TreasureCove Announcement. (long)
Treasurecove
been listed on our website. I still have a few decals for sale on our
website, but these decals are my custom designs using CorelDraw.
In May, I received a call from Gene's attorney, M Berns. I told him that I
wanted to be a licensed seller and would do whatever necessary to become a
licensed seller. I asked him at that time if I had to shut down my website,
.. and his exact words to me were: "No, I'm working out a deal with Gene &
Williams, which will take awhile, so go ahead and keep doing business as
usual."
A week later Wayne starts sending me emails, while I was waiting to see what
happened with Gene. A few weeks later, I called IPB asking about my
discussions with M Berns and their status, of which Kim says "I don't know
because I've never heard anything about this". So I repeat the whole story,
.. and she says "Why don't you send a sample decal, and I'll show it to Gene
and get back to you by Mon/Tues". She also told me, "if I were you I would
not sell while we're doing this." (I chose to do what Gene's lawyer told me
and that was do "business as usual") I packed up a decal , sent it Priority
Mail,... and waited, ...... and waited.
In the meantime, Wayne is still emailing me, .. telling me that to be
licensed thru him: "Each Item needs to be inspected and approved. 10% of
retail sales or 15% of Wholesale sales is the fee to us. The item's must
also be supplied to us at your cost + 10% for our distributor sales. The
item's will then carry a Made under Licence Sticker on the item or
packaging."
While waiting, I also asked him if I had to stop selling my decals? He said
..." We have "not" been Shutting down people who we are trying to work with,
as you.. " "Some have spoken about putting their prices up (higher) to pay
the royalty to us, this is up to the individual as to what you sell these
for, most have a nice margin and have kept them the same"
Samples were sent out Global Priority to Wayne for approval. 5 days later I
talk to him, and he tells me all the decals look great, .. and he would put
together a license agreement for me to sign.
Another week goes by so I decide to call Kim. She said that "I shot myself
in the foot by attempting to sell decals". I told her that M Berns had said
"it was ok to keep doing business as usual" .. and that Wayne had also told
me the same thing. I again asked her what were the license fees??, .. etc,
etc. ... and she couldn't answer? I told her if they ever put a plan in
place to call me, because I would rather do business in the US than send my
money off the Australia.
After asking for even more samples, Wayne finally emails me the License
Agreement Draft. I was shocked .... The fees, went up from $25 (for a $250
decal) to $60 per decal... plus the agreement stipulates that I have to
purchase 200 licenses up front ($12,000) for the license priveldge to sell
the Whitewater Cabinet Decal set!!!! To sell other decals, the same up-front
payment would have to be made!!! I reminded Wayne that he had said that the
fees were to be 10% and not 22.3% (of retail), .. and asked him to
reconsider.
He replied: "The pirate days are over, we paid 900k for for rights and you
complain about 22.3%, wake up this is not a playground it is big business
and we will inforce it as such". I emailed back one last time, telling him
that it was not right to change a "stated agreement" from 10% to over 22%!
His last reply to me was "It is not work me stuffing <worth me messing> with
10%, I make more money suing people. Now you will make nothing." Wayne's
next move was to make a post on the ng, saying that "he's tried to work"
with resellers????? ... but has no choice but to make and sell himself!!!
(and we sent him all the decals that we sell, as did everyone else, wanting
to get licensed) He has everyones art for free and who even knows if he sent
anything to WMS?
Yesterday M Berns calls me again regarding the website, so I go over the
above "chain of events" for him 'again', and told him, that I would like to
be licensed to sell my products, .. or sell them to IPB, ... I don't mind
paying a fair license fee for the privilege, .. and will do whatever is
necessary. He said that he would talk to the powers that be (Gene?
Williams?) and get back to me.
So, ... as you can probably tell, ... I'm at my wits end. Maybe, just maybe,
...if everything works out, IPB will be selling my products, like they are
Jeff's. I'm sorry for this long post, but at least felt that I needed to
tell you my side of the story.
Thank you all.
Allen
miracleman
everybody is afraid they won't be able to buy ANYTHING in the not too
distant future.
I've given up great chances for money/success in my life because I
don't want to work with or support people with Wayne's attitude. He
should be welcoming people who can help the hobby/business instead of
chopping their head off.
