New GW Projects?
Will Beckley
Necromunda but how so? I heard that they are removing the figures from
the box, but are they leaving the structures in? What will the new box
contain? I heard an estimate of $40 for the new box, so are they going
to sell plastic mini gangs, or will you just have to spend the $60 it
takes to buy 2 gangs?
Next on my questions is this: Are they redoing Man O War? I heard that
they were.
Finally, what are the new games that they are doing? I heard about
Warhammer Siege, but what is that, and what else is there?
Will Beckley
Custserv
Newcromunda Releases
THE BOYS ARE BACK
Many thought it would never, ever happen, but it has! The full
collection of Necromunda rules (including the Outlanders supplement) can
be found in one rather large hardback book appropriately titled -
Necromunda. All the templates and counters that were found in the boxed
game can also be found in the back section of this new Necromunda book
(paper not card though).
The Goliaths and Orlocks that were found in the big boxed game have been
packed into two separate small boxed sets. And, as for all the scenery,
that has been packaged into a new boxed set (40K Industrial Battlezone -
see below).
985760 Necromunda (Hardback book) $39.99
(The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
and from the 40K section:
Finally, scenery buffs can expand their universe with the Industrial
Battlezone. This plastic and card boxed set is the same scenery that was
found in the Necromunda boxed set. And of course, they are great for
Necromunda as well :)
983407 40k Industrial Battleone $39.99
(Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
No plans right now for Man O' War, though Mail Order USA now has all the
ships.
Warhammer Siege is coming next month, and the next big project (aside
from the Warhammer Fortress, which is pretty big!) will be Dogs of War,
the Warhammer Mercenaries Book (September it looks like).
Hope this helps!
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Evil Homer
Cust...@Games-Workshop.com embarrassed himself at an international level
by blurting out...
> 983407 40k Industrial Battleone $39.99
> (Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
>
You're joking, right? Right?
It's CARDBOARD fergodsake.
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Dares to present alternate opinions to yours. Because, face it, you're
wrong.
Matt Forish
You're joking right? It comes with platic bulkheads fersanitysake.
Matt Forish, knows what the Necro buildings are made of, still ain't
gonna buy the boxed terrain set, because, face it, you can make better
yourself with a little work.
Justin Thibeault
>
> No he is telling the truth. As a side note what was the price of the
> Necromunda box set in the states, how about the two boxes of plastic
> gangers. I have a feeling that Games workshop are charging about 1/3 more
> for this lot now that it is available signally.
Necro box set... $60 I think... A plastic bulkhead sprue is $6 and
plastic ganger sprues are $8 each... Buy a box set and sell the ganger
sprues for retail price and you'll be making a getting the buildings for
less than $40. :) plus whatever you can auction off the books, etc
for.
Will Beckley
> 985760 Necromunda (Hardback book) $39.99
> (The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
>
> 978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
> 978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
> Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
> 983407 40k Industrial Battleone $39.99
> (Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
So lets round prices and total. By not getting the old boxed set when I
could, I have lost $30?
The Battlezone is what was in the old box, the rules are slightly changed
but are basically what was in the box, and the 2 old gangs are gonna cost
$20? So basically you are removing the old box and seperating it so that one
could buy the components for an additional $30. Wow, you're right
<<Many Thought it would never, ever happen, but it has!>>
GW has reached an all time new low in their sick pricing schemes.
Will Beckley
Person who may have just changed his mind from his original thoughts of
"Maybe I shouldn't boycott GW. Necromunda looks so cool!"
PS: Please tell me you were mistaken. My local games shop told me $40 for
everything except the gangs. That sounds more like it.
Stormbringer
Necromunda box set in the states, how about the two boxes of plastic
gangers. I have a feeling that Games workshop are charging about 1/3 more
for this lot now that it is available signally.
The laughing god smiles!
Leo
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Evil Homer wrote in message ...
>In article <41BC084311DDD011B67D000000000001048903@HORUS>,
>Cust...@Games-Workshop.com embarrassed himself at an international level
>by blurting out...
>> 983407 40k Industrial Battleone $39.99
>> (Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
>>
>
Michael Falcon-Gates
Cust...@Games-Workshop.com says...
>
>Here's a sneak peak at the Necromunda info from the Newsletter:
>
>(The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
Forty bucks, for a rulebook. Wow. I mean, WOW. I've NEVER seen a separate
rulebook for anything go for more than, hm, twenty-five bucks or so.
>978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
>978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
>Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
>
>and from the 40K section:
>Finally, scenery buffs can expand their universe with the Industrial
>Battlezone. This plastic and card boxed set is the same scenery that was
>found in the Necromunda boxed set. And of course, they are great for
>Necromunda as well :)
>
>983407 40k Industrial Battleone $39.99
>(Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
Forty bucks, for the Necro building. Wow. Again, with the WOW. I've seen
One hundred US dollars even, for the same stuff that cost-- what was it?
Sixty? -- in a box set.
One hundred dollars. I could buy "Legions of Steel" AND "Great Rail Wars"
for that much money, and have enough left over for a couple of bottles of
paint. Or I could buy all the Warzone rules, all five books' worth. (Or,
to make a better comparison, I could buy the main book, ONE supplement
book, and a 750-point army for any side I wanted.)
I like to think I'm used to GW's money-grubbing ways, but sometimes they
just amaze me. It's a lot like the feeling I get when I wake up in the
morning, come upstairs, walk into the kitchen, and find that my
five-year-old has filled every bowl in the house with cereal, added milk
(or orange juice, when the milk runs out), and then dumped most of the
bowls. The scale of the mess is just too... epic... to get angry about.
-m, gaping a bit
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Taisou
>First of all, what is GW up to? I understand that they are redoing
>Necromunda but how so? I heard that they are removing the figures from
>the box, but are they leaving the structures in? What will the new box
>contain? I heard an estimate of $40 for the new box, so are they going
>to sell plastic mini gangs, or will you just have to spend the $60 it
>takes to buy 2 gangs?
>Next on my questions is this: Are they redoing Man O War? I heard that
>they were.
>Finally, what are the new games that they are doing? I heard about
>Warhammer Siege, but what is that, and what else is there?
>Will Beckley
Taisou diving into the rumor pool:
Here's what I THINK about the above:
1. Necromunda rules are being hardbound (including Outlanders and
other misc rules). This will be sold seperately - i.e. no figs or
terrain.
2. MOW is going to be part of Epic: Warhammer. The WFB version of
Epic will have rules for ships that can hold the 'new' troops stands
that came out with E40K. It won't really be MOW anymore, and our old
ships will most likely be useless.
3. Warhammer Siege is a siege rule supplement for WFB.
4. What else: Well, the 'new 40K' terror is looming on the horizon :)
well I will quit making an ASS of U & ME and just wait and see what
happens!
Taisou
Ed
>In article <41BC084311DDD011B67D000000000001048903@HORUS>,
>Cust...@Games-Workshop.com says...
>>
>>Here's a sneak peak at the Necromunda info from the Newsletter:
>>
>>985760 Necromunda (Hardback book) $39.99
>>(The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
>Forty bucks, for a rulebook. Wow. I mean, WOW. I've NEVER seen a separate
>rulebook for anything go for more than, hm, twenty-five bucks or so.
For what it's worth, I don't see why one would really whine about this
price. Yes, it's a bit on the expensive side, but not by much. First
of all, it is hardback, and most hardback gaming related books go for
at least 30 bucks. So that's gonna raise the price a little bit.
However, checking Target games's website, I clearly see that Chronopia
goes for 29.95, and it's softcover. Hopping over to Dream Pod Nine's
webpage, I see that Heavy Gear and Jovian Chronicles softcover rules
are going for 30 too. And didn't I hear that the new Necro book has
the Expansion rules too?
So while it's high, I wouldn't whine about the price of the rulebook.
Whine about the bloody 40 bucks they're charging for cardboard
scenery.
- Ed
Nazdreg89
>>rulebook for anything go for more than, hm, twenty-five bucks or so.
>
>
Huh, my Rogue Trader still has the price tag on the back. $30.00. It was
purchased in 1989 as well, so allowing for inflation...
Of course, after I bought RT I had to buy Waaagh: Orks ($20), Ere We Go!!!
($25), and Freebooterz ($25). Then the Battle Manual ($20) and Vehicle Guide
($20). All in all, I figure $40 for the complete set of rules for a game is
pretty sweet deal in this day and age.
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Del Webb
Custserv <Cust...@Games-Workshop.com> wrote:
> Newcromunda Releases
> THE BOYS ARE BACK
> Many thought it would never, ever happen, but it has! The full
> collection of Necromunda rules (including the Outlanders supplement) can
> be found in one rather large hardback book appropriately titled -
> Necromunda. All the templates and counters that were found in the boxed
> game can also be found in the back section of this new Necromunda book
> (paper not card though).
I'm curious about one thing. Will the Necromunda hardback be reorganized
into a sensible format (like all equipment in one section, all the gangs in
another section, etc), including updated rules from the old Q&A's, or are
you going to just take all of the old Necro books, rip off the soft covers,
and glue them into a hard cover (in other words, more like the Blood Bowl
rerelease)?
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>
> No he is telling the truth. As a side note what was the price of the
> Necromunda box set in the states, how about the two boxes of plastic
> gangers. I have a feeling that Games workshop are charging about 1/3 more
> for this lot now that it is available signally.
This is correct. The question is....
Why would anyone be surprised by this move?
Recycle with no effort, sell at a higher price for the same items
included (less than 2 months ago) in the boxed sets.
The typical GW strategy.
Hopefully, folks won't fall for it.
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>>978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
>>Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
>>(Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
>One hundred US dollars even, for the same stuff that cost-- what was it?
>Sixty? -- in a box set.
It's actually worse than that, isn't it? I was just reading someone's
borrowed Necromunda rules last night, and it appears that the original
boxed set included 12 each of Goliaths and Orlocks, and two buildings.
Supposing for the moment that one building vs. two buildings is in the
way you build it, you still have
Rules + 4 boxes of gangers + "battlezone" = $119.96
versus boxed set + extra rule book = $85?
No offense intended, but I feel sorry for you guys...
Rob Dean
rob...@access.digex.net
Aries62
>could, I have lost $30?
I think you would spend about same amount of money. The rulebook includes all
of the information from Outlanders too. So you don't have to buy that.
