I purchased a Gottlieb Royal Flush 1976 and when I got it home the
> player two Gottlieb \\\"decagon\\\" score reel was sticking.

Likely it needs cleaning. most jackwads that 'fix and flip' these
machines spray some crap on the score reel and it is munged/dirty to the
point of barely working for the sale. Learn to take them apart, its
really quite easy as I have pointed out in previous threads and put back
together clean.

> I haven't
> sorted out that yet but if I press the \\\"plunger\\\" on the side it
> will advance and allow the game to begin.

The games won't start until all the score reels zero out. THat is a
known fact in 'start up' of an EM. Googel for it, there is information
online that tells you what happens when a GTB EM goes through its 'start
up sequence'

> However that's not my big problem. We put it in it's final resting
> place in the man cave and played a couple of games and we had to reset
> the score reel and after that the bumpers stopped scoring and making
> sound along with some of the other components.

That cna happen and does. I'm guessing the game still plays but the
socring/sound no longer works. If this is the case, as many others,
just learn to clean all contacts and go back to playing/enjoying the game.

> I'm a novice working with these and any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

You are most welcome, welcome to the world of EMs. Its a great place to
play and enjoy.

> Thanks

Cheers.

[Frank Furhter]

Just a thought. Power cycle. Hit the start relay (manually engage it).
Also some from Tim in the past.

" You can check the game-over and tilt
relays, located on the bank just behind the coin
tray, (if there is one). These 2 relays have
switches that would kill all switches on the
playfield. "

Try that, and of course clean and adjust all switches. Get into it,
fuck it up, and learn from the process. Good luck.

[cryhav0c]

"That cna happen and does. I'm guessing the game still plays but the
socring/sound no longer works. If this is the case, as many others,
just learn to clean all contacts and go back to playing/enjoying the
game."

That is exactly what is happening. I just didn't know how to describe
it. I'm working on cleaning the contacts right now.

I want to thank everyone for their assistance and advice. I purchased
this machine to learn on and it's been one of my favorites from when I
was very young. My family is looking forward to enjoying it as
well...If I can get it running..LOL

[cryhav0c]

Well, as suggested, I read all about the decagon reels and rebuilt the
10 point reel for the second player, cleaned the contacts and gapped
them properly and it works fine now. Then I cleaned all Jones
connectors but that didn't have an effect on the issue with the scoring
and sound not working so I started looking for issues.

I remembered that prior to this we had won allot of games and I checked
the games mech and set it back to zero by pressing the release and then
gently cleaned the contacts.

Wallah...game started working. All happy now...nope. Thought I was.

tested game without glass on and all was fine. We put all back together
and began playing our first game and the machine went crazy. Racking up
points for no reason.

So, we shut it down and opened it back up and now we can't get the game
switch to put up a game. The machine comes on but nothing happens when
we press the game button.

The bright side is I'm learning allot!

Thanks again.

[cryhav0c]

Update:

I gently "bumped" the thing in the base cabinet that does all the
rotating when you start a game and it appears to have been "hung" It
seems to have started working for the moment. Should I clean these
contacts?

[Scott McClure]

cryhav0c;1954524 Wrote:
> Update:
>
> I gently "bumped" the thing in the base cabinet that does all the
> rotating when you start a game and it appears to have been "hung" It
> seems to have started working for the moment. Should I clean these
> contacts?

That "thing" is your score motor, and if you have never worked on one,
I'd suggest proceeding very cautiously. If you mess up the score motor
switches you'll never get the game to play correct, probably not even
get it to start.

Is this game set for free play. You said you set the credit reel to
zero. When that happens, there is a switch that will open and you won't
get the game to start if that switch is open. You either have to bend
it closed permanently, or jumper the switch.

There is a peg on the credit wheel that forces that switch open at zero.
That's where you should look.

I gotta give you credit, picking a 4 player Ax/Bx relay Gottlieb to
learn on is pretty gutsy. Great game, though. Good luck getting it
running.


