[40k][CHAOS] 500 pt. CSM list
Mr. X, CPA
Following the theme of that first sentence, I'm thinking these guys
will be Emperor's Children (though just in name for now--need more
points for noise marines & daemonettes). I was originally going to do
Iron Warriors, but pretty much every CSM army list on Dakka is IW so I
figured I'd be different. And what redblooded American boy doesn't
want a 1/60 scale army of day-glo hermaphrodites cluttering up their
desk? I know I do.
=HQ=
Chaos Lieutenant Tawny - 45
w/ bp, pw, frag & krak grens - 19 Total: 64
Notes: I'm not actually sure if I can actually take a lieutenant as my
HQ, since the Chaos Lord is listed as 0-1. I'm also skeptical about
the krak grenades, especially since the squad he/she'll be tagging
along with doesn't have them. But I had two spare points.
=TROOPS=
Squad Bubbles
6 Chaos Marines - 84
5 bp/ccw
Mark o' Slaanesh - 30
1 upgrade to Asp. Champ w/ bp & pw - 11
frag grenades - 6
Rhino w/ extra armor - 55 Total: 186
Notes: Doubt #2...is the Mark of Slaanesh a real advantage over, say,
another heavy weapon in my Havoc squad and a melta for these guys?
Should I forget the champ altogether, or maybe drop the squad mark and
pay for him? I'm sure Warp Scream & fearlessness will be useful, but
so would smoke launchers on the rhinos. And if I do actually need to
take a lord I'll probably have to get the points from here.
Squad Peaches
5 Chaos Marines - 70
4 bp/ccw
1 melta - 10
frag grenades - 5
Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
Notes: I'll probably use Peaches & pals as a retinue for Lt. Tawny.
Should I drop the melta and/or try to fit in marks? Marks'll come at
the cost of my Havoc squad below.
=HEAVY SUPPORT=
Squad Toots
5 Havocs - 70
3 bolters
2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 110
Notes: These are the guys I'm most skeptical about. While probably
effective I feel like they're not all that fluffy. I don't have the
points to upgrade them to Noise Marines unless I do five sonic
blasters, I'm scared to do that without giving them a rhino because of
the 24" range.
Models in army: 17
Vehicles: 2
Hours spent on this list: Incredibly, 3 whole ones
=MODELLING=
I'd like to put at least a few female (or androgynous, whatever)
marines in here. I'm a little scared of modeling with metal this
early on, but hell, I've got to start sometime. I like the WFB Witch
Elves a lot, the Daemonettes are nice too but a little pricey. They
both look like they have long hair, will it be hard to pin on marine
backpacks? And will marine limbs look hideously out of proportion on
these guys? I'd also like to do leg & torso swaps, I don't know if
that'll look goofy (fat SM legs on a slim witch elf upper body...).
I'm also not sure which box sets to get...Obviously there's no right
way to convert these guys, but in case I haven't bored you yet I'd
like a second opinion before dropping just under $100 on soldiers,
vehicles, and pink paint:
- Get Khorne Berzerkers box and SM Tactical Squad, mix 'em up.
This'll give me a missile launcher and a flamer that I can make into a
melta. Has the 12 bp/ccws I need, but I don't know if I can get those
damn wings off the berzerkers' heads. I've got a big pair of clippers
and I should get a jeweler's saw, are the wings thin enough to be
taken off that way? Plus the Imperial chest eagles might look a
little wierd on CSMs (though the Red Corsairs in the codex looked cool
to me).
- Get the Emperor's Children box and the Blood Claws box, mix away.
This way I don't get a sprue I'll never use (mutations schmutations)
and I get some Noise Marine weapons for future expansions...but...I
think I only get ten bp/ccws and one melta (I can probably make
another from a bolter and a gargoyle head off the chaos vehicle
stuff).
- This is my wackiest idea: Get a chaos box and a WFB Marauders box
and mix them up. They'll be sorta bronzed & half-naked, probably with
eye makeup, lipstick and Ziggy Stardust hair. Very Slaanesh (or very
meatpacking district for you New Yorkers). Will probably look more at
home with Witch Elf conversions & such. I'll also need spare
backpacks and assault marine arms, which means dealing with [read:
being sodomized by] GW mail order. I'll just have to close my eyes
and think of Slaanesh.
