Anyone else excited about Buck Hunter pin??
pinba...@gmail.com
appeal to all. Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
good luck with BBHunter video game. Some of the better route earners
Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
Rare Hero
> Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> appeal to all.
Not all people find killing animals appealing.
> Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
Not all families like their kids to play violent games where the
object is to kill innocent animals.
> The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
> good luck with BBHunter video game.
You get to hold a big plastic gun and shoot things. The pinball won't
offer that.
> Some of the better route earners
> Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
> Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
> continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
> which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
People have known who Spider-Man is for almost 50 years. Batman as
well. Lord of the Rings for 60 or so. People will always know what
pirates are. Simpsons has been on the air for 20 years. Family Guy
for 10. Wheel of Fortune for 25. You underestimate the timelessness
of some of Stern's licenses.
Greg
TMFP
I have no interest in killing animals
black...@skynet.be
I couldn't care less for a Big Buck Hunter, here in Europe they
shouldn't even bother and could send us a blank pinball machine
without any reference to BBH cause the majority doesn't even know what
it is...
Where are the good licenses like Batman, Spiderman, LOTR,
FGy,POTC,IJ???? While CSI and 24 aren't that bad of a license there
are also a lot of people around here that don't care for it.
My thought was that 24 could be a real winner with a good theme but
now the theme brings the game down a little for me(and others), but
it's still pinball :-)
apimo...@yahoo.com
BBH will appeal to the wanna-be Nastycar crowd. And the Failin' Palin
cult of seal-clubbers and wolf-pup shooters. So yeah, a pretty big
audience. :-P
Del
> People have known who Spider-Man is for almost 50 years. Batman as
> well. Lord of the Rings for 60 or so. People will always know what
> pirates are. Simpsons has been on the air for 20 years. Family Guy
> for 10. Wheel of Fortune for 25. You underestimate the timelessness
> of some of Stern's licenses.
>
> Greg
Don't forget Monopoly, the Indy500, and the ever timless boobies
(Playboy).
:o)
I have a hard time understanding how BBH would tie in to pinball.
I know many themes are a stretch, but BBH?
Unless targets run acrossed the playfield or something.
Maybe targets pop up like in the old shooting gallerys.
Who knows, it might work.
I just pray the cabinet is hunter orange.
Del
Del
> People have known who Spider-Man is for almost 50 years. Batman as
> well. Lord of the Rings for 60 or so. People will always know what
> pirates are. Simpsons has been on the air for 20 years. Family Guy
> for 10. Wheel of Fortune for 25. You underestimate the timelessness
> of some of Stern's licenses.
>
> Greg
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kru...@aol.com
I grew up hunting, and killing things. It was the only chance where I
could make my father proud of me. Now that he is dead, I would sooner
pluck my balls than kill anything, or celebrate killing. I do know
that hunting is necessary to maintain the deer population, so maybe
thats what the old man ment when he said "the world will always need
ditch-diggers"
Back to pinball, I bet the Europeans will just buy up all of the Big
Buck hunters! Like Del said, it better be hunters orange or "ted
Nugent zebra striped"
in...@silenthillstudio.com
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> In memoriam - Al Garber #33 1/3, Team EM #1
The 24 theme killed the last stern for me. If they had done a simple
"get the terrorist scum!" theme i may well of even bought one of their
machines!! The game sounds as though it plays really well, but the
licensed photoshop artwork and voice calls killed their game for me!
Maybe they'll rebrand BBH as "Extreme Fox hunters" in the UK? At least
that'd get some publicity - beit good or bad!!
er...@stevemoyersubaru.com
came 24. If that wasn't bad enough, now comes BBH.
If this game had 9 playfield levels, a 47-ball multiball, 8 wizard
modes, 18 playfield toys, and took over the #1 spot on IPDB I still
wouldn't even look at it.
<Insert "You might be a redneck" joke here.>
cody chunn
Yikes. Maybe a tie...
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If its a cartoony, light-hearted take on hunting - like a cross between Fish
Tales and Elmer Fudd - then that might work for me. If its the
ultra-realistic-shoot-the-wild-animals package (ala the BBH arcade game),
then I'm out.
Dan Q.
pop bumpers, lots of whoopin' and hollerin', maybe voiced by Larry the
Cable Guy, then I might play it once or twice.
But, sheesh, this is the theme a struggling company during hard times
comes up with?
Rick Swanson
> I just pray the cabinet is hunter orange.
>
...or blood red. My guess is camo.
Rick Swanson
mnpinball
Getting to excited to soon. Next game is a re-theme of Space Jam NBA
2.0 for summer and BBH for winter '09
Bryan Kelly
been serious. I think we're due for a little redneck humor.
Maybe the deer could hunt the humans. Remember the Far Side
comics. :-)
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captainsam
ldnayman
> � � � Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
Derek's excited.
ldnayman
> On Apr 6, 9:37�pm, pinballp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > � � � Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> > appeal to all.
>
> Not all people find killing animals appealing.
>
> > Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
>
> Not all families like their kids to play violent games where the
> object is to kill innocent animals.