Time for someone else to start up a pinball company I guess.
metallik
Gene can answer you definitly yea or nay soon. Looks also like dealing
with Wayne is a waste. Fronting 200 licenses isn't a real good idea,
no way to know that you'll sell that much.
ATL FUN
distribution rights will chime in about the fairness of the numbers.
22% doesn't sound too steep, but the 200 licenses per item up front is
CRAZY for a small business. Those are the kind of numbers that only
people like HAPP can muster up.
Brian
Treasurecove
things, .. so to be fair to Wayne, .. after a few emails back and forth, he
did agree to go down to 100 licenses purchased up front, ... but for a guy
like me, that's still "out of reach". My biggest complaint is that he
should've told me "up-front" the correct percentage, .. and not 'strung me
on' with the 10% fee, .. and had me send him my whole set of decals ... only
to "slam me down" later.
thaks
Allen
"ATL FUN" <Atlf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Eric A.
Treasurecove wrote:
> I tried to make the post as short as possible, ... so I left out some
> things, .. so to be fair to Wayne, .. after a few emails back and forth, he
> did agree to go down to 100 licenses purchased up front, ... but for a guy
> like me, that's still "out of reach". My biggest complaint is that he
> should've told me "up-front" the correct percentage, .. and not 'strung me
> on' with the 10% fee, .. and had me send him my whole set of decals ... only
> to "slam me down" later.
>
"illegal artwork" from everyone and screw them out of everything in the
end. He knew you would not go for the increase and thus he gets all of
the artwork for FREE! Don't you all remember the CV cabinet decals? He
was trying to find out which were the right ones so he could reproduce
the correct ones.
You might not have totally burned your bridge with IPB but I think the
route you are taking now is the best step. Good luck and keep your chin
up. It will all work out in the end.
I sent a private e-mail to Wayne and if he treats/speaks to all the
non-RGP potential customers the way he relayed his message to me he
will definately never make back the 900K because he will lose his
customers before he ever gets them!
Eric A.
chuckster
Andy
gain. What a crappy thing to do to have you send one of each set only to
have him yank the rug out from under you.
Andy
"Treasurecove" <Treasure...@iglou.com> wrote in message
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Nwojedi
money hungry fu*king noobs. Ones who don't only look at numbers on
paper without having any real passion for the hobby. Or passion for
anything except giving it to people in the ass without lube. Sounds
like wayne has never bought any KY in his life. Why couldn't someone
like Lawlor buy the rights. His heart is in the right place. :/
GA Pinhead
John!
EastIowa...@gmail.com
complain about 22.3%, wake up this is not a playground it is big
business
and we will inforce it as such".
Hmm... best of luck enforcing that :/ Namco has been trying it for
years with video art.
I'm afraid the only thing we are going to end up with is high prices,
and very little product. The quality is another matter all together. (
I know how picky I am and I know you guys are the same) After all we
have really been spoiled with Darins repros, and the likes up until
now. Remember there are no promises the quality will be what we are
used to. Not to mention SERVIVCE!
If you ask me this type of attitude is going to get him is more
pirated art, and parts.
Tom
Kenbo
dishonest schmucks. I will continue to support the underground.
Nwojedi
board. If you want to make your money back, your going to have to
change your business practices. Sell me the rights to Williams and
i'll show you how to double your money in 3 years. Cuz the rate your
going. Your going to be taking a loss. Your business sense sucks.
BAD!
Treasurecove
and said that while I waas waiting, .. I called you and asked a ...
but what actually happened was that Wayne sent me an email saying that he
was "gonna tell" on me, and had copied you in the CC; line.
and you were nice enough to call me in a few hours stating that you had no
choice but to 'turn me in' (because of Waynes email), .... it was then that
I reiterated my story and you suggested sending off a sample to you.
Again, I apologize, .. you were very nice, .. and I didn't mean to mis-state
the facts.
Allen
<K...@IllinoisPinBall.Com> wrote in message
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> Mr. Shope,
> If you intend to bring my name into a post please make sure your
> information is accurate. This was a definite misrepresentation of the
> facts concerning you and me.
> While I will not debate private business on the news group, if you
> would like to discuss the facts, you can contact me, this time.
>
> Kim
>
Kerry Stair
. That means to make back your 900K you have to sell 3Million in parts. So
thats an investment of almost 4 million. With any decent portfolio you can
make 15-20% ROI (Return on investment) yearly . . . Surely no one thinks
they can make money on pinball parts. Williams assured everyone they
couldn't :-) So if its not about the money and believe me it can't be about
the money . . . it must be for the love of it. I'm missing something . . .