Anyhoo, thanks for any help and happy holidays! Well, holiday.
They're all over but New Years and maybe Kwanzaa.
X
Jack and Co.
Justin will have a field day with this, if he can be bothered to appear.
> Following the theme of that first sentence, I'm thinking these guys
> will be Emperor's Children
Huzzah!
> (though just in name for now--need more
> points for noise marines & daemonettes). I was originally going to do
> Iron Warriors, but pretty much every CSM army list on Dakka is IW so I
> figured I'd be different. And what redblooded American boy doesn't
> want a 1/60 scale army of day-glo hermaphrodites cluttering up their
> desk? I know I do.
Mmmmmm...hermaphrodites.
> Chaos Lieutenant Tawny - 45
> w/ bp, pw, frag & krak grens - 19 Total: 64
>
> Notes: I'm not actually sure if I can actually take a lieutenant as my
> HQ, since the Chaos Lord is listed as 0-1. I'm also skeptical about
> the krak grenades, especially since the squad he/she'll be tagging
> along with doesn't have them. But I had two spare points.
Paint a burning torch on his shoulderpads. I'll say thank you if you can
explain the joke to me.
You do not need to take a lord. That's what the 0 part in 0-1 means. You
can take none, or one, but no more than one, unless with multiple
detachments.
Hoiw much of this was mental masturbation to the image of your fully
painted, 10,000 point, 50% nude female, Slaanesh army?
> I'd like to put at least a few female (or androgynous, whatever)
> marines in here. I'm a little scared of modeling with metal this
> early on, but hell, I've got to start sometime.
Start with plastic, mayhaps. Personally, I feel Daemonettes and Elves are
your best bets for female miniatures.
> I like the WFB Witch
> Elves a lot, the Daemonettes are nice too but a little pricey. They
> both look like they have long hair, will it be hard to pin on marine
> backpacks?
Omit the backpacks. Or do something else in their place. Or model hair
over the backpack.
> And will marine limbs look hideously out of proportion on
> these guys? I'd also like to do leg & torso swaps, I don't know if
> that'll look goofy (fat SM legs on a slim witch elf upper body...).
Unless you take only the head, they probably will. If you feel competent,
you could model some smooth armor plate on their legs and arms...
> - Get Khorne Berzerkers box and SM Tactical Squad, mix 'em up.
> This'll give me a missile launcher and a flamer that I can make into a
> melta. Has the 12 bp/ccws I need, but I don't know if I can get those
> damn wings off the berzerkers' heads. I've got a big pair of clippers
> and I should get a jeweler's saw, are the wings thin enough to be
> taken off that way? Plus the Imperial chest eagles might look a
> little wierd on CSMs (though the Red Corsairs in the codex looked cool
> to me).
Horns are easy to remove. Very easy. Just deface the eagle, perhaps?
Keep the horns, in some cases, and do kinky things with them. On the
model, that is.
> - Get the Emperor's Children box and the Blood Claws box, mix away.
> This way I don't get a sprue I'll never use (mutations schmutations)
> and I get some Noise Marine weapons for future expansions...but...I
> think I only get ten bp/ccws and one melta (I can probably make
> another from a bolter and a gargoyle head off the chaos vehicle
> stuff).
Green stuff is your friend. That and small nails/tacks. They make nice
spikes.
> Anyhoo, thanks for any help and happy holidays! Well, holiday.
> They're all over but New Years and maybe Kwanzaa.
Dammit, I've always thought March Break should be an official business
holiday...
Octavulg
Mr. X, CPA
> Huzzah!
So you like it.
> Mmmmmm...hermaphrodites.
Wow, you really like it!
> > Hours spent on this list: Incredibly, 3 whole ones
>
> Hoiw much of this was mental masturbation to the image of your fully
> painted, 10,000 point, 50% nude female, Slaanesh army?
Maybe you like it a little too much.