And assuming your playing in a group and each person has their own gang, you
can buy any gang you want. You are not forced to buy the plastic figures in
the boxed set.
PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
the rules and then the other components.
Gargamel
<WBec...@Mindspring.com> wrote:
> So lets round prices and total. By not getting the old boxed set when I
> could, I have lost $30?
> but are basically what was in the box, and the 2 old gangs are gonna cost
> $20?
No, the two old gangs will cost $40 - You got 12 from each gang in the
original boxed set.
I'm not sure about the buildings either - Tim said that there was one was
card, and plastic building - there were 3 buildings + an air vent in the
boxed set, not just one.
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> PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
> I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
> the rules and then the other components.
A lot of people did. OTOH, a lot of people wanted to buy more stuff for less
money. Others just want a balanced game with clear rules. And a lot of other
people want that someone special to share their lives with, or a cure for
chronic halitosis. I'm skeptical of GW's ability to satisfy all of the above.
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John L. Martin
Custserv wrote in message <41BC084311DDD011B67D000000000001048903@HORUS>...
>Here's a sneak peak at the Necromunda info from the Newsletter:
>
>THE BOYS ARE BACK
>
>978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
>978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
>(Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
OK 39.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 + 39.99 equals...
(thump, body hits floor)
$99.96! Welcome to the Games Workshop hobby!!
Didn't Necro and outlanders have *at least* four good sized card buildings?
So Basically Old Necromunda $69.99 + Outlanders $34.99 was $104.98 and had
four card buildings.
New packaging scheme is $99.96 with one card building. Or hell, just add
three more buildings for a total of $219.93
All I can say is...Necromunda must be selling well,
John
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: Custserv wrote:
: > 985760 Necromunda (Hardback book) $39.99
: > (The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
: >
: > 978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
: > 978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
: > Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
: > 983407 40k Industrial Battleone $39.99
: > (Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
: So lets round prices and total. By not getting the old boxed set when I
: could, I have lost $30?
: The Battlezone is what was in the old box, the rules are slightly changed
: but are basically what was in the box, and the 2 old gangs are gonna cost
: $20? So basically you are removing the old box and seperating it so that one
: could buy the components for an additional $30. Wow, you're right
: <<Many Thought it would never, ever happen, but it has!>>
: GW has reached an all time new low in their sick pricing schemes.
Nope.
You're forgetting that the Necro boxed set had 12 gangers for each gang.
That's 24. That's 4 boxed sets for a grand total of $39.96.
And GW stuff STILL doesn't come with a tub of Vaseline!
Will Beckley
> >978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
> >(Boxed set of one plastic and card building)
>
>
> (thump, body hits floor)
>
> $99.96! Welcome to the Games Workshop hobby!!
>
> Didn't Necro and outlanders have *at least* four good sized card buildings?
>
> So Basically Old Necromunda $69.99 + Outlanders $34.99 was $104.98 and had
> four card buildings.
>
> New packaging scheme is $99.96 with one card building. Or hell, just add
> three more buildings for a total of $219.93
>
And 2 more gangs, the original had 12 gangers per gang. Grand Total of $239.91
> All I can say is...Necromunda must be selling well,
REALLY Well I'd have to guess. Maybe they should rethink this new
Pricing........
Will Beckley
sixofone
going to buy this? I could understand if they priced it at $25 or $30, but
$40? That's rather high for a hardcover gaming book of any sort. And it's
nothing more than reprinted material!
No added fluff, rules clarifications, or extra perks thrown into the deal -
just a stinkin hardcover book!
Are the folks running Games Workshop smoking crack?
Jack Hebert (sixo...@eatel.net)
Methinks its time for me to go looking for some old Rogue Trader books...
Gargamel
> PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
> I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up
> into the rules and then the other components.
Yes, but people also expected for it to be cosiderably cheaper to buy the
rules than the boxed set - the hardback is what, half the price of the boxed
set? That's not a very good return, considering that for the same price as
the hardback book (or slightly more), you should be able to expect to get
the other components in the boxed set, so if you can't afford everything at
once, you can get it a little bit at a time. Altogether it now comes to
something close to $240 (haven't worked it out, got it from another post).
That's about 3Xthe cost of the boxed set, Outlanders or no.
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Avatar
:
: could, I have lost $30?
: The Battlezone is what was in the old box, the rules are slightly changed
: but are basically what was in the box, and the 2 old gangs are gonna cost
: $20? So basically you are removing the old box and seperating it so that one
: could buy the components for an additional $30. Wow, you're right
: <<Many Thought it would never, ever happen, but it has!>>
: GW has reached an all time new low in their sick pricing schemes.
Actually you are losing about $5 for the convenience. The hardback will
include *all* the Necromunda rules including outlanders which went for
what, $35 in the states itself?? Thus bringing the initial outlay total
for both boxed sets to $95. NOw it costs $5 more to buy everything if you
*want* everything...Yet those who only want the rules can buy only the
rules...QED...
Avatar
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:
: PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
: I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
: the rules and then the other components.
As is typical once people get what they want, they find a reason to
continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
expensive than it was either....Yet people *still* bitch.....Common people
let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
asking for and now they are still getting slammed....There is just no
pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
Avatar
Trinity
>continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
>expensive than it was either....Yet people *still* bitch.....Common people
>let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
>actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
>asking for and now they are still getting slammed....There is just no
>pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
>
>Avatar
As is also typical, I hope you understand you're going to have to be labeled
after a post like this.
Tri...@calweb.com
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T 'oma
Avatar wrote:
> Aries62 (ari...@aol.com) wrote:
> :
> : PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
> : I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
> : the rules and then the other components.
>
> As is typical once people get what they want, they find a reason to
> continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
> expensive than it was either....Yet people *still* bitch.....Common people
> let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
> actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
> asking for and now they are still getting slammed....There is just no
> pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
>
> Avatar
Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I -am- going to buy the NecroMunda HB book. And I -am- going to carry it around
to all my area retailers, along with my $11.95US ShockForce rulebook for
comparison.
At this point: it's personal...
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want to use. The 12 miniatures provided for each gang were all gangers. (No heavies, leaders, juves) The
bulidings were pretty neat, but we always end up using our own terrain. The rulebooks always fall apart,
so we end up taking them in to be spiral bound. I think it's great that friends of mine that have already
created gangs will be able to get their own set of the rules without all the stuff they dont want. Only
thing I don't like is the templates and counters necessary for the game will be copied in the back of the
book. But, if the card section remained in White Dwarf they could put that stuff in there. I find it
kinda funny that the NEW fat dwarf for a dollar more has slowly reverted back to the old one with the
same new FAT dwarf price. Well, new is probably not the word I should use, but since I have been reading
White Dwarf from issue 68, it's new to me. I think that there are a lot of things in the world that cost
too much and are over priced. Dont worry about your hobby if its something your really enjoy doing. Hell,
I have seen GW prices go up and up. But, I still love to play the games and to paint the figures. I
really don't think that other companies truly compare to their product line. Have some fun with it, it's
your hobby for petes sake!
nuff said
Lis...@red-dwarf.com
MMetca
>>As is typical once people get what they want, they find a reason to
>>continue complaining...
This is typical of voulenteer organizations, one the disease/research/election
is cured/finished/won, the organization finds a new cause to perpetuate itself.
As an example take the march of dimes once polio was cured it went on to other
diseases. Also this is what GW does, once the crop of 12 - 15 year olds
mature, they seek out a new crop. Just the way of the world, it won't stop.
MM
Tal
the rule book, the scenerio book, the outlanders book and the battles in the
underhive book. Four books wrapped in hardcover seems fair. Hey, most sell
thier Nec books for about $10 a piece, so it ain't too bad. The 6 plastic
mini's for $12 and the single cardboard and plastic building is a bit
overpriced I think. But hey, it could be worse.
Tal
sixofone wrote in message <35ae4...@news.eatel.net>...
Will Beckley
> expensive than it was either....
The original boxed set sold for $69.99 (and still does if you order now)Outlanders
was $34.99. Added thats $104.98
The new rules cost $39.99, the terrain (which I have clarified as being ALL terrain
from Necro) costs $39.99, and the gangs are $9.99 apeice, needing 4 boxes to get
the 2 gangs you had. Add it up and get $119.94, and that is without the Outlanders
terrain. So no, it is more expensive, but not by as much as it once was believed to
be.
Will Beckley
D
> >As is typical once people get what they want, they find a reason to
> >continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
> >let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
> >actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
> >asking for and now they are still getting slammed....There is just no
> >pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
> >Avatar
> after a post like this.
> Tri...@calweb.com
> Self Indicted Fanboy
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> As is typical once people get what they want, they find a reason to
> continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
> expensive than it was either
Oh yes it is. Let's break it up. Necromunda was £40 ($80?). We'll say $80.
Outlanders was, as you say, $35. That's $115.
For the new stuff, it's $40 for the rules, $40 for the gangs, and $40 for
ONE building. That's five dollars more, without walkways, card templates,
dice(!), the three other buildings and the air vent, or the two plastic
range rulers. Assuming that most people have dice and range rulers, you're
still $125 worse off, if the same price is charged for the other buildings.
$240 compared to the original $115 is quite a difference. People will argue
that if you're going to sell things seperately then you need to increase the
price slightly, but a 108% increase in price is not what I'd call slight.
>....Yet people *still* bitch.....Common people
> let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
> actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
> asking for
It is along the lines of what peoplw were asking for, but it is still
expensive.
> and now they are still getting slammed....There is just no
> pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
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Heffalump
But you do not get any of thge terrain from Outlanders, do you now?
Or dice etc...
So you are effectively shelling out $5 more for less.
Tom
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This would probably be some sort of experiment by GW, "to see if loose
rulebooks sell as well as boxed sets", of course pricing the books out of the
market heavily tips the scales in favor of "Nope, didn't work, told you so..."
Someone within GW wants to prove a point...
Tom
sixofone wrote:
> $40.00 for a hardcover edition of the Necromunda Rules? Who the hell is
> going to buy this? I could understand if they priced it at $25 or $30, but
> $40? That's rather high for a hardcover gaming book of any sort. And it's
> nothing more than reprinted material!
> No added fluff, rules clarifications, or extra perks thrown into the deal -
> just a stinkin hardcover book!
>
> Are the folks running Games Workshop smoking crack?
>
> Jack Hebert (sixo...@eatel.net)
> Methinks its time for me to go looking for some old Rogue Trader books...
