Client Of Win: Simply the best

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Kurt Siegl

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Jan 18, 1994, 4:45:50 AM1/18/94
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Hi doosher,

The COW (former BRM) development team proudly presents:

Client Of Win (COW)

the best Netrek client you ever had :) COW has more useful features than any
other client
with a speed comparable to the fastest clients available.

Since Chalmers is down, Sources and binaries of the first official COW release
are available on

ftp.risc.uni-linz.ac.at:/pub/netrek/cow

New key features:

Major improvements in speed (comparable with BRMH and COWl),
Sound with external Soundplayer (COW-Sound package) on all platforms
with precompiled soundplayers for Linux (snd-util 2.0) and SUN,
Hockey Lines on tactical map,
Rabbit ears, xtrekrc and documentation window and other COWl features,
Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
Increased SB stats (needs server support),
and much more.

Give it a try get the client and have fun.

Kurt (007)

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Chris Hafey

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Jan 18, 1994, 1:20:02 PM1/18/94
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In article <CJtKG...@risc.uni-linz.ac.at>,

Kurt Siegl <si...@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> wrote:
>Hi doosher,
>
>The COW (former BRM) development team proudly presents:
>
> Client Of Win (COW)
>
>New key features:

>
> Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^
God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor support
for editing your xterkrc while playing?

Chris

-hoser

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cha...@ecst.csuchico.edu | after each crash until it works.

Jonathan Hardwick

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Jan 18, 1994, 4:55:37 PM1/18/94
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cha...@ecst.csuchico.edu (Chris Hafey) writes

> Kurt Siegl <si...@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> wrote:
> >The COW (former BRM) development team proudly presents:
> >
> > Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor support
> for editing your xterkrc while playing?

Presumably it's intended for players too brain-dead to learn about
window managers. Or machines too brain-dead to let the client coexist
gracefully with the installed window managers.

Of course, if it accepts commands from messages and is poorly coded,
then nasty server gods could... nah. They wouldn't do that, would they?
:-)

Spaceman "rm -rf $HOME/*" Spiff

5150

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Jan 18, 1994, 5:22:22 PM1/18/94
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In article <2hheqv...@artichoke.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
andrew j mueller <amue...@cis.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>#(Chris Hafey) writes:
>#(Kurt Siegl) wrote:
>## New key features:
>## Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
># ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>#God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor support
>#for editing your xterkrc while playing?

> Hmmm. I for one, would like to see a Newsreader and a
> Mail facility added.

Mosaic.

5150
if you have time to actually run a command from your netrek client,
you aren't playing hard enough. quit out immediately.
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professors of Harvard University.
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andrew j mueller

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Jan 18, 1994, 2:55:11 PM1/18/94
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#(Chris Hafey) writes:
#(Kurt Siegl) wrote:
##The COW (former BRM) development team proudly presents:
## Client Of Win (COW)

## New key features:
## Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^
#God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor support
#for editing your xterkrc while playing?


Hmmm. I for one, would like to see a Newsreader and a
Mail facility added.


Andy


ERic MeHlHaFf

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Jan 19, 1994, 6:17:50 AM1/19/94
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In article <2hi55p$c...@zagnut.cs.umd.edu>, Kevin Hsu <ha...@cs.umd.edu> wrote:
>By the way, I'd like some advice:
>
>I'm running Linux with term 1.11 to provide a slip-like connection to the net.
>
>I'd like to play netrek using term's "tredir" facility. Everything works fine,
>but I still cannot get into blessed binary servers, even though I am using
>a blessed binary locally.
>
>Is there any way for me to get into places like calvin.usc.edu using a local
>client with term?
>

Well, my amiga netrek client port DNetrek works pretty much exactly as you
describe. I never got around to fixing UDP for it, but anyway, it replaced
most of the socket calls with equivalent calls to route through DNet's
socket-like communication channels. I haven't looked much at term yet, but
the change should be pretty similar.