And none of it was mental. Maybe I'm the one who's gone too far?
> > Chaos Lieutenant Tawny - 45
> > w/ bp, pw, frag & krak grens - 19 Total: 64
> >
> > Notes: I'm not actually sure if I can actually take a lieutenant as my
> > HQ, since the Chaos Lord is listed as 0-1. I'm also skeptical about
> > the krak grenades, especially since the squad he/she'll be tagging
> > along with doesn't have them. But I had two spare points.
>
> Paint a burning torch on his shoulderpads. I'll say thank you if you can
> explain the joke to me.
I don't think I can...Moloch/Baphomet? Or is it a Harvey Fierstein
joke? You just want to be loved, is that so wrong?
> You do not need to take a lord. That's what the 0 part in 0-1 means. You
> can take none, or one, but no more than one, unless with multiple
> detachments.
Thanks for telling me this. I'm feeling good about the list now,
provided I order it before the prices rise in a few days. I love
holiday money.
I'm pretty sure I'm doing the Blood Claws/Berzerkers thing now. I'm
going to have to figure how to chop up the Witch Elf command too. I
smell epoxy in my future. And I'm not too thrilled to pay $40 for two
Rhinos. Anyone know of cheap model kits I could cover with Chaos bits
and fake it for now?
X
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Alex Fink
"Mr. X, CPA" <vedi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> And I'm not too thrilled to pay $40 for two
> Rhinos. Anyone know of cheap model kits I could cover with Chaos bits
> and fake it for now?
As soon as I wrote this I got off my lazy duff and started searching the
net. Does anyone know what scale works? An old thread I found said that
1/35 tanks were too big. 1/43 seems to be the next logical step.
X
Jack and Co.
>
> So you like it.
>
> > Mmmmmm...hermaphrodites.
>
> Wow, you really like it!
>
> > > Hours spent on this list: Incredibly, 3 whole ones
> >
> > Hoiw much of this was mental masturbation to the image of your fully
> > painted, 10,000 point, 50% nude female, Slaanesh army?
>
> Maybe you like it a little too much.
You can never have to much! You can always give s'more!
> And none of it was mental. Maybe I'm the one who's gone too far?
You can never go to far! You can always use those pills to get s'more!
> > > Chaos Lieutenant Tawny - 45
> > > w/ bp, pw, frag & krak grens - 19 Total: 64
> > >
> > > Notes: I'm not actually sure if I can actually take a lieutenant as my
> > > HQ, since the Chaos Lord is listed as 0-1. I'm also skeptical about
> > > the krak grenades, especially since the squad he/she'll be tagging
> > > along with doesn't have them. But I had two spare points.
> >
> > Paint a burning torch on his shoulderpads. I'll say thank you if you can
> > explain the joke to me.
>
> I don't think I can...Moloch/Baphomet? Or is it a Harvey Fierstein
> joke? You just want to be loved, is that so wrong?
Faggot is another word for kindling. Kindling is used in torches. Therefore, he'd have a flaming faggot on
his shoulder. It's bad, I know.
> > You do not need to take a lord. That's what the 0 part in 0-1 means. You
> > can take none, or one, but no more than one, unless with multiple
> > detachments.
>
> Thanks for telling me this. I'm feeling good about the list now,
> provided I order it before the prices rise in a few days. I love
> holiday money.
Start buying second hand. Trust me, it's worth it. Got 50 Chaos minis for $50 one time...
> I'm pretty sure I'm doing the Blood Claws/Berzerkers thing now. I'm
> going to have to figure how to chop up the Witch Elf command too. I
> smell epoxy in my future. And I'm not too thrilled to pay $40 for two
> Rhinos. Anyone know of cheap model kits I could cover with Chaos bits
> and fake it for now?
Well, you can buy cheap rubber tanks with boxes of plastic soldiers. Ya get a free trank turret too. And
they don't look *too* bad. Well, actually they look quite bad.
Octavulg, but they're a hell of a lot cheaper than GW Rhinos...
Maka
>
> Chaos Lieutenant Tawny - 45
> w/ bp, pw, frag & krak grens - 19 Total: 64
Lose the Krak. I have never ever ever seen it work better than simply
pounding on the vehicle with the S4.