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Heffalump <tau...@c2i.net> wrote:
> Ah,
> But you do not get any of thge terrain from Outlanders, do you now?
> Or dice etc...
> So you are effectively shelling out $5 more for less.
>
> Tom
But the new hardback book will also have the Battles in the Underhive book
in it, another $20 or so by itself.
As I see it, the book would be better at $30, but $40 ain't too bad. I'm
just hoping they actually took some time to rearrange the content and do
some editing.
Tim and Mary
>
> Aries62 (ari...@aol.com) wrote:
> :
> : PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
> : I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
> : the rules and then the other components.
>
> continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
> let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
> actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
> pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
>
And there is just no opening the eyes for the ever-present fanboy,
either...
Do The Math, Avatar... it costs MORE to get the same items that were in
the previous edition of Necromunda.
But, just for the reading-impared, let's look at it again...
$39.99 for the BOOK
Let's say you want to play Goliaths... ok, another $9.99 for a
barely-playable gang, which is also fewer figs than what came with the
game.
So ALREADY, you're up to $50, which is closing in on the cost of the
original boxed set itself, minus ANY terrain, no dice, measuring sticks,
and you've got only a fraction of the figs that came with the original.
Of course, if I want the book and some terrain, I am already shelling
out $80, and I don't have a single figure to show for it, AND, I'm
paying MORE than what I would've paid a few weeks ago...
SO I get Outlanders in my book!!!! woohoo!!!!!! Who gives a hoot? I want
to play Goliaths.
GW knows Necromunda far surpassed their wildest dreams. They are milking
it for everything they can now, and the (uneducated) customer will be
paying for it.
If GW wanted to "do what the masses wanted", they'd have asked a
REASONABLE price for their product.
Chris Weigt
>
> > As is typical once people get what they want, they find a reason to
> > continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
>
> The original boxed set sold for $69.99 (and still does if you order now)Outlanders
> was $34.99. Added thats $104.98
> The new rules cost $39.99, the terrain (which I have clarified as being ALL terrain
> from Necro) costs $39.99, and the gangs are $9.99 apeice, needing 4 boxes to get
> the 2 gangs you had. Add it up and get $119.94, and that is without the Outlanders
> terrain. So no, it is more expensive, but not by as much as it once was believed to
> be.
>
> Will Beckley
Underhive' or whatever it's called in the hardback book, it's starting
to look quite attractive.
Chris
Custserv
contain the "Battle in the Underhive" book in it. Just the Necromunda
Rulebook, Sourcebook, and Outlanders Ruelbook. Page count comes to
around 310 pages IIRC.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tal [mailto:JY...@yahoo.com]
Posted At: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:22 PM
Posted To: warhammer
Conversation: New GW Projects?
Subject: Re: Re; New GW Projects?
It don't seem that bad. Course the price is a bit high but hey, it
contains
the rule book, the scenerio book, the outlanders book and the battles in
the
underhive book. Four books wrapped in hardcover seems fair. Hey, most
sell
thier Nec books for about $10 a piece, so it ain't too bad. The 6
plastic
mini's for $12 and the single cardboard and plastic building is a bit
overpriced I think. But hey, it could be worse.
Tal
sixofone wrote in message <35ae4...@news.eatel.net>...
Todd Olson
> Here's a sneak peak at the Necromunda info from the Newsletter:
>
> Newcromunda Releases
> THE BOYS ARE BACK
> Many thought it would never, ever happen, but it has! The full
> collection of Necromunda rules (including the Outlanders supplement) can
> be found in one rather large hardback book appropriately titled -
> Necromunda. All the templates and counters that were found in the boxed
> game can also be found in the back section of this new Necromunda book
> (paper not card though).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is hardly a suprize. Same product, more price!
Whata deal! Where can I get mine!
>
>
> The Goliaths and Orlocks that were found in the big boxed game have been
> packed into two separate small boxed sets. And, as for all the scenery,
> that has been packaged into a new boxed set (40K Industrial Battlezone -
> see below).
>
> 985760 Necromunda (Hardback book) $39.99
> (The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
>
> 978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
> 978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
> Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
6 models is not a gang! How is this a deal?<Sniveling Fanboy Mode on>
[Drops to knees to appease the GW Gods] Oh THANKYOU! THANK YOU! I am so
happy that you re-released NECRO and charged more for it! Please allow me
to clean the bottom of your boot from any dirt that may be there.
<Sniveling Sarchasm mode off>
Honestly Tim, this is price gouging beyond recognition even by GW
standards. I can't believe that there are this many stupid people in the
world that they would be willing to pay $119 for the same Necro set they
could have gotten 3 months ago for $69.99. Or is that the marketing plan?
Charge them more and people will buy the overpriced boxed Necro set instead
- much like the plastic Terminator/Space Hulk controversy we had a ways
back.
Don't listen to the consumers, but I'm (smiling evily) telling you now,
GW's days are numbered. Ral's figs get better every day (and they're
STILL cheaper) - as do their games. And they don't sell plastic models
either. All you punks will be drawing unemployment someday, and it
probably will be sooner than you think. I'm doing my part to make sure you
get there.
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Remove the NoSpam from my e-mail to reply.
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>And there is just no opening the eyes for the ever-present fanboy,
>either...
I'm not exactly a GW fanboy (haven't bought at retail for a looonnng
time), so let me try. I've responded to a post like this earlier.
>Do The Math, Avatar... it costs MORE to get the same items that were in
>the previous edition of Necromunda.
Then buy the damn box set! If this doesn't directly affect you then
stop complaining!
>But, just for the reading-impared, let's look at it again...
>$39.99 for the BOOK
(from my own post)
For what it's worth, I don't see why one would really whine about the
price of the book. Yes, it's a bit on the expensive side, but not by
much. First of all, it is hardback, and most hardback gaming related
books go for at least 30 bucks. So that's gonna raise the price a
little bit.
However, checking Target games's website, I clearly see that Chronopia
goes for 29.95, and it's softcover. Hopping over to Dream Pod Nine's
webpage, I see that Heavy Gear and Jovian Chronicles softcover rules
are going for 30 too. And didn't I hear that the new Necro book has
the Expansion rules too? Let's see, Tim said that it had about 310
pages in it, and that's about 100 pages more than many 30 buck books.
Hmmmmmmmm.
So while it's high, I wouldn't whine about the price of the rulebook.
Whine about the bloody 40 bucks they're charging for cardboard
scenery, fine. Whine about the inflated minis, fine. Don't whine about
the damn book.
- Ed
Todd Olson
> >So lets round prices and total. By not getting the old boxed set when I
> >could, I have lost $30?
>
> I think you would spend about same amount of money. The rulebook includes all
> of the information from Outlanders too. So you don't have to buy that.
> And assuming your playing in a group and each person has their own gang, you
> can buy any gang you want. You are not forced to buy the plastic figures in
> the boxed set.
> PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
> I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
> the rules and then the other components.
That was the idea ... but it was not to include RAISING THE PRICE! Why would you
spend $40.00 for the rules when you could get the whole boxed set for $60? GW
knows this and realizes that most people will say "Hey, this boxed set is a
better deal - I should just get it instead." So instead, its really a method to
get people to buy the old NEC boxed set (assuming its available). Besides, GW
will still make a killing on the rules. Screw 'em - photocopy everything you
can.
Nazdreg89
it was too expensive but the book looks just right. Who cares if you don't get
the terrain? I just want the rules so I know what's going on when I go to
someone's place to play.
Maybe ya'll don't remember, but GW used to screw us a lot worse than this.
Anyone remember Lost and the Damned and Slaves to Darkness? Hello? Dividing
Chaos rules into 2 seperate books and having you buy both? What about orks? Ere
We Go!!! and Freebooterz? Putting 3 ork clans in each book, forcing you to buy
both?
I don't know about ya'll, but I spent a helluva lot more on rules back in the
"good old days" than I do now (freakin' Battle Manual and Vehicle Manual).
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Trinity
>either...
And just no pleasing the ever-present whineboys either, huh Tim?
Trinity
>That was the idea ... but it was not to include RAISING THE PRICE! Why
would you
>spend $40.00 for the rules when you could get the whole boxed set for $60?
What part was tough? The hardback will include all of the printed material
on Necromunda-- it's not the same as the rule set included in the boxed
game. It's different. It has more. Please, pay attention.
>Besides, GW will still make a killing on the rules. Screw 'em - photocopy
everything you can.
A brief explanation for whineboys: GW does not get the entire $40. Retailers
probably pay about $22 (45% GW discount) for the book, and distributors
typically charge 8-12% (of the $22.) That would leave GW about $19 (U.S.)
for the product before they pay shipping, printing & layout, and a myriad of
other expenses. These numbers are easy to grasp, yet you fools are thinking
they should charge $25 for the product. Wake up and learn instead of just
spewing your venom-- It's getting annoying, as in your inability to
understand business.
>GW knows this and realizes that most people will say "Hey, this boxed set
is a
>better deal - I should just get it instead." So instead, its really a
method to
>get people to buy the old NEC boxed set (assuming its available).
Logic like this is difficult to counter.
Tri...@calweb.com
Self indicted Fanboy, but at least it makes sense for me to be here.
Trinity
>Then buy the damn box set! If this doesn't directly affect you then stop
complaining!
They can't. They're addicts.
Trinity
it a whack.
[Sniveling Whineboy Dumbfuck mode on]
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[ ]
Nope, just couldn't do it.
Congratulations.
Avatar
:
: As is also typical, I hope you understand you're going to have to be labeled
: after a post like this.
Label away, because ultaimtely I don't really care about labels
anyway.....I call it like I see it and this is clearly a case of people
getting what they've been bitching for only to turn around and bitch about
the fact that they are getting it...Plain and simple...
Avatar
Avatar
:
: And there is just no opening the eyes for the ever-present fanboy,
: either...
Considering how little I've spent on GW products in the last 2 years that
is a laughable label.
: Do The Math, Avatar... it costs MORE to get the same items that were in
: the previous edition of Necromunda.
Sorry, but I consider it a plus that all of the rules have been combined
into a single volume instead of having 3 separate books in 2 differetn
boxed sets, but then again I'm just silly that way...God forbid GW should
do something like this we all *like* to buy separate supplments to get new
rules...NOT!
: But, just for the reading-impared, let's look at it again...