Baffled by everything I hear . . . Did Wayne and Gene both take business
classes ? ;-) Seriously its not funny . . . you in the back stop laughing
right this instant young man. "Bueller . . . anyone Bueller"
BIG BUSINESS ?? All of pinball parts sales worldwide is what 15 million a
year . . . Seriously . . . Trust me this is a very small playground and
getting smaller by the year. As someone who has seen several lawsuits over
intellectual properties I can assure you the lawyers are the only winners.
Same as in a war. Someone claims victory but everyone loses big. If the
plan is to win bunches of money from lawsuits then your lawyers have been
selling you a heck of a line. Stastistically for every 10 million won in
intellectual property disputes 8 million goes to legal fees. That ROI sucks
!! Worst ever !! Its incredibly hard to prove damages and then to take 10
times the profit IF you win after lawyer fees works out to about 10 bucks.
My buddies last big win in court cost him 50K . . . and he won !
Man I'm probably alone here but I'd like to see everyone work together for
the benefit of pinball. Then again maybe its time to find a new hobby . . .
anybody want to buy 20 mint perfect pinballs and 100K in parts :-) . . .
--
Kerry Stair
Mantis Amusements "Its all about Pinball"
<EastIowa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Kenbo
[...]
>
>If you ask me this type of attitude is going to get him is more
>pirated art, and parts.
I like the fact that all of Wayne's parts (should they actually
materialize) will have security holograms on them. That should make it
easy to know which parts to avoid.
Matt McKee
Wayne (who I assume represents Williams at this point, or owns the
rights or something) should have been making these items, and all other
items needed to refurbish these machines, all along. It seems like it's
a good thing for this hobby to have someone making these things, I
can't imagine there being that much money in it, so thanks Treasure
Cove and others. Unless the legal Williams rights owners were offering
the decals, which it doesn't seem like they were.
I also feel sorry for you guys at TreasureCove for having to use
CorelDraw.
norma...@hotmail.com
Andrew
Cliffy
Matt McKee wrote:
>
> I also feel sorry for you guys at TreasureCove for having to use
> CorelDraw.
>
Hey! :P heh heh.. I used to love Corel Draw! Illustrator had a much
steeper learning curve but in the end, better tools :)
--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com
Munch
"As the Pinball World Turns"
I'm glad I bought my AFM cabinet decals when I did.
Chris
1) I got into the hobby (1998) when it was exciting, fresh, affordable, and
NOS E*BD playfields were $400.
2) I never got into 90's stuff, so I did not, nor have to give a hoot about
licensed artwork and the political snafu that is currently gobbling up the
hobby as we knEw it
3) I have GREAT memories of what pinball USED to be - note the word "used"
Chris
"Munch" <bpin...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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GPE
Gottlieb LLC is looking better by the minute!
They asked me for 10% fee paid quarterly -after- the sales. Quite
reasonable.
-- Ed
"Treasurecove" <Treasure...@iglou.com> wrote in message
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BWAGNER5150
money in 3 years."
I think IPB and Wayne or being bozos like everyone else. But them sell
you the rights? LOL Yeah, right! Are you going to trade them your
frozen Han Solo! ;-)
Koz Pinlicious
guys. it just isn't worrth it. ipb is a bunch of clueless idiots who
give a shit about no-one except themselves. next time i bitch about
ipb, i'll be interested to see who disagrees with me then. you guys
will eventually learn if you havn't by now...
Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
pr
savior for pinball parts) that he had no intention of selling anything
on the cheap. Some here thought FH repro pfs were going to appear for
$350. LOL. Please. You'll see those pf (if ever) for $1,200. Mark my
words. I'm not saying he's wrong and I'm not saying I like but I see
exactly what he's attempting to do. It aint pretty and it aint gonna be
cheap.
pr
kirb
I'm predicting a high initial price and then once the suckers have been
shilled, you will see the price lower to move more product.
That is just a guess, but my guess.
Kirb
Koz Pinlicious
sc...@farrar.com
They are not his unless you GAVE them to him as a gift.
Mr Pinball Australia
First of all we only received part samples of cabinet decals, one side
marked as a second for Whitewater, no complete set, no customer quality only
seconds.
