OT: Thanks a lot Obama
Art
dont blame this on Bush you f**king weasel - this is your economy,
your stimulus, your incompetent attempt to run an economy - you
inherited a mess, to be sure, but you've made it a hell of a lot worse
that ass hat Biden had it right during the campaign - the Presidency
is not the place for on the job training
and now you want to saddle us with the health care bill - what a great
job your government did with the flu vaccine, VA care, and all the
rest
remember bud - one of these days those that can produce, and innovate,
and create jobs - won't - and then who will you look to to tax for
your takeover of America and your attempt to make us all dependent on
Daddy Hussein for jobs and medical care and all the rest - just
remember what happened in England - Thatcher said something to the
effect of "what do you do when you have taken all you can from those
that have"
and what a nice wrap up to the economic news - a terrorist attack on
American soil, at an Army base no less - God help us all - and dont
give us any of that crap about "dont jump to conclusions" - the
scumbag was a Muslim, and killed Americans - nuff said, both facts
if that had been a white guy shooting up an Acorn office with a Glen
Beck book in his car, you can damn well bet that conclusions would be
drawn
anyway, you're not MY president and I think that as the polls continue
you wont be the President for much more than a quarter of US
there - *I* feel better now, and I frankly don't give a damn what
anyone else thinks
Art
Rock
guy has less than a year in office and you expect him to undo dozens
of years of problems? Please.....
RomulusX
Obama and Biden did sayunemployment would not exceed 8% if
they hurried and passed his stimulus bill.This is a fact Jack!
JonC
I blame Congress, both parties, those dipsh*ts don't have a clue.
Jon
Spbeyond
Sucks, but you cant blame this on someone who only has 1 year in
office.. Kinda hard to clean up 2 terms off BULL#*# in 365 days. He
is guilty of being wrong about his stimulus I think though. NOT a good
move.
PinChamp
fault.
But Obama has basically pissed away America's future with all this
wasteful socialist spending and deficit nonsense. That money will
have to come from somewhere, and the somewhere is todays younger
generations, and their kids.
Bottom lin, . . all democrats and republicans are idiots.
The only way to get America fixed is to elect leaders willing to be
non affiliated with a party, and non-willing to accept campaign
contributions.
We need someone to commit political suicide. They need to make very
unpopular decisions today, that will benefit the country most over the
long haul. They will never be re-elected, but in the long run they
will be remembered as getting America back on track.
Where can we find such nonselfish individuals willing to put their
country before personal political gain?
Oh well, the point is moot. The media would never give anyone with
such ideals enough coverage to be elected by the ignorant masses.
Good luck America, . . .the clock is ticking.
Joe Grenuk
Joe
so
How do LED look in an IJ? I was thinking of getting some.
J. Weaver Jr.
> But Obama has basically pissed away America's future with all this
> wasteful socialist spending and deficit nonsense.
Damn straight. Social Security's gotta go, and Medicare's gotta go, and
corporate farm subsidies gotta go, and...
Wait. That's what you meant, right? -JW
Herb
I used them in my Bank A Ball and they look fantastic. Just a hint to
everyone donot put behind a backglass in a em it looks better with the
44's.
As far as who I use I use both. Being a dealer I get the same
percentage off on the matter.
Joe- I also put in a woodrail inder the numbered bumpers wow what a
look. Not cheap when buying a 100.
Herb
FredMaine
> they hurried and passed his stimulus bill.This is a fact Jack!
Quote your source.
> 10.2% unemeployment, after how many hundreds of billions in stimulus?
Jobs are the last thing to improve. Companies won't hire until they
can't meet demand. Republican lawmakers are grandstanding now because
they know this is true, and it makes them look good. Hell companies
won't hire until they can't meet demand even in a -good- economy. Do
you think they're going to do that now?
mattyb
They know exactly what their doing. It's the voters who don't have a
clue. MattyB
mattyb
I meant they're, not their.
kreed
He is doing the exact same thing, continuing to run and even expand
illegal middle east wars, giving trillions of your
money to banksters, basically taking the nation apart.
He just has a more positive media coverage than Bush did....for now.
He is NOT there to fix things, nor would Mc Cain, Clinton or whoever
else could have won.
kreed
> I don't blame Obama for the mess we are in. That was the dildo Bush's
> fault.
>
> But Obama has basically pissed away America's future with all this
> wasteful socialist spending and deficit nonsense. That money will
> have to come from somewhere, and the somewhere is todays younger
> generations, and their kids.
>
> Bottom lin, . . all democrats and republicans are idiots.