For the math impaired it is a whole $15 more expensive to buy the whole of
the necromunda rules, terrain and enough minis to match what was
originally in the box, but have the convenience to buy them or *not* buy
them if you so choose.
: Of course, if I want the book and some terrain, I am already shelling
: out $80, and I don't have a single figure to show for it, AND, I'm
: paying MORE than what I would've paid a few weeks ago...
:
: SO I get Outlanders in my book!!!! woohoo!!!!!! Who gives a hoot? I want
: to play Goliaths.
:
Good for you...that doesn't mean every other person out their wants to
play goliaths...Its funny, because I know plenty of people who played only
goliaths who bought the original boxed set for $69.99 and Outlanders for
$34.99 and then also bought a boxed set of a Goliath gang because they
thought the plastic minis sucked and so on.
You just keep going on and *proving* my point. Now that people have the
option to buy separately they are bitching. Its that simple, Tim. *That8
is exactly my point. Its funny that you should label me a fanboy,
considering I actually said absolutely nothing about GW in my post, merely
that people got *what they bloody well asked for* and now are still
bitching about something else instead. Your little rant does not cahnge
that fact, and proves my point all the more...
: GW knows Necromunda far surpassed their wildest dreams. They are milking
: it for everything they can now, and the (uneducated) customer will be
: paying for it.
:
And how exactly will they be paying for it so horribly?? They'll buy the
game and some minis and play and probably have fun, regardless of your
bitching about it. Many of those people would have bought the whole thing
anyway, so what is the problem?? I wish that this had been the way it was
originally released. I would have spent $40 for the rules and not had to
buy the plastic minis or the buildings or anything. But wait, no that
mode of thought doesn't matter in your little world....
Avatar
Avatar
: Honestly Tim, this is price gouging beyond recognition even by GW
: standards. I can't believe that there are this many stupid people in the
: world that they would be willing to pay $119 for the same Necro set they
: could have gotten 3 months ago for $69.99. Or is that the marketing plan?
: Charge them more and people will buy the overpriced boxed Necro set instead
: - much like the plastic Terminator/Space Hulk controversy we had a ways
: back.
Actually its $119 for what would have previously cost $105. Outlanders is
included in the rules and the scenary pack. So if yer gonna scream,
scream about the right thing...
: Don't listen to the consumers, but I'm (smiling evily) telling you now,
: GW's days are numbered. Ral's figs get better every day (and they're
: STILL cheaper) - as do their games. And they don't sell plastic models
: either. All you punks will be drawing unemployment someday, and it
: probably will be sooner than you think. I'm doing my part to make sure you
: get there.
:
Funny, but I distinctly recall requests for this type of thing from,
*gasp* the consumers...I'd like to see this succeed so that the ability to
buy the rules without the other garbage becomes a possiblity again....
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UberNewt
can make my own terrain and it will probably be sturdier than the card stuff C)$40
compared to $95 is great considering all I needed was the rules. I will however
only be buying it for a discount, either from my local gaming store at %20 or I'll
just wait and order it from the Traveling Mage for around less than $30, which
isn't that bad a price for a gaming book.
UberNewt
Custserv
box, sorry. It does come with all the buildings, walkways, bulkheads,
etc. from Necromunda for the terrain construction. It doesn't include
the buildings from Outlanders though. The box is the same size as the
new Blood Bowl box, to give a feel for the size.
Doug Burton
the items seperatly, which, in my book, is a good thing....but they ARE
bitching that GW decides to charge $40 for the book. Why not $34.99 or
$29.99. This would have fallen more in line with what the item SHOULD
cost. Hey, I like the idea of beingt able to pick up another copy of the
rulebooks all bound into one package, but if we look at comparable product
from other game companies, you'll find that it is a rarity to charge that
much for it. That being said, though, with the 35%-40% off online stores
it brings it down to a more manageable $25 per copy. It does irritate ME
that I simply can't afford to support my local game store because of the
price of the item. If I find an item that is somewhat affordable from GW,
I'll buy it locally, but this seems to be a rare occurance (the plastic
boxed sets are the rare occurances that I can afford to buy. I'd love to
see the fantasy battle rulebooks being introduced in one volume...but not
for $39.99....more like $29.99 or $34.99. Same goes for 40K and just about
any of the other game systems they have. It's probably not too widely
known that GW considered pricing the boxes of plastics at $24.99
each...this is even when the Chaos warriors came out "mismarked" at $17.99.
They very wisely decided to keep the price at $19.99...and now we have a
much more affordable product. I very much doubt that GW has a marketing
department that looks into consumer feedback on what items should be
priced...because their pricing seems to have no rhyme or reason. I think
THIS is what all the bitching boils down to.
Doug
> You just keep going on and *proving* my point. Now that people have the
> option to buy separately they are bitching. Its that simple, Tim. *That8
> is exactly my point. Its funny that you should label me a fanboy,
> considering I actually said absolutely nothing about GW in my post, merely
> that people got *what they bloody well asked for* and now are still
> bitching about something else instead. Your little rant does not cahnge
> that fact, and proves my point all the more...
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Del Webb
Custserv <Cust...@Games-Workshop.com> wrote:
> I wish I could say it does, but the Necromunda big hardback does _not_
> contain the "Battle in the Underhive" book in it. Just the Necromunda
> Rulebook, Sourcebook, and Outlanders Ruelbook. Page count comes to
> around 310 pages IIRC.
Okay, I think that was my bad for saying the Underhive book was included in
the new hardcover. Sorry for spreading false information.
Anyway, Tim, I was wondering if the hardback book has had any editing done;
has the material in the three books been rearranged into a logical order
(like putting all of the equipment lists in one place, all of the skill
lists on the same page, etc)? Or will this resemble the Blood Bowl
rerelease, with everything put out as it was, just bound in one big cover?
I asked this once before, but it may have gotten lost in the tangle. I
know I could just e-mail the question so make sure you see it, but I think
others around here would appreciate the information, too.
Thomas Whitten
in a hard cover format. Great, love that. Then I can spend 25 on getting a metal
gang that I like. Cool, can't complain there. My friends have the boxed editions so
I already have opponents and terrain. (I'd rather make my terrain though.) So it
all works out fine for me.
t.w.
Gargamel
> What part was tough? The hardback will include all of the printed material
> on Necromunda-- it's not the same as the rule set included in the boxed
> game. It's different. It has more. Please, pay attention.
No it won't!!!!! All it has is the Rulebook, sourcebook, and Outlanders
rules!!!! None of the articles in WD, or the Battles in the Underhive will
be in it!!!!! You tell US to pay attention????
Gargamel
> Actually its $119 for what would have previously cost $105. Outlanders is
> included in the rules and the scenary pack. So if yer gonna scream,
> scream about the right thing...
From what I've seen, only ONE building is included in the scenery pack, not
the FOUR (assuming there's only one in Outlanders) you would get if you
bought the boxed sets. See the main thread for my breakdown of the costs.
--
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brendan
> cost. Hey, I like the idea of beingt able to pick up another copy of the
> rulebooks all bound into one package, but if we look at comparable product
> from other game companies, you'll find that it is a rarity to charge that
> much for it.
i was under the impression that the $40 book is going to be hardcover.
not that this vindicates the price, but it goes towards explaining it.
comparable products at waldenbook (thick, hardcover book with color
plates)run in that range. and gw still won't screw you as hard as psu's
student book store...
Avatar
: Who down here....people AREN'T bitching because they have the choice to buy
: the items seperatly, which, in my book, is a good thing....but they ARE
: bitching that GW decides to charge $40 for the book. Why not $34.99 or
: $29.99. This would have fallen more in line with what the item SHOULD
: cost.
Back when rogue Trader and 3rd Edition Warhammer were still available the
hard back rulebooks had a final price of $34.99. How many years ago was
that?? Quite a few, and now people are complaining about another hardback
book along the same lines, that all these years later costs a whole $5
more than those books did?? Why were those books so great and wonderful
as people seem to claim every other day, but now Necromunda at $39.99 is a
total rip-off. I have been in this hobby for a long time, and while I am
displeased to see the prices going hgiher and higher, this rule book is
one thing that is actually within the same ballpark of the earlier
products that are touted as the example that GW should go back to.
Hey, I like the idea of beingt able to pick up another copy of the
: rulebooks all bound into one package, but if we look at comparable product
: from other game companies, you'll find that it is a rarity to charge that
: much for it.
Is that so?? Chronopia costs what?? $30 for just the rules and stuff. A
big $10 difference...Plenty of RPGs also charge about $30 or so for their
pretty little hardback books of rules. $39.99, is not totally out of
orbit by a long shot. Sure other games like Fantasy Rules cost next ot
nothing, but what do you get?? A packet of rules with a plastic holder
that is not even bound. Hardly comparable. I look at the Necromunda
hardback and thnk of the Rogue Trader rulebook that I bought many years
ago or look at the 3rd edition Warhammer hardback that I bought, with the
price adjusted given the time its been since those books were available.
I just find it amusing that now that people have what they wanted, they
are complaining that the too high price for a Necromunda Boxed set and an
Outlanders boxed set was more reasonable. I find that to be the funniest
thing I've read in a long time on this newsgroup
Back in what are considered the perfect days you *always* had to buy the
rules seperately and then go out and buy all the minis and any terrain you
wanted had to be purchased or made. How is this really any different??
Its not.
: That being said, though, with the 35%-40% off online stores
: it brings it down to a more manageable $25 per copy.
This is certainly a wise choice. The only 3 things I've bought from GW in
the past couple years I got at 40% off or so....
: It does irritate ME
: that I simply can't afford to support my local game store because of the
: price of the item. If I find an item that is somewhat affordable from GW,
: I'll buy it locally, but this seems to be a rare occurance (the plastic
: boxed sets are the rare occurances that I can afford to buy.
I can't really argue this point...I did buy Gorka Morka months ago at my
local store who had put it on sale for 40% off, so I was able to give them
my bucks....
: I'd love to
: see the fantasy battle rulebooks being introduced in one volume...but not
: for $39.99....more like $29.99 or $34.99.
It is interesting that $34.99 seems to be an OK figure for you, but not
$39.99. IMO, if they ever turn around and reprint the book in softcover
it *better* be close to $30, unless its 10 years down the road and then I
could see $35 or so...
Same goes for 40K and just about
: any of the other game systems they have. It's probably not too widely
: known that GW considered pricing the boxes of plastics at $24.99
: each...this is even when the Chaos warriors came out "mismarked" at $17.99.