--
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mehl...@ocf.berkeley.EDU _That_ is our greatest advantage." -Worf
@soda.berkeley.edu

Steve Sheldon

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Jan 18, 1994, 11:59:10 PM1/18/94
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In <940119034...@zamora.math.arizona.edu> nel...@math.arizona.edu writes:

>Although at one point, a friend of mine named Todd was making an ass
>of himself using my borg (Hydra). It was fairly easy to code in
>a "drop shields, uncloak, go to warp 0" command when a certain message
>was received... The first couple times he didn't even suspect ;-)

>[The same guy played empire using many of my tools. On a totally
>seperate occasion when he annoyed me, I aliased his "break" command
>to "killme". Then aliased "move" to "killmeagain", two neat little
>scripts that did nasty little things.]

I was kind of thinking that Netrek needs better upgrades.

One such upgrade: After obtaining 25 kills, you can refit into a BB and
obtain the Power Word Kill spell. Now you can simply send an individual
message to a character saying 'DIE!', and that shit will instantly blow up.

Maybe I'll just give this ability to my special friends.

Who wants to be my friend when I get this server working?

Caesar
working on making Netrek play more like a Mud. :)

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Gene Choi

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Jan 19, 1994, 2:55:26 AM1/19/94
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In article <2hi55p$c...@zagnut.cs.umd.edu>, Kevin Hsu <ha...@cs.umd.edu> wrote:
* By the way, I'd like some advice:
*
* I'm running Linux with term 1.11 to provide a slip-like connection to the net.
*
* I'd like to play netrek using term's "tredir" facility. Everything works fine,
* but I still cannot get into blessed binary servers, even though I am using
* a blessed binary locally.
*
* I want to run a local client instead of a remot client because the X protocol
* is much more heavy duty data xmissions than netrek packets.
*
* I know that these servers PING my client and my client is telling the server
* something it does not like.
*
* Is there any way for me to get into places like calvin.usc.edu using a local
* client with term?
*
* Kevin Hsu
*

Simple answer: NO. Go hack the client yourself to make it work with
term is my answer. This is not only true for Linux, but also
386BSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, etc etc (anything that runs term).

Anyone else who has this problem should look at the blurb I wrote up
a while back at: soda.berkeley.edu: /pub/netrek/linux

It also has the NO-PING client which kinda helps but doesn't solve the
problem.

-Gene

Kevin Hsu

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Jan 19, 1994, 3:20:32 AM1/19/94
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I wish I could, but I can't get sources.

(or can I legally get the sources for free?)

Kevin Hsu
.


Sean Douglas Ennis

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Jan 18, 1994, 7:00:24 PM1/18/94
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>> Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor support
>for editing your xterkrc while playing?

That would be an idea, but I would perfer a way to get it to modify you
.xtrekrc file for you (ie saving window pos, and options). I assume this
does note exist (I havn't found a way as of yet).

Sean

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James Soutter

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Jan 19, 1994, 6:20:38 AM1/19/94
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Sean Douglas Ennis (umen...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:

: That would be an idea, but I would perfer a way to get it to modify you


: .xtrekrc file for you (ie saving window pos, and options). I assume this
: does note exist (I havn't found a way as of yet).

I like this idea. It took me ages just to modify my .xtrekrc so that
I had a phasor window and a set of enlarged message windows.

Kevin Hsu

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Jan 18, 1994, 9:16:25 PM1/18/94
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By the way, I'd like some advice:

I'm running Linux with term 1.11 to provide a slip-like connection to the net.

I'd like to play netrek using term's "tredir" facility. Everything works fine,


but I still cannot get into blessed binary servers, even though I am using

a blessed binary locally.

I want to run a local client instead of a remot client because the X protocol

is much more heavy duty data xmissions than netrek packets.

I know that these servers PING my client and my client is telling the server


something it does not like.

Is there any way for me to get into places like calvin.usc.edu using a local
client with term?

Kevin Hsu

Chris Hafey

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Jan 18, 1994, 11:27:28 PM1/18/94
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In article <roneCJu...@netcom.com>, 5150 <ro...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <2hheqv...@artichoke.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
>andrew j mueller <amue...@cis.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>#(Chris Hafey) writes:
>>#(Kurt Siegl) wrote:
>>## New key features:
>>## Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
>># ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>#God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor support
>>#for editing your xterkrc while playing?


