Last Action Hero, Bad Girls, Mario Andretti, and SF2 pins thrown off roof! - TNT Amusements
tntquality
footage of us throwing Tempest, Afterburner, Omega Race, Toobin
(animator and all!), pinballs Bad Girls, Mario Andrretti, Street
Fighter 2, and Last Action Hero off our roof---remember ten years ago
I throw a Black Knight and a Ms Pacman off the roof...this time, its
in High Defination and Widescreen! And YES...I COULD have donated
them to any number of organizations---but I already donated 300
machines already! Eventually, 90 seconds of this will make it into
our new program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
ImpalaGuy
Well, I understand your point... but it's still hard to watch. :(
PapaJohn
Well, I'm sure glad my Bally Blackjack that I bought from you didn't
fly off the roof, I'm really enjoying the game. These older Bally
games are pure basic pinball fun. In many cases more challenging and
fun than many of the newer games. John
Ron Lyons
Finman
Ben Richards
barnhart_pinball
d55c2e...@m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
Damn...a Tempest. One more gone...agghhh.
--
"That deaf dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball"
captainsam
Stupid wasteful. No cool points at all for being a bunch of thug
headed destructive morons.
seymour.shabow
Blackjack is an awesome game. I like almost all of the bally chimers,
other than freedom.
Knowing Todd, these hulks he tossed off the roof really were too far
gone for anything other than parts, and he's offered free parts up in
the past for people, and that didn't work out too well.
-scott CARGPB#29
DB
I would have taken all of those for free. You are evil.
MrBally
And then possibly sold them (or parted them out) taking money away
from TNT. How fair would that have been? He bought them and then found
out they had no value or were beyond eCONomical repair. Even if you
would have repaired them (useful parts were removed in advance of the
roof tossing) and kept them, it would not benefit TNT. Again, no
benefit to him. Have you ever visited his place and made a purchase?
I'll bet he'd also add a basket case from the warehouse to a purchased
machine.
Flame suit on.
I disagree with your evil COmmeNt about Todd.
mike
Next time can you guys jump off with the games (hopefully head first!)
I guess you had a cow tipping evening to top off the weekend.
ku...@janitorconnection.com
That is fucking sick. I was hoping by the second pin that it would get
caught on his shorts and pull him down with it.
I don't give a shit how "un-economical" it was to repair these,
someone here would have gladly taken them to restore and keep alive.
Here is a clue - THEY DON'T MAKE THESE ANYMORE assholes.
Rob T
I don't get it. What is the appeal?
Glad to see 13 "dislikes" compared to only 2 "likes" for this video.
--
Rob T
This USENET post sent from http://rgparchive.com
gerry
This was fucking stupid !... Period.....! I really like to see the
LAH topper go bye bye...just another impossible part to find NOW gone
for someone who is searching the world over for it...Bad Girls i have
one....would have gladly taken a ton of stuff from it and would have
been glad to pay for the stuff (not for free) what a waste....did ya
notice the play fields were all populated ? I WONT be spending any
money there with them ever.......truly dedicated people in this hobby
wheather its your business or not..just dont do shit like
that.....these guys are obviously just there for the buck........ like
the guy's from barrett jackson would ever be playing demo derby with a
59 Corvette and a 68 GTO saying , Hey if you guys dont hurry up and
get to our auctions and buy em up we wil just keep trashing them till
they are gone, see you soon.......you guys @ TNT are
RETARDS.........looking forward to morons like you going out of
business ! ...............good luck on that ! wish you the worst.....
mike
What do you expect from from a bunch of hillbillies! It's like give
Jed Clampett an arcade business. I'll bring my Video Camera when guys
nose dive off the building.
John T.
So it doesn't really appeal to everybody....Fair enough.....
But,To start calling his employees:
"Thug headed destructive morons"
"Can you guys jump off with the games"
and wishing they
"would get caught on his shorts and pull him down with it"
Really?!?!?! I mean come on......
This is just stuff getting smashed....your wishing some one gets
hurt???!?!?
I'm A big fan of salvaging games and have brought many projects back
to life but
Knowing Todd, I 'm sure these were beyond repair games most likely
flood /water victims....
He would be the last person to destroy saleable inventory that he
could make money on.
-John T.
Rob T
John T.;1616493 Wrote:
> On Jan 29, 12:11*pm, Rob T <rob... (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:
> > I don't get it. *What is the appeal?
I think you may be trying to defend the indefensible (and I am not
defending *some* of the other comments in this thread).
mike
Are you kidding? Defending this stupidity? These tards deserve every
bit of negativity they will receive, I hope it destoys there business
like the games they destroyed.
gerry
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John T all of those games were salvagable....maybee not totaly cost
effective but even if only for the hard to find parts they had...ie,
bad girls and LAH, i own both of those titles, not to belittle the
other they pitched....some people cant afford A-listers..and would be
happy to put one of those back in to operation over time.....as they
could afford to do it.these games were all with populated
playfeilds....WTF.....as far as flooded goes, i just bought (last
night in fact) a STTNG that was a previous flood, water right up to
the bottom of the back box...the guy i bought it from spent a ton of
time and money on it, and i still bought it for a very fair
price ...and the game is very nice now, and plays new!......out side
of the back box being a little wanged up, which i will be redoing all
of that.. this game is nicer than some i have seen for more money
elsewhere.....and flood is the worst issue aside from fire....so there
is no excusing this at all , saying they were junk! anyway..a
completely assembled game junk i dont think so......i didnt see any of
TNT's games with char or glowing ember's burning as they were being
pitched off the roof........why stick up for douche bags......just
dont get it........i'm sure that these guys may have done something
nice for somebody here or there in the past before....and they
probably all take care of thier familys just fine......good citizens
maybee....but one thing this does demonstrate is that this hobby
ultimately means zero to them...just a way to make a buck.......if
they had a valued collection at their home and love things the way we
all here apparently do....they wouldnt be pitching this shit off the
roof.......they would wanna see this stuff go to the right
home.....nough said.....
choddaboy
why do they deserve any negativity....they own these pieces! Why is it
up to any of you to decide what they can or can't do with THEIR
property! So I guess anytime you growth away any good clothing or
waste any food or energy....you are scum bags for wasting objects that
could help any other people in need. These are just games. So like
said earlier.....they should give them to ny of you, so you can turn
around and try to screw someone else and make a profit?
gerry
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Gusss we will see peoples opinions when they decide to pitch a AFM or
a MM off the roof.........cant wait to see those posts....