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Scott McClure

[cryhav0c]

I guess I had a good dose of beginners luck today. I've been on this
project since 7am and got it done by 3:30pm. I cleaned all the points I
could find, all the plugs and cleaned the fuse holders. I rebuilt the
player 2 10 ct decagon score wheel and lubricated it. It works perfectly
now. I pretty much cleaned and reset every connection I could find. I
can't believe how much I've learned in a single day. Going to enjoy
this pinball stuff as I had a blast doing this.

The kids have been playing the machine non-stop for several hours now
without even a small issue. Yeah, I feel really lucky and I appreciate
all the input from you folks here that aimed me in the right directions.

Thanks again!


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cryhav0c

[Dr_Gonzo]

Glad you were able to get it fixed. Once you get an EM dialed in they
are pretty reliable. I had a Card Whiz, the 2 player version of Royal
Flush. Playfield was beautiful, really nice game. I regret selling it.

[Frank Furhter]

When you have a game open, with playfield up, you often get contacts
that by weight alone when in normal operating position doing stuff you
don't want. That is the glory and not so glory of EMs. Learn to gap
properly and clean and you will be miles ahead of those that don't get
it. Yes, its magic dust, pixie at times but worth the learning curve.
Keep on keepin' on.

[Frank Furhter]

Scott McClure wrote:
> cryhav0c;1954524 Wrote:
>> Update:
>>
>> I gently "bumped" the thing in the base cabinet that does all the
>> rotating when you start a game and it appears to have been "hung" It
>> seems to have started working for the moment. Should I clean these
>> contacts?
>
>
> That "thing" is your score motor, and if you have never worked on one,
> I'd suggest proceeding very cautiously. If you mess up the score motor
> switches you'll never get the game to play correct, probably not even
> get it to start.

Score motor is important, considered to be the brains of the game.

> Is this game set for free play. You said you set the credit reel to
> zero. When that happens, there is a switch that will open and you won't
> get the game to start if that switch is open. You either have to bend
> it closed permanently, or jumper the switch.

The normally open contact for credit can be closed and thus set for
replay quite easily. Some have suggested wiring a 2 point jones plug
type thing (TA and his nifty 47 points of light to do and not to do on a
pinball), as well as just taking an alligator clip, set the score reel
to zero and clamp down with the clip on the leafs that make the switch.
Take it off when you want to be on coin play (might need adjustment
after years of having an alligator clip on it).

>
> There is a peg on the credit wheel that forces that switch open at zero.
> That's where you should look.

That peg may not even be there. There is also holes in the toothed
wheel that can take the removabled max credit allowed peg. Look for it,
and if there you can use it for the zero position peg if missing. If
you do use the max credit peg for zero position, ensure the game is
setup down the road to not really be easily won and allowing more than
15 credits at a time. In other words, set it up hard/difficult to win.

> I gotta give you credit, picking a 4 player Ax/Bx relay Gottlieb to
> learn on is pretty gutsy. Great game, though. Good luck getting it
> running.

Royal Flush 4 player 1976 is a very good game, not a great game but damn
close.

[Frank Furhter]

cryhav0c wrote:
> I guess I had a good dose of beginners luck today. I've been on this
> project since 7am and got it done by 3:30pm. I cleaned all the points I
> could find, all the plugs and cleaned the fuse holders. I rebuilt the
> player 2 10 ct decagon score wheel and lubricated it. It works perfectly
> now. I pretty much cleaned and reset every connection I could find. I
> can't believe how much I've learned in a single day. Going to enjoy
> this pinball stuff as I had a blast doing this.

I *HIGHLY* recommend you buy all the "This Old Pinball" DVD videos from
pinballmuseum.org (they are by Clay Harrel, and benefits go to the
Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas). You are clearly gifted, and enthused,
and able. Watch them all, enjoy the dumb ass stupid child humor and
techniques. There is a world of info in those videos for charity.

> The kids have been playing the machine non-stop for several hours now
> without even a small issue. Yeah, I feel really lucky and I appreciate
> all the input from you folks here that aimed me in the right directions.
>
> Thanks again!