>
Yep
> The only way to get America fixed is to elect leaders willing to be
> non affiliated with a party, and non-willing to accept campaign
> contributions.
>
>
> We need someone to commit political suicide. They need to make very
> unpopular decisions today, that will benefit the country most over the
> long haul. They will never be re-elected, but in the long run they
> will be remembered as getting America back on track.
>
Enforce constitutional rights, free people to trade, run business, or
their trade without stupid restriction,
allow people to manufacture and innovate.
> Where can we find such nonselfish individuals willing to put their
> country before personal political gain?
>
> Oh well, the point is moot. The media would never give anyone with
> such ideals enough coverage to be elected by the ignorant masses.
>
> Good luck America, . . .the clock is ticking.
Someone who is thinking, and coming up with a scenario that I agree to
be the case.
Sadly, it likely won't happen, there are too many who are either
asleep or keep falling for the same old left/right wing illusion.
People like Homebrood for example make me feel sad, he probably is a
nice, decent guy, and probably knows a lot about pinball, but seems
blinded by bullshit.
Prepare and protect yourself and your family for when the shit really
hits the fan. Darwin's law (whether you believe in him or not) will
take care of the morons.
Many sit and believe that because they have led the priviliged life
(never not had food, water, power, etc) that that will continue
automatically without them needing to fight to protect it, and be
vigilant.
jammer74
less than a year to fix what WE allowed OUR elected officials to do to
OUR economy and country over the past 40 yrs, You would think it was
Jesus Christ himself that OUR country elected into office with the
miracles you're expecting.
Take responsibility for yourself and your money and take a realistic
look at how much commitment, research and dedication you've put into
your voting during your adult life.
I really don't agree with whats going on but nobody has done a
sufficient job since I've been a registered voter no matter if my
choice was elected or not.
My theory is our government is crushing our economy and quality of
living down to conform to fit as a cog in the world economy. nwo has
not gone away.
iso 9000 certs is just one simple example
jimmy
oh and bottom line is if you are a U.S. citizen this IS YOUR country,
YOUR government and Obama is YOUR president like it or not.
Jazman
government class in grade school? Ever watch School House Rock?
The president, be it Bush or Obama, does not make the laws. The House
and Senate do. The president has influence and set some policies, but
the buck stops at the House and Senate.
We've had a House and Senate controlled by the Democrats for the last 3
years. If you don't like the way things are, I suggest you start by
looking there...
miracleman
PLONK!
jammer74
roscoe p. coletrain and shithead aka bush and the marksman vp did
nothing positive in eight yrs but set the bush oil legacy up higher
and pay haliburned -us back 10,000 fold for the 31mil severance pay
chanster got.
clinton unbalanced free trade screwed us just as bad in a different
way .
bush senior was a gun runner at heart
and good ole' reaganomics did wonders didn't it.
when were we really improving???
wedgehead3
Art, I don't know who you are but you're my new hero on this
group!!!..........A week ago Obama said that HIS stimulus plan has
finally started to make inroads to getting the economy back on track
to recovery...With that statement right there he has claimed this
economy as HIS own...He can no longer blame Bush for this economy
after making that statement...It is now HIS!!!!
Larry
Art
I do take responsibility for myself and my money and dont really want
to see it stolen to support those who do not
As far as voting goes, I have been voting for just over 40 years and
truly do not remember the last election, if any, that I missed voting
in
Art
jammer74
sorry larry but you are not very good at twisting things
it would only make HIS plan HIS attempt at a NEW remedy for the pre
existing economy.
if you go to tire shop to get a flat fixed does that make it the
shop's tire or just the patch and plug.
someone get the shears weve got another blind sheep .
lol
we may all differ in politics but we are all brothers in pinball right?
Art
I am just a rude, blunt, politically incorrect guy from upstate NY who
has sold pin and arcade parts for 10 years or so. Being almost 60
gives me some perspective; I dont usually vent like that but obama
saying not to draw conclusions about the Ft Hood Muslim terrorist set
me off.
VERY VERY good point you made about who owns the economy - if barry
wants to take credit for every little glimmer of hope he can damn well
own the unemployment figures - closer to 18% if you count short-hour
workers or those who just plain gave up and stopped looking
Art
Brian3
Last I checked Bush and his administration started the process and was
printing the money by the billions before he left office.
Unemployment always lags a recovery based on past downturns. The
stock market and spending crashed on Bush's term, not Obama's.
mrsbally
http://www.ampo.org/assets/library/184_obama.pdf
Page 5
Now, please show where you got the following information?