gerry
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who said anything about resale here?......this is about common sense
and helping your fellow hobbiest's with parts, games, and
projects..the same stuff that you and i look for here every
day...thats why we are on this site in the first place !.....this is
about posting the needless destruction of stuff that people in this
group, and in this hobby have a love for and feel valuable to
themselves for thier enjoyment and lifestyle......we are people
posting daily WTB this, i need this to finish my project does anyone
have this let me know.......well there was a whole bunch of stuff
right there, gone....i see this as a blatant fuck you to all of the
pin community... these guys are supposed to be one of the ones we turn
to to keep this hobby alive and kick'n...call en up and ask them if
they have a used topper for a LAH to sell ya ..and when they say oh
sorry we dont.....then maybee you will get why this is so
stupid....thes guys are supposedly in business to keep it goin, make a
profit and help this community not make it harder to do what we do ,
by trashing the shit we need out there........not a good marketing
strategy....yeah it's their stuff they can do what they wish with it,
but if that is the way they are about what we all love here then they
will never get a penny of mine ! no way they deserve support from
us....cause they showed that they dont whole heartedly support us !
ldnayman
Do you really think they would do that?
The games they threw off the roof suck. Good riddance and all hail
Todd and TNT for having the balls to rid the world of those terrible
games.
Love the rgp meltdown that ensues every 5 years when Todd destroys
some of his garbage.
airace3065
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> > > > > I don't get it. What is the appeal?
>
> > > > > Glad to see 13 "dislikes" compared to only 2 "likes" for this video.
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> > > > > Rob T
> > > > > This USENET post sent fromhttp://rgparchive.com
Throwing useless junk in the trash is one thing, but making a video of
games being destroyed and then posting it to a group such as this is
quite another! These people simply want some attention whether it be
negative or positive; all the comments posted however emotional they
may sound are valid.
Pin_Nut
Well........... To sum it up, TNT paid for them and they can do whatever
they want with them.. Seems it would have been a better business
decision to sell off the parts and get whatever they could for them,
then again maybe he doesn't have the room or it's not worth the money to
pay the employees the time to cannibalize them and inventory the
parts........
Flame suit is on..............
--
Pin_Nut
PapaJohn
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Well, like I said before, I purchased a Blackjack from Todd. He was
very fair and upfront with me all during the purchase---I'm in So.
Cal. He seems decicated to this hobby and wouldn't have destroyed any
of those machines had they been salvageable. Maybe you guys should
look up the guys of the past that trashed the machines when they were
only 3 years old inorder to clear them off the market. John
William Brower
This is very sad, I think i'm getting sick.
But they are his games and he can do as he pleases.
It does make you wonder how many games get tossed in dumpsters
everyday.
And all the games sitting at curbside waiting for the trash men to
crush them up.
Then there is all the games that are rotting away in some wet and damp
basement somewhere.
These sad things will make parts harder to find, but will increase the
value of the games that are saved.
Bill
ldnayman
You could destroy half the last action hero and Mario Andretti games
still around, and it would do nothing to the price
Very little demand for these boat anchors.
gerry
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I'm sure he has done good or possibly even great things in the past, i
have already stated the here....but it takes no brains to realize that
this was not the right thing to do for this market or this hobby, if
pinballing or gaming matters at all to you...they demonstrated the
importance of this to them in that vid.....if they dont have room or
cant afford to pay thier employee's to part the machines for the
benefit of the community then they should wholesale them (for a
profit) to other retailers or individuals for parts or projects that
could put them to use instead of letting them hit the dumpster..these
were obvioulsy trades or unwanted machines they got in packages...and
they obviously had nothing in them......he stated he donated 300
machines already and that was his excuse for not donating these and
trashing them instead...i dont know about you but tax deductions are
better than dumpster deductions !....if everyone did what they did
machines would become un affordable to all cause there would be none
left....and this hobby would go right in the shitter.....so .what is
so hard to understand..........would you pitch your project or wealth
of great parts in the dumpster or would you try to sell them or let
them go to good use to keep machines running and available for newbies
or vet's to keep this hobby and this community flurishing for a few
more years to come.... and as for the guys that trashed the machines
to clear the market they suck as well ... these guys seem to not be
very different from those guys...if ya think about it
tntquality
switches, etc....we are STILL getting great parts off the
playfields...I have taken parts pinball machines to Allentown for
several years and have gone home with almost all I brought....no ne
wants them! But Now, because I am junking them this way, everyone
wants them! Well, come Alentown, all who are so upset will have to
buy the stuff I bring...because whatever I donot sell at the Allentown
Show, WILL go off the roof the following week! Bring your $$$!! See
you in Allentown!
Jonny O
roof, judging by the replies.
I think he could have got much better splatter if he pushed them over
on their sides or maybe at an odd angle so they hit on a corner.
Josh A.
> whatever I donot sell at the Allentown Show,
> WILL go off the roof the following week!
Marketing 101: http://s1.hubimg.com/u/3251316_f520.jpg
PT
was a few stories higher and you had a bunch more 90's Gottlieb/
Premier games to dump off.
John
Ron Lyons
everybody's so upset about it. Give me a monetary number of what he
just threw off the roof.
... and after you do that, decide if you want somebody to tell you
what to do with your $500, $1000, $2000, whatever it was. After you
figure that out, another thing to think about would be, how much would
a publicity stunt cost? How much does it cost to shoot an
infomercial?
This is a business, folks. These games were made for businesses...
sure we all love them, but what it comes down to is, Todd's a business
man. Do you honestly think he would destroy a mint game? The purpose
of the joke is to show that he doesn't sell junk, he destroys it. If
there were salvageable stuff Todd could make money off of, believe me,
Todd would make money off of them. Todd and money go well together.
They've been together a long time, and know each other very well, lol.
Ron
gerry
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As to the boat anchor comment....what was your first pin? MM i think
not .........like most of us it might have been a C title....did you
enjoy it...wastnt it cool to come home relax and play it?....all pins
are fun to somebody......B's and C's are what most people start with,
and some even keep their first pin for ever....but if ya did sell it,
is someone else enjoying it....( answer= yep)..and thats what gaming
is all about...is it not? ..and looky here we have a new member to
the community......putting the value issue aside of, pins regularly
being destroyed, means no body could afford the ones left......cause
agreed...that would take some time.......the fact is TNT's roof top
pin party did not do ONE POSITIVE THING for the hobby.....OR FOR
ANYONE HERE ON RGP
PT
> pin party did not do ONE POSITIVE THING for the hobby.....OR FOR
> ANYONE HERE ON RGP
Actually, I think it is great. I enjoyed the video very much.
