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Space Shuttle PF Reproductions are now PRINTED see the video
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Mike at CPR
Sep 15, 2011, 12:30:47 AM9/15/11
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Ok, it''s not exactly a Hollywood Blockbuster but we think it's pretty
cool. Space Shuttle seemed like a cursed PF.
The original holes were cut slightly too small which meant none of the
inserts fit. Each and every PF had to have each and every insert hole
and GI bulb hole sanded out by hand using a dremel. We went through
nearly 400 3/8" little sanding drums! Then we had many of the lips the
inserts sit on cut to the incorrect depth, too deep and the inserts
slipped below the surface and had to be removed and replaced. Too high
and the drum sander basically sheared them off and they had to be
removed and replaced. Lots and lots of removing and replacing! There
were hundred of inserts that had to be replaced along the way and that
was after each and every hole had to be size corrected!! In all there
were hundreds of hours spent fixing these cutting errors. But the
nice thing is that we have encountered all these problems before on
previous PFs but other than Flight 2000 we had never seen these
problems in these numbers! Our past experience allows us to repair
almost anything that happens to a PF because, well because you have
to. The wood is dear and the inserts that are glued in properly cannot
easily be replaced from the maker so you MUST fix the PFs or lose
them.
Anyway they turned out SWEET!
Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgBeXamc2w
cool. Space Shuttle seemed like a cursed PF.
The original holes were cut slightly too small which meant none of the
inserts fit. Each and every PF had to have each and every insert hole
and GI bulb hole sanded out by hand using a dremel. We went through
nearly 400 3/8" little sanding drums! Then we had many of the lips the
inserts sit on cut to the incorrect depth, too deep and the inserts
slipped below the surface and had to be removed and replaced. Too high
and the drum sander basically sheared them off and they had to be
removed and replaced. Lots and lots of removing and replacing! There
were hundred of inserts that had to be replaced along the way and that
was after each and every hole had to be size corrected!! In all there
were hundreds of hours spent fixing these cutting errors. But the
nice thing is that we have encountered all these problems before on
previous PFs but other than Flight 2000 we had never seen these
problems in these numbers! Our past experience allows us to repair
almost anything that happens to a PF because, well because you have
to. The wood is dear and the inserts that are glued in properly cannot
easily be replaced from the maker so you MUST fix the PFs or lose
them.
Anyway they turned out SWEET!
Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgBeXamc2w
Mike Bradley
Sep 15, 2011, 12:53:30 AM9/15/11
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Stu
Sep 15, 2011, 1:21:53 AM9/15/11
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Pretty Kewl.....
Alex Gross
Sep 15, 2011, 1:21:16 AM9/15/11
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Those look absolutely AMAZING!! So glad to see these finally
available for a great game that is definitely on my 'want' list. You
guys do great work.
available for a great game that is definitely on my 'want' list. You
guys do great work.
Tim O
Sep 15, 2011, 2:09:37 AM9/15/11
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guess on the Pinbot release date? Just a ballpark guess, I saw it says
its cutting now. :)
Tim
alive-cds
Sep 15, 2011, 2:15:22 AM9/15/11
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Sweet...was literally just at your website looking for updates 45
minutes ago! With a new ramp coming soon from pinball inc. the
restoration will be happening soon. Now if only someone would repro
the pop bumper caps! Pleeeze
minutes ago! With a new ramp coming soon from pinball inc. the
restoration will be happening soon. Now if only someone would repro
the pop bumper caps! Pleeeze
calvin12
Sep 15, 2011, 2:21:53 AM9/15/11
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alive-cds
Sep 15, 2011, 2:23:08 AM9/15/11
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> repro the shuttle itself.
Pinball Inc. is supposed to do the ramps and the shuttle as well. At
least thats what was posted here about a month ago.
Pinaholic (NYC)
Sep 15, 2011, 3:07:39 AM9/15/11
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On Sep 14, 8:23 pm, alive-cds <alive-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > repro the shuttle itsed to do the ramps and the shuttle as well. At
the above!