Give it a rest granola. You don't seem to have any problem with 24 do
you? PEOPLE get killed in that game.
Rare Hero
> Give it a rest granola. You don't seem to have any problem with 24 do
> you? PEOPLE get killed in that game.
Before you go insulting me - look at this thread. I'm not the only
one that finds it a turn off. 24 is action-movie get the bad guy
fiction storytelling. BBH is just killing for the sake of killing.
No story involved.
Greg
Rare Hero
> I think it depends on the direction they go with the art package and humor.
> If its a cartoony, light-hearted take on hunting - like a cross between Fish
> Tales and Elmer Fudd - then that might work for me. If its the
> ultra-realistic-shoot-the-wild-animals package (ala the BBH arcade game),
> then I'm out.
You're right. If it was Fish Tales-ish, it could be appealing. I
can't imagine there will be any creative risk taking on this
game...just a straight use of the license. I'd love to be wrong,
though!
Greg
Les Manley
> I can see it selling well in some areas but not well in others
>
> I have no interest in killing animals
I have zero interest in hunting and never even fired a gun, but I
would play it if it is a good game. Theme is secondary to a great
playing game. Buck Hunter appeals to the bar crowd though and if that
gets them to try pinball, that works for me.
ldnayman
IT'S NOT REAL.
No actual deer die in a game of buck hunter. And there's not even any
blood.
I don't like hunting, I don't do it. But Big Buck Hunter is alot of
fun to play in a bar.
I think your self-righteous opposition to this game is really funny,
given the "offensive" nature of your job. I'd say sitting an 8-year
old in front of an episode of Family Guy is probably alot worse for
their mental health than a game of Big Buck Hunter.
Cheap shot I know, but seriously get some perspective. Violence in our
culture is everywhere, from virtually every video game, most movies,
and yes violent chicken fights in Family Guy. I can't believe that you
think sheilding our precious children from fake deer hunting should
really be the top priority.
yetterben
it costs to much to put antlers on deer.
Rare Hero
> I think your self-righteous opposition to this game is really funny,
How am I being self righteous? The OP said this was a family theme
and a timeless classic and I disagreed. You're the one throwing
insults and getting all defensive. Read my original post. It was an
even handed opinion...not putting anyone down...just offering a
different opinion.
> given the "offensive" nature of your job. I'd say sitting an 8-year
> old in front of an episode of Family Guy is probably alot worse for
> their mental health than a game of Big Buck Hunter.
I never claimed Family Guy was a family show. It's often rated TV-14
or TV-MA. The OP claimed BBH was a family game.
> Cheap shot I know, but seriously get some perspective. Violence in our
> culture is everywhere, from virtually every video game, most movies,
> and yes violent chicken fights in Family Guy. I can't believe that you
> think sheilding our precious children from fake deer hunting should
> really be the top priority.
I didn't go on a "SAVE THE CHILDREN!" rant. I just said I didn't
think it was a family oriented theme! If you want to play it w/ your
kids, be my guest. All I'm saying is, when I think "family theme"
when it comes to pinball...I think of Shrek, Wheel of
Fortune....things like that. Not guns and shooting deer.
OK, yell at me some more now. :)
Greg
Abby Normal
Kenbo
<rareh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>I didn't go on a "SAVE THE CHILDREN!" rant. I just said I didn't
>think it was a family oriented theme! If you want to play it w/ your
>kids, be my guest. All I'm saying is, when I think "family theme"
>when it comes to pinball...I think of Shrek, Wheel of
>Fortune....things like that. Not guns and shooting deer.
>
Feel-gooders think nature is gentle and kind and it would be a
paradise were it not for the evil humans.
Come over to our house and help clean up all the deer, dog and goat
carcasses left behind by coyotes. They even pack up and go after
calves.
If it were named "Coyote Hunter" would that be better?
But then there's the feelings of that poor, hapless Wile E. Coyote to
consider.
Yeesh. Nature is harsh, not gentle. People are part of nature. Teach
your kids some reality for a change.
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Rare Hero
>
But you see, people who like to shoot guns for sport and use them for
protection and hunt are unenlightened. We are violent and evil and
care nothing for the environment. We also produce as much greenhouse
gas as possible to bring on global warming even faster. Hell as hot as
it was this year we could all fry next month.
Abby Normal
> But you see, people who like to shoot guns for sport and use them for
> protection and hunt are unenlightened. We are violent and evil and
> care nothing for the environment. We also produce as much greenhouse
> gas as possible to bring on global warming even faster. Hell as hot as
> it was this year we could all fry next month.
I know you are being silly, but it's really quite the opposite.
Factory farming of animals produces greenhouse gases, causes soil
erosion and deforestation. If you buy meat in a store you are harming
the environment.
Hunting animals however, is very green. You don't harm the natural
habitat and you help strengthen the herd by culling the weak and
stupid. Hunting is natural, and therefore, green.
I just never liked the video game in the first place, not because it's
about killing animal (you can kill animals in lots of games), but
because it was boring. Much like Golden T, it's a boring, pointless
game that takes up space where you could have a pinball machine
instead.
Abby Normal
vegetarian. Otherwise it's a wee bit hypocritical, don't you think?