Considering the choice of games and the obvious blown-out condition, I
think he did us all a favor.
John
Pinballradio
> Here is footage I shot 2 1/2 years ago...never used it yet... its raw
> footage of us throwing Tempest, Afterburner, Omega Race, Toobin
> (animator and all!), pinballs Bad Girls, Mario Andrretti, Street
> Fighter 2, and Last Action Hero off our roof---remember ten years ago
> I throw a Black Knight and a Ms Pacman off the roof...this time, its
> in High Defination and Widescreen! And YES...I COULD have donated
> them to any number of organizations---but I already donated 300
> machines already! Eventually, 90 seconds of this will make it into
> our new program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
AWESOME!
Are you taking requests for Season 3!!!???
gerry
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Ron point taken ....YOUR RIGHT.....he is all about money that seem to
be pretty obviuos here, AND I THINK THATS ALL HE IS ABOUT....he must
be rich enough to throw it in the dumpster by the hand full now that
he has taken so much of ours for so many of the useless parts we all
try to hunt every day.......he's not about the community or the hobby
apparently...rock on roof top boy...what ever...........if he cant get
the full retail out of our pockets...then F the community and just
waste what alot of us are looking for, just for some kicks...NOT ONE
GUY IN ALL OF THE GUYS I KNOW IN THIS HOBBY WOULD EVER EVEN THINK
ABOUT THAT KINDA SHIT..... hope you guys enjoy your next roof top pin
party after allentown this spring...but i guess if you bring the same
CRAPPY shit you brought for sale at pin fest last fall pitching off
the roof really wouldnt matter..........i've done alot of weird shit
in my day for kicks and still do....but i'm here to tell ya i just
dont get why anyone would think that this was cool.........I own a
trucking comp....and real bus. men dont think like this, when these
are the things you are trying to market..duh..just blows my
mind.......they must have enough of our money and realy dont need any
more...thats all i can figure.......great publicity stunt by the way
as the other guy posted....( cheaper than an infomercial).....TNT has
gotten SOOOOOOOOOO many positive responses to
this...NOT !... take a count good to bad and dont even
consider mine in there and you be the judge of how beneficial it
was .........happy pitching......lmao ....shaking my head in
disgust ! bye bye all gotta go to rochester to pick up my
next boat anchor game...lol
Jonny O
+M videos. "You didn't sell. They don't want you. It's because
you're naughty!"
Rob T
All these comments about how these are his games and he can do whatever
he wants with them completely misses the point. Nobody is disputing
that fact.
That doesn't mean that we can't comment on the stupidity of doing what
he did (even if he was "entitled" to do it).
Dan Q very much
Eh, think of it in Demolition Derby terms, these were junkers to him,
at least we got some low brow entertainment out of it. He must fancy
himself the David Letterman of amusement games.
No worse than what Chuck E. Cheese does to every single pin (etc.)
they pull off the game floor. Don't their employees have to take
pictures (or video even) to prove to corporate that they followed
through? Maybe Wikileaks can get a hold of that!
choddaboy
Its called labor cost....if the games are POS and nobody wants
them...who cars....lets go and do a search for the hundreds of is LAH
or Marios the worst game ever and see hundreds of responses like"i
wouldn't take it if it was free"....now people are having some fun
with something that isn't work anything to them....and you go nuts.
Just like the thread about Popeye right now being the worst. No one
would take one....but all of a sudden someone destroys pone or has one
for free and everyone wants it. Not everyone one or business is the
world is a hoarder.....
Fernando
Rompen
The feeling I get from this video isn't that, "these games aren't up
to the TNT standard".
It's more like "This is how much we care about the crap we sell you
people."
calvin12
and if you put a negative comment about the vid on youtube he'll reply
then block you, pussy.
Tom G
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I dare them to toss a Medieval Madness or Big Bang Bar off the roof.
Come on do it. Do it. Ummhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (Evil Laugh). Come on.
You haven't got the sack to do it.
mike
You're like a child who has gotten everything handed to him, and if
you don't want it, nobody should have it. Why not put them in front of
your pathetic business with a free sign on them. It's your right to do
what you want with games, but your a loser to post destroying pins on
collectors site. Hopefully everyone sees how your business operates,
and from reading the threads, I think we all do.
ovfdfireman
> Here is footage I shot 2 1/2 years ago...never used it yet... its raw
> footage of us throwing Tempest, Afterburner, Omega Race, Toobin
> (animator and all!), pinballs Bad Girls, Mario Andrretti, Street
> Fighter 2, and Last Action Hero off our roof---remember ten years ago
> I throw a Black Knight and a Ms Pacman off the roof...this time, its
> in High Defination and Widescreen! And YES...I COULD have donated
> them to any number of organizations---but I already donated 300
> machines already! Eventually, 90 seconds of this will make it into
> our new program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
I could tell some of these had already been worked over for parts and
were beyond worthless. I had a machine that was in a flood and ended
up parting it out and was ridiculed. But it was so full of mold and
worthless, and the title was SFII. Just not any value. I was not
willing to invest the money to fix it, because I just went and bought
a fully working one for $500 instead. i took all the parts i wanted
and sold the rest. Hopefully I rescued another pin in the process.
Sooooo, maybe yours were junk, but might have been able to rescue some
pins instead. I suppose there is a point where this becomes a job. I
am against the destruction of these machines, especially publicly in
an effort to glorify. I think a video like this will do nothing but
hurt business. I do not know everything, but I think I know our
market, and after being a marketer since 1999, I feel confident it
will not benefit the business.
steve keeler
seems like a waste of time to me !!
Jon
> PapaJohn wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 7:58 pm, tntquality <tntqual...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Here is footage I shot 2 1/2 years ago...never used it yet... its raw
> >> footage of us throwing Tempest, Afterburner, Omega Race, Toobin
> >> (animator and all!), pinballs Bad Girls, Mario Andrretti, Street
> >> Fighter 2, and Last Action Hero off our roof---remember ten years ago
> >> I throw a Black Knight and a Ms Pacman off the roof...this time, its
> >> in High Defination and Widescreen! And YES...I COULD have donated
> >> them to any number of organizations---but I already donated 300
> >> machines already! Eventually, 90 seconds of this will make it into
> >> our new program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
>
> > fly off the roof, I'm really enjoying the game. These older Bally
> > games are pure basic pinball fun. In many cases more challenging and
> > fun than many of the newer games. John
>
> Blackjack is an awesome game. I like almost all of the bally chimers,
> other than freedom.