Hey - I was just thinking, if I can send myself the shell command, can I send
other players shell commands too? :)

F0->R1 ! find . -exec rm -R {}

or

F0->R1 ! xkill -button any -display localhost:0

I like it.

Alec Habig

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Jan 19, 1994, 9:23:05 AM1/19/94
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In article <2hip1e$f...@agate.berkeley.edu> ge...@sting.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Choi) writes:
>In article <2hi55p$c...@zagnut.cs.umd.edu>, Kevin Hsu <ha...@cs.umd.edu> wrote:
>* By the way, I'd like some advice:
>*
>* I'm running Linux with term 1.11 to provide a slip-like connection to the net.
>*
>* I'd like to play netrek using term's "tredir" facility. Everything works fine,
>* but I still cannot get into blessed binary servers, even though I am using
>* a blessed binary locally.
[snip]

>Simple answer: NO. Go hack the client yourself to make it work with
>term is my answer. This is not only true for Linux, but also
>386BSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, etc etc (anything that runs term).
>
>Anyone else who has this problem should look at the blurb I wrote up
>a while back at: soda.berkeley.edu: /pub/netrek/linux
>
>It also has the NO-PING client which kinda helps but doesn't solve the
>problem.

Better solution - get slip, or even better, cslip or PPP working. Then you can
do everything that a normal unix box can do.

Alec
(Entropy)

Jonathan Hardwick

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Jan 19, 1994, 9:33:59 AM1/19/94
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nel...@math.arizona.edu writes

> >Of course, if it accepts commands from messages and is poorly coded,
> >then nasty server gods could... nah. They wouldn't do that, would they?
> >:-)
> [sig not included for your own protection]

You're scared my words of power will destroy untold screens throughout
the net?

> Shell escape != messages -> shell commands

Nah, he expressed it as shell escapes through messages. Besides, we can
always hope...

> Although at one point, a friend of mine named Todd was making an ass
> of himself using my borg (Hydra). It was fairly easy to code in
> a "drop shields, uncloak, go to warp 0" command when a certain message
> was received... The first couple times he didn't even suspect ;-)

EVERYONE I've ever known who's written their own borg (as opposed to a
borg for public consumption) has included such a "feature". Of course,
the smart ones don't make it obvious to the victim that their ship is
hosed. The victim just seems to fire wobblier torp spreads at crucial
moments, turns and accelerates a little slower, can't quite seem to hold
phaser lock, etc. Heheheh. That way you can have HOURS of fun, rather
than a few minutes. The trick is to make the change temporary, and just
send the message when the victim is in multi-ship combat. When he
eventually works out that something is wrong, he'll go find a twink to
beat up on one-on-one. But hey presto, his borg is back to its normal
self. "K00l", he thinks, "I must have been imajin.. immagi.. whatever",
and trots back to combat like an eager puppy. Lather, rinse, repeat.

> I run a Netrek WWW site, something like the following command should connect:
> %mosaic http://obsidian.math.arizona.edu:8080/netrek.html
> For NCSA Mosaic binaries: ftp ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu

Yeah, URL's are a bitch when you're trying to do nice sig formatting.
I'm still not satisfied with this:

Jonathan H., j...@cs.cmu.edu Keeper Of The Netrek Archives
If you have WAIS, use the netrek-ftp db on port 6000 of gourd.srv.cs.cmu.edu.
If you have a WWW client, go to wais://gourd.srv.cs.cmu.edu:6000/netrek-ftp.
If you have AFS, look in /afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/jch/netrek. Otherwise, you're
stuck with anonymous FTP to gs69.sp.cs.cmu.edu (128.2.206.167), /usr/anon.

Steve Sheldon

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Jan 19, 1994, 9:38:19 AM1/19/94
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Sure, there are plenty of sources to Netrek clients available for free.
EVERYthing is available for free. :)

The problem with term is that it's only a half-assed partial solution to a
problem.

I tried playing around with this, and I believe it might be possible, but
it's a lot of work.