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
I dont like the game either, I think its dumb and really I dont like
to hunt. I love aminals and it really pains me to see one killed but
I also feel it is a persons right to do so if he does it responsibly
then they can bring me some of the meat. As far as the meat industry
goes, I am a meat eater and the more the merrier. I am sure the
industry coulds be a somewhat gentler in there treatment of the
animals but there is nothing I can do about that. A piece of info for
you, in Genesis it says that everything was vegetarian till sin
entered the world then some animals as well as humans ate meat so I
guess it is just a evil in a imperfect world. My post was to poke a
little fun at the semmingly intolerant nature of that one post.
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh and I dont believe in global warming. It is just another fear
tactic by the government to controll the population and create a
GLOBAL crisis. Many priminant scientist poo poo the global warming
scam but you sure dont hear about it in the media. Climates change,
always have and always will but there is nothing we can do about it.
Rare Hero
> My post was to poke a little fun at the semmingly intolerant nature of that one post.
I challenge you to read my post again and find one thing that was
intolerant...although I'm not sure what "semmingly" is.
I merely posted an opinion that it was not a "family" theme, and that
other Stern themes are more timeless than he was giving credit for.
There was nothing intolerant. Just an opinion. I'm not going to get
into a whole hunting vs. anti-hunting thing, as it's irrelevant. In
fact, I agree w/ what Abby posted....so there ya go.
Greg
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
Im just funnin ya dude. When you say " Not all people find killing
animals appealing" or " not all families allow their kids to play
violent video games it just comes off as if your saying you dont and
noone else should either. In reality I hate BBH and I dont like
hunting either because I dont like killing animals but if someone else
wants to I hope they bring me some of the meat. I do have many guns
and they are always loaded and within reach. My kids have shot all of
them and they know what they can do so they leave them alone. We
believe that it isnt the gun who kills people its the scumbag pulling
the trigger that kills people and if you take the guns they will use
knives or sticks. I like violent video games and I let my kid play
some of them but people with sence understand that it is a game and it
isnt real. That being said I dont allow games like Grand Theft Auto
because I think it sends a bad message even if it is just a game.
Arent I allowed to give you guys a hard time right back?
meka
eating. the horrible conditions that animals raised to be eaten are
kept in is where I have a problem.
bbh will have its fans but will turn off many more imho. its also a
niche theme for the hunting and gun crowd, a horrible choice by stern.
what the hell are they thinking with this one? wont be any more
successful than nascar, how did that go...
Kevin Strasser
> Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
> good luck with BBHunter video game. Some of the better route earners
> Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
> Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
> continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
> which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
No, not excited at all. I think it is a total crap license. As bad or
worse than washed up TV series licenses of the past year. They need to
get much more creative with their licenses. I can think of at least a
few hundred licenses that would be better than this one. NBA Ballers
is crap also.
Business and economy is bad enough...but Stern is not helping
themselves with these idiotic theme choices.
- Kevin
Lloyd Olson
birthmark there Al".
LTG
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Abby Normal
> fwiw I am a vegetarian and have no problem with hunting or meat
> eating. the horrible conditions that animals raised to be eaten are
> kept in is where I have a problem.
>
I'm veggie for the same reason. I don't think factory farming is
humane or healthy. I don't think eating meat is wrong or immoral.
It's what is right for me, not for everyone.
> bbh will have its fans but will turn off many more imho. its also a
> niche theme for the hunting and gun crowd, a horrible choice by stern.
Almost everyone I work with hunts, and none of them are very
interested in pinball.
> what the hell are they thinking with this one? wont be any more
> successful than nascar, how did that go...
If it's popular, and brings in new players I guess we can't complain.
After all, not all themes will appeal to every one.
But I don't think Buck Hunters target audence (drunk guys in bars) are
going to be all that interested in something as complex as pinball.
If it's a comical hunting farce type of game it could be fun. As
always, until I play it I won't know.
But as it stands I think it's a bad choice.
Abby Normal
> Even the deer getting hunted were funny in the Far Side. "Heck of a
> birthmark there Al".
If they go for funny with this theme it could be a winner.
We've had far too many dark, serious themes lately.
Lloyd Olson
operator selectable. Funny like the moose in Breakshot, or more like the
video game itself. Then it could be tailored to location.
After Columbine, I got rid of all but one gun game ( kept Police Trainer )
even if they don't come in, the public is aware of the equipment you
operate.
LTG
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Expat
> With the way stern software is going it will be Big Doe Hunter because
> it costs to much to put antlers on deer.
LOL! I think ya might have nailed it...
BUT it's a hunting game by its very nature its gotta be simple...
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
The only situations I have seen as far as animals being raised for
food is cattle ranches and those aint to bad. I have heard that the
auctions they send them too arent real nice but I have never seen one.
I just cant think of anything that could be done to better the
situation of animals being raised for food other than just treating
them as humane as possible.I hate the thought of any animal being
mistreated as well but I think it is just one of those evils of the
world.
Toolguy
I tell you who would be excited and that is all the hunters here in
Michigan!