Kids and charity, what a great combo!

[Pinball Dave]

>
> You are most welcome, welcome to the world of EMs.  Its a great place to
> play and enjoy.
>
> > Thanks
>
> Cheers.

Frodd,

Is this table big enough for us all? Sell me a Zip-a-doo! I'll
give you $200 for it. I've saved it up, and I'm ready to take my seat
at the banquet.

Pinball Dave

[PB Help]

On Jun 9, 6:32 pm, cryhav0c <w2km...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I purchased a Gottlieb Royal Flush 1976 and when I got it home the
> player two Gottlieb \\\"decagon\\\" score reel was sticking.  I haven't
> sorted out that yet but if I press the \\\"plunger\\\" on the side it
> will advance and allow the game to begin.
>
> However that's not my big problem.  We put it in it's final resting
> place in the man cave and played a couple of games and we had to reset
> the score reel and after that the bumpers stopped scoring and making
> sound along with some of the other components.
>
> I'm a novice working with these and any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

I did a video on fixing those score reels here:

http://pinballhelp.com/working-with-gottlieb-ems-fixing-scoring-problems-score-reels/

Hopefully that will help.

[Frank Furhter]

Fumbling around is indeed what you were doing, and many times that can
be enough to get a game rolling. Nice of you to share your experiences
in video.

[Pinball Dave]

On Jun 11, 8:19 am, Frank Furhter <fr...@furhter.com> wrote:
> PB Help wrote:
> > On Jun 9, 6:32 pm, cryhav0c<w2km...@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> >> I purchased a Gottlieb Royal Flush 1976 and when I got it home the
> >> player two Gottlieb \\\"decagon\\\" score reel was sticking.  I haven't
> >> sorted out that yet but if I press the \\\"plunger\\\" on the side it
> >> will advance and allow the game to begin.
>
> >> However that's not my big problem.  We put it in it's final resting
> >> place in the man cave and played a couple of games and we had to reset
> >> the score reel and after that the bumpers stopped scoring and making
> >> sound along with some of the other components.
>
> >> I'm a novice working with these and any help would be greatly
> >> appreciated.
>
> > I did a video on fixing those score reels here:
>

> >http://pinballhelp.com/working-with-gottlieb-ems-fixing-scoring-probl...

>
> > Hopefully that will help.
>
> Fumbling around is indeed what you were doing, and many times that can
> be enough to get a game rolling.  Nice of you to share your experiences
> in video.

Good Morning Frodd,

Sell me an EM. I'm sure you must have a Boomerang waiting for me
to buy it for 200.

Pinball Dave

[cryhav0c]

I would appreciate any tips anyone has on how to get my 500 working.
Everything else works great but I can't get the 500 to score. Thanks in
advance.


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cryhav0c

[Player 3]

There's Probably a 500 pt relay in bottom of box...Clean and
adjust.....There is a score motor switch involved, hopefully you have a
schematic to tell you which one...Clean and adjust.....In back-box,
there is a 100 pt relay(usually M or N I forget)...Clean and
adjust....Hopefully someone with more Brains will reply, as this
Scarecrow is just about out....R. Stowe


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Player 3

[cryhav0c]

Found problem. The "points" mount on back of my score reel had vibrated
lose and came off. I found two of the screws and got some nutts that
would fit and remounted it and everything works fine now. In this
process I cleaned all the jones connectors so the machine got a good
going over as well. Thanks for posting!


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cryhav0c

[Frank Furhter]

cryhav0c wrote:
> Found problem. The "points" mount on back of my score reel had vibrated
> lose and came off. I found two of the screws and got some nutts that
> would fit and remounted it and everything works fine now. In this
> process I cleaned all the jones connectors so the machine got a good
> going over as well. Thanks for posting!
>
>

On that game it should take 5-10 mins to green pad and turtle wax clean
those plugs. About the time it takes for you to compose, edit and send
a message that you are doing it :)

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