"Jobs are the last thing to improve. Companies won't hire until they
can't meet demand. Republican lawmakers are grandstanding now
because
they know this is true, and it makes them look good. Hell companies
won't hire until they can't meet demand even in a -good- economy. Do
you think they're going to do that now?"
GPE
yzfguy
> I prefer pickel relish on hotdogs.
So, I should buy the kit, or pick out individual LED's?
pincorrect
> 10.2% unemeployment, after how many hundreds of billions in stimulus?
Don't forget. Obama is also responsible for your tiny, tiny penis.
FredMaine
> Here you go, Fred:http://www.ampo.org/assets/library/184_obama.pdf
>
> Page 5
First point, AMPO is a lobby with an agenda.
Also, read more than page 5. It also says "As emphasized in many
points in the analysis, there is substantial uncertainty around all of
our estimates."
And:
"Among the key lessons from the analysis are:
The recovery plan needs to be large to counter the tremendous job loss
that is likely to occur."
"An aggressive recovery program is important for protecting all
Americans from job loss, but particularly for aiding those groups
disproportionately hurt by the rise in the overall unemployment rate."
"A well designed recovery plan will not only create numerous jobs, but
also many jobs paying
good wages and providing full-time employment."
Mmm. All things that were cited by members of Congress that wanted
the recovery enacted.
As I read it - my opinion - although the chart shows and estimated 8%
with recovery and 10% without, the article is actually advocating a
large recovery plan. The fact the rate with is nearly 10% only means
to me, given the uncertainty cited, that it would be near 12% now
without a recovery plan.
> Now, please show where you got the following information?
> "Jobs are the last thing to improve. Companies won't hire until they...[etc]"
That's an opinion. I've never worked in an industry that staffed up
because they felt like it or hired people only to give them nothing to
do, because would help the economy. It's my opinion that when people
feel it's safe to buy, they'll spend, then companies will hire to meet
demand.
JonC
"Description of Straw Man"
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a
person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or
misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has
the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of
X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted
version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the
position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing
of a person to hurt the person."
Jon
RomulusX
Calling president Bush a dildoe is just wrong!
MrBally
Thanks everyone.
John Robertson
> 10.2% unemeployment, after how many hundreds of billions in stimulus?
> dont blame this on Bush you f**king weasel - this is your economy,
> your stimulus, your incompetent attempt to run an economy - you
> inherited a mess, to be sure, but you've made it a hell of a lot worse
>
> there - *I* feel better now, and I frankly don't give a damn what
> anyone else thinks
>
> Art
Actually I am absolutely amazed that the world did not sink into a major
1930's style depression...both Bush and Obama's governments actions have
somehow stopped what appeared a year ago to be a slide right off a cliff.
I am also amazed that anyone thinks that a depression can be
avoided/stopped without some problems developing, however these are
pipsqueaks compared to the devastation that would have occurred had
these measures not been taken.
Be glad that even if the clowns in Washington/Ottawa/London/Berlin/...
did not do enough (if anything) to avoid the approaching disaster of
2007/8, they did at least launch a recovery that appears to be working...
Remember too that during the depression unemployment almost reached 25%
in 1933 - and that was almost 4 years from the collapse of wall street
in 1929.
This really isn't over yet, however things are not looking the same as
in 1930 either - auto makers and banks are paying back the loans.
It takes five to ten years to return to pre-recession levels in normal
times.
John :-#)#
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Rare Hero
> Calling president Bush a dildoe is just wrong!
LOL ..."potatoe", "dildoe" ....ah....Republicans.
"Is our children learning?"
-G.W. Bush
:)
Greg
brokenvette
Exactly what I have been trying to say but you wont get the commies
to agree with you.
Mike
one. Sent him a check, and one week later the game arrived. It
wasn't a SM, but a Street Fighter 2 with a bunch of cobwebs all over
it. I asked for a refund, and he sent me an IOU. Then, I received a
bill for 1 million dollars for government postage on the IOU.
Had a similar situation with some guy from Jersey named MacGreevie.
Was looking for a STTNG, he said he had one. Sent my payment, and a
week later I received a large palleted box. Opened the box, and
instead of a pinball, I found about 20 cinder blocks, a pair of
assless chaps, and a vibrating banana.
All politicians suck.
-Mike
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>
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Art
>
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you idiot - Truman was president when I was born :)
mrsbally
notice it is not on Obama's recovery.com website. Because, guess
what? He has an agenda too. The difference is, despite all his smoke
and mirrors about transparency, he doesn't seem inclined to keep track
of his promises. Better to delete prior to anybody noticing.