> Notes: I'm not actually sure if I can actually take a lieutenant as my
> HQ, since the Chaos Lord is listed as 0-1.
Yes, you can have a Lieutenant as your only HQ choice. The lord and
greater daemons are both listed as 0-1, you are using the zero option.
> =TROOPS=
>
> Squad Bubbles
> 6 Chaos Marines - 84
> 5 bp/ccw
> Mark o' Slaanesh - 30
> 1 upgrade to Asp. Champ w/ bp & pw - 11
Illegal! You only get the Free Aspiring Champ upgrade when you play
an Emporers Childrens Army. You must pay the 13 points for the
aspiring champion upgrade, OR give all models who can take marks,
marks of Slaanesh.
> frag grenades - 6
> Rhino w/ extra armor - 55 Total: 186
> Notes: Doubt #2...is the Mark of Slaanesh a real advantage over, say,
> another heavy weapon in my Havoc squad and a melta for these guys?
> Should I forget the champ altogether, or maybe drop the squad mark and
> pay for him? I'm sure Warp Scream & fearlessness will be useful, but
> so would smoke launchers on the rhinos. And if I do actually need to
> take a lord I'll probably have to get the points from here.
The mark of Slaanesh is worth it because it allows you to take a Warp
Amp on your Rhino. With the Warp Amp and Blastphomous Runes, enemies
will be tank shocked at Ld-4!
> Squad Peaches
> 5 Chaos Marines - 70
> 4 bp/ccw
> 1 melta - 10
> frag grenades - 5
> Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
>
> Notes: I'll probably use Peaches & pals as a retinue for Lt. Tawny.
> Should I drop the melta and/or try to fit in marks? Marks'll come at
> the cost of my Havoc squad below.
> =HEAVY SUPPORT=
>
> Squad Toots
> 5 Havocs - 70
> 3 bolters
> 2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 110
> Notes: These are the guys I'm most skeptical about. While probably
> effective I feel like they're not all that fluffy. I don't have the
> points to upgrade them to Noise Marines unless I do five sonic
> blasters, I'm scared to do that without giving them a rhino because of
> the 24" range.
You'll want more tank busting than just meltaguns. You should try to
field squads of 6, even if you don't take the marks.
> Models in army: 17
> Vehicles: 2
> Hours spent on this list: Incredibly, 3 whole ones
Ouch.
> - Get Khorne Berzerkers box and SM Tactical Squad, mix 'em up.
> This'll give me a missile launcher and a flamer that I can make into a
> melta. Has the 12 bp/ccws I need, but I don't know if I can get those
> damn wings off the berzerkers' heads.
It is very easy. With metal snips and then just a little work with a
knife it is very quick and painless.
I've got a big pair of clippers
> and I should get a jeweler's saw, are the wings thin enough to be
> taken off that way? Plus the Imperial chest eagles might look a
> little wierd on CSMs (though the Red Corsairs in the codex looked cool
> to me).
A lot of imperial armour doesn't have the cest eagle. It is not tha
hard to carve off, just make sure that guys who used to have a chest
eagle are holding their guns in two hands, it will cover the blank
area on their chests.
> - Get the Emperor's Children box and the Blood Claws box, mix away.
> This way I don't get a sprue I'll never use (mutations schmutations)
> and I get some Noise Marine weapons for future expansions...but...I
> think I only get ten bp/ccws and one melta (I can probably make
> another from a bolter and a gargoyle head off the chaos vehicle
> stuff).
You could just order the raptor assault wepaons bit, I think its $2
and comes with a flamer, meltagun and plasmagun.
> - This is my wackiest idea: Get a chaos box and a WFB Marauders box
> and mix them up. They'll be sorta bronzed & half-naked, probably with
> eye makeup, lipstick and Ziggy Stardust hair.
Do this. You could use some sisters of battle, and give htem chaos
back packs, but I'd swap heads too, maybe use the withch elf heads.