>
> Knowing Todd, these hulks he tossed off the roof really were too far
> gone for anything other than parts, and he's offered free parts up in
> the past for people, and that didn't work out too well.
>
> -scott CARGPB#29
Bingo. I bought the playfield from the LAH he tossed off of the
roof. It was in great shape for what it had been though, though it
was strictly a parts PF. Jon
Nicholas Roedl
throw stuff off the roof? As long as it's junk, I dont care. This
reminds me of when I was more into arcades and it seemed like at least
a few times a year someone would have pics or a video of them burning
a pole position.
gerry
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Jon....iv'e been idle here for a bit on this subject....and a bit more
relaxed now....but that PF..woulda been alot better no doubt, if it
didnt take a header...even if it wasnt great 2 begin with......but i
am glad 3 see that someone got somthin out of it.....
gerry
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but on second hand...still goes to show, you had to buy it....HOW
IRONIC..( THOUGHT THAT SHIT WAS JUNK AND WORTHLESS)..like i posted
before, a stupid act that still displays that this company after all
their posts about we dont care we will trash all the no-sale stuff
after Allentown too when we get home!... (HOW YA LIKE THAT?)....that
they still had the gaul to charge you for that part, (even though
apparently you didnt mind paying for it)...shows its not really a
dedication to the preservation of the hobby or the hobbiest's here,
just a way to take a buck from us.......That says to me all i need to
know right there ! Gd-night boy's
Les Manley
> Here is footage I shot 2 1/2 years ago...never used it yet... its raw
> footage of us throwing Tempest, Afterburner, Omega Race, Toobin
> (animator and all!), pinballs Bad Girls, Mario Andrretti, Street
> Fighter 2, and Last Action Hero off our roof---remember ten years ago
> I throw a Black Knight and a Ms Pacman off the roof...this time, its
> in High Defination and Widescreen! And YES...I COULD have donated
> them to any number of organizations---but I already donated 300
> machines already! Eventually, 90 seconds of this will make it into
> our new program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
What a pointless waste of time. Then to come and post in RGP and the
Klov forums to brag about it and stir up shit is just beyond stupid.
Look at me, I'm so cool, I could have given them away, but I would
rather just destroy them. I wasn't a TNT customer before and
certainly won't be after this chilish garbage. Way to go, bravo, well
done...
Ron Lyons
come buy from me before I push it off the roof of my house.
The playfield was last cleaned with an orbital sander, 5 of the
plastics are missing and the others are cracked. The bottom of the
playfield has had everything removed and then I lost the bag I placed
them all in... the cabinet has termite damage, major gouges
everywhere, cat piss all over it from where the last owner let his pet
sleep in it, the translite is pretty nice, just 4 or 5 cracks and the
entire back of it is brown from where the light bulb scorched it, all
the boards are gone, the transformer is missing because it caught on
fire and burnt up the wiring harness which is still there, stuck to
the playfield via melted plastic, the glass is so scratched up it's
opaque, the legs are rusted onto the cabinet, 4 of the 8 leg bolts are
stripped so you can't replace the legs without a cutting wheel, the
coin door has all of the innards missing from the back of it, the
lockdown bar has "Drugs are Cool" scratched into it, and for whatever
reason there's a lot of what looks like blood pooled in the coin
bucket.
I'll take $100. Who wants it?
erickit
Location?
Eric
ldnayman
Dude. Give it a FUCKING REST ON THE CAPS LOCK ALREADY.
You don't own a fucking store. If you did, you'd get to decide what
shit gets thrown OFF A ROOF. You don't.
So STOP WHINING LIKE A FUCKING BITCH.
Thanks and GOOD NIGHT.
Rompen
email sent
seymour.shabow
>
> I could tell some of these had already been worked over for parts and
> were beyond worthless. I had a machine that was in a flood and ended
> up parting it out and was ridiculed. But it was so full of mold and
> worthless, and the title was SFII. Just not any value. I was not
> willing to invest the money to fix it, because I just went and bought
> a fully working one for $500 instead. i took all the parts i wanted
> and sold the rest. Hopefully I rescued another pin in the process.
>
> Sooooo, maybe yours were junk, but might have been able to rescue some
> pins instead. I suppose there is a point where this becomes a job. I
> am against the destruction of these machines, especially publicly in
> an effort to glorify. I think a video like this will do nothing but
> hurt business. I do not know everything, but I think I know our
> market, and after being a marketer since 1999, I feel confident it
> will not benefit the business.
Todd's retail market isn't RGP. Most people here aren't buying games
from him at retail, and when he does sell games cheaper as projects he
generally gets a rash of shit from the nitpickers who call him up and
complain that bulbs aren't working, or there's a plastic cracked.
Him tossing stuff off the roof is an advertising 'stunt' with some
collateral damage. The people that see the infomercial it'll be in or
the youtube video will only remember "who was the guy that tossed stuff
off the roof?" and search for it, and find his company. Good for name
recognition, and recollection months later. Probably worth more than
the value of the machines tossed if just one person comes in and buys a
couple games.
-scott CARGPB#29
Abby Normal
have gotten!
But Bad Girls really did suck.
Atomicboy
by someone else but, do you buy kittens, go to cat sites, and post
video's of them dropping of buildings too?
This is absurd. It goes against everything that a lot of enthusiasts
stand for, preservation. Whether this was publicity, for fun it was
posted knowing full well it would piss the enthusiast community off.
As for the excuse of these being unsalvageable, well, that is a
stretch, as someone could have done *something* with them. I don’t
care what condition they were in, you can’t tell me that they wouldn’t
have sold for $100 or $50 to someone.
It would be one thing if your video first showed the insides of the
machines first, showing things that would have those viewing
understand that the cab/PF and whatever else were indisputably beyond
salvageable, ie severe mold, a sledge hammer still present in the PF,
but by presenting this in the manner it has been, to a community that
thrives on basically bringing these things back from the dead an
keeping them that way... I don’t even know what to say.