Other suppliers had offered us 25% to do the same decals as Treasurecove
that cost $60 a set to run in 100 Quantity's, so 20% of retail is say $50 if
sold for $250 a set.
Lucas Films want 20k up front for us to make IJ cabinet decals and are not
prepared to budge, same with Viacom and paramount, so to be able to bring
all of these to market and pay the above license fees we feel with the
margin of $190 a set $50 is fair.
Now the other option is we make these decals Treasurecove make ourselves.
Any License requires an upfront payment and a qty to base the royalty.
Any business dealings and Treasurecoves discussions are confidential and he
has signed an agreement as such which he has broken.
We are busting our gut to get parts made for you guys and work with
suppliers, you will find more parts become available from IPB and ourselves
as time goes on.
We are not going to get drawn into this debate any longer, if people want to
make copyright parts obtain permission from US or IPB as we both have many
suppliers working with us otherwise seek legal advice.
Wayne Gillard
Nwojedi
he's undeserving. No passion...no solo. :P
Fred Kemper
Facts are good.
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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"Mr Pinball Australia" <sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote in message news:6eeKe.78033$oJ.3...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
ed
chuck
ed wrote:
> Go Fuck yourself, Wayne!
He gathered the facts, processed the data, and came up with an
informative retorte.
LOL
davi...@telus.net
an open forum. I know that people get frustrated... as I did prev. with
Jeff (Classic-Arcades) but I do feel that some things are best left to
private communications. The facts easily get twisted and details are
often not complete.
Daivd...
Treasurecove
> he
> has signed an agreement as such which he has broken.
Your nose is growing Pinocchio.
pinball bret
beyond decals etc., then we all shall be very, very happy ("Joy Joy,
Happy Happy" said Ren!) and this will all pass............OR...... like
the past few years that everyone has heard this crap, all of us will
get very P'ed off even worse. A wise man once said:" There wouldnt be a
minority without first having a Majority that one cant trust in". Time
is coming in a few weeks to "Put up or shut the hell up". And if the
public forum isnt (and I agree, isnt) the place to air dirty laundery,
then 1., Dont read this, and 2. dont respond. Now....... I have a US
drawn Money Order just waiting to be sent to Aussie Land......... Give
us parts!
russjo97
his attitude. Most of us know exactly where we can find the items
we're looking for and hopefully these avenues will remain open if you
know what I mean...
Kevin Rigsby
thru the roof.
I like it better when it was only IPB. We all knew they had parts and allot
of the folks here were making there own parts cause IPB wasn't moving there
ass. Now some guy named Wayne comes in and buys out Williams. Tells us he
going to make it all better and get us parts. Instead, all we got was a
better website for IPB showing us decals that were available all ready. I
haven't seen anything from Wayne for sale. All I hear is he going after
everyone who made this hobby better.
It's was a sad day when Wayne acquired Williams license.
Now what ever happened to Big Bang Bar?? Were they ever built? Anyone ever
get one??
-Kevin
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greenacarina
Kenbo <Ke...@NOqsolvJUNKMAIL.com> wrote in message
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> Unfortunately, that's what happens to honest guys who try to deal with
> dishonest schmucks. I will continue to support the underground.
dinsdale
> How nice it would be if all the facts were in play??
> > First of all we only received part samples of cabinet decals, one side
> marked as a second for Whitewater, no complete set, no customer quality only
> seconds.
So? Did you return them when you were done with your "evaluation"?
> Other suppliers had offered us 25% to do the same decals as Treasurecove
> that cost $60 a set to run in 100 Quantity's, so 20% of retail is say $50 if
> sold for $250 a set.
The world is full of dumbasses. A $50 royalty for a non-themed decal set
is robbery, and you are the robber. Plus you expected the supplier to sell
to you for 10% over their manufacturing cost, and then have to compete with
you in the marketplace? What a joke. Only a sucker would go for a deal like that.
> Lucas Films want 20k up front for us to make IJ cabinet decals and are not
> prepared to budge, same with Viacom and paramount, so to be able to bring
> all of these to market and pay the above license fees we feel with the
> margin of $190 a set $50 is fair.