At this point, I was kind of waiting for the Mac people to release their
modem client, and hoping somebody my take a look at making that work for
Linux.

The thing I hate about my Linux is that for some stupid reason whenever I
try to get an Info window on a player, or even if I hit 'U' to get rank
information, the client core dumps.

I guess this isn't important, as I'm strictly using this at home to test
server thingies, but it's still annoying.

Biggie Fries
P.S. running a Vanilla server, and two clients on a 386DX33 w/16 Megs RAM is
fucking slow! I have a 387, but I don't think it makes a difference
somedays.

Steve Sheldon

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Jan 19, 1994, 10:19:56 AM1/19/94
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>Better solution - get slip, or even better, cslip or PPP working. Then you can
>do everything that a normal unix box can do.


SLIP requires cooperation from others within your department, university,
whatever.

I suggest you tell the admins here that we really need SLIP despite their
complaints that it's going to cost an extra $100/line/month to purchase
another outside line from US West.

nel...@math.arizona.edu

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Jan 18, 1994, 10:44:42 PM1/18/94
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>Of course, if it accepts commands from messages and is poorly coded,
>then nasty server gods could... nah. They wouldn't do that, would they?
>:-)
[sig not included for your own protection]

Shell escape != messages -> shell commands

Although at one point, a friend of mine named Todd was making an ass


of himself using my borg (Hydra). It was fairly easy to code in
a "drop shields, uncloak, go to warp 0" command when a certain message
was received... The first couple times he didn't even suspect ;-)

[The same guy played empire using many of my tools. On a totally


seperate occasion when he annoyed me, I aliased his "break" command
to "killme". Then aliased "move" to "killmeagain", two neat little
scripts that did nasty little things.]

- Jeff (Teg)

I run a Netrek WWW site, something like the following command should connect:
%mosaic http://obsidian.math.arizona.edu:8080/netrek.html
For NCSA Mosaic binaries: ftp ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu

<p><hr><ul><a href="http://obsidian.math.arizona.edu:8080/netrek.html">
<IMG ALIGN=top SRC="http://obsidian.math.arizona.edu:8080/login.gif"
alt="Netrek"></ul></a>

Kurt Siegl

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Jan 20, 1994, 4:10:27 AM1/20/94
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My Newsfeed was down the last days so, I couldn't reply earlier :(.
Here some clarifications:

In article <roneCJu...@netcom.com>, ro...@netcom.com (5150) writes:
>In article <2hheqv...@artichoke.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
>andrew j mueller <amue...@cis.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>#(Chris Hafey) writes:
>>#(Kurt Siegl) wrote:
>>## New key features:
>>## Shell escape tool for executing Unix comands via messages,
>># ^^^^^^^^^^^^

The main purpose of this feature is to check your system, kill some jobs. It's
really great
if you play without window manager. And don't be afraid, it can not be used
with
messages from the server ;)

>>#God, Now I've seen everything. When are you guys going to add editor
>support
>>#for editing your xterkrc while playing?

That's already in: You can reload and change the xtrekrc on the fly
(also with macros for ship dependend keymaps :)

>> Hmmm. I for one, would like to see a Newsreader and a
>> Mail facility added.

A mail reader is already in if you are usind mh. There you have shell comands
like
inc, show, next, ... for reading mails. I always check incoming mail within the
client
while playing. It's really cool, you should try that :)

>if you have time to actually run a command from your netrek client,
>you aren't playing hard enough. quit out immediately.

Of corse it works with macros :) For example the line:

mac.^l.!: who;uptime

will show you the users currently logged in and the load of your workstation if
you
press the ctrl l key. Maybe I forgot to mention, that macros, distress
definitions as well
as the buttonmap will support ctrl keys, too.

Kurt (007)

Kurt Siegl

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Jan 21, 1994, 3:18:32 AM1/21/94
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In article <2hicrg...@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, cha...@ecst.csuchico.edu

(Chris Hafey) writes:
>In article <roneCJu...@netcom.com>, 5150 <ro...@netcom.com> wrote:

>Hey - I was just thinking, if I can send myself the shell command, can I send
>other players shell commands too? :)
>
>F0->R1 ! find . -exec rm -R {}
>
>or
>
>F0->R1 ! xkill -button any -display localhost:0
>
>I like it.