I currently in have 5 machines that were all set to be parts only
machines and/or trashed. 4 of them are now working, and the 5th will
be soon. If I can take a machine that is dead, and ready to be tossed
out and bring in back to some form of playability, and enjoy it or
sell this to someone that will enjoy it – well, I guess that is the
difference between a pinball enthusiast and a business that could care
less about the hobby. What you have done is basically slapped
everyone here in the face that feels that way.
And as for the comments on “they bought them, they can do whatever
they want with them”, I’m just wondering if those comments held true
for when tyrant Wayne held the Williams rights, did you defend his
actions the same way?
Next time, make sure you guys get nice a drunk before hand, you know,
to enhance the fun. I’ll even fund the pre-drink.
calvin12
Jon
I think most people here who know Todd are not too upset here. Like I
said I have bought games and parts off of him in the past. Trust me
they are parts machines. Worth very little. If there is anything on
there that has any significant value he will pull it off and save it
for the machines that he sells. Games get parted out all of the
time. You remove the best parts and then just break up the cabinet
then move on. I don't like it myself, and I do try to save games.
But really. Time and effort are wasted and if Todd were to post on
here for a "free bad girls cabinet". Someone would call it a POS and
tell him to trash it. I bet even if it were free someone would ask
him pay them to take it. The last time Todd did something for the
hobby he got ripped off. He was giving away free heads, and posted it
here for all to come and get them. Read about it here
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/f1b06ec905d78fe7/e2ddbcd085cc59c0?lnk=gst&q=free+heads#e2ddbcd085cc59c0
Even when the heads were free they still sat, I picked up a few before
they got trashed because of the idiots. Where were all of the people
knocking down the door back then for the free heads. Or maybe it is
because they were just trash that should have been pitched off of the
roof anyway. Would you list a head for sale so it sells for $2.64 on
ebay when the listing cost you $.65 and every idiot out there is
asking for more pics and you spend about an hour of your time
answering emails for information that is already in the add and then
when they win it they want to pay by paypal who gets about another $1
for the transfer fees and lastly ask you to store it for about 5
months until the next Allentown show which they expect you to pack it
up in your truck and deliver it at the flea market space you already
paid for and then they don't show and now you are going to at this
point relist it or just trash it out of frustration. It is a loss no
matter which way you look at it. Put your time and efforts into
saving something that it worth saving and we will all be better off.
I am sure that is what Todd does. Jon
IMMark
> Here is footage I shot 2 1/2 years ago...never used it yet... its raw
> footage of us throwing Tempest, Afterburner, Omega Race, Toobin
> (animator and all!), pinballs Bad Girls, Mario Andrretti, Street
> Fighter 2, and Last Action Hero off our roof---remember ten years ago
> I throw a Black Knight and a Ms Pacman off the roof...this time, its
> in High Defination and Widescreen! And YES...I COULD have donated
> them to any number of organizations---but I already donated 300
> machines already! Eventually, 90 seconds of this will make it into
> our new program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
I did not see this post until today.
I did not watch the video past the 1st game going off the roof.
I did not read all of the comments.
I will not do any business with TNT ever!
Mark
seymour.shabow
> I'm stealing this from another forums comments about the same act done
> by someone else but, do you buy kittens, go to cat sites, and post
> video's of them dropping of buildings too?
>
> This is absurd.
Your analogy is absurd.
At least you didn't use the "cargument" - I guess that's a "catument".
Yeah, destroying some junk pinball machines is JUST like killing kittens.
> It goes against everything that a lot of enthusiasts
> stand for, preservation. Whether this was publicity, for fun it was
> posted knowing full well it would piss the enthusiast community off.
>
You're confusing the term "enthusiast" with the term "obsessive". In
your world, taking 2 or mediocre machines of the same title and making
one really stunning one out of it is forbidden. Yet, this goes on all
the time. Where do you think all the used parts come from to get other
games going?
> As for the excuse of these being unsalvageable, well, that is a
> stretch, as someone could have done *something* with them. I don�t
> care what condition they were in, you can�t tell me that they wouldn�t
> have sold for $100 or $50 to someone.
>
Shockingly (or not) it might be cheaper for Todd to destroy them. If
you've seen his warehouses you'd understand. When the fire marshal
comes in and says "you're going to get fined $500 per day each day this
stuff is in this aisle" - do you think he's going to spend the $500/day
waiting for someone to buy a machine for $50 or even giving it away for
free? No offense intended to anyone, but most people do NOT understand
how large amusement businesses run - often they buy out operators and
they have to take EVERYTHING, even the shit, to get the stuff they
really wanted.
> It would be one thing if your video first showed the insides of the
> machines first, showing things that would have those viewing
> understand that the cab/PF and whatever else were indisputably beyond
> salvageable, ie severe mold, a sledge hammer still present in the PF,
> but by presenting this in the manner it has been, to a community that
> thrives on basically bringing these things back from the dead an
> keeping them that way... I don�t even know what to say.
>
You don't know what to say but you typed 5+ paragraphs about it? Now
you not only want Todd to not destroy garbage machines, but you want him
to prove they were garbage first? FWIW this 'community' is splintered
in how far they go to 'save' items. You clearly go farther than others.
I respect that. There are lots of people that do not, there is such a
thing as too far gone. Everyone's idea of where that is is different.
> I currently in have 5 machines that were all set to be parts only
> machines and/or trashed. 4 of them are now working, and the 5th will
> be soon. If I can take a machine that is dead, and ready to be tossed
> out and bring in back to some form of playability, and enjoy it or
> sell this to someone that will enjoy it � well, I guess that is the
> difference between a pinball enthusiast and a business that could care
> less about the hobby. What you have done is basically slapped
> everyone here in the face that feels that way.
>
Now think of all the used parts you had to find to fix those 5 machines
up. Where did they come from?
If you did it for a living and expected to make a living doing it, you
would think a lot differently about it. Todd has never been a member of
the "hobby" - he's always been a member of the coin-op "industry" - an
industry that destroyed thousands of pieces of coin-op history because
they were just industrial garbage to them.
Now, if you think it's a shame that this happens, yes, it is a shame. I
agree. Everyone has a threshold as to what becomes trash and what
doesn't. Your bar is lower than TNT's. There will be games that even
you won't save, you just haven't found them yet. But since people are
so fond of the free market here, it a right of property ownership that
people can do what they want with their property. I have a pretty large
problem with ANYONE who tells me what I can do with my property.
-scott CARGPB#29
ldnayman
> Atomicboy wrote:
> > I'm stealing this from another forums comments about the same act done
> > by someone else but, do you buy kittens, go to cat sites, and post
> > video's of them dropping of buildings too?