Indiana Jones is a Billion dollar franchise that is still active. Whitewater
is a 12 year old pinball machine. 7000 exist and that is all. To ask more
than 1% of what Lucas wants for IJ is robbery, and you are the robber. Sure,
a company the size of Viacom may need $20K to get them motivated to draw up an
agreement, but are you saying you are as big as Viacom? Your ego, maybe...
Your "legal department" can take a break from sweeping the floor in the shop
and dash off a simple agreement in minutes.
> Now the other option is we make these decals Treasurecove make ourselves.
Can you write even one coherent sentence? You come across as stupid and unprofessional.
So go ahead, make whatever you want. The problem is that you are OBSTRUCTING
people that had a TRACK RECORD of MAKING THINGS. All you've put out so far
is a bunch of threats and hot air. Can you name one "pirate" that hasn't expressed
a desire to do the right thing when it comes to licensing? In return, you have
poured on the threats and unreasonable deals. Bad move. Yeah, waste your time
making things that have already been made. Waste your time alienating and shutting
down quality suppliers. And turn off many of your potential customers with your crappy
way of doing business.
> Any License requires an upfront payment and a qty to base the royalty.
Absolutely not. Your are simply lying about this, or you just dont know shit.
And are YOU providing the artwork for your suppliers, or are you relying on
them to create the artwork for your own stuff? If they are the ones putting
in the hours to create the artwork, YOU are the one who should be paying THEM
for it. Instead you demand a deal-breaking royalty and terms.
> Any business dealings and Treasurecoves discussions are confidential and he
> has signed an agreement as such which he has broken.
Looks like you lied about this one as well. And that hasnt stopped you
from saying whatever you please when it suits you.
> We are busting our gut to get parts made for you guys and work with
> suppliers, you will find more parts become available from IPB and ourselves
> as time goes on.
Great. Make parts. Make lot's of parts. If they are good, people will buy
them. If you think you'll make enough decals and playfields to pay back your
$900,000 to WMS, you're deluded. The people that you are attacking are the ones
that put in the time and money to make parts that people needed for little
or no profit, and now you want to make them the bad guys? You may have
the law on your side in SOME cases, but the list of people that will NOT
support you is growing everyday. Just because you paid for non-exclusive
rights for some parts means that anyone is obligated to support you in any way.
And its becoming more and more clear that doing so would be a mistake.
> We are not going to get drawn into this debate any longer, if people want to
> make copyright parts obtain permission from US or IPB as we both have many
> suppliers working with us otherwise seek legal advice.
As usual, you'll talk when it suits you. You have no problem
using RGP when you need something, or to spew your self-serving drivel.
Fortunately, you can't control this forum.
Everyone should remember that ONCE OCTOBER ROLLS AROUND, ANYONE WILL BE ABLE
TO OBTAIN A LICENSE FROM WMS TO MAKE PARTS. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE
GENE AND WAYNE SHOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. And at this point, who in their right mind
would want to? Here's hoping someone else will come around with reasonable
supplier terms.
The best thing that could happen to the hobby is for Wayne and Gene to fail,
since they don't have our interests in mind, just thier egos and pocketbooks.
WMS (the rights OWNER) is still around, and someday soon Gene will sell off the
last of his pallets of old WMS stock and will then probably shut down. And the kangaroo
guy will LOSE his WMS rights when reality strikes and he can't make his follow-up
payments to WMS which were based on his pipe dream business model. Nobody in thier
right mind should be supporting or depending on either of these guys.
-D
BWAGNER5150
Chris Evans
<sa...@mrpinball.com.au> wrote:
>We are busting our gut to get parts made for you guys and work with
>suppliers, you will find more parts become available from IPB and ourselves
>as time goes on.
"I make more money suing people." -Wayne Gilliard, to Allen Shope
Suuuuuure you're working on parts, you lying sack of shit. Why bother when
there's no money in it, after all...
Sojourner353
anymore Bally or Williams machines with all this that's going on, these
machines are going to be almost impossible to repair one day if things keep
going the way they are, I am not looking forward to the day when I have a
dead DMD and I have to refinance the house to get a new one.
Kevin
BTW: I wonder what Sterns thoughts are on all this that's going on, they
must be loving it.
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Otto
Generic parts that fail---like dmds---will continue to be readily available.