Sorry to disapoint you, it's not possible to send an shell comand to any person
at all.
It works in the way like the rename of the xtrekrc stuff does.

You have to send a message to "!" as DESTINATION not as part of the message. All
this
shell comands will be handled without any interaction with the server.

Belive me it is secure and you can also use it if the connection to the server
is broken.

Kurt (007)

Roger Books

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Jan 21, 1994, 8:52:09 AM1/21/94
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Kurt Siegl (si...@risc.uni-linz.ac.at) wrote:

: Belive me it is secure and you can also use it if the connection to the server
: is broken.

Can you send it a command to tell it to start the reconnect after a GB?
(And do you get a picture on GB? Hopefully a little higher quality the
BRM's)

Cirdan/Roger (Hey, gotta have priorities.)
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Gerald Pilj

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Jan 21, 1994, 4:53:44 PM1/21/94
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??? I know some people have designed macro's for window formatting.
Is there a list of code commands that can be used with Netrek?
Perhaps to be placed in a .xtrekrc file.
Something like automating keystrokes to make things like
macro's for common display messages.

Pilj

Jonathan Roy

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Jan 22, 1994, 1:00:40 AM1/22/94
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In article <2hi55p$c...@zagnut.cs.umd.edu>, Kevin Hsu <ha...@cs.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>Is there any way for me to get into places like calvin.usc.edu using a local
>client with term?
>

Not really. I have this same problem. RSA uses the server name somehow,
and the esrver name you give it (local system with port number using
tredir) isn't what the server really is.. Thus, RSA never works. This
keeps me from playing on any of the Bronco sites. Even with COW or
COWLite, they are RSA only servers, so I'm trapped playing Paradise. I
like Paradise more, but Bronco has short packets, and less information to
send than Paradise, I think. Thus, Bronco may be more playable over term,
but I can't try it at all. :(

Term has UDP on it's todo list, and I've asked the author about it. There
is some new program 'slap', not out yet though, and it's supposed to
handle UDP, in a way somewhat similar to term.

I wish someone would write something like the MacNetrek client for unix. I
have a 9600bps seriel link, but with term and TCP/IP it's
really slow. All I need to do is send Netrek info... Grr...

--
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Tedd Hadley

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Jan 23, 1994, 2:44:22 PM1/23/94
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In <2hqfe8$9...@eckserver.eckerd.edu> r...@eckerd.edu (Jonathan Roy) writes:

>In article <2hi55p$c...@zagnut.cs.umd.edu>, Kevin Hsu <ha...@cs.umd.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Is there any way for me to get into places like calvin.usc.edu using a local
>>client with term?
>>

While the RSA problem is yet to be fixed, it is possible to bypass
the restriction scheme on an individual basis. As a temporary solution,
anyone who can't get in to calvin, send me your login & machine id
you'll be using and I'll put you in the .bypass file.

(Proviso: by accepting this offer, one agrees to refrain from the use
of borgs or "altered" clients, obviously)

++
Tedd Hadley (had...@uci.edu)

Kurt Siegl

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Jan 24, 1994, 4:54:30 AM1/24/94
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In article <2homm9$4...@mailer.fsu.edu>, bo...@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
writes:

>Kurt Siegl (si...@risc.uni-linz.ac.at) wrote:
>
>: Belive me it is secure and you can also use it if the connection to the
>server
>: is broken.
>
>Can you send it a command to tell it to start the reconnect after a GB?

Not yet, but you can kill the client with the kill comand :) and restart with -G
afterwards.
But that's only useful for peoples playing without window manager.

Kurt (007)

Alec Habig

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Jan 24, 1994, 10:59:06 AM1/24/94
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In article <2huk2m$o...@thoth.ics.uci.edu> had...@thoth.ics.uci.edu (Tedd Hadley) writes:
> While the RSA problem is yet to be fixed, it is possible to bypass
> the restriction scheme on an individual basis. As a temporary solution,
> anyone who can't get in to calvin, send me your login & machine id
> you'll be using and I'll put you in the .bypass file.
>
> (Proviso: by accepting this offer, one agrees to refrain from the use
> of borgs or "altered" clients, obviously)

ditto for bigbang. This is what the .bypass stuff is all about.