> X
-Maka
Mr. X, CPA
> Lose the Krak. I have never ever ever seen it work better than simply
> pounding on the vehicle with the S4.
Done and done. I feel so much lighter with those 2 points freed up...
> Yes, you can have a Lieutenant as your only HQ choice. The lord and
> greater daemons are both listed as 0-1, you are using the zero option.
Thanks for confirming this, I was really nervous about it. Too bad I
missed the real problem:
> > 1 upgrade to Asp. Champ w/ bp & pw - 11
>
> Illegal! You only get the Free Aspiring Champ upgrade when you play
> an Emporers Childrens Army. You must pay the 13 points for the
> aspiring champion upgrade, OR give all models who can take marks,
> marks of Slaanesh.
Damn damn damn. Totally missed that. I'm not sure what to do now,
since I can't afford to make the guy a champ & arm him as well. I'll
probably keep the mark for CC prowess, but maybe I should bulk up the
lord (lightning claw? I'm not sold, since I lose an extra attack) or
grab another marine for Havoc Squad fluffiness & put a melta in this
squad. Now that they don't have a PW I'm scared for them, they're
just regular marines and I wanted a nasty close assault unit. I don't
want to lose the armor on the Rhinos, maybe I'll just use the extra
points for smoke launchers and a (freakin-a) 6-point flamer?
> > Notes: Doubt #2...is the Mark of Slaanesh a real advantage over, say,
> > another heavy weapon in my Havoc squad and a melta for these guys?
> > Should I forget the champ altogether, or maybe drop the squad mark and
> > pay for him? I'm sure Warp Scream & fearlessness will be useful, but
> > so would smoke launchers on the rhinos. And if I do actually need to
> > take a lord I'll probably have to get the points from here.
>
> The mark of Slaanesh is worth it because it allows you to take a Warp
> Amp on your Rhino. With the Warp Amp and Blastphomous Runes, enemies
> will be tank shocked at Ld-4!
That sounds pretty great. I did want the mark, I just didn't know if
it'd be worth it at this level where I can't afford a Warp Amp or
Noise weapons. I know I'm getting neurotic over a piddly little 500
point list, but hey, that's what I do with everything. Would having
another missile launcher and grabbing a sixth Havoc (or using the
points on smoke & flamer, as above) balance out the lowered CC ability
of a markless Squad Bubbles? I don't know that striking first is
really going to help that much, since I'll probably be fighting mostly
marined with that damn armor save (when it saves me it'll be "that
wonderful, precious armor save").
> > =HEAVY SUPPORT=
> >
> > Squad Toots
> > 5 Havocs - 70
> > 3 bolters
> > 2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 110
>
> > Notes: These are the guys I'm most skeptical about. While probably
> > effective I feel like they're not all that fluffy. I don't have the
> > points to upgrade them to Noise Marines unless I do five sonic
> > blasters, I'm scared to do that without giving them a rhino because of
> > the 24" range.
>
> You'll want more tank busting than just meltaguns. You should try to
> field squads of 6, even if you don't take the marks.
I know, I know. I couldn't fit them in before. It depends on whether
the Mark of Slaanesh alone is worth 30 pts/ for one squad...I'm
guessing no, but then I'm a total newbie.
> > Models in army: 17
> > Vehicles: 2
> > Hours spent on this list: Incredibly, 3 whole ones
>
> Ouch.
Well, that includes rereading the codex and posting. Still, I thought
I'd be going to sleep early that night...
> > - Get Khorne Berzerkers box and SM Tactical Squad, mix 'em up.
> > This'll give me a missile launcher and a flamer that I can make into a
> > melta. Has the 12 bp/ccws I need, but I don't know if I can get those
> > damn wings off the berzerkers' heads.
>
> It is very easy. With metal snips and then just a little work with a
> knife it is very quick and painless.
Hmmm....I'm still not convinced. They're cool, but they're not too
different from the Marauders and I don't think they're what I'll
looking for (I did lift the bare arms thing from them).
> I've got a big pair of clippers
> > and I should get a jeweler's saw, are the wings thin enough to be
> > taken off that way? Plus the Imperial chest eagles might look a
> > little wierd on CSMs (though the Red Corsairs in the codex looked cool
> > to me).