>
> > This is absurd.
>
> Your analogy is absurd.
>
> At least you didn't use the "cargument" - I guess that's a "catument".
> Yeah, destroying some junk pinball machines is JUST like killing kittens.
:-) thanks for making my morning.
gerry
Atomicboy thanks for the comments........apparently Idnayman is a
game trasher...........Idnay whatch the cap's lock BITCH ! & for
all 4 of the understanding folk's and simpathizers with todd, move on
to another hobby....your not helping anything here....the other 58 of
us are disscusted with you !
ldnayman
.the other 58 of
> us are disscusted with you !
Disscusted?
Holy shit there are some stupid people on the internet.
pinnut
you missed simpathizers. more stupid than you even thought.
for whats its worth, i can pretty much guarantee we all have thrown
out pinball stuff that may have use to somebody, but the hassle of
finding that " somebody" is just not worth it. i know when i decide
its time to get rid of something, it means it needs to be gone.
still, i wouldnt video it and put it up on the internet, thats just
silly.
Ron Lyons
thing as beating up homeless people.
gerry
Shows just what a retard YOU are ! if you could read, you would see
it says "as for the other 58 of US we are disgusted with you".....
(sorry about the mispell, but at least i can read douche bag ! ) why
dont you get all 4 of your freinds together and we will fight it
out...your out numbered here and losing the battle its time ya shut
up..
mike
> Even when the heads were free they still sat, I picked up a few before
> they got trashed because of the idiots. Where were all of the people
> knocking down the door back then for the free heads. Or maybe it is
> because they were just trash that should have been pitched off of the
> roof anyway. Would you list a head for sale so it sells for $2.64 on
> ebay when the listing cost you $.65 and every idiot out there is
> asking for more pics and you spend about an hour of your time
> answering emails for information that is already in the add and then
> when they win it they want to pay by paypal who gets about another $1
> for the transfer fees and lastly ask you to store it for about 5
> months until the next Allentown show which they expect you to pack it
> up in your truck and deliver it at the flea market space you already
> paid for and then they don't show and now you are going to at this
> point relist it or just trash it out of frustration. It is a loss no
> matter which way you look at it. Put your time and efforts into
> saving something that it worth saving and we will all be better off.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Jon,
How's the view with your face buried in Todds ass.
gerry
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL...LMAO
Atomicboy
>
> Your analogy is absurd.
>
> At least you didn't use the "cargument" - I guess that's a "catument".
> Yeah, destroying some junk pinball machines is JUST like killing kittens.
I was obviously kidding by this and do not equate it to be the same.
Would be absurd to think otherwise (though I was serious about funding
their pre-drink before standing close to the next drop zone).
>
> You're confusing the term "enthusiast" with the term "obsessive". In
> your world, taking 2 or mediocre machines of the same title and making
> one really stunning one out of it is forbidden. Yet, this goes on all
> the time. Where do you think all the used parts come from to get other
> games going?
Someone taking a machine that is not working and making a working one
with parts from someone else's parted machines is still better for the
hobby then subtracting another machine and adding more parts (not that
that was even done here). You can see the populated PF's in some of
the machines there. I'll admit I could not see the in fine detail, but
they certainly looked like they could have been salvaged. I have two
High Speeds I'm redoing now, and you're right one will be a good one
with swapped parts from the other, but the other will be complete, and
fully working after (which it was not before), and sold and played by
someone looking for something in the price range. This doesn't have
to mean make one good machine, and throw the other off a roof. So
yeah, that defines obsessive over an enthusiast?
>
> Shockingly (or not) it might be cheaper for Todd to destroy them. If
> you've seen his warehouses you'd understand. When the fire marshal
> comes in and says "you're going to get fined $500 per day each day this
> stuff is in this aisle" - do you think he's going to spend the $500/day
> waiting for someone to buy a machine for $50 or even giving it away for
> free? No offense intended to anyone, but most people do NOT understand
> how large amusement businesses run - often they buy out operators and
> they have to take EVERYTHING, even the shit, to get the stuff they
> really wanted.
Bullshit. If those games, in whatever state they were, were posted on
here for $50 a game, they would have been bought, and likely be
working as we speak, or at the very least parted out. i don't want to
hear about people grabbing whatever was left from these, as clearly
the parting out of these after would be nothing like parting it out
before.
>
> You don't know what to say but you typed 5+ paragraphs about it? Now
> you not only want Todd to not destroy garbage machines, but you want him
> to prove they were garbage first? FWIW this 'community' is splintered
> in how far they go to 'save' items. You clearly go farther than others.
> I respect that. There are lots of people that do not, there is such a
> thing as too far gone. Everyone's idea of where that is is different.
You're right, I'm still speachless. This was posted to a pinball
enthusiast forum knowing full well people would be offended by this.
*IF* they were truly garbage, and this was done in a manner that
wouldn't offend people for this forum's entertainment, and this was
shown clearly to illustrate that this is not meant to be a screw you
to those that collect and save these things, that is one thing. But
it wasn't.
You're right about threshold. I'm not saying they should have tried
their "darndest" to save these, but to post destruction of games that
look pretty freakin salvagable to me in the videos, over, in the
spirit of this hobby, selling them "as is" to someone else willing to
give them a shot is the issue. Again, all those pins at $50-$100 in
the condition they were in anywhere near where I live would last about
10 minutes, AND they would have made a small bit of money.
>
>
> Now think of all the used parts you had to find to fix those 5 machines
> up. Where did they come from?
You make it sound like these were parted out. They were demolished.
If they posted a video of them parting these out, I hardly think we
would be having this discussion.
>
> If you did it for a living and expected to make a living doing it, you
> would think a lot differently about it. Todd has never been a member of
> the "hobby" - he's always been a member of the coin-op "industry" - an
> industry that destroyed thousands of pieces of coin-op history because
> they were just industrial garbage to them.
Fine, you buy it, do what you like, set it on fire, throw it off a
building, but placing the video of you doing something like this to a
forum of enthusiasts doing the opposite, is an insult, plain and
simple. That was the intent - reaction.
>
> Now, if you think it's a shame that this happens, yes, it is a shame. I
> agree. Everyone has a threshold as to what becomes trash and what
> doesn't. Your bar is lower than TNT's. There will be games that even
> you won't save, you just haven't found them yet. But since people are
> so fond of the free market here, it a right of property ownership that
> people can do what they want with their property. I have a pretty large
> problem with ANYONE who tells me what I can do with my property.