I think there should be two versions and one were you can hunt stupid
people, from the deers standpoint too! : )
Or Babes, Big Babe Hunter. (the newest PlayBoy copy machine)
Ron Strom
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ldnayman
> On Apr 7, 7:51�am, ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I think your self-righteous opposition to this game is really funny,
>
> How am I being self righteous? �The OP said this was a family theme
> and a timeless classic and I disagreed. �You're the one throwing
> insults and getting all defensive. �Read my original post. �It was an
> even handed opinion...not putting anyone down...just offering a
> different opinion.
>
You're right I should have read your post more clearly.
Woz
> Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> appeal to all. Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
> The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
> good luck with BBHunter video game. Some of the better route earners
> Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
> Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
> continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
> which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
No - not excited. Excuse my ignorance but WTF is Buck Hunter anyway?
Woz
appetite4pinball
could be pretty cool if done right. When you think about it BBH is
about as close to an unlicensed theme as you can get. We shouldn't
have to worry about photoshopped art or bad voice impersonations. I
would also imagine that the DMD animations would be hand-drawn instead
of pulled from video clips. If they could lighten up the theme a bit
and put some humor in it (Think Wh20 or FT) it could be a winner.
Does anyone know if this is a Nordman game or Borg? If it's Borg,
disregard everything i said because it will suck. But in the hands of
a talented designer like Nordman it could be great! Case in point is
WH20. One of my favorite games, even though i have never white water
rafted in my life.
-Mike
seymour-shabow
Nordman was purged in the last layoffs so unless he's doing freelance
for them, it'll be Borg.
-scott CARGPB#29
Lloyd Olson
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entertaining than this game is ever going to be! ;-)
If it keeps a few more deer from bouncing off my wife's car (while I'm
driving... twice in the last three years!) then I say blast Bambi and
get over it. I don't hunt, but I love venison jerky... good stuff!
Stern needs to find better themes... Like the Munsters! (shameless
plug for future theme)
Chuck E.
ldnayman
>
> Nordman was purged in the last layoffs so unless he's doing freelance
> for them, it'll be Borg.
>
> -scott CARGPB#29
In the end the Nordman comeback was pretty unsatisfying no? A rehashed
Dr. Dude (POTC) and a game nobody seems to like (WOF) and then
thankyouverymuch.
To think he was once viewed as the "fanman" slayer...
Pinballed
> Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> appeal to all. Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
> The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
> good luck with BBHunter video game. Some of the better route earners
> Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
> Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
> continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
> which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
Excited about Big Buck Hunter? Appeals to all?!
N.O.
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I don't hunt, but I love venison jerky... good stuff!
Stern needs to find better themes... Like the Munsters! (shameless
plug for future theme)
Chuck E.
You like Munster jerky ?
chuck
I'm happy stern is still in business. Let's hope it stays that way.
Rare Hero
> In the end the Nordman comeback was pretty unsatisfying no? A rehashed
> Dr. Dude (POTC) and a game nobody seems to like (WOF) and then
> thankyouverymuch.
I think there's a lot of love around here now for WoF....saving a few
thousand on a brand new game will do that. :) It sucks that the
Wizard Bonus inserts don't do shit, nor do the contestant inserts in
the Prize Bank....but it's a well designed game and really fun. Just
needs the software finished to utilize the things that aren't doing
anything.
Greg
AND
lots of things you could do with this playfield and cab wise. im sure
the shooter rod will be unique. HEY STERN, if you need design ideas/
help call me. some of us young blood newbies can chip in who are fresh
engineers and designers.
BTW- the nice thing about the video game is, kids play it and adults
(boys/girls men and women).
Abby Normal
> BTW- the nice thing about the video game is, kids play it and adults
> (boys/girls men and women).
I've never seen one outside of a bar, so I've never seen a kid playing
it.
kru...@aol.com
WOW!!! This got so far off of the topic of pinball. Bring it back in
folks.
Lloyd Olson
year.
LTG
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Kenbo
<steven.van...@gmail.com> wrote:
>And how do you figure governments would gain by making this up? I
>think it's more the other way around: governments gain by not having
>to do much about it.
You don't understand this? Really?
mohog454
> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:11:06 -0700 (PDT), Steven
>
> >And how do you figure governments would gain by making this up? I
> >think it's more the other way around: governments gain by not having
> >to do much about it.
>
> You don't understand this? Really?
I have waitng for a theme to come where I am excited to purchase NIB.
Well this will be my first. I have BBH CoTW and love it. I am also a
lifelong hunter. I don't need to get into a pro hunting/anti hunting
debate here, but what I can tell you is my machine is far and away the
most played game always! And to my knowlage, besides myself and my
father, no one else who has played it has ever hunted. It is also
always being played in any bar I see one in. Bottom line: (and this
will vary from state to state) I find that about 30% of people are
hunters, 5% are anti hunting, and 65% could give a shit! At least
around here,(AZ) theme will not be an issue. I do agree though that it
might be hard to attract new players. I believe the experiance of
holding the gun and firing is alot of the draw. Just my opinion
MOHOG454 AZ
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > Oh and I dont believe in global warming. It is just another fear
> > tactic by the government to controll the population and create a
> > GLOBAL crisis. Many priminant scientist poo poo the global warming
> > scam but you sure dont hear about it in the media. Climates change,
> > always have and always will but there is nothing we can do about it.