Otto
CARGPB11
My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding
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Make more money suing people huh? Thanks for caring about the hobby
Wayne. You dont even beleive that shit yourself? at least I hope not
You plan to sue all the little guys and then what jackass? Good luck
selling that piece of shit Crock Hunter or whatever its called game
here in the US. I have purchased the last 4 Stern games NIB, and you
could produce the best game on earth and you WONT find it on my
gameroom. If I saw it on a route I wouldnt even drop a penny into it.
If I found a credit on it, I wouldnt even play it.
kirb
None are built 100% so far.
>Anyone ever get one??
Only the original 13 or 14. The repops were getting the underside of
the PF assembled. That was before Bearcave shut down the forum.
Kirb
Fred Kemper
time before this happens anyway, and that's ALWAYS
been the case. Nothing has changed at all!
I realized all of this from the very beginning, and
accept the fact. Someday, you may have some very pretty,
(and BIG), "nightlight".....
This is just one of the consquences of choosing to
purchase an old pinball machine for your home. Do not
expect it to live forever without some cost or that it
dosen't have an "Achille"s heel" somewhere.
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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Dukester
I wouldn't mind owning some "newer" pinball machines. THe only
problem is money. YOu have to pay a heavier chunk of change for a
newer Stern than an older Williams/Ballys game. Williams/Ballys games
have lower tier games that are affordable. This is not an option for
Stern games like RBIO, Sopranos, Elvis, LOTR, etc....
I got into this hobby recently and I would definitely say I am not
hardcore, but I can see how this would easily switch me to stop looking
at Williams/Ballys games. However, I doubt the price increase would
reach a point of no return.
I do see the problem with the "hardcore" collector. They getscrewed
pretty hard if the parts dry up and price increases due to this
debacle.
The casual pinball hobbyist (myself included) will likely move on if
things get out of hand.
kirb
I hope some of the good games come into my price range soon.
>The casual pinball hobbyist (myself included) will likely move on if
>things get out of hand.
Some of us have everything we need for the games we have. Any future
games might require a little digging, or just buy GTB ems and support
the people who have been REASONABLE at granting people to make repops.
Kirb
kirb
It would be nice...even after your post, but I don't think any of us
are delusional enough to think we will get both sides of the story.
Kirb
pinballjim
They're illegal reproductions of copyrighted art, that were mailed to
the copyright holder.
Gene is under no legal obligation to pay for them.
azarca...@cox.net
Mr Pinball Australia wrote:
> How nice it would be if all the facts were in play??
>
biting my tongue on this. lets see how long i can really hold back from
giving my side too.
> Other suppliers had offered us 25% to do the same decals as Treasurecove
> that cost $60 a set to run in 100 Quantity's, so 20% of retail is say $50 if
> sold for $250 a set.
>
> Any business dealings and Treasurecoves discussions are confidential and he
> has signed an agreement as such which he has broken.
>
you see there you go again. pot calling the kettle black wayne. you had
the nerve to tell allen the % we discussed and now you make it public?
who is breaking the confidentiality agreement between you and me? youre
the one that made me sign it so i made you sign one and now youve
broken it not once, but possibly twice. while giving others legal
advice, perhaps you should consult your attorney (if you really have
one) about the ramifications of your actions
>
chuck
Kirb, I do love your posts ;-)
frenchy
trust anybody to be honest with me on their sales so I want my cut for
200 of them before you even sell item one." If this is the guy who was
supposed to bring Williams/Bally back from the grave, I feel like
throwing some more dirt on 'em. $12,000 for just Whitewater decals...
how many does he think would be sold in the first place for that to
just be a reasonable license fee???
Orin Day
Otto <ottondebremove&%$*@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>"Sojourner353" <sojo...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:42f9...@news.comindico.com.au...
>>I am not looking forward to the day when I have a dead DMD and I have to
>>refinance the house to get a new one.
>No worry.
>Generic parts that fail---like dmds---will continue to be readily available.
But how about processors (like the 6809), EPROMS, etc. Eventually they
will all fail. Will there be replacements for this technology?
On the other hand, I've got a few EM's that are 50 years old and still
going strong. It's not a stretch to imagine that the EM's will be fine
for years to come. There will probably always be springs, ball bearings,
grease, and 110 VAC (or something to convert it). Rubber rings might be a
problem. In light home use the rest either won't wear out, or might be
fabricated.
Like Otto said, "No worry." :)
Orin
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BlackTiger
clean of decals to buy. had I not seen the post, I would have missed
out. Cause they are lone gone :)