Al
> > repro the shuttle itsed to do the ramps and the shuttle as well. At
> least thats what was posted here about a month ago.
I just sent a deposit for one. It is nice, but I probably buy all of
the above!
Al
Pappy Boyington
Sep 15, 2011, 3:31:19 AM9/15/11
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Thank you for sharing the video. Really nice to see how screen
printing is done.
Rich
printing is done.
Rich
Mike at CPR
Sep 15, 2011, 4:05:42 AM9/15/11
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Tim;
Some of these are being cleared this coming week. It takes about a
week to do it right and then another week to harden enough that we
feel safe shipping them. So guys should be starting to get their Space
Shuttle PFs in about two weeks.
Mike
Some of these are being cleared this coming week. It takes about a
week to do it right and then another week to harden enough that we
feel safe shipping them. So guys should be starting to get their Space
Shuttle PFs in about two weeks.
Mike
beaver
Sep 15, 2011, 4:08:18 AM9/15/11
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I have been waiting a long time to see that. We drew the artwork in
2008, and it is finally being printed. it looks beautiful, and I look
forward to my special edition unit. Thank you for posting it.
Edward_Cheung CARGPB26
2008, and it is finally being printed. it looks beautiful, and I look
forward to my special edition unit. Thank you for posting it.
Edward_Cheung CARGPB26
Mike at CPR
Sep 15, 2011, 4:11:00 AM9/15/11
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Tim;
For Pinbot they are mostly cut but we are waiting for the two large
2.5" inserts. Our supplier in Germany promised them mid June.... I
think he's late :-) What we are doing in gluing in the rest of the
inserts and when the inserts finally arrive from Germany we should be
able to go back and rather quickly just glue in the missing inserts.
Then of course the fun just begins with sanding, touch ups, more
sanding etc, sealing, and then finally screen printing.
FYI, Cyclones are all cut and about 80% glued and sanded. We could see
these ready for screening in less than 2 weeks.
Mike
For Pinbot they are mostly cut but we are waiting for the two large
2.5" inserts. Our supplier in Germany promised them mid June.... I
think he's late :-) What we are doing in gluing in the rest of the
inserts and when the inserts finally arrive from Germany we should be
able to go back and rather quickly just glue in the missing inserts.
Then of course the fun just begins with sanding, touch ups, more
sanding etc, sealing, and then finally screen printing.
FYI, Cyclones are all cut and about 80% glued and sanded. We could see
these ready for screening in less than 2 weeks.
Mike
Zach
Sep 15, 2011, 4:21:59 AM9/15/11
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Have you had a chance to send out the payment email to the preorder
list yet? I just want to make sure that it didn't get lost in my spam
folder. I've been looking forward to this playfield for years.
list yet? I just want to make sure that it didn't get lost in my spam
folder. I've been looking forward to this playfield for years.
Timerider
Sep 15, 2011, 5:04:09 AM9/15/11
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They look very cool...
I know nothing about silk-screening, but I have a question.
How fast does the ink dry, because it appears he's leaning the freshly
painted PF's against each other to dry. ?????
Greg
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Tim O
Sep 15, 2011, 11:17:55 AM9/15/11
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:11:00 -0700 (PDT), Mike at CPR
<Mi...@ClassicPlayfields.com> wrote:
>Tim;
>
>For Pinbot they are mostly cut but we are waiting for the two large
>2.5" inserts. Our supplier in Germany promised them mid June.... I
>think he's late :-) What we are doing in gluing in the rest of the
>inserts and when the inserts finally arrive from Germany we should be
>able to go back and rather quickly just glue in the missing inserts.
>Then of course the fun just begins with sanding, touch ups, more
>sanding etc, sealing, and then finally screen printing.
>
>FYI, Cyclones are all cut and about 80% glued and sanded. We could see
>these ready for screening in less than 2 weeks.