: They very wisely decided to keep the price at $19.99...and now we have a
: much more affordable product. I very much doubt that GW has a marketing
: department that looks into consumer feedback on what items should be
: priced...because their pricing seems to have no rhyme or reason. I think
: THIS is what all the bitching boils down to.
I will certainly agree that their pricing policies seem really out there.
I see abaolsutely nothing wrong with the price of the book for $39.99. I
*do* have a problem with putting some cardboard in a box with a couple
pieces of plastic and charging $39.99 for it, though. So many people seem
to be harping on the $39.99 price tag for the rules, though. I just don't
understand it, because when I look at my 3rd edition Warhammer book (and
wonder where my Rogue Trader hardback disappeared to...) the price just
feels right to me. Of course, in either case I will not buy any of it
since I've already got it all...It just seems that in light of the costs
of the old hardbacks, that the complaints about the costs of the rules are
a little off base in my opinion....
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Kirk Macdonald
>
> :
> : Honestly Tim, this is price gouging beyond recognition even by GW
> : standards. I can't believe that there are this many stupid people in the
> : world that they would be willing to pay $119 for the same Necro set they
> : could have gotten 3 months ago for $69.99. Or is that the marketing plan?
> : Charge them more and people will buy the overpriced boxed Necro set instead
> : - much like the plastic Terminator/Space Hulk controversy we had a ways
> : back.
>
> included in the rules and the scenary pack. So if yer gonna scream,
> scream about the right thing...
>
> : GW's days are numbered. Ral's figs get better every day (and they're
> : STILL cheaper) - as do their games. And they don't sell plastic models
> : either. All you punks will be drawing unemployment someday, and it
> : probably will be sooner than you think. I'm doing my part to make sure you
> : get there.
> :
> Funny, but I distinctly recall requests for this type of thing from,
> *gasp* the consumers...I'd like to see this succeed so that the ability to
> buy the rules without the other garbage becomes a possiblity again....
>
> Avatar
I agree with you, Avatar. It's only a rip if you're trying to duplicate
the contents of the boxed games. Who wants to to that? Seems to me that
the rule book is a boon to those that already have a Delaque or Escher
or Cawdor gang and don't want to always borrow their buddy's rule books.
Who really wants to get 12 plastics Goliaths? Six might be handy for
rounding out a metal leader, some heavies and some juves.
The only problem with the "full set of rules" book is the fact that it's
the same edition as the rules in the boxed set. I think most gamers want
this same concept to be used by GW when the next edition of WH40K comes
out. This will be the test of GW's goodwill.
--
Kirk "Gimme Danger" Macdonald
Reply to : hag...@NOCHEESEgte.net - Remove NOCHEESE from my address to
reply
These are my own opinions and do not reflect those of The Boeing Co.
Evil Homer
at an international level by blurting out...
> Aries62 (ari...@aol.com) wrote:
> :
> : PS: This isn't a flame but an honest question.
> : I thought this is what a lot of people wanted? Break the boxed games up into
> : the rules and then the other components.
>
> continue complaining...You've got to love it....Its not even anymore
> let's take a look at this form a *fresh* perpsective shall we?? GW is
> actually doing something that is along the lines of what people have been
> asking for and now they are still getting slammed....There is just no
> pleasing a bunch of cynical and disinterested complainers, I guess...
>
> Avatar
>
it's a great move on their part. My bitch was the absurd price they've
placed on the cardstock scenery set. Plastic bulkheads or not, $40 is so
patently, utterly absurd that you really have to pause and wonder:
Who thought this was a valid price point?
Who's going to fork over the bucks for it? Buy a hot wire cutter and a
4X8 piece of foamboard and build an entire underhive for less.
Sometimes I honestly think that GW's goal is to price themselves right
out of the market.
--
Evil Homer, cheapskate.
Dares to present alternate opinions to yours. Because, face it, you're
wrong.
Evil Homer
> But you do not get any of thge terrain from Outlanders, do you now?
> Or dice etc...
> So you are effectively shelling out $5 more for less.
>
> Tom
>
> Avatar wrote:
>
> > Will Beckley (WBec...@Mindspring.com) wrote:
> > :
> > : So lets round prices and total. By not getting the old boxed set when I
> > : could, I have lost $30?
> > : but are basically what was in the box, and the 2 old gangs are gonna cost
> > : $20? So basically you are removing the old box and seperating it so that one
> > : could buy the components for an additional $30. Wow, you're right
> > : <<Many Thought it would never, ever happen, but it has!>>
> > : GW has reached an all time new low in their sick pricing schemes.
> > :
> > Actually you are losing about $5 for the convenience. The hardback will
> > include *all* the Necromunda rules including outlanders which went for
> > what, $35 in the states itself?? Thus bringing the initial outlay total
> > for both boxed sets to $95. NOw it costs $5 more to buy everything if you
> > *want* everything...Yet those who only want the rules can buy only the
> > rules...QED...
> >
> > Avatar
>
>
>
> --
> Tom the Heffalump
I got red plastic range rulers for sale. $10 each. Rumored to be going
out of print.
--
Evil Homer, "stop me and buy one!"
Jerry the Slightly Mad
<a bunch of bitchy fanboy stuff snipped>
>A brief explanation for whineboys: GW does not get the entire $40.
They do if you buy mail order or at a Gouge Workshop Store.
> Retailers
>probably pay about $22 (45% GW discount) for the book, and distributors
>typically charge 8-12% (of the $22.) That would leave GW about $19 (U.S.)
How come other game makers can make books JUST as nice as Gouge Workshops
and theirs are only $19.99 retail?
>for the product before they pay shipping, printing & layout, and a myriad
of
>other expenses. These numbers are easy to grasp, yet you fools are thinking
>they should charge $25 for the product. Wake up and learn instead of just
>spewing your venom-- It's getting annoying, as in your inability to
>understand business.
Talk about lack of business sense...$19 is NOT their cost. It's what they
are charging retailers. There's still a substansial profit in that $19 or
they wouldn't sell it to distributors at that price.
On the whole what you say is true (if not a little diluted)..and the whole
reason they are TRYING...yes I said TRYING... to drive retailers away from
their products. See...if fanboys, like yourself, buy from mail order (OR a
Gouge Workshop store), they get to make even more of a profit. I really
foresee a day when Gouge Workshop will be the only place you can buy Gouge
Workshop products. This is kind of like....Ford Motor Company...having a
"Ford" store and competing with all the car dealers that sold their product
directly. Not that it matters...their new games are shit and all the new
minis are becoming plastic. (I really can't believe they get people to BUY
plastic...) For those less informed Pre-1998 retailers got a 53% discount
with a $200 minimum order...I / We quit selling their stuff because it is
now (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) 35% discount and a $600
minimum order AND minimum quantities. If they fucked up your order...guess
what...your were stuck with it. They even tried to tell us HOW to sell our
items and HOW to display them....and if we didn't...perhaps they wouldn't
sell them to us anymore. Now we didn't sell a lot ... around $5,000 a year
(at cost) ..now...let me check the sheets..hmmm...now they get $0 a year.
For a company with such a great sales strategy, they're pretty stupid. We
weren't the only ones. There are fewer and fewer buying their stuff.
THAT smart boy...is why the prices keep going up. They must keep up revenue
or the stock holders get nervous...and unhappy, which leads to "heads a
rolling". They've dug a grave and will soon follow TSR into oblivion, or at
least into new shareholders. It's obvious that you have little
understanding of business either and as for spewing venom...when appropriate
"spew forth thou foul spittle". Bottom line is...they don't care about good
games, customer relations, retailer relations, or a qualtiy product...they
just want you to buy minis...lots of minis. If redesigning them makes you
buy them again...so be it.
>Tri...@calweb.com
>Self indicted Fanboy, but at least it makes sense for me to be here.
For your info "fanboy", most of us "sour grapes" are here to buy and sell
minis. We refuse to give another dollar to Gouge Workshop. I look for
WFB minis because I play the 3rd Edition Rules, which was by far (besides
WFRP) the best product they've ever produced. Now many of the "other" mini
companies have wised up and are giving great quality at a great price.
See...little fanboys sometimes get uninterested after a few years and sell
their stuff cheap...then we snarf it up. I buy second hand and Gouge
Workshop gets zero from me. Easy enough for you? Now go lick Tim's hairy
white ass and if you don't like people bitching...don't read their posts.
They have as much right to bitch as you do to suck up.
--
Jerry the Slightly Mad...(Former partner of Blackwind & Raddix
Gaming..[great job..it just didn't feed the family])
CWAR Cable War Television "Nothing but War,LIVE 24 hours a day."
(voice of James Earl Jones)
"This.....is CWAR"
Trinity
>
>From what I've seen, only ONE building is included in the scenery pack, not
>the FOUR (assuming there's only one in Outlanders) you would get if you
>bought the boxed sets. See the main thread for my breakdown of the costs.
>
That's just it, you haven't seen anything and you're already griping. Those
of us that wish the rules could be purchased separately from the boxed set,
and have asked for this repeatedly, wish you'd relax and see what
materializes. If GW had originally released everything individually at the
quoted prices, then released a boxed set at a discount from those prices,
all the people bitching would think it was the greatest idea yet. But that
would make it difficult for you to lurk around the group waiting for
something to cry about.
You're tainted. You're annoying. You're whineboys and you're outnumbered.
Tri...@calweb.com
Boycott people that copy other people's signatures.
Trinity
>and theirs are only $19.99 retail?
Show me a 300 plus page hardcover for $19.99, smartass. Then show me that
company still in business after a few years.
>Talk about lack of business sense...$19 is NOT their cost. It's what they
>are charging retailers. There's still a substansial profit in that $19 or
>they wouldn't sell it to distributors at that price.
Of course there's profit in there moron. I never said there wasn't, just
that there's more expenses and less profit than some of you fools think.
>For a company with such a great sales strategy, they're pretty stupid.
You're the one with the stupid sales strategy-- you have to be a dumbfuck to
only sell $5000 worth of GW in a year-- that's only $275 a week at retail.
That's why you're stuck here looking for deals, 'cause you didn't know what
the fuck you were doing and needed to blame GW for your "didn't feed the
family" business failure.
>For your info "fanboy", most of us "sour grapes" are here to buy and sell
>minis. We refuse to give another dollar to Gouge Workshop.