Luckily these people among others kept track.
Were you trying to say that this document is a forgery? That they
never said that?
Nice deflection job. Maybe you can get a job in the Whitehouse press
core.
RomulusX
Dude what the fuck Greg big deal smartass.
Hit the wrong freakin letter. Fucking smartass
liberal know it all.
mattyb
You didn't hit the wrong letter, you mispelled it. How much backbone
does it take to own up to a trivial mistake? And get a sense of humor.
Greg is a funny guy.
And since when did being intelligent become a character flaw?
MattyB.
gbi...@gmail.com
American. Is it anti-american? Sure is, but you can't dispute the
facts that are presented.
People in power can't be trusted and they're using our military as
pawns in their quest to fill their pockets. Scumbags, every last one
of them. No need to blame things on the puppet sitting behind the
desk at the oval office.
http://www.documentarywire.com/the-new-american-century
-Gregg B.
mrsbally
everything fixed by Nov. 8th. He did claim if he didn't do something,
unemployment could reach double digits. HE also said that HE would
make a website, Recover.gov to track this stuff. Both of HIS promises
appear to be unfulfilled. This is all in his January 8 speech on
economic stimulus package. You may want to listen to that instead of
making shit up.
Blame who you what for this. I could say it was Clinton and find some
BS economist website post that agrees with that, just like you did for
Bush. The FACT is Obama said (not me) that it was his economy now and
he needed to fix it. (For that, I give him credit.) The other FACTS
are that he missed the mark by a quite a bit on the unemployment rate
and he promised unprecedented transparency.
I hope his projections on heath care are better than the economy.
Sorry your hero sucks at his job.
pincorrect wrote:
> On Nov 8, 12:51 pm, mrsbally <mrsba...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > OF COURSE it is on the peoples web site that "have an agenda". I
> > notice it is not on Obama's recovery.com website. Because, guess
> > what? He has an agenda too. The difference is, despite all his smoke
> > and mirrors about transparency, he doesn't seem inclined to keep track
> > of his promises.
>
> Show me where Obama said he was going to solve everything by November
> 8, 2009. Show me where he promised to put up a web site listing
> everything he's said so you boneheads and criticize him for breathing
> in the wrong direction?
>
> I am sure many of Obama's supporters are going to watch carefully
> where he really does initiate a mandate for change, but I figure he
> has his hands full for the next several years trying to undo the
> quantum clusterfuck that George W. Bush and the Republicans created.
> The whole financial mess is the direct result of the GOP in the first
> place: http://bsalert.com/news/2416/What_Caused_The_Second_Depression_In-A-Nutshell.html
Ron R
>
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If you want to see where the jobs went walk into any major store in
America and pick up any shelf item , you can go to Sears , Kohls,
Macy, Wal Mart ,Home Depot , Lowes ETC. and I am not blaming them they
all sell based on where they can get a product , and you will find
Made In China on every item from screws to door knobs to clothing to
pipe fittings and electronics, the fact is our great country does not
make anything anymore it only sells from other lands, Thanks Ron
Rogalla
Beavis
GPE
"Rare Hero" <rareh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ah, political extremists...
Bush was more renowned for looking like a surprised champanzee whenever
being interviewed but it wasn't him that misspelled potato. It was **Al
Gore** the democrat that spelled "Potatoe".
Or is this more rewriting of history?
Oh, well... I guess it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.
My personal favorite political quote --
"I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't
inhale."
What a whopper! People were actually falling out of their chairs laughing at
this one. And gullible people actually believed this line?
LOL
:)
Rare Hero
> Ah, political extremists...
> Bush was more renowned for looking like a surprised champanzee whenever
> being interviewed but it wasn't him that misspelled potato. It was **Al
> Gore** the democrat that spelled "Potatoe".
> Or is this more rewriting of history?
Dude, who's rewriting history now!? It was Dan Quayle that spelled
"potatoe"! ...I was just using a Bush quote to show how things
haven't changed.
PROOF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwAGmDLW4M
You lose.
Greg
GPE
Damn! Does that make me an honorary democrat?
"Rare Hero" <rareh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Stephen
You should buy the...hold on a second, according to RGP/RGVAC rules, I
need to bully my awkward political views down your throat first...
Rare Hero
> Ah, yes... Old age and memories...
> Damn! Does that make me an honorary democrat?
Fuck if I know ....I'm not a democrat. *shrug*
Greg
pincorrect
> Ah, yes... Old age and memories...
> Damn! Does that make me an honorary democrat?
