[Warmaster] Why not 15mm?
Craig Fox
Warmaster. They are dinky! The shop sales clerk told me that they were
in 10mm "heroic" scale. When I had seen the promo material for the game
I had assumed that they would be in about 15mm. This of course would
have made too much sense. If they were 15mm I could buy some and put
them in my 15mm armies. But No they are all much too small. So unless
I want to create the Hobbit Horde of Doom I really cant use them.
Can someone explain why the smaller scale makes sense to GW? With their
older stuff they didn't say: "Oh look everyone is using 25mm, lets make
ours 18mm so no one can use them in their armies!"
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Stephen Croft
See, that was back in the day before GW was so anal about ONLY using
thier products. Now, with 10mm, that no one else uses, they are
guaranteed that if you want to play Warhamster, you have to use thier
models.
-phatty
Jimi
> thier products. Now, with 10mm, that no one else uses, they are
> guaranteed that if you want to play Warhamster, you have to use thier
> models.
Close - GW decided upon 10mm because there is only a handful of 10mm mini
manufacturers whereas there are lots of 15mm ones.
Checkout Pendraken and Irregular Miniatures.
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>I had assumed that they would be in about 15mm. This of course would
>have made too much sense. If they were 15mm I could buy some and put
>them in my 15mm armies.
I think you've missed the point...
John L. Martin
Craig Fox <buck...@trail.com> wrote in message
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> Just the other day I was in a local game store and I saw the figures for
> Warmaster. They are dinky! The shop sales clerk told me that they were
> I had assumed that they would be in about 15mm. This of course would
> have made too much sense.
Napoleonics for two years already. The reason I went with 10mm and not 15mm
was because for the same painting effort per base of figures, you could put
more figs on the base. I have six 10mm ACW on 3/4x1" bases and nine
Napoleonic figures on 1x1" bases... in 15mm the recommended figure count is
4!
Two years ago you would have been quite alone going with 10mm but the scale
has survived and seems to gaining popularity (as seen by WWII vehicles now
appearing). It takes the same amount of time to paint 9 French Line in 10mm
as it would to do four in 15mm yet the nine makes things look more massed
which is what we want anyway.
> If they were 15mm I could buy some and put
> them in my 15mm armies. But No they are all much too small. So unless
> I want to create the Hobbit Horde of Doom I really cant use them.
Warmaster is a game of base size and the DBx players have been putting 15mm
figures on 40x20mm bases for eons and so could you. Granted, it would LOOK
a little silly to have 10mm fighting 15mm but the base size remains constant
so it is possible. If your entire group went with 15's you have no problem
at all.
> Can someone explain why the smaller scale makes sense to GW? With their
> older stuff they didn't say: "Oh look everyone is using 25mm, lets make
> ours 18mm so no one can use them in their armies!"
IMHO, Games Workshop lead the way with "big 25's" which are now 28mm and
getting larger. In a way GW did create a scale...older 25mm figures are
dwarfed by their modern cousins
In the 10mm is not a bad scale, and their are alternatives like Pendraken
and AIM plus, if you REALLY wanted to, 15mm can be used as long as the base
size is constant.
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JS Turner
>>Just the other day I was in a local game store and I saw the figures for
>>Warmaster. They are dinky! The shop sales clerk told me that they were
>>in 10mm "heroic" scale. When I had seen the promo material for the game
>>I had assumed that they would be in about 15mm. This of course would
>>have made too much sense. If they were 15mm I could buy some and put
>>them in my 15mm armies. But No they are all much too small. So unless
>>I want to create the Hobbit Horde of Doom I really cant use them.
>>Can someone explain why the smaller scale makes sense to GW? With their
>>older stuff they didn't say: "Oh look everyone is using 25mm, lets make
>>ours 18mm so no one can use them in their armies!"
They are 15mm! it's just GW's lack of measuring standards and scale creep. In
the case of warmaster, they've gotten smaller (perhaps this is where the extra
mm's on the 40K stuff came from :) ) just check the size discrepancy of the
rhino and you too will see that Warmaster is 15mm in theory. :)
Alistair Hutton
Stephen Croft <gte...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote
>See, that was back in the day before GW was so anal about ONLY using
>thier products. Now, with 10mm, that no one else uses, they are
>guaranteed that if you want to play Warhamster, you have to use thier
>models.
Or Pendrake.
Or Warrior-Online.
