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Pint...@gmail.com

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Jun 2, 2005, 6:21:12 PM6/2/05
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Just recently I have had my ass handed to me again on E-bay board
purchases. I fully accept the blame but I want to get the message out
to the group. IT's GETTING WORSE! I know just about all of us have had
bad e-bay experiences but we need to keep talking about it so we don't
forget.

The sellers, I believe are getting smarter about how they list thier,
"junk", and we have to pick up the pace on the buyer end and be
smarter.

It's kind of like the scammers. Too many of us have unintentionally
educated others or they just learn on thier own. We actually teach them
thier flaws and they adjust.

On circuit boards you need to see a close-up of the board, both sides,
not blurred, and really read the discription very, very, carefully.
The language used in the listings is getting tricky. I have noticed
that less stuff seems to be selling and for less money. So I think the
buying community is doing a better job.


Just to show you what I have run into:

Previous repair work: Probably means, Hack, hack, hack, wires hanging
off that are soldered to the board but not visible in any picture.
Solder pads destroyed and tiny jumpers everywhere.

I have no way to test: Probably means, I know it's bad, I hope I can
get you to think it may work and buy it. Consider it doesn't but,
hint, hint, wink, wink, it might. Anyway it didn't work. The funny
thing is everything I have ever bought with that claim of, "no way to
test", has EVER WORKED! What's the odds that all the items would be
bad? You just expect it at the time of purchase and when you see it be
pretty sure the seller knows it doesn't work. But if he/she makes that
statement, it's a nail in the item's coffin for sure.


Worked when it was shipped: This one was a good one. Without the
amplifier? How? This one is not as recent, just one of my favorites.
There was no picture, just the description.

No surface noise: This was a 45 rpm record that I just had to have for
a nostalgia reason. It looked like a garrison of army troops walked
over it. The cheesy reply I got from the seller was that I have
questionable equipment to play it on. (This is a standard cop-out for
record sellers). $4, $3 of that went to the post office, I hope he is
proud he got a buck out of me.


As-is: This one you really got to accept the blame on. It's legal
jargon for I'm sticking it to you no matter what. But it is a final
and you have to accept it.

I now have a redflag list of E-bay sellers and I just added two more
this week. If you are curious about who and what I have bought just
check my E-bay handle "Pinthetic" for feedback and it's there. I think
that is common information.

And before you fire up the flame thrower I have stated that the
purchases are purely my ignorance and lack of better judgement. I have
been doing this long enough to know better. Just got caught up into
too many things recently and got careless.

But the main message is I think it is getting worse. Maybe the quality
of boards available has dwindled down and all that is left now is the
junk. Beware.

Mario
Pinthetic


Repaired

Tahoe41

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Jun 2, 2005, 9:55:02 PM6/2/05
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Mario,

I couldn't agree more. My personal favorite...."tested and working at
95%".....wtf???????


Mike K.
San Jose

Jim Knight

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Jun 2, 2005, 10:16:07 PM6/2/05
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how about my small "fuzzy" pictures:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6184038572&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1

Just thought it funny about the small part.

Jim Knight

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Pint...@gmail.com

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Jun 2, 2005, 10:25:25 PM6/2/05
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That's a picture! Of course, it comes from Jim. No more to be said.

Mario
Pinthetic

Josh A.

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Jun 2, 2005, 11:29:32 PM6/2/05
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Pint...@gmail.com wrote:

> I now have a redflag list of E-bay sellers and I just added two more
> this week. If you are curious about who and what I have bought just
> check my E-bay handle "Pinthetic" for feedback and it's there.

Giving someone positive feedback for sending you a shitty board seems
like an odd way to fight against eBay shenanigans.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=sinistar24

- Josh A.

someotherguy

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Jun 2, 2005, 11:47:11 PM6/2/05
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You make a good point, Josh, but the board *was* advertised as untested.
Without being able to prove the seller knew it was bad, there's no reason to
give him a negative unless he simply failed to send the board, or sent a
different board than the one pictured, etc.

Without getting into a big debate about it, it's obvious the seller does have
some issues of a sort, as he's collected quite a few negatives already. That
should have been warning sign #1, then "untested" finishes the picture.

I do agree that people shouldn't be afraid to hand out negatives when they're
truly warranted. I've given out a few of my own, and so far haven't gotten any
retaliatory ones in return. Guess I've been lucky in that respect.

Richard

Pint...@gmail.com

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Jun 3, 2005, 1:12:01 AM6/3/05
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6182524284

Show me the sound board in this picture.

Mario
Pinthetic

Pint...@gmail.com

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Jun 3, 2005, 1:22:15 AM6/3/05
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It may be hidden at the right behind a wiring harness. Would you show
a picture like this in your auction if you wanted to avoid problems?
Look and learn how not to buy an item or list an item. This is a
seller who has sold quite a bit of stuff and should be experienced
This is a great educational listing. Read the text and look at that
wonderful picture. I'm embarased I fell for it.

Mario
Pinthetic

someotherguy

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Jun 3, 2005, 2:00:46 AM6/3/05
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I'm not "against you" Mario - I was responding to Josh. He posted the feedback
of a seller you bought a Capcom CPU from, and left positive feedback for.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13727&item=6179636561

Richard

mik...@omuonline.net

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Jun 3, 2005, 5:26:28 AM6/3/05
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Mario you should see the -35 bally mpu I bought recently off ebay. It
said it didnt work and had been previously attempted to be repaired. My
god you should see this thing. it was a total hack job, looked like the
guy used a 200w weller full size soldering iron. I mean it was the
worst of the worst! Wanna hear something funny tho. with about 20
jumpers on the board and im not kiddin' the damn thing booted up right
out of the shipping box. i was so suprised! it is now my chip testing
board, but man I was so suprised it even worked!

I buy a lot of bally boards off ebay. I repair the worst of the worst.
Its just a hobby to me, but hacked boards are a real challenge. I kinda
like working on them. Its funny you fix anything that was previously
attempted and the board boots. It makes you think they had something
really easy wrong with it. so far the most common has been a bad rom at
u6. Or the clock chip at u15. Its the same thing with everyone of them.
Soon I will be selling a few, I have about 30 repaired boards here. Not
pretty but work 100%.

DWGoett

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Jun 3, 2005, 7:52:28 AM6/3/05
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"what you see is what you get".....

hrmm... i get 2 empty star wars cabinets, too!
great!
Dan

Ed Faerman

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Jun 3, 2005, 9:03:28 AM6/3/05
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I would encourage those of us hobbiests to list stuff for sale here on
RGP - that way at least if you are someone that has been around there
will be some measure of reliability. I would be willing to pay more for
a board that I needed listed here from a known person than I would on epay.

Ed

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