As long as you are buying figures made by GW, you're creating a market for
them-- don't fool yourself.
And all the rest of that "When I was a retailer, you're a fanboy" bullshit
you spewed is just what I'm talking about. Before you tell me about being a
fanboy and not knowing business. My business feeds my family and about 85
others. So I'll read your posts and continue to let you know when you're
stupid. And as for Tim's "hairy white ass," how would you know you whiny old
fuck?
Muad'Dib
>> Funny, but I distinctly recall requests for this type of thing from,
>> *gasp* the consumers...I'd like to see this succeed so that the ability to
>> buy the rules without the other garbage becomes a possiblity again....
>>
>> Avatar
>I agree with you, Avatar. It's only a rip if you're trying to duplicate
>the contents of the boxed games. Who wants to to that? Seems to me that
>the rule book is a boon to those that already have a Delaque or Escher
>or Cawdor gang and don't want to always borrow their buddy's rule books.
>Who really wants to get 12 plastics Goliaths? Six might be handy for
>rounding out a metal leader, some heavies and some juves.
I have to agree also. I have a Escher gang still in the box that I
picked up really cheap, but I had no desire to buy the boxed set and
get a whole bunch of figures I have no use for. (And selling plastic
Necromunda figures isn't as easy as hocking plastic Space Marines or
Bretonnians.) Now that I can get the rules separately...hmm, I may
have to give Necromunda a try.
>The only problem with the "full set of rules" book is the fact that it's
>the same edition as the rules in the boxed set. I think most gamers want
>this same concept to be used by GW when the next edition of WH40K comes
>out. This will be the test of GW's goodwill.
And if people keep it up, the chances of GW releasing 40K as a
separate rulebook will dwindle to zero.
Muad'Dib
P.S. Wasn't the hardbacked RT $30 ten years ago? Just how cheap did
people think the Necromunda hardback was going to be?
Muad'Dib
>Tri...@calweb.com
>Self indicted Fanboy, but at least it makes sense for me to be here.
(LOL)
That's the best sig I've seen on here for at least a year!
Muad'Dib
Evil Homer
> GW's days are numbered. Ral's figs get better every day (and they're
> STILL cheaper) - as do their games. And they don't sell plastic models
> either. All you punks will be drawing unemployment someday, and it
> probably will be sooner than you think. I'm doing my part to make sure you
> get there.
>
Jeezus, Todd. You're making ME cringe!
Nice job. Keep it up.
--
Evil Homer, admires a good, venomous post.
Evil Homer
> student book store...
>
>
NOBODY can screw you like the college text book biz. Buy the book for an
ungodly amount, use it for one semester, find that a minor typo was found
and replaced necessitating a new edition and making yours impossible to
sell back.
Repeat for infinity.
--
Evil Homer, proofreads college text books for a living. Sweartagod.
Evil Homer
>
They do if you order it mail order. Or buy it at a GW store.
--
Evil Homer, whineboy (tm).
Evil Homer
>
> <a bunch of bitchy fanboy stuff snipped>
>
>
>
Crap, Jerry. I just posted this same thing, almost word-for-word.
Sorry for the message overlap kiddies.
--
Evil Homer, agrees with Jerry?! Frightening shit's been happening in this
group lately.
Evil Homer
> stupid. And as for Tim's "hairy white ass," how would you know you whiny old
> fuck?
>
I now officially crown you....
<drumroll please>
Evil Trinity!
Welcome aboard. Meetings are Monday nights at 8.
--
Evil Homer, being put to shame by the venom levels around this thread.
Jerry the Slightly Mad
>>
>> <a bunch of bitchy fanboy stuff snipped>
>>
>> >A brief explanation for whineboys: GW does not get the entire $40.
>>
>> They do if you buy mail order or at a Gouge Workshop Store.
>>
>
>Crap, Jerry. I just posted this same thing, almost word-for-word.
>
>Sorry for the message overlap kiddies.
>
>--
>Evil Homer, agrees with Jerry?! Frightening shit's been happening in this
>group lately.
Oooohhh..That IS scary!!
--
Jerry the Slightly Mad...
Will Beckley
> Underhive' or whatever it's called in the hardback book, it's starting
> to look quite attractive.
> Chris
I was about to agree with you until it was pointed out by Tim that it does not include
that book. Oh well. I'm still swingin both ways on this book.
Will Beckley
Sylphae & Neuros
their games? and your saying to boycott gw?
one moment......(scratching head)
get priorities straighteither play the dumb game or sell your gw stuff
including games..dont want to be a hippocrit...and stop bothering the gw
based fans and sites
thank you
Neuros
syl...@msn.com
Todd Olson wrote in message <35AF24F8...@wvu.edu>...
>Custserv wrote:
>
>> Here's a sneak peak at the Necromunda info from the Newsletter:
>>
>> Newcromunda Releases
>> THE BOYS ARE BACK
>> Many thought it would never, ever happen, but it has! The full
>> collection of Necromunda rules (including the Outlanders supplement) can
>> be found in one rather large hardback book appropriately titled -
>> Necromunda. All the templates and counters that were found in the boxed
>> game can also be found in the back section of this new Necromunda book
>> (paper not card though).
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is hardly a suprize. Same product, more price!
>Whata deal! Where can I get mine!
>
>>
>>
>> The Goliaths and Orlocks that were found in the big boxed game have been
>> packed into two separate small boxed sets. And, as for all the scenery,
>> that has been packaged into a new boxed set (40K Industrial Battlezone -
>> see below).
>>
>> 985760 Necromunda (Hardback book) $39.99
>> (The big book of Necromunda) Contains all the rules!
>>
>> 978410 Goliath Gang $9.99
>> 978458 Orlock Gang $9.99
>> Both are boxed set of six plastic models - a great starter gang!
>
>6 models is not a gang! How is this a deal?<Sniveling Fanboy Mode on>
>[Drops to knees to appease the GW Gods] Oh THANKYOU! THANK YOU! I am so
>happy that you re-released NECRO and charged more for it! Please allow me
>to clean the bottom of your boot from any dirt that may be there.
><Sniveling Sarchasm mode off>
>
>Honestly Tim, this is price gouging beyond recognition even by GW
>standards. I can't believe that there are this many stupid people in the
>world that they would be willing to pay $119 for the same Necro set they
>could have gotten 3 months ago for $69.99. Or is that the marketing plan?
>Charge them more and people will buy the overpriced boxed Necro set instead
>- much like the plastic Terminator/Space Hulk controversy we had a ways
>back.
>
>Don't listen to the consumers, but I'm (smiling evily) telling you now,
>GW's days are numbered. Ral's figs get better every day (and they're
>STILL cheaper) - as do their games. And they don't sell plastic models
>either. All you punks will be drawing unemployment someday, and it
>probably will be sooner than you think. I'm doing my part to make sure you
>get there.
>
>
>--
>BOYCOTT GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS!!!!! - Bob Yeager
>
>If you think gravity is a theory, drop a hammer on your head.
>
>Remove the NoSpam from my e-mail to reply.
>
>
UberNewt
concerned over the quality of public education in the United States.While it's
one thing to adhere religiously to the elements of style and another to post to
newsgroups, it wouldn't hurt to be just a bit more clear while communicating.
The point of posting is, after all, to get a message across to people.
UberNewt - still laughing about the 'hippocrit' part, sorry
Trinity
> Far be it from me to be a grammar cop but recently I've become more and
more
>concerned over the quality of public education in the United States.While
it's
>one thing to adhere religiously to the elements of style and another to
post to
>newsgroups, it wouldn't hurt to be just a bit more clear while
communicating.
>The point of posting is, after all, to get a message across to people.
>
>UberNewt - still laughing about the 'hippocrit' part, sorry
While you are correct about the quality of some recent posts, I don't think
that post was from someone who was educated in the States. I think that post
might have been from someone posting in a foreign language (English,) which
would make it a lot better than some we see on here.
Trinity
>
><drumroll please>
>
>Evil Trinity!
>
>Welcome aboard. Meetings are Monday nights at 8.
>--
>Evil Homer, being put to shame by the venom levels around this thread.
>Dares to present alternate opinions to yours. Because, face it, you're
>wrong.
Finally.
Will Beckley
Thanks,
Will Beckley, who may not mind this new change at all: He can get almost all of the
old terrain and whatever gangs he wants, in metal, plus hardback rules for LESS
then he could have originally.
Doug Burton wrote:
> Who down here....people AREN'T bitching because they have the choice to buy
> the items seperatly, which, in my book, is a good thing....but they ARE
> bitching that GW decides to charge $40 for the book. Why not $34.99 or
> $29.99. This would have fallen more in line with what the item SHOULD
> cost. Hey, I like the idea of beingt able to pick up another copy of the
> rulebooks all bound into one package, but if we look at comparable product
> from other game companies, you'll find that it is a rarity to charge that
> much for it. That being said, though, with the 35%-40% off online stores
> it brings it down to a more manageable $25 per copy. It does irritate ME
> that I simply can't afford to support my local game store because of the
> price of the item. If I find an item that is somewhat affordable from GW,
> I'll buy it locally, but this seems to be a rare occurance (the plastic
> boxed sets are the rare occurances that I can afford to buy. I'd love to
> see the fantasy battle rulebooks being introduced in one volume...but not
> for $39.99....more like $29.99 or $34.99. Same goes for 40K and just about
> any of the other game systems they have. It's probably not too widely
> known that GW considered pricing the boxes of plastics at $24.99
> each...this is even when the Chaos warriors came out "mismarked" at $17.99.
> They very wisely decided to keep the price at $19.99...and now we have a
> much more affordable product. I very much doubt that GW has a marketing
> department that looks into consumer feedback on what items should be
> priced...because their pricing seems to have no rhyme or reason. I think
> THIS is what all the bitching boils down to.
> Doug
Will Beckley
Products were on their way, and what was happening to the Necromunda line.
Throughout the thread, a bunch of debating has been going on, which isn't a bad
thing. However, alot of misinformation has been spread, and thats something I
just can't take. This message is a clarification that might settle some of the
arguments.
In the United States, the Necromunda Boxed Set costs $70. It contains 2 plastic
gangs each of 12 gangers, the games rules, a book on modeling your own terrain,
and a large, multiple building complex to fight in. The Outlanders box in the
United States costs $35. It contained additional rules and terrain. Combined we
get a total cost of $105.