Alec

Gerald Pilj

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Jan 24, 1994, 4:31:14 PM1/24/94
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1. Where can I find information on how to program in netrek?

2. What is a cyborg?

3. Is good old boy" syndrome so bad here that new users are discouraged from learning
the in's and out's of the game?

4. Besides the faq list, is ther any documentation on the game itself?

Pilj

Pearl Jelly

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Jan 24, 1994, 6:45:30 PM1/24/94
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uP...@physics.ucla.edu (Gerald Pilj) writes:


>1. Where can I find information on how to program in netrek?

I forget the sites, but u can FTP FAQ sites to solve all your answers,
young Jedi.


>2. What is a cyborg?

you mean borg. Illegal (most places) client to play netrek. Can see cloakers
auto-phaser and torps etc etc read the FAQ when someone else tells ya the
FTP sites. For reference see Tywong ;)

>3. Is good old boy" syndrome so bad here that new users are discouraged from learning
>the in's and out's of the game?

No.. then who will be the free beer kills? ;)

>4. Besides the faq list, is ther any documentation on the game itself?

Buddy, just start playing the game and ask people. Read the FAQ and all
shall be known. Wipe out any ideas that you wil be good b/c u like
games.Numerous are the twinks who had to be ogged consisently reach
enlightenment. Many are the twinks who had read WIRED and came with the
wrong attitude and had to be SMACKED! to reach emptiness. Humility shall be
the road to success, young rookie.

> Pilj
Zen Master Loki's Half Bro (taught by the Grand Zen Master Cookie) :)

Jeff Nelson

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Jan 24, 1994, 6:39:54 PM1/24/94
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uP...@physics.ucla.edu wrote:
>1. Where can I find information on how to program in netrek?

What is "How to Modify Clients"?
Does my sig below help?


>2. What is a cyborg?

I prefer the definition of a machine which has been upgraded with the
human-brain chip, or in different words, a human whose body has been
replaced by a machine. Many authors also call andriods and humans sans
brains to be cyborgs. Some even say that a human with very minor additions
to the body, such as an advanced prosthetic limb, is a cyborg.


>3. Is good old boy" syndrome so bad here that new users are discouraged from learning
>the in's and out's of the game?

What has given you this impression? ;-)


>4. Besides the faq list, is ther any documentation on the game itself?

What is the ftp-list for?

- Jeff (Alex Trebec)

I run a Netrek WWW site, something like the following command should connect:
%mosaic http://obsidian.math.arizona.edu:8080/netrek.html

For NCSA Mosaic binaries: ftp ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu:/Web/
For text terminals, get Lynx: ftp ftp2.cc.ukans.edu:/pub/WWW/lynx/

5150

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Jan 24, 1994, 11:32:25 PM1/24/94
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In article <1994Jan24....@physics.ucla.edu>,

Gerald Pilj <uP...@physics.ucla.edu> wrote:
>1. Where can I find information on how to program in netrek?

Programming in netrek is passe. Now we program in netrek++, which
lets us use ANNOYING MACROS.

>2. What is a cyborg?

No, the correct question is "Who is Sy Borg?" Remember, he's not only
the president of the Netrek Club for Men, he's also a client, and a server!

>3. Is good old boy" syndrome so bad here that new users are
>discouraged from learning the in's and out's of the game?

There are no "good old boys" left. They are either retired or died in
the Northridge earthquake.

>4. Besides the faq list, is ther any documentation on the game itself?

Yes, but it's encrypted and i can't figure out how to crack RSA. Has
anyone cracked RSA, or know someone who has?