Again, I would agree, but making a video, and putting it here, you
don't agree that is an insult to the rest of us? My threshold for
what I will take on and what you or anyone else is obviously
different, but surely you would agree that the majority of us would at
least try to move this on to someone that would want it, wouldn't
you? I've done this.
This guy might be a great guy, and have done great things for people
in the past, but this was meant to get the reaction it has, and with
full knowledge that it would upset people. i don't respect that.
Aaron
>
> -scott CARGPB#29
lottery winner
>
> - Show quoted text -
Its his stuff let him do what he wants with it..Sheesh..Why would
someone get pissed off over this begin on video, maybe he entered it
in america funniest video contest and won the $1,000.000 prize , then
who would be eating crow toinght..Point blank these machines were
gutted and nothing more than firewood to begin with if you ppl feel
like salaveing the world start by looking in your neighboor's trash
dumpster more power to you
Mike
gerry
have to admit, he got me there......i'll give him that. !
gerry
But ! i can read, apparently a bit better than him...
Mike
wanted a shitty pinball with a bunch of bull dykes shooting pool on
the backglass in my man cave. If Todd hadn't thrown that thing off
the roof, he would have been buried in it.
It would have been better if they attached that stupid fucking crane
to a fishing rod and tried to pick up the carcass after the toss. Or,
how about a simulated car crush from Street Fighter 2? Kick, kick,
kick... you win. Yay for life.
Get over it people. I think the videos are funny. Oh, and Todd gives
stuff away for free all the time because he has so much of it that he
gets harrased by the local fire marshall, so stop with the "he's not
sharing his toys" 4 year old bullshit. If you're so pissed about it,
rent your own damn warehouse, rent a truck, pick up Sally Struthers on
the way to Philly, and save the pinballs.
I tried to give away three video game cabinet numerous times online a
few months ago. Guess where they are now... sitting outside my shop
with a foot of snow on top of them. Anyone still want them before I
throw them off my roof? They're probably only a couple inches wider
from the water damage...
-Mike
ku...@janitorconnection.com
> On Jan 29, 1:59 pm, gerry <hotkloc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 1:54 pm, gerry <hotkloc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 1:23 pm, mike <wizb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 29, 10:03 am, "John T." <jbt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 29, 12:11 pm, Rob T <rob...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I don't get it. What is the appeal?
>
> > > > > > Glad to see 13 "dislikes" compared to only 2 "likes" for this video.
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rob T
> > > > > > This USENET post sent fromhttp://rgparchive.com
>
> > > > > So it doesn't really appeal to everybody....Fair enough.....
>
> > > > > But,To start calling his employees:
> > > > > "Thug headed destructive morons"
> > > > > "Can you guys jump off with the games"
> > > > > and wishing they
> > > > > "would get caught on his shorts and pull him down with it"
>
> > > > > Really?!?!?! I mean come on......
>
> > > > > This is just stuff getting smashed....your wishing some one gets
> > > > > hurt???!?!?
>
> > > > > I'm A big fan of salvaging games and have brought many projects back
> > > > > to life but
> > > > > Knowing Todd, I 'm sure these were beyond repair games most likely
> > > > > flood /water victims....
>
> > > > > He would be the last person to destroy saleable inventory that he
> > > > > could make money on.
>
> > > > > -John T.
>
> > > > Are you kidding? Defending this stupidity? These tards deserve every
> > > > bit of negativity they will receive, I hope it destoys there business
> > > > like the games they destroyed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > effective but even if only for the hard to find parts they had...ie,
> > > bad girls and LAH, i own both of those titles, not to belittle the
> > > other they pitched....some people cant afford A-listers..and would be
> > > happy to put one of those back in to operation over time.....as they
> > > could afford to do it.these games were all with populated
> > > playfeilds....WTF.....as far as flooded goes, i just bought (last
> > > night in fact) a STTNG that was a previous flood, water right up to
> > > the bottom of the back box...the guy i bought it from spent a ton of
> > > time and money on it, and i still bought it for a very fair
> > > price ...and the game is very nice now, and plays new!......out side
> > > of the back box being a little wanged up, which i will be redoing all
> > > of that.. this game is nicer than some i have seen for more money
> > > elsewhere.....and flood is the worst issue aside from fire....so there
> > > is no excusing this at all , saying they were junk! anyway..a
> > > completely assembled game junk i dont think so......i didnt see any of
> > > TNT's games with char or glowing ember's burning as they were being
> > > pitched off the roof........why stick up for douche bags......just
> > > dont get it........i'm sure that these guys may have done something
> > > nice for somebody here or there in the past before....and they
> > > probably all take care of thier familys just fine......good citizens
> > > maybee....but one thing this does demonstrate is that this hobby
> > > ultimately means zero to them...just a way to make a buck.......if
> > > they had a valued collection at their home and love things the way we
> > > all here apparently do....they wouldnt be pitching this shit off the
> > > roof.......they would wanna see this stuff go to the right
> > > home.....nough said.....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > a MM off the roof.........cant wait to see those posts....
>
> Do you really think they would do that?
>
> The games they threw off the roof suck. Good riddance and all hail
> Todd and TNT for having the balls to rid the world of those terrible
> games.
>
> Love the rgp meltdown that ensues every 5 years when Todd destroys
> some of his garbage.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Whoever this Todd guy is obviously doesn't care about the collectors
here on this community and around the world.
Clearly, he is in this hobby strictly for the money. A loser like this
will not see one penny of my money nor will he from anyone here that
appreciates pinball. If you purchase products from this "TNT" place,
you know where your money is going and to a person that will destroy
more pins in the future; especially if this happens every 5 years or
so as Idnayman says. Boycott this company and their stupid antics.
Period.
ldnayman
I will pay Todd $40 to throw a mostly-complete game off the roof
tomorrow, or any day over the next 2 weeks. I will paypal Todd the
money in advance. The destruction of the game must be filmed, and it's
carcass must land somewhere near the day's newspaper as proof of it's
recent destruction.
Let me know Todd!
Dan Q very much
<k...@janitorconnection.com> wrote:
> Whoever this Todd guy is obviously doesn't care about the collectors
> here on this community and around the world.
> Clearly, he is in this hobby strictly for the money. A loser like this
> will not see one penny of my money nor will he from anyone here that
> appreciates pinball. If you purchase products from this "TNT" place,
> you know where your money is going and to a person that will destroy
> more pins in the future; especially if this happens every 5 years or
> so as Idnayman says. Boycott this company and their stupid antics.