>
> I hope you're being sarcastic, but I guess you're not. Sure... your
> opinion must be better then 95% of the scientists. :p.
> And how do you figure governments would gain by making this up? I
> think it's more the other way around: governments gain by not having
> to do much about it.
Governments want control. Their ultimate goal is to gain ultimate
control of everything in a global government. By telling you the world
is coming to an end they can scare you into going green which makes
lots of money. It also gives a global goal to save the planet which
leads to a science of globalism. Look what they have done with the
polar bear thing. By giving the pb endangered status they can claim
that GW is melting the icecaps and taking away their habitat, then
they can tax the crap out of anything the produces greenhouse gasses
which will cause your gas, electricity natural gas to skyrocket. The
gov always needs a monster to scare people into clinging to it. It
used to be the cold war nor its terrorism and GW and the economy. They
can scare you into doing anything they want. Soon they will tell you
we need a global currency then a cashless society and you will praise
them because you are scared of something they produced. Many scientist
have said GW is a farce but you wont hear about it because the powers
that be wont let the message get out. Not long ago the pres of the
weather channel said GW was fake but thet didnt get around did it. The
leader of the EU also said it wasnt real but that didnt get out
either. I say again read a book called Behold A Pale Horse and you
will see what the gov is up to or just go to youtube and search New
World Order and you will see enough to make you shit your pants. You
wont because you have drank the cool-aid. Why is it called climate
change now instead of global warming now? Because people are seeing
that it is getting colder every year not warmer so now they are saying
that GW will make it get colder, WTF.
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
Sorry I ment a SENCE of globalism.
Rare Hero
> Sorry I ment a SENCE of globalism.
I is glads you be edumacating us.
Greg
Abby Normal
No, you meant sense. :-)
RomulusX
> On Apr 6, 11:37 pm, pinballp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> > appeal to all. Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
> > The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
> > good luck with BBHunter video game. Some of the better route earners
> > Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
> > Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
> > continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
> > which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
>
> cult of seal-clubbers and wolf-pup shooters. So yeah, a pretty big
> audience. :-P
So much for being an open minded Liberal
Larry Scott
> habitat and you help strengthen the herd by culling the weak and
> stupid. Hunting is natural, and therefore, green.
Perhaps if you chased the animals on foot with a knife, you'd get the
weak and stupid ones. However, I don't think picking them off with a
rifle from a distance really does much for culling the herd. If
anything, hunters like to get the best game (most points on a deer,
etc) which culls the better animals instead of the weak ones.
Not taking sides in this debate, just pointing out some seriously
flawed logic :)
> I just never liked the video game in the first place, not because it's
> about killing animal (you can kill animals in lots of games), but
> because it was boring. Much like Golden T, it's a boring, pointless
Both Golden Tee and BBH are among the best earners in recent history
(GT not so much anymore, but it sure was a good run while it lasted).
The BBH license will attract coindrop from those who liked the
videogame.
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yea what you said. should have spell checked my correction.
Kenbo
[...]
>
>Governments want control. Their ultimate goal is to gain ultimate
>control of everything in a global government. By telling you the world
>is coming to an end they can scare you into going green which makes
>lots of money. It also gives a global goal to save the planet which
>leads to a science of globalism.
[snip]
And now a non-political observation...
Federal funds go mostly to crisis science. To get federal grants it
benefits the careers of scientists to push a crisis.
Is it surprising that when a crisis is well funded that scientists
hungry for fame and fortune jump on the bandwagon?
Then when scientists advance a theory that is proven wrong their
careers are basically over. So they almost NEVER admit they are wrong.
There's something very wrong with science and science funding. It is
every bit as valuable to know that something is NOT true as it is to
know something IS true. Failed experiments and theories are valuable
as knowledge but not valued in the culture of science.
The funding problem also happens in medical research.
I know an immunologist who does research at a federal medical
institution. He and his lab partner have discovered a method that may
well CURE many autoimmune diseases (leukemia, diabetes, organ
rejection, etc). It's amazing, mice given an autoimmune disease that
is 100% fatal live out a normal life after one treatment.
Can they get federal funding? Hell no, it's not a crisis.
Taylor-VA
nope.
Larry Scott
> control of everything in a global government. By telling you the world
You mean the same governments that can't even agree on how to fix the
economy? You think they're all working together behind the scenes to
take over the world?
> leads to a science of globalism. Look what they have done with the
> polar bear thing. By giving the pb endangered status they can claim
> that GW is melting the icecaps and taking away their habitat, then
Do you dispute the sharp reduction in polar bear population over the
last 30 years? If so, do you have any facts to back up such a
dispute?