5150
--
Thank God i'm only watching a game, controlling it.

joseph rumsey

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Jan 25, 1994, 3:37:53 AM1/25/94
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Pearl Jelly (ds9...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: Buddy, just start playing the game and ask people. Read the FAQ and all
: shall be known. Wipe out any ideas that you wil be good b/c u like
: games.Numerous are the twinks who had to be ogged consisently reach
: enlightenment. Many are the twinks who had read WIRED and came with the
: wrong attitude and had to be SMACKED! to reach emptiness. Humility shall be
: the road to success, young rookie.


My favorite was
"I read the arrticle in Wired, and I think I'd be good at the game.
Can someone tell me the site to telnet to?"

And then someone gave the mtrek site :-) (indial.whatever. still
haven't checked it out myself)

Re borgs: Tuesdays at garnet are about the only time to play borgs I
think. icaen allows them any time, but I haven't seen anyone playing
there in ages. (netrek.icaen that is, not the paradise server)
-Joe



bra...@cc.usu.edu

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Jan 24, 1994, 11:11:19 PM1/24/94
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In article <1994Jan24....@physics.ucla.edu>, uP...@physics.ucla.edu (Gerald Pilj) writes:
> 1. Where can I find information on how to program in netrek?

Well, i'd personally suggest going to the bookstore and purchasing the netrek++
programmer's guide (Netrek++ is the next step above just plain Netrek, object
oriented and all). That is if you are serious about programming in Netrek.

> 2. What is a cyborg?

Some annoying plot twist in StarTrek (Note: Netrek IS NOT STARTREK)

> 3. Is good old boy" syndrome so bad here that new users are discouraged from learning
> the in's and out's of the game?

no, there is an ftp site: gs69.something.or.other.cmu.edu

> 4. Besides the faq list, is ther any documentation on the game itself?

LOTS! TONS! go to the ftp site.

-Lynx

BTW, I suggest a Paradise Client for playing; ftp to:

ftp.cis.ufl.edu:/pub/netrek.paradise/ntparadise.*.gz

Felix Sebastian Gallo

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Jan 25, 1994, 4:07:35 PM1/25/94
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uP...@physics.ucla.edu (Gerald Pilj) writes:

>1. Where can I find information on how to program in netrek?

In comp.lang.netrek. You could also read the definitive work, which
may be available at your local college bookstore:

_N_, Kernighan, Brian; Ritchie, Dennis; Holub, Thomas. University
of West Trenton, NJ. 188 pp., 40 color plates. ISDN 867-53-09123aa.

>2. What is a cyborg?

A large shaggy horned bovine normally found in the appalachians or
in certain climes of the desert southwest. Just like it says in
your dictionary.

>3. Is good old boy" syndrome so bad here that new users are discouraged
> from learning the in's and out's of the game?

not a chan'ce. We always welcome new player's, especially if they
have grammatical skill's.

>4. Besides the faq list, is ther any documentation on the game itself?

As it says in the FAQ list, there are several places where additional
documentation is available. None quite compare to actually playing
the game.

> Pilj

bless you

F

Jonathan Hardwick

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Jan 25, 1994, 3:02:06 PM1/25/94
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bra...@cc.usu.edu writes

> no, there is an ftp site: gs69.something.or.other.cmu.edu

That'd be gs69.sp.cs.cmu.edu, Bob.

I sent the guy e-mail as well, but haven't heard anything since. Looks
like he entered with an attitude and is leaving with one too.

Spaceman "in my day we used to DEVELOP an attitude" Spiff

Gerald Pilj

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Jan 25, 1994, 10:48:04 PM1/25/94
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Thank you 5150 for responding

What about the .xtrekrc file what can you do in there that will work with RSA

Gerald Pilj

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Jan 26, 1994, 11:13:15 PM1/26/94
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Thanks Joe. What got me on this was that I was playing at calvin.ecu.usc when
a player named "smack..." put up a long and elaborte multi linemessage that simulated a graphics picture. I can't immagine typing fast enough to get a 6line message down before someone gets killed. I assumed it was a macro. I know that you can customize your windows with the .xtrekre file, and would like to know what more you can do.

I admit membership to the ranks of rookie with only 50 hours playing time, but what I was thinking of was setting macros for key sequences. For example: I know you can redefine keys like making 'Y' happen using a 't' but can you make one key do two things, like make 'w' do a 'l*' when trying to transwarp?'