>
>Mike
Thanks for the info Mike. I was just curious about the timeline
<Mi...@ClassicPlayfields.com> wrote:
>Tim;
>
>For Pinbot they are mostly cut but we are waiting for the two large
>2.5" inserts. Our supplier in Germany promised them mid June.... I
>think he's late :-) What we are doing in gluing in the rest of the
>inserts and when the inserts finally arrive from Germany we should be
>able to go back and rather quickly just glue in the missing inserts.
>Then of course the fun just begins with sanding, touch ups, more
>sanding etc, sealing, and then finally screen printing.
>
>FYI, Cyclones are all cut and about 80% glued and sanded. We could see
>these ready for screening in less than 2 weeks.
>
>Mike
between the cutting notice and the actual shipping. Sounds like its
still a little way out, which is fine. :)
gpsdrew
Sep 15, 2011, 3:22:51 PM9/15/11
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Yes very cool, I can't wait to see a space shuttle with a fresh
playfield...
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gpsdrew
seymour.shabow
Sep 15, 2011, 5:03:53 PM9/15/11
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Mike at CPR wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgBeXamc2w
Awesome seeing the press in action. Looks like good exercise, too!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgBeXamc2w
Awesome seeing the press in action. Looks like good exercise, too!
Gott Lieb?
Sep 15, 2011, 5:08:32 PM9/15/11
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Ink does not dry that fast. Look closer, and you will see that Kevin is
not resting inked areas against anything. The PFs are situated in a way
that the wood on the freshley inked side is touching the (dry) painted
wood on the backside.
Jim
Timerider;1781919 Wrote:
> They look very cool...
> I know nothing about silk-screening, but I have a question.
> How fast does the ink dry, because it appears he's leaning the freshly
> painted PF's against each other to dry. ?????
>
>
> Greg
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Hassell Castle
Sep 15, 2011, 5:25:47 PM9/15/11
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Truely amazing guys.
It's been a long wait...but we'll worth it.
My repainted cabinet has been sitting dormant waiting for it's new
playfield for 2 years now.
I haven't seen the payment request either yet.
Sure hope it doesn't go in my spam box.
Craig
It's been a long wait...but we'll worth it.
My repainted cabinet has been sitting dormant waiting for it's new
playfield for 2 years now.
I haven't seen the payment request either yet.
Sure hope it doesn't go in my spam box.
Craig
Mike at CPR
Sep 15, 2011, 4:52:48 PM9/15/11
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Timerider; Leaning the PFs together to dry? If you look closely
you'll see the area he's leaning against each other contains no ink.
We actually have drying racks for them but found this method superior
when there is no ink being printed near the bottom of the PF. It
doesn't work on every color layer and won't work for every PF but in
this particular instance it worked fine.
Tim O : How long before Pinbot will be ready to print?? I wish I could
nail this answer down better, but there are so many many variables. If
everything went PERFECT you can glue and sand them just a bit faster
than they are cut but in practice that almost never works. It takes
about an hour to fully cut one providing there are no prop rods or
other cutting that has to be done on the bottom. Cleaning up the board
after the cut takes about 20 minutes. A friend of mine is gluing the
last of the Cyclones right now and he says about 90 minutes to
carefully glue the inserts in. There are many many steps after this
and on Flight 2000 over 1000 inserts had to be cut back out of the PFs
and reglued in due to errors in the original cutting, about 400-600
inserts had to be removed from Space Shuttle and re-glued. Each insert
you remove and re-glue takes maybe 10x longer than doing it right the
first time. So for sure Flight2000 and Space Shuttle were monsters
because of CNC cutting issues. We have this issue cleared up but of
course there are always new issues.
Pinbot is waiting for two inserts to come from Germany, the inserts
are several months late but if we had them here we could obviously at
least give you a guess. But the best I can say now is that I suspect
each Pinbot will take about 3.5 hours each to get ready to print after
the inserts arrive. We have a very small group here that does all the
work so even after the inserts arrive it will still take several weeks
to get them ready to print if everyone works every spare moment on
them.