> gov always needs a monster to scare people into clinging to it. It
> used to be the cold war nor its terrorism and GW and the economy. They
> can scare you into doing anything they want. Soon they will tell you
I think your tinfoil hat is a bit too tight :)
> them because you are scared of something they produced. Many scientist
> have said GW is a farce but you wont hear about it because the powers
> that be wont let the message get out. Not long ago the pres of the
Many more scientists (by a factor of 10 or so) say it's real. Also,
who exactly are the "powers that be" and exactly how are they stopping
dissident scientists from publishing their opinions? It doesn't look
like they're doing a very good job.. 5 seconds on Google turned up
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/swindle.htm and
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/03/023144.php and dozens
more right in the first few pages...
> weather channel said GW was fake but thet didnt get around did it. The
Citation? Also, what scientific background does this president have?
> leader of the EU also said it wasnt real but that didnt get out
> either.
It got out to you, apprently :) Citation?
> will see what the gov is up to or just go to youtube and search New
> World Order and you will see enough to make you shit your pants. You
Dude, if you search youtube long enough, you'll find a video of
someone shitting their pants. You take home youtube videos that
seriously?
> wont because you have drank the cool-aid. Why is it called climate
> change now instead of global warming now? Because people are seeing
> that it is getting colder every year not warmer so now they are saying
> that GW will make it get colder, WTF.
No, global warming causes more extremes in the climate. That means
warmer overall, but with more intense localized cold (and hot)
spikes. Actually, the exact effects of global warming are very
location-dependent, and some areas will benefit. Russia stands to
gain quite a bit of arable farmland as Siberia thaws out...
BigChris
> Im pretty excited if produced. First a timeless theme that can
> appeal to all. Also can be a great bar piece as well as family game.
> The name recognition for the ops should be good also as all have had
> good luck with BBHunter video game. Some of the better route earners
> Ive had are Fishtales, World Cup and Striker Extreme, Theatre/Magic.
> Those above titles if maintained properly are timeless and can
> continue to earn for many many years. They are not dated by a license
> which in 3 years no one will know what it is. JR
It is a new pinball machine from the only remaining manufacturer of
pinball machines.
Of course I am excited.
How anyone on this group could not be is beyond me.
Go sign up for Rec.Games.BooHooitisnotapinballthemeIlike
Chris
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
> > Governments want control. Their ultimate goal is to gain ultimate
> > control of everything in a global government. By telling you the world
>
> You mean the same governments that can't even agree on how to fix the
> economy? You think they're all working together behind the scenes to
> take over the world?
>
> > leads to a science of globalism. Look what they have done with the
> > polar bear thing. By giving the pb endangered status they can claim
> > that GW is melting the icecaps and taking away their habitat, then
>
> Do you dispute the sharp reduction in polar bear population over the
> last 30 years? If so, do you have any facts to back up such a
> dispute?
>
> > gov always needs a monster to scare people into clinging to it. It
> > used to be the cold war nor its terrorism and GW and the economy. They
> > can scare you into doing anything they want. Soon they will tell you
>
> I think your tinfoil hat is a bit too tight :)
>
> > them because you are scared of something they produced. Many scientist
> > have said GW is a farce but you wont hear about it because the powers
> > that be wont let the message get out. Not long ago the pres of the
>
> Many more scientists (by a factor of 10 or so) say it's real. Also,
> who exactly are the "powers that be" and exactly how are they stopping
> dissident scientists from publishing their opinions? It doesn't look
> more right in the first few pages...
>
> > weather channel said GW was fake but thet didnt get around did it. The
>
> Citation? Also, what scientific background does this president have?
>
> > leader of the EU also said it wasnt real but that didnt get out
> > either.
>
> It got out to you, apprently :) Citation?
>
> > will see what the gov is up to or just go to youtube and search New
> > World Order and you will see enough to make you shit your pants. You
>
> Dude, if you search youtube long enough, you'll find a video of
> someone shitting their pants. You take home youtube videos that
> seriously?
>
> > wont because you have drank the cool-aid. Why is it called climate
> > change now instead of global warming now? Because people are seeing
> > that it is getting colder every year not warmer so now they are saying
> > that GW will make it get colder, WTF.
>
> No, global warming causes more extremes in the climate. That means
> warmer overall, but with more intense localized cold (and hot)
> spikes. Actually, the exact effects of global warming are very
> location-dependent, and some areas will benefit. Russia stands to
> gain quite a bit of arable farmland as Siberia thaws out...
I take that with a grain of salt but I do take the Pale Horse book
seriously
Milt
>
> I'm happy stern is still in business. Let's hope it stays that way.
Very well put, I wish more people could see it that way instead of all
but saying they are hoping for Stern to go out of business.
Del
> stupid.
I wanted to do that soooooo many times....
Del
Larry Scott
> institution. He and his lab partner have discovered a method that may
> well CURE many autoimmune diseases (leukemia, diabetes, organ
> rejection, etc). It's amazing, mice given an autoimmune disease that
> is 100% fatal live out a normal life after one treatment.
>
> Can they get federal funding? Hell no, it's not a crisis.
Just saw a link on slashdot, looks like the folks down under might be
working on this...
loo...@goatstore.com
I think they are in every Wal*Mart.
Yeah, seriously.
machine.slave
excitement............................................