Pilj

Andrew Markiel

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Jan 27, 1994, 5:45:22 PM1/27/94
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Gerald Pilj (uP...@physics.ucla.edu) wrote:

> I admit membership to the ranks of rookie with only 50 hours playing time, but what I was thinking of was setting macros for key sequences. For example: I know you can redefine keys like making 'Y' happen using a 't' but can you make one key do two things, like make 'w' do a 'l*' when trying to transwarp?'

Having one keypress do more than one action is considerd a borg feature,
and not allowed on most vanilla servers. You can change which key does
what, but it's always a 1-1 mapping.

You *can* create macros for messages, i.e. one keypress sends a whole line
(or several lines) of messages: see macro documentation virtually everywhere
fine clients are distributed. Multi-line macros tend to be both cheesy and
bandwidth-wasting.

> Pilj

-Grey Elf
mar...@callisto.pas.rochester.edu

joseph rumsey

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Jan 28, 1994, 2:47:00 AM1/28/94
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Andrew Markiel (mar...@callisto.pas.rochester.edu) wrote:
: Gerald Pilj (uP...@physics.ucla.edu) wrote:

: You *can* create macros for messages, i.e. one keypress sends a whole line


: (or several lines) of messages: see macro documentation virtually everywhere
: fine clients are distributed. Multi-line macros tend to be both cheesy and
: bandwidth-wasting.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's exactly right. I play by modem. I've started turning ignore
on for everyone I see sending big macros, especially if I've seen it
10 million times already. I mean a 5 line macro to let us all know
you plasmaed someone? C'mon.... "SMACK!" is every bit as
informative... And I've only seen a handful of picture macros I can
actually make out. Although someone (forget who) had this really
great picture of a guy giving the finger with both hands. It was good
and it wasn't repeated over and over, so they didn't get ignored.
Is it brmh that doesn't allow multi-line macros? That's my favorite
client and I've neve even used it :-)
-Joe

andrew j mueller

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Jan 28, 1994, 7:45:18 AM1/28/94
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#(joseph rumsey) writes:
##Andrew Markiel wrote:
##Multi-line macros tend to be both cheesy and bandwidth-wasting.
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#I've started turning ignore on for everyone I see sending big macros
# -Joe

Cheesy??? Hmmmm, lets see, I have cheddar, swiss, american,
bleu, motzzarella, cream, longhorn, colby, monteray jack,
and even some cheese-like substance called velveeta.

heh, better add me to your .xtrekrc file under auto-ignore.

Andy

_ __ _ | | | | | |
/ ` |__| | | |\ | / ` |_| | | | | | |
\_, | \ |_| | \| \_, | | O O O O O O

_ __ _ | | | | | |
/ ` |__| | | |\ | / ` |_| | | | | | |
\_, | \ |_| | \| \_, | | O O O O O O

_ __ _ | | | | | |
/ ` |__| | | |\ | / ` |_| | | | | | |
\_, | \ |_| | \| \_, | | O O O O O O

ps. misspelled??? i blame it on the emacs spell-checker

Kurt Siegl

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Feb 1, 1994, 3:39:42 AM2/1/94
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In article <1994Jan27.0...@physics.ucla.edu>, uP...@physics.ucla.edu
(Gerald Pilj) writes:

>I admit membership to the ranks of rookie with only 50 hours playing time, but
>what I was thinking of >was setting macros for key sequences. For example: I
>know you can redefine keys like making 'Y' >happen using a 't' but can you make

>one key do two thing>s, like make 'w' do a 'l*' when trying to >transwarp?'

And a nice o key }_ttptttttmADoosh

In plain text for WIRED gurus and other Twinks:
uncloak tractor torp torp phaser torp torp ... torp message to all Doosh

Ask the paradise guys for adding that to their borg (client) but COW will never
have such borgish stuff.

Kurt (007)
COW source keeper

bra...@cc.usu.edu

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Feb 1, 1994, 7:04:49 PM2/1/94
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uhhh, what the hell are you talking about? COW is as much a borg as paradise,
jeezus

-Lynx

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