Who knows, but if you start talking about issues instead of calling
everything socialist or liberal, you might not be recognizable as a
republican. So be careful. You don't want to come off as one of
those scumbag intellectuals to your buddies if you start citing
references and stuff.
GPE
Yeah, sure...
But, you never inhaled either, right?
GPE
"pincorrect" <ico...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1766e461-b64a-4eee...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Who knows, but if you start talking about issues instead of calling
> everything socialist or liberal, you might not be recognizable as a
> republican. So be careful. You don't want to come off as one of
> those scumbag intellectuals to your buddies if you start citing
> references and stuff.
Actually, it is because of the relentless ranting and childiish name calling
that I changed my affiliation from democrat.
Rare Hero
> Yeah, sure...
> But, you never inhaled either, right?
Actually, I haven't. I've never done a drug in my life...I've never
smoked a cigarette in my life. I've never had more than a few sips of
alcohol, and I've never been drunk.
I get high on PINBALL, BITCHES! :)
Greg
CornCob
Little can be done when its at that level.
Ping
~eric
> 10.2% unemeployment, after how many hundreds of billions in stimulus?
In 1983 Reagan had been in office 3 years and the UE rate was around
the same. He also had a 750 Billion $ stimulus plan. Can we blame
Carter for that? These threads are retarded. :p
someotherguy
I don't like him either but I'm reasonably sure he doesn't read this forum, you
big windbag. Send it to the White House if you think your opinion matters.
Richard
Pinthetic
are just two members of the "Good ol boys club". Same song, different
lead singer.
The economy is in the crapper because of one thing and one thing only.
NAFTA. They warned us about this and we just sat back like sheep and
let the politicians sell out our jobs for thier own "future
considerations". These weasels are buying property in other countries
with thier "future considerations".
No manufacturing means no economy. You say, "If the economy is so bad
then why are the Malls filled with women shopping"? That's because
they are spending their free money that you and I pay for. Aid to
Dependent Children and Welfare. They don't own homes and many are on
Section 8 housing. At $550 per kid, and $200 a month rent you can
live pretty good with 5 kids. Especially here in California. The
silent lobby, K-Mart, WalMart, grocery chain stores, and any other
"consumables suppliers" are behind a lot of the problems we have. All
they care about is the cash flow. Get that government check into our
store!
Because of the surplus of workers employers are now only giving raises
to management. The trickle down is still spiraling. The Government
keeps releasing false propaganda about the recovery. Its fake. Money
basically is poured into road repair jobs and grants to companies that
are not adding jobs, just infrastructure. Here they used the money
for automation, not hiring. They will take the money and use it to
replace workers, not hire them.
What about the graduating high school kids every summer hitting the
job market? That will add to the unemployment figure as well. How
they going to hide that? The retirement and death rate is less than
the influx of bodies to the work force, especially without
manufacturing jobs.
Bottom line: No manufacturing means no jobs, means high unemployement,
means higher crime rate, means no recovery.
Real simple.
Mario
Pinthetic
On Nov 6, 7:23 pm, mrsbally <mrsba...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Here you go, Fred:http://www.ampo.org/assets/library/184_obama.pdf
>
> Page 5
>
> Now, please show where you got the following information?
>
> "Jobs are the last thing to improve. Companies won't hire until they
> can't meet demand. Republican lawmakers are grandstanding now
> because
> they know this is true, and it makes them look good. Hell companies
> won't hire until they can't meet demand even in a -good- economy. Do
> you think they're going to do that now?"
>
>
>
> FredMaine wrote:
> > > Obama and Biden did sayunemployment would not exceed 8% if
> > > they hurried and passed his stimulus bill.This is a fact Jack!
>
> > Quote your source.
>
> > > 10.2% unemeployment, after how many hundreds of billions in stimulus?
>
pinball-rise-of-the-machines
TRICKLE UP POVERTY.
Oh...and an Obama type shout out to Clinton for giving us NAFTA.
Thanks Bill!
yzfguy
>
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FredMaine
LOL. Such crap.
> pinball-rise-of-the-machines wrote:
> Oh...and an Obama type shout out to Clinton for giving us NAFTA.
> Thanks Bill!
When Was NAFTA Started? NAFTA was signed by U.S. President George
H.W. Bush, Mexican President Salinas, and Canadian Prime Minister
Brian Mulroney in 1992.
> pinball-rise-of-the-machines wrote:
> Reagan had Trickle Down Economics. But thanks to Obama, we now have
> TRICKLE UP POVERTY.
My reaction - WTF is that? But I don't even want the answer. So I'm
not asking.