>
> A lot of imperial armour doesn't have the cest eagle. It is not tha
> hard to carve off, just make sure that guys who used to have a chest
> eagle are holding their guns in two hands, it will cover the blank
> area on their chests.
I might also, as someone else said, just deface the eagles, or scracth
up the filed chest area to make it look really battleworn.
> > - Get the Emperor's Children box and the Blood Claws box, mix away.
> > This way I don't get a sprue I'll never use (mutations schmutations)
> > and I get some Noise Marine weapons for future expansions...but...I
> > think I only get ten bp/ccws and one melta (I can probably make
> > another from a bolter and a gargoyle head off the chaos vehicle
> > stuff).
>
> You could just order the raptor assault wepaons bit, I think its $2
> and comes with a flamer, meltagun and plasmagun.
Good to know, though I like the idea of making my own (and, as the
army stands now, I only need one melta, covered by the BC box). I'll
probably get Space Marine accessory sprues for the missile launchers,
those have a flamer on them. Voila! I'm the mack.
Hey, it looks like plastic Marine heads have a big neck-guard thing.
Is that tough to get off, and will it make putting Marauder heads on
Marine torsos tough?
> > - This is my wackiest idea: Get a chaos box and a WFB Marauders box
> > and mix them up. They'll be sorta bronzed & half-naked, probably with
> > eye makeup, lipstick and Ziggy Stardust hair.
>
> Do this. You could use some sisters of battle, and give htem chaos
> back packs, but I'd swap heads too, maybe use the withch elf heads.
They all seem to have a lotta hair--epoxy, here I come. But putting a
bearded marauder noggin on a Witch Elf body is just so nasty I want to
try it.
I really have gone too far.
I thought about Sisters before, maybe I'll try it.
And one last modelly bits question...the pictures on the GW site make
it look like there's one Chaos backpack sprue with three packs for a
buck (99399999004, from the Berzerker box), another chaos BP sprue
with one for a buck (99390102003, from the CSM box), and the regular
Marine backpacks might be 5/$1. Is this accurate, or are the prices
all per pack?
X
RGMW Dictator
> This is my first time, so be gentle.
You mention Slaanesh and suddenly I'm here. Coincidence?
> And what redblooded American boy doesn't
> want a 1/60 scale army of day-glo hermaphrodites cluttering up their
> desk? I know I do.
I kinda think that line is outtake material. Sammy, take note.
> =HQ=
>
> Chaos Lieutenant Tawny - 45
> w/ bp, pw, frag & krak grens - 19 Total: 64
1. Loss the krak grenades. 2. Give him a mark of Slaanesh, see below.
> =TROOPS=
> Squad Bubbles
> 6 Chaos Marines - 84
> 5 bp/ccw
> Mark o' Slaanesh - 30
> 1 upgrade to Asp. Champ w/ bp & pw - 11
> frag grenades - 6
> Rhino w/ extra armor - 55 Total: 186
A few notes here. As Maka mentioned, you don't get the free champ
upgrade with this army, but that can be ignored for now. Since your Lt
doesn't have the mark of Slaanesh, these guys count as Elites. I'd use
a normal Slaaneshi army for now and then upgrade to Emperor's Children
when you get more models and more points to work with.
> I'm sure Warp Scream & fearlessness will be useful, but
> so would smoke launchers on the rhinos.
You want something nasty for later, use Mark of Slaanesh for Warp
Scream and give them Furious Charge. They'll be at +1 I on the charge
and everyone else will be a -1. That means you can charge Striking
Scorpions, Dire Avengers, and Incubi and strike first.
> Squad Peaches
> 5 Chaos Marines - 70
> 4 bp/ccw
> 1 melta - 10
> frag grenades - 5
> Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
Good, though having two rhinos in a 500 point army is a lot of points.
I've only got three in my 1500 point army.
> =HEAVY SUPPORT=
>
> Squad Toots
> 5 Havocs - 70
> 3 bolters
> 2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 110
Not bad, though might want to include them as Troops and only one
missile launcher until you get into bigger games.