> Period.
No knowledgeable collector would buy from TNT. RGP consists of
knowledgeable collectors.
"Boycott" accomplished!
Can we get back to the "Rolling Stones are old" jokes now?
mandelbrot
Steven
Jason hartshorne
then posting it on a site dedicated to conserving the very thing
you've destroyed, or doing so without the use of fall arrest/ fall
restraint systems. Maybe post the video on a worksafe site and see if
they agree.
You know, this is the exact same fallout Vick got when he posted all
those vids on doglovers.net .... Nah, j/k he wasnt that stupid
MrBally
SOT for the Sally Struthers comment. "Gloria" is looking different
these days: http://www.thecheckoutgirl.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SallyStruthers12.jpg
ldnayman
> Not sure which is stupider, filming the destruction of something and
> then posting it on a site dedicated to conserving the very thing
> you've destroyed, or doing so without the use of fall arrest/ fall
> restraint systems. Maybe post the video on a worksafe site and see if
> they agree.
This is actually the only thing that bothered me about the video as
well.
Scott C
Jon
> > > > pitched off the roof........why stick up for douche bags......just
> > > > dont get it........i'm sure that these guys may have done something
> > > > nice for somebody here or there in the past before....and they
> > > > probably all take care of thier familys just fine......good citizens
> > > > maybee....but one thing this does demonstrate is that this hobby
> > > > ultimately means zero to them...just a way to make a buck.......if
> > > > they had a valued collection at their home and love things the way we
> > > > all here apparently do....they wouldnt be pitching this shit off the
> > > > roof.......they would wanna see this stuff go to the right
> > > > home.....nough said.....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Gusss we will see peoples opinions when they decide to pitch a AFM or
> > > a MM off the roof.........cant wait to see those posts....
>
> > Do you really think they would do that?
>
> > The games they threw off the roof suck. Good riddance and all hail
> > games.
>
> > Love the rgp meltdown that ensues every 5 years when Todd destroys
> > some of his garbage.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Whoever this Todd guy is obviously doesn't care about the collectors
> here on this community and around the world.
> Clearly, he is in this hobby strictly for the money. A loser like this
> will not see one penny of my money nor will he from anyone here that
> appreciates pinball. If you purchase products from this "TNT" place,
> you know where your money is going and to a person that will destroy
> more pins in the future; especially if this happens every 5 years or
> so as Idnayman says. Boycott this company and their stupid antics.
> Period.
Hey while we are at it a little while back someone posted a video of
Jackie Chan destroying classic pinball machines. Kung Foo Pinball.
Can we all agree to also boycott Jackie Chan movies and all of
Hollywood as well? No one was cared much about that one...
ldnayman
>
> Hey while we are at it a little while back someone posted a video of
> Jackie Chan destroying classic pinball machines. Kung Foo Pinball.
> Can we all agree to also boycott Jackie Chan movies and all of
>
> - Show quoted text -
Let's not forget the Tommy movie.
The funny thing is, if you actuall watch that movie and keep track of
the pins smashed, most of them are pretty crappy titles, and there are
multiples of many of them. Must have got them for nothing from
distributors or something.
Those chicago coin games didn't die in vain - many say that the Tommy
film contributed to pinball's popularity in the 70s.
Jon
With the talk about boycotts now, you'd really have to think about the
fact that you need to have supported a business in the past to remove
you future dealings that would have any significant impact. If you
gave TNT $0 in that past your $0 in the future has no sting
whatsoever. How many people here in this thread have supported TNT
this past year? I have a business relationship with TNT. If I need
something for a game I am working on and he has it...I buy it. Got a
good Gorgar glass for $25 last year to save a game missing the glass.
Hey we saved a game!
Another thing that needs to be raised here is that if we all believe
that saving pinball is the goal here then a boycott and what is in
essence inaction will doom more machines to this fate. How about
this...at the next Allentown show...buy one of TNT parts machines that
he brings religiously to the show...don't offer him 1/2 of the asking
price, but be fair not an ass...if he goes home with an empty truck,
then he will think twice about pitching a game in the future because
he would know that there is a caring community that puts its money
where its mouth is when it comes to saving POS machines. A boycott is
a lame and lazy way of trying to enact change, sometimes a good
gesture deserved or not can bring a stronger positive reaction. Maybe
a little radical but give it a thought without saying I have my head
up his ass or something that is just inflamatory.
Jon
psk445
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/psk445/internet_argument
Jason hartshorne
> I'll just leave this here:
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> http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/psk445/internet_argument
The little girl is obviously in the right here, the other guy is just
an ass.
Pin_Nut
As I stated earlier in this thread.. TNT Amusements is a business, TNT
is not John Doe home hobbyist. His business is to make money... A
warehouse cost's money, every game cost him money to house there. It
only makes sense to spend the money to house games that are in good
enough shape, or desirable enough to return a profit. This keeps his
overhead down.. The general consensus is he should save them/part them
out etc. At some point he has to look at the cost of:
A) paying an employee to take the parts off
B) paying an employee to inventory the parts that were taken off
C) Pay an employee to stock the parts
D) Pay for the real-estate to house the parts
Lets say he's done this to all the games that cant be saved.......
6 years later,part still sitting the he gets Joe Blow looking for a
part.. TNT says "yea" I have it.. Cost is $25 ( fair market value for
said part) .. He sells said part and now:
A) pays employee to pull part
B) pays employee to pack part
C) pays employée to ship part
In that 6 years he's paid for SIX employees to handle it, paid for 6
years of storing it and he crunches the numbers.......He's just lost
$$.... He's got $150 tied up into the part and had to sell it @ market
value of $25.... He just took $125 out of his business or his
family's/employees family's mouths.........
People DON'T go into business to lose money!!!! If everyone operated
like that, there would be no business!!!!!!!
What this VID did do:
A) Made essentially free advertisement for him to get his business
point across on the fact he sells NO JUNK..
B) Let his employees get paid to blow off some steam and have a little
fun (Which makes more productive employees).
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Pin_Nut
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Jonny O
and the fanboys freaked out. Hilarious.
mike
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You have a business relationship with this moron? What a shock! After
all the praise you heap on him after watching this idiotic video, I
thought you were just blowing him.
erickit
pmWolf
JeffB418
Well... not really.
Jeff B