It would be cool if they re-branded the same pin though, like they did
with FG
kidorbit
> I know an immunologist who does research at a federal medical
> institution. He and his lab partner have discovered a method that may
> well CURE many autoimmune diseases (leukemia, diabetes, organ
> rejection, etc). It's amazing, mice given an autoimmune disease that
> is 100% fatal live out a normal life after one treatment.
>
> Can they get federal funding? Hell no, it's not a crisis.
If it is so promising what do they need public funding for? If such a
claim was legitimate there would be plenty of private sector companies
falling over themselves for access to such an opportunity for profit.
loo...@goatstore.com
I think that BBH could be awesome if they treat the title correctly --
in other words, if they don't try treating it seriously like the game
does. Having the game treat it seriously like it does is fine, since
you can have the digital versions of the animals running around and
you can hunt them in a semi-realistic fashion.
However, you won't be able to do it realistically like that with the
pinball machine, since you have a DMD and there isn't that same sort
of realism. If they take the idea of doing some goofy hunting
stereotype things and then ramping them up -- not to poke fun of
hunters specifically, but to have jokes both for them and broad enough
that non hunters will get them -- and this game will 'live on' like
Fish Tales does. Add some talking deer (maybe like the Trolls in MM)
and other funny outdoorsy type things (outhouse, other animals, etc)
and you could have a real winner here.
As for the topic of whether people agree with hunting or not, it seems
the video game does fine on location without those people that think
there is something morally wrong with hunting playing it. And, with
seemingly a BBH in every Wal*Mart out there, maybe this is the game
that could convince Wal*Mart to carry a pinball machine (I'm not
kidding when I say that every Wal*Mart I've been in -- admittedly,
this is Wisconsin area -- has a BBH or a spin off game), in which case
that right there would be a significant boost to sales and pinball
would be in a very public location again.
Seems like it could be a very good all around game to me. It also
does have the chance to go the opposite direction and be a steaming
turd.
hsch...@sbcglobal.net
For private sector companies the opportunity for profit is in TREATING
diseases/conditions, not in curing them.
Herb Schanke
Kenbo
Clearly you don't understand the realities of business. First, you have
to get patents in all countries where you wish to do business. Very
expensive. Pharmaceutical companies all want exclusive rights - without
any guarantees that they will make 'best effort' to bring products to
market. They're searching for venture capital but that's hard to come by
these days. The current plan is to patent everywhere, then sell the
octamers to interested pharmaceutical companies as a product.
Don't make the naive assumption that Pharmaceutical companies make money
selling "cures" - they don't. They make far more money selling lifetimes
worth of meds.
seymour-shabow
You're supposed to wait until after it comes out, and then say it sucks.
That works much better.
-scott CARGPB#29
p.s. CSI SUCKED......
Rare Hero
Who's saying they want Stern to go out of business!? Those of us
bitching about titles like BBH are dong so because we WANT them to
stay in business. Stern's not the pope...he's not infallible. We're
allowed to critique. After years of good-to-excellent games and
relatively smart & widely appealing licenses (2003-2007), 2008 brought
is a GREAT license but a shitty game (Indy), a GREAT license and a
rushed game (Batman), and then a string of awful licenses, merits of
the games debatable (CSI, 24, NBA, BBH). Most of us who bitch 'n moan
do so because we've seen (and own) the really cool stuff Stern had
been doing, and would love for that to continue.
That being said - there is some merit in the fact that BBH is a coin
op hit and that lots of Wal Marts seem to have them. This could be
good or bad. Good if ops are "swooned" by the successful title and
buy a ton of 'em. Bad if the ops say "I've got an easy to maintain
BBH vid on location that has already paid for itself...wtf would I put
an expensive pin on location that I have to go clean and fix every
week."
Aside from the business part of it - I definitely agree w/ what seems
to be a consensus: This game MUST be in the vein of Fish Tales. If
they use the realistic art from the arcade cabs as playfield/
translight art, and the seriousness of the arcade theme..it's going to
be an odd pinball. If they just use the name for recognition factor
- and let Yousi or O'Connor go absolutely original w/ fun, colorful,
goofy artwork ....this COULD work and be the closest thing to an
"original" theme since the WMS days.
Greg
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
So right. My daughter has had diabetes since she was 8 month old. They
will never "find" a cure because they make to much money selling their
damn insulin and pumps and testing equipment. I will see her die from
this disease because of the fucking greed of corporate medicine.
Lloyd Olson
here, they'll lock you pu and throw away the key.
LTG
In memory of Al Garber, CARGPB 33 1/3
"Del" <dsha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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loo...@goatstore.com
> Who's saying they want Stern to go out of business!? Those of us
> bitching about titles like BBH are dong so because we WANT them to
> stay in business. Stern's not the pope...he's not infallible. We're
> allowed to critique. After years of good-to-excellent games and
> relatively smart & widely appealing licenses (2003-2007), 2008 brought
> is a GREAT license but a shitty game (Indy), a GREAT license and a
> rushed game (Batman), and then a string of awful licenses, merits of
> the games debatable (CSI, 24, NBA, BBH). Most of us who bitch 'n moan
> do so because we've seen (and own) the really cool stuff Stern had
> been doing, and would love for that to continue.