If it's any consolation I just bought my own injection molding machine
and this coming year I hope to have it up and running and to at least
slowly build up a library of molds to eventually be able to be fully
self sufficient as really this year at least we have been completely
hamstrung by our inability to get inserts in a timely manner. The mold
costs are staggering but truthfully not being able to get inserts is
very costly as well.
Mike
you'll see the area he's leaning against each other contains no ink.
We actually have drying racks for them but found this method superior
when there is no ink being printed near the bottom of the PF. It
doesn't work on every color layer and won't work for every PF but in
this particular instance it worked fine.
Tim O : How long before Pinbot will be ready to print?? I wish I could
nail this answer down better, but there are so many many variables. If
everything went PERFECT you can glue and sand them just a bit faster
than they are cut but in practice that almost never works. It takes
about an hour to fully cut one providing there are no prop rods or
other cutting that has to be done on the bottom. Cleaning up the board
after the cut takes about 20 minutes. A friend of mine is gluing the
last of the Cyclones right now and he says about 90 minutes to
carefully glue the inserts in. There are many many steps after this
and on Flight 2000 over 1000 inserts had to be cut back out of the PFs
and reglued in due to errors in the original cutting, about 400-600
inserts had to be removed from Space Shuttle and re-glued. Each insert
you remove and re-glue takes maybe 10x longer than doing it right the
first time. So for sure Flight2000 and Space Shuttle were monsters
because of CNC cutting issues. We have this issue cleared up but of
course there are always new issues.
Pinbot is waiting for two inserts to come from Germany, the inserts
are several months late but if we had them here we could obviously at
least give you a guess. But the best I can say now is that I suspect
each Pinbot will take about 3.5 hours each to get ready to print after
the inserts arrive. We have a very small group here that does all the
work so even after the inserts arrive it will still take several weeks
to get them ready to print if everyone works every spare moment on
them.
If it's any consolation I just bought my own injection molding machine
and this coming year I hope to have it up and running and to at least
slowly build up a library of molds to eventually be able to be fully
self sufficient as really this year at least we have been completely
hamstrung by our inability to get inserts in a timely manner. The mold
costs are staggering but truthfully not being able to get inserts is
very costly as well.
Mike
Grauwulf
Sep 15, 2011, 7:01:20 PM9/15/11
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I can't *WAIT* to get this thing in my hands. And then in my machine.
Next thing I need is a new or nice used backglass.
James
Timerider
Sep 15, 2011, 7:31:50 PM9/15/11
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Gott Lieb?;1782120 Wrote:
> Ink does not dry that fast. Look closer, and you will see that Kevin is
> not resting inked areas against anything. The PFs are situated in a way
> that the wood on the freshley inked side is touching the (dry) painted
> wood on the backside.
>
> Jim
still leaning wet painted side against the backs of other PF's. After
leaning a few against each other, they're bound to press against each
other.
I would've hoped for placing some sort of spacer block between PF's to
keep them off each other, to avoid smearing.
I mean... for $400 - $700 these PF's cost in general, I would've
expected to see a little more careful handling. (ie: maybe an air blast
across the top before the screen comes down to apply ink. Blowing off
any dust, etc.)
Maybe I'm just being a bit picky. I'm sure they look great and turn
out just fine.
(Maybe it's one of those things like, "Don't look behind the curtain;
you'll be dissappointed who the wizard really is", by seeing the video
of production.)
Greg
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Timerider
greatw...@hotmail.com
Sep 17, 2011, 11:17:21 PM9/17/11
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stacking playfields to dry, if there was with a certain color they
would be racked. Kevin has done thousands of different pieces over the
years. I personally lean my playfields to further cure atleast a week
after being uv inkjet, & the same after finish clear coats to further
harden. My playfields are just wrapped in thin paper for shipping from
my printer.
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