The new pricing scheme goes as follows: The new, Hardbound Rulebook costs $40.
It contains all previous rulebooks, but not the modelling book. It also does
NOT contain Battles in the Underhive. It does, however contain rules
clarifications, and, hopefully, is organized in a much better fashion then
previous releases.
All of the terrain, thats right, ALL of it from the original Necromunda Boxed
Set is in a new package for $40. The Outlanders terrain may be released
individually on its own, but is not included in this box.
New boxes of plastic gangs of 6 figures are going to be sold for $10. These
will only be available in the form of the 2 gangs that were originally in the
Necromunda box, and all other gangs must be bought either in Gang boxes or in
blisters.
To compare, The old way cost you $105.
The new way comes to $120. What you still lack is measuring sticks, dice, and
Outlanders Terrain. So really, the new way is $15 more and the only real thing
missing is the Outlanders terrain. Now I'd love having the OL terrain too, but
its not in there. Argue and quibble all you want, but $15 and no Outlanders
Terrain are the only valid points to be found. Also, assuming that the book is
sturdy Hardcover and is reorganized, the $15 difference really isn't too much
to ask... I'd pay $15 for a hardcover, organized book.
Hopefully this ends some of the pointless debating and misinformation spreading
that has occurred.
Best Wishes,
Will Beckley, who would love to be emailed the web address of a 40% off online
store that carries Necromunda stuff.
Gargamel
<sb...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> For the new stuff, it's $40 for the rules, $40 for the gangs, and $40 for
> ONE building. That's five dollars more, without walkways, card templates,
> dice(!), the three other buildings and the air vent, or the two plastic
> range rulers. Assuming that most people have dice and range rulers, you're
> still $125 worse off, if the same price is charged for the other
> buildings.
> $240 compared to the original $115 is quite a difference. People will
> argue
> that if you're going to sell things seperately then you need to increase
> the
> price slightly, but a 108% increase in price is not what I'd call slight.
Following Tim's clarification of the Industrial Battlezone Boxed Set, I now
know this to be wrong. It now costs approx $15 dollars more with one less
building, no dice, rulers, card templates, etc.
Also, some people seem to think that things have been added in addition to
the rulebook, sourcebook, and outlanders. This is not true.
Chris Weigt
>
> In article <35AFAE...@mail.psu.edu>, brm...@mail.psu.edu embarrassed
> himself at an international level by blurting out...
> > student book store...
> >
> >
>
> NOBODY can screw you like the college text book biz. Buy the book for an
> ungodly amount, use it for one semester, find that a minor typo was found
> and replaced necessitating a new edition and making yours impossible to
> sell back.
> Repeat for infinity.
after first year. Change the curriculum on _me_ will they? BOYCOTT
UNIVERSITY TEXTBOOKS! *g*
Chris
WJP
I've got to back avatar. I love Necromundas..but all I own is my
gang. I always wanted the rules, but I play Cawdor. I don't need the
extra gangs, I have enough scenery of my own. All I wanted was rules.
Now I can get exactly what I want. I'm no fanboy, I've railed and
snarled and grouched my fair share, but Kudos to GW. Too bad their
bad reputation and prior customer abuse has tarnished them to the
point any action they do will be viewed with suspicion and disgust.
They have to pay a proce for their blood sucking ways, and this is
just the start.
Chris Weigt
Chris
Del Webb
Evil Homer <ho...@mrplow.com> wrote:
>
> I got red plastic range rulers for sale. $10 each. Rumored to be going
> out of print.
He's not kidding, folks. GW's switching from the standard red to a new
"white plastic". And they won't be included in the box any more; you'll
have to buy them in blister packs for $24.99 (two rulers per pack). Of
course, only official GW white plastic range rulers are acceptable forms of
measurement in GW events. :}
--
Del Webb
dw...@transport.com
"Conan, what is best in life?"
"To paint your miniatures, to see them driven before you on the table, and
to hear the lamentation of the cheese-mongers!"
Del Webb
Chris Weigt <sci-...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> Evil Homer wrote:
> > NOBODY can screw you like the college text book biz. Buy the book for
an
> > ungodly amount, use it for one semester, find that a minor typo was
found
> > and replaced necessitating a new edition and making yours impossible to
> > sell back.
> > Repeat for infinity.
> Oh yeah - except I did the smart thing and refused to buy any more texts
> after first year. Change the curriculum on _me_ will they? BOYCOTT
> UNIVERSITY TEXTBOOKS! *g*
Right on, Chris! We'll show those publishers they can't keep raising
prices on us! All you University fanboys out there are so clueless! Don't
you know you can get alternate textbooks from other companies for lots
less? Sure, the covers might not have as much detail, but they're betting
better every day! And if you have to have "official" University textbooks,
buy them used or off the net! The Travelling Scholar gives you 35% off
every day!
Even better, don't even start taking the classes! There are so many other,
smaller colleges out there, with lots of good classes! And they all have
much clearer assignments and their syllabus is so much better! I've tried
both, and I can tell you, with these alternate colleges my study mates and
I never have to argue over when our term papers are due; when I was in
University, we had a major schedule argument every class session! And they
don't change all the textbooks on us every semester, rendering all of our
notes obsolete! They don't charge exorbitant, inflated prices on all those
"special texts", even though they have the same number of pages as the
regular books!
And don't get me started on that monthly publisher's magazine; nothing but
ads for the newest, shiniest books. And those "Learning Reports", hah!
Obviously contrived. Have you ever noticed that whichever class has the
newest books always gets the highest grade point average?
Okay, I've run out of steam. I'd better go now; I have to do some reading
in my $70 textbook before tomorrow, so I have time to run down and buy some
more Eldar. :}
--
Del Webb (NOT an Economics major)
Aries62
Necromunda, 40K or (God Forbid) Epic 40K which I admit I like and think is a
good game.
I think we all agree that we would like to pay less for a game so we can
get more of the figures that support it. I mean who wouldn't like to get any
of this stuff for less money?
But the one thing I cannot fathom is this. Owners of my local game
stores who rant and rave endlessly about "GW's high prices", "they do this
because little rich kid's parents will buy it for them" and "this is an outrage
that someone should put a stop to." But I have never once had one of these
persons offer me a discount on any of these items. I must admit that I am
confused when they feel I am not supporting the local game shop by buying a
product at full price from them while they all but call me an idiot fan boy to
my face for buying it at all, after having to wait two to four weeks for them
to order it into the shop because they "don't take shit from GW". So in
summary I guess I am just venting some of my frustration and suggesting that we
support mail order firms that can sell the same product at a 35% discount and
have it delivered to my doorstep in 3 days. That is what I want as a consumer.
Thank you for allowing me to scream for minute or two.
Tim and Mary
>
> Todd spewed:
> >That was the idea ... but it was not to include RAISING THE PRICE! Why
> would you
> >spend $40.00 for the rules when you could get the whole boxed set for $60?
>
> What part was tough? The hardback will include all of the printed material
> on Necromunda-
Trinity, perhaps you are the person who needs to "pay attention": The
new book DOES NOT contain all of the "printed material on Necromunda".
Check out Tim's post.
Before opening mouth, you might want to have the facts straight, so that
inserting your foot won't hurt so bad.
> >Besides, GW will still make a killing on the rules. Screw 'em - photocopy
> everything you can.
>
> A brief explanation for whineboys: GW does not get the entire $40. Retailers
> probably pay about $22 (45% GW discount) for the book, and distributors
> typically charge 8-12% (of the $22.) That would leave GW about $19 (U.S.)
> for the product before they pay shipping, printing & layout, and a myriad of
> other expenses. These numbers are easy to grasp, yet you fools are thinking
> they should charge $25 for the product. Wake up and learn instead of just
> spewing your venom-- It's getting annoying, as in your inability to
> understand business.
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Do YOU own a store? If so, then I'd hate to be your accountant. If you
don't own a store, then please... don't spout your sermon and lecture
since it's obvious you do not know what you are talking about.
Again... do the math. You and every other Fanboy keep avoiding the real
issue here... as is typical of fanboys.
Tim
Tim and Mary
>
> >And there is just no opening the eyes for the ever-present fanboy,
> >either...
>
> And just no pleasing the ever-present whineboys either, huh Tim?
>
> Tri...@calweb.com
Hey, it's a terrible job, but someone's gotta do it, since some people
are so blind it's pathetic...
And I DID say how they could "please" whiners: ask a reasonable price
for their products. They haven't done this for years, they won't ever do
it again.
However, opinions are free. If you feel they are "whining", then you're
also a hypocrite for "whining about the whining".
Welcome to the club!
Tim
Tim and Mary
>
> Tim and Mary (timan...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> :
> : And there is just no opening the eyes for the ever-present fanboy,
> : either...
>
> is a laughable label.
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Hmmmm, I could care less if you spent nothing or a year's income on GW.
When you and anyone of your ilk (Trinity, for example) defend GW's
obviously money-grubbing tactics, you're a fanboy in my book. You don't
care? Good, I don't care that you don't care, etc. etc. etc. Whatever.
> : Do The Math, Avatar... it costs MORE to get the same items that were in
> : the previous edition of Necromunda.
>
> Sorry, but I consider it a plus that all of the rules have been combined
> into a single volume instead of having 3 separate books in 2 differetn
> boxed sets, but then again I'm just silly that way...God forbid GW should
> do something like this we all *like* to buy separate supplments to get new
> rules...NOT!
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Again, some people are blind....
Do the math. To get what you USED to be able to get, you have to spend
MORE.... Get the idea here? They used to offer more, for less. And of
course, this LOOKS like they're doing exactly "What we want". Hogwash.
I'd have though you could've seen through this one. Oh well, continue
wearing your rose-colored glasses....
> : But, just for the reading-impared, let's look at it again...
>
> For the math impaired it is a whole $15 more expensive to buy the whole of
> the necromunda rules, terrain and enough minis to match what was
> originally in the box, but have the convenience to buy them or *not* buy
> them if you so choose.
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And for the obviously common-sense impaired, see above.
> You just keep going on and *proving* my point. Now that people have the
> option to buy separately they are bitching. Its that simple, Tim. *That8
> is exactly my point. Its funny that you should label me a fanboy,
> considering I actually said absolutely nothing about GW in my post, merely
> that people got *what they bloody well asked for* and now are still
> bitching about something else instead. Your little rant does not cahnge
> that fact, and proves my point all the more...