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Alistair Hutton
Martin <jlma...@nconnect.net> wrote
>> Can someone explain why the smaller scale makes sense to GW? With their
>> older stuff they didn't say: "Oh look everyone is using 25mm, lets make
>> ours 18mm so no one can use them in their armies!"
>getting larger. In a way GW did create a scale...older 25mm figures are
>dwarfed by their modern cousins
>
I was reading an article in Wargames Illustrated which basically said
right from the very beginning Americas produced 25s and Britain produced
28s. Now GW produces 32s at the very least.
John Secker
<aver...@flash.net> writes
>>>Just the other day I was in a local game store and I saw the figures for
>>>Warmaster. They are dinky! The shop sales clerk told me that they were
>>>in 10mm "heroic" scale. When I had seen the promo material for the game
>>>I had assumed that they would be in about 15mm. This of course would
>>>have made too much sense. If they were 15mm I could buy some and put
>>>them in my 15mm armies. But No they are all much too small. So unless
>>>I want to create the Hobbit Horde of Doom I really cant use them.
>>>older stuff they didn't say: "Oh look everyone is using 25mm, lets make
>>>ours 18mm so no one can use them in their armies!"
>
>the case of warmaster, they've gotten smaller (perhaps this is where the extra
>mm's on the 40K stuff came from :) ) just check the size discrepancy of the
>rhino and you too will see that Warmaster is 15mm in theory. :)
>
level. (Presumably Low Elves would be only 9mm). I think they chose 10mm
because they look good - I certainly went straight for them as soon as I
saw them on display. I have a lot of 15mm (mostly Ancients) and 6mm (WW2
and Colonials), but I haven't done any 10mm until now. They seem to be a
good compromise - better looking than 6mm, and easier to paint than
15mm. They also give a better impression of masses of troops than the
larger scales. It's hard to switch scales in an era where you already
have a lot of figures (if I started 10mm Ancients I would be abandoning
thousands of 15mm figures), but it looks like a good scale for starting
something new.
--
John Secker
VVFritzVv
>Warmaster. They are dinky! The shop sales clerk told me that they were
>in 10mm "heroic" scale. When I had seen the promo material for the game
>I had assumed that they would be in about 15mm. This of course would
>have made too much sense. If they were 15mm I could buy some and put
>them in my 15mm armies. But No they are all much too small. So unless
>I want to create the Hobbit Horde of Doom I really cant use them.
>Can someone explain why the smaller scale makes sense to GW? With their
>older stuff they didn't say: "Oh look everyone is using 25mm, lets make
>ours 18mm so no one can use them in their armies!"
>
Actaully if you want tio play REALLY impressive (and LONG) games you can use
15mm figs for WHFB.....that is what thier ground scale works out to be....you
get to play bigger games and at about the correct ranges.
But if you want to use 15mm for Warmaster...as long as your opponents agree I
don't see a reason in the world why you shouldn't.
Steve
VVFritzVv
>See, that was back in the day before GW was so anal about ONLY using
>thier products. Now, with 10mm, that no one else uses, they are
>guaranteed that if you want to play Warhamster, you have to use thier
>models.
>
>
>
>
Acutally I Minifigs is putting out a line of 10mm fantasy figs sometime in the
next month or so, I know the first race will be orc/goblins. I think Dwarves
are next....Good stuff I saw saples at the GAMA show.
Steve
Ross Stephens
<vvfr...@aol.com> writes
>Actaully if you want tio play REALLY impressive (and LONG) games you can use
>15mm figs for WHFB.....that is what thier ground scale works out to be....you
>get to play bigger games and at about the correct ranges.
>
>But if you want to use 15mm for Warmaster...as long as your opponents agree I
>don't see a reason in the world why you shouldn't.
>
>Steve
The guy who runs the local gaming club has used some of his old 15mm
ancients to play 'alternate-warmaster'. Bases have been kept the same
size and we've devised some stats/points for the various troop type
based on the army lists.
They look pretty good (infantry 8 to a base cav 4 to a base) and the
rules play OK - we still need to tweak the stats we came up with as the
Ancient Britons really kick ass (even when 50% of this chariots refuse
to obey orders !)
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Ross
Myrmydon
Gouge Workshop, oh I mean Gamesworkshop, probably did 10mm to avoid people
buying reasonably priced 15mm figures. My understanding is that when ever you
play a GW sanctioned game you MUST use GW figs.There are a lot of 15mm figs out
there, and only a few in 10mm, least competition the 10mm range.