We haven't seen NBA nor BBH yet, and in my opinion the NBA is a
spectacular property, along with properties like MLB and the NFL,
although the NBA probably has better worldwide legs than the other two
licenses would.
As for CSI or 24 being awful licenses, I don't think they are bad at
all. Not as instantly recognizable as Indy or Batman, but still
pretty decent. Jury's out on BBH.
> That being said - there is some merit in the fact that BBH is a coin
> op hit and that lots of Wal Marts seem to have them. This could be
> good or bad. Good if ops are "swooned" by the successful title and
> buy a ton of 'em. Bad if the ops say "I've got an easy to maintain
> BBH vid on location that has already paid for itself...wtf would I put
> an expensive pin on location that I have to go clean and fix every
> week."
Exactly. No matter what, I expect a ton of them in the Wisconsin
area, as hunting is a very big pastime around here, and there are BBH
games practically where ever you look.
> Aside from the business part of it - I definitely agree w/ what seems
> to be a consensus: This game MUST be in the vein of Fish Tales. If
> they use the realistic art from the arcade cabs as playfield/
> translight art, and the seriousness of the arcade theme..it's going to
> be an odd pinball. If they just use the name for recognition factor
> - and let Yousi or O'Connor go absolutely original w/ fun, colorful,
> goofy artwork ....this COULD work and be the closest thing to an
> "original" theme since the WMS days.
Agreed. Having said that, I think that the game could be pulled off
even with semi-serious artwork on it. There is a ton of directions
that this game could go, and I guess we'll see where it lands.
The one thing that I hope for is a gun trigger (instead of a plunger)
and a skill shot like JP had.
kidorbit
You're right, risk is involved and I risked everything to start my own
small business. Your approach is pawning the risk off onto the US
taxpayer. What I said is 100% correct, if this research was real
private firms would get involved and they would invest in the overseas
patents and everything else just you said. And even in a slow economy
there is plenty of investment money for legitimate investments. I
laugh when people like you infer business of being driven by greed yet
here is a chance for one to make obscene profits and there are no
takers? So what is it are they greedy or not?
Now let me lecture you on business. Every dollar of tax money taken
from my or any other company to fund your research among other things
is a dollar less that can be invested in new machinery or hiring more
employees or even buying a NIB pinball if I damn well feel like it to
help the good people at Stern out. Out of control government spending
is killing the producers in this county and the last thing we need is
people like you to lecture us on how our money should be spent.
chuck
You know a whole lot of people consider FG to be an aweful license.
Everyone's definition of a good license varies.
Kenbo
wrote:
[...]
>
>Now let me lecture you on business. Every dollar of tax money taken
>from my or any other company to fund your research among other things
>is a dollar less that can be invested in new machinery or hiring more
>employees or even buying a NIB pinball if I damn well feel like it to
>help the good people at Stern out. Out of control government spending
>is killing the producers in this county and the last thing we need is
>people like you to lecture us on how our money should be spent.
I made a quick, passing reference without detail to an issue being
fought and you leap to the conclusion that we're somehow trying to
leach off the taxpayer. Since I was not clear and didn't want to
spend a half hour typing before I'll attempt to clear it up now.
We are financing this venture with private money. Dozens of investors
(myself and my extended family included) have invested several hundred
thousand dollars into this venture. The two principals have mortgaged
their homes, and one of the guys daughter has diabetes so nobody wants
to find a cure more than he does.
The first battle was *with* the government. These two researchers
discovered the hopeful cure while working as "at will" employees for
the VA. Their JOB was to advance theories and write grant applications
to the FDA to fund research. So the government was paying them to
write grant applications for more money. If they aren't awarded grants
they don't get paid.
The VA, like most government agencies, is stupid. They did not have
them sign over their patent rights. When the discovery was made the VA
fought a protracted battle to try to seize the patent rights from them
which they had no legal right to. After tens of thousands in legal
fees and several court hearings the VA's case was finally thrown out.
The VA retaliated by refusing to submit any grant applications they
wrote for funding. This not only left them without jobs but also with
a lab to work in, equipment to use, raw materials to work with and
animals to test on.
So the passing reference I made to goverment funding would have more
accurately been aimed at politics within the VA itself, and the idiocy
of paying people to write grants to get yet more money.
My opinion is that government should NOT be funding this crap, but
they do so people play the game. When a company uses government funds
to develop treatments then that treatment should be subject to price
regulation and shared with other pharmaceutical companies. If
companies fund 100% of their research then they can charge whatever
the hell they want. And the policy of spending billions to treat "PC"
diseases rather than diseases that cause the most deaths and misery is
disgusting.
As for you, you are a pompous ass for presuming to lecture somebody
when you have no clue on what the situation really is or what our
backgrounds are. I am a business owner and know at least as much, if
not more, than you on how things work. So FOAD and plonk.
Rare Hero
> You know a whole lot of people consider FG to be an aweful license.
That's true, most of us are full of awe when we play our FGY!!!!!
:)
Greg