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And you've just continued to prove that you can NOT do the math. Some
people never learn, I guess. Some do.
You get less for what you pay for. Your counter-rant proves nothing.
> : GW knows Necromunda far surpassed their wildest dreams. They are milking
> : it for everything they can now, and the (uneducated) customer will be
> : paying for it.
> :
> And how exactly will they be paying for it so horribly?? They'll buy the
> game and some minis and play and probably have fun, regardless of your
> bitching about it. Many of those people would have bought the whole thing
> anyway, so what is the problem?? I wish that this had been the way it was
> originally released. I would have spent $40 for the rules and not had to
> buy the plastic minis or the buildings or anything. But wait, no that
> mode of thought doesn't matter in your little world....
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Of course they wouldn't have done it that way... it makes too much
SENSE. So, they wait, release it separately, and raise the price. Oh,
but it's just "so much easier".... yeah, right. Get a grip, Avatar.
The point that you are so conveniently forgetting is just that: They've
basically raised the price. When you want to get what you USED to be
able to get, it costs more. Period. That's all I said. You want to get
crappy and sarcastic? I can get crappy and sarcastic, I can stoop to
your level. But defending this tactic on their part gets you labelled as
Fanboy... whether you like it or not, whether you care or not.
If you (or Trinity) plan on DEFENDING something GW does that is an
obvious squeeze of the market's testicles... please... make sure that a)
you realize what you are doing, and b) you KNOW what you are talking
about. Thanks!
Tim
Tim and Mary
> I will certainly agree that their pricing policies seem really out there.
> I see abaolsutely nothing wrong with the price of the book for $39.99. I
> *do* have a problem with putting some cardboard in a box with a couple
> pieces of plastic and charging $39.99 for it, though. So many people seem
> to be harping on the $39.99 price tag for the rules, though. I just don't
> understand it, because when I look at my 3rd edition Warhammer book (and
> wonder where my Rogue Trader hardback disappeared to...) the price just
> feels right to me. Of course, in either case I will not buy any of it
> since I've already got it all...It just seems that in light of the costs
> of the old hardbacks, that the complaints about the costs of the rules are
> a little off base in my opinion....
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Of course, those older editions you were so fond of were only available
in those formats, as you yourself admitted.
They were never available in a $60 boxed set with tons of terrain,
minis, extras, and then split up into different parts which TOTALLED
more than the boxed set by a long shot.
Hey, no problem here with the book: they should've done that in the
first place. But parting it out, and charging a fair chunk of change
more for each piece is ludicrous, however you look at it. It's great for
them, granted. They're making more that way. It's also very nice that,
if interested, 40K players (or players of any sci-fi 25-30mm minis games
for that matter) can get the terrain pack... but $40? For $80, you can
get the Necro book and the terrain, and you still can't play a single
game... compared to the $60 boxed set which arrived VERY playable...
For some it may be a steal, for others, it's a rip. Everyone has their
opinion.
Tim
Tim and Mary
Doug,
Thanks for pointing this out, as in my haste I forgot to point it
out... because basically, what they've done with the book IS in theory a
great idea. It IS what we've been asking for in a warped sort of way. I
just feel that how they priced the pieces is ridiculous. I was in no way
saying the new "format" was at fault. Avatar knows this.... I just took
him to task, and now he's got his feelers hurt, so he had to come back
with something, however weak it may have been. :)
Thanks,
Tim
Lord Dementia
OK. From a stores point of view, GW is honestly a bunch of jerks.
Wait hold off. I have an explanation.
They have a minimum order of $500.
If you want a 52% discount you have to pay that up front.
Then if you want to do it net 12 days (That means you wait till you sell
some stuff to pay them off. You have 12 days to sell half your order in
order to pay) You only get a 42% discount.
Then if you want them to list you in their little book (from WD) you have to
become a substantial buyer.
My point is this:
GW screws over stores so that their stores can make a better profit. They
are trying to make the American market into the UK's.
What we have to do is support the hobby if we think it's worth it or abandon
it if it's not. But the anger people have with the stores is not right. It's
alot harder to make a profit at retail than wholesale. Considering they are
pumping out these $40 hardcovers for around $5 - $10.
I forgot where I was going with this, so I'll leave to you all to decide.
Lord Dementia
"I tried not to get involved."
Tim and Mary wrote in message <6opg2s$5...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
Tim and Mary
>
> :
> : Honestly Tim, this is price gouging beyond recognition even by GW
> : standards. I can't believe that there are this many stupid people in the
> : world that they would be willing to pay $119 for the same Necro set they
> : could have gotten 3 months ago for $69.99. Or is that the marketing plan?
> : Charge them more and people will buy the overpriced boxed Necro set instead
> : - much like the plastic Terminator/Space Hulk controversy we had a ways
> : back.
>
> included in the rules and the scenary pack. So if yer gonna scream,
> scream about the right thing...
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Now, why am I NOT surprised that the first two replies to Tom's message
were from.... GASP! Avatar and Trinity? :)
And Av... take your own advice... Tim himself said that Outlanders is
only included in the RULES section, NOT in the scenery pack... but of
course, to you, that probably doesn't count for much.
Scream on, Todd....
Tim
Tim and Mary
>
> Gargamel wrote in message ...
> >
> >From what I've seen, only ONE building is included in the scenery pack, not
> >the FOUR (assuming there's only one in Outlanders) you would get if you
> >bought the boxed sets. See the main thread for my breakdown of the costs.
> >
> >Gargamel : Arch-Smurf.
>
> That's just it, you haven't seen anything and you're already griping. Those
> of us that wish the rules could be purchased separately from the boxed set,
> and have asked for this repeatedly, wish you'd relax and see what
> materializes. If GW had originally released everything individually at the
> quoted prices, then released a boxed set at a discount from those prices,
> all the people bitching would think it was the greatest idea yet. But that
> would make it difficult for you to lurk around the group waiting for
> something to cry about.
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No, Trinity, that would make FAR too much sense for them to do...
release to book FIRST! Nope, they couldn't do that, because THEN the
"Boxed Set" that came later would HAVE to be over $100....
Boy, I wish you could get a grip on reality here. You know WHY they
released the book well AFTER the boxed set? To milk the market.
> You're tainted. You're annoying. You're whineboys and you're outnumbered.
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You're Blind. You're Brainwashed. You're fanboys and you're annoying!
Two can play the "asshole" game, Trinity...
Tim
Trinity
Tim and Mary wrote in message <6opfpv$5...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>And I DID say how they could "please" whiners: ask a reasonable price
>for their products. They haven't done this for years, they won't ever do
>it again.
>
>However, opinions are free. If you feel they are "whining", then you're
>also a hypocrite for "whining about the whining".
>
>Welcome to the club!
>
>Tim
I have never minded or flamed a reasonably stated opinion opposite my own.
However, the whining, generalizations, and misinformation spewed on this
group by a handful of people are starting to get on more nerves than just my
own.
Trinity
Trinity wrote:
>> A brief explanation for whineboys: GW does not get the entire $40.
Retailers
>> probably pay about $22 (45% GW discount) for the book, and distributors
>> typically charge 8-12% (of the $22.) That would leave GW about $19 (U.S.)
>> for the product before they pay shipping, printing & layout, and a myriad
of
>> other expenses. These numbers are easy to grasp, yet you fools are
thinking
>> they should charge $25 for the product. Wake up and learn instead of just
>> spewing your venom-- It's getting annoying, as in your inability to
>> understand business.
>
>don't own a store, then please... don't spout your sermon and lecture
>since it's obvious you do not know what you are talking about.
These are the generalizations that I'm referring to. Instead of making a
broad statement like "...you don't know what you are talking about," why
don't you back it up? What part of my explanation do you believe to be
innacurate? I don't mind being wrong, and I don't mind learning, I just find
it odd the frequency that people rely on the "know you are, but what am I"
defense.
Tri...@calweb.com
Self indicted fanboy, but at least it makes sense for me to be here.
WJP
ok, now to correct myself..since "Battles in the Underhive" isn't
included, I'm less than thrilled with the cost. Good concept, but the
screwed up again in pricing by about 5 to 10 bucks. oh well, thats
what discount stores are for :)
Trinity
that. You say buying all the same components costs more than the original
boxed game and that's a ripoff. I say if you're buying all the components
to re-create the contents of the boxed game you could've bought at $70, then
you're not that smart anyway. You feel $39 is too much for a 300+ page
hardback, I don't.
>>You're Blind. You're Brainwashed. You're fanboys and you're annoying!
I'm not blind; I understand that I pay a premium for the products that I
buy.
I'm not brainwashed; There are a dozen things that unnerve me about GW.
And fanboys might be annoying, but we have our own newsgroup.
And as for this...
>>Two can play the "asshole" game, Trinity...
I see that ... Tim & Mary.
Tri...@calweb.com
Self indicted Fanboy, but at least it makes sense for me to be here.
Trinity
>When you and anyone of your ilk (Trinity, for example) defend GW's
>obviously money-grubbing tactics, you're a fanboy in my book. You don't
>care? Good, I don't care that you don't care, etc. etc. etc. Whatever.
Since you don't care, let's get started: Even though you conveniently "drop"
your sig where it might make you look like a hyocrite, you retail GW
products. Is that not the ultimate in hypocrisy? Don't you profit from their
"tactics?" Don't post your discount policy, GW still gets the same amount of
money. Drop their line and show us how you can succeed without them, or is
your business failing even with GW? While we're at it, you sell Magic also;
What do you figure the markup on a collectible card pack is? Or is that okay
'cause your discount from WOTC is better so the price is just jacked up for
the consumer? And how 'bout those "rare" MTG cards; Do you sell those like
commons? I doubt it. You're only righteous when it's free; just another one
of those ignorant retailers who justifies charging his walk in customers
more than he does mail order customers. I wouldn't buy a marble from you.
Right about now, while you're questioning the mail order decision you made,
pull your wife aside and whisper in his ear, "We're fucking doomed," because
at 29 years old you're just too fucking smart.
Tri...@calweb.com
Hey Homer, is Eviler a word.
Gargamel
(Evil Homer) wrote:
> I now officially crown you....
> <drumroll please>
>
> Evil Trinity!
Shouldn't that be Unholy Trinity?
--
Gargamel : Arch-enemy of the bane of all humanity - The Smurfs. ¦