> I've got a big pair of clippers
> and I should get a jeweler's saw, are the wings thin enough to be
> taken off that way?
Very easily, I just used a modeling knife and some time. It might be
hard for an entire squad though for one or two models it shouldn't be
that bad. Also watch all the marks of khorne on the models too.
> - Get the Emperor's Children box and the Blood Claws box, mix away.
> This way I don't get a sprue I'll never use (mutations schmutations)
> and I get some Noise Marine weapons for future expansions...but...I
> think I only get ten bp/ccws and one melta (I can probably make
> another from a bolter and a gargoyle head off the chaos vehicle
> stuff).
This would be my suggestion, just because you seem to need Slaaneshi
stuff if you want to play a Slaaneshi army.
Mr. X, CPA
> vedi...@yahoo.com (Mr. X, CPA) wrote in message news:<422163c4.02122...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > This is my first time, so be gentle.
>
> You mention Slaanesh and suddenly I'm here. Coincidence?
Moohoohmmhmhahahahahaha!
> > And what redblooded American boy doesn't
> > want a 1/60 scale army of day-glo hermaphrodites cluttering up their
> > desk? I know I do.
>
> I kinda think that line is outtake material. Sammy, take note.
God, I've probably peaked. Might as well take up knitting.
> > I'm sure Warp Scream & fearlessness will be useful, but
> > so would smoke launchers on the rhinos.
>
> You want something nasty for later, use Mark of Slaanesh for Warp
> Scream and give them Furious Charge. They'll be at +1 I on the charge
> and everyone else will be a -1. That means you can charge Striking
> Scorpions, Dire Avengers, and Incubi and strike first.
I like the sound of that. I really want these guys to be
assault-oriented (too bad the codex won't cooperate--10 points for a
plasma pistol? I got your ten points, Chambers. I got your ten
points right here).
> > Squad Peaches
> > 5 Chaos Marines - 70
> > 4 bp/ccw
> > 1 melta - 10
> > frag grenades - 5
> > Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
>
> Good, though having two rhinos in a 500 point army is a lot of points.
> I've only got three in my 1500 point army.
I know, but everyone seemed to advocate them. And if it's a CC army
(did I just call eighteen models and two armored station wagons an
army?) I figure i want to get into CC ASAP. OK? LOL.
> > =HEAVY SUPPORT=
> >
> > Squad Toots
> > 5 Havocs - 70
> > 3 bolters
> > 2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 110
>
> Not bad, though might want to include them as Troops and only one
> missile launcher until you get into bigger games.
That's a good idea, but I want to try them my way first in case some
devil bastard brings a wraithlord or a dread or a big swarm of gaunts
or something. When/if I expand the army I'm definitely using noise
marines as close support, I might lose the havocs altogether.
RE: Berzerkers
> Very easily, I just used a modeling knife and some time. It might be
> hard for an entire squad though for one or two models it shouldn't be
> that bad. Also watch all the marks of khorne on the models too.
The style of these models is a little too much like the Marauders:
simple, broad, & savage. It doesn't say "Slaanesh" to me, though it's
a more economical idea than the EC box.
> > - Get the Emperor's Children box and the Blood Claws box, mix away.
> > This way I don't get a sprue I'll never use (mutations schmutations)
> > and I get some Noise Marine weapons for future expansions...but...I
> > think I only get ten bp/ccws and one melta (I can probably make
> > another from a bolter and a gargoyle head off the chaos vehicle
> > stuff).
>
> This would be my suggestion, just because you seem to need Slaaneshi
> stuff if you want to play a Slaaneshi army.
I think I'll get these guys when/if I expand the army. I had this
wacky idea about using heavily modified Dark Eldar Splinter weapons as
Sonic Blasters and Blastmasters later on. They're long and spiky, I
like them better than the current weapons. If I can get them away
from the spindly DE arms it might work. There's always a million DE
sprues on Ebay, I might be able to use the spare spikes, bare heads
with David Lynch coiffures, and maybe even the female torsos (I'm sure
they're dwarfed by marine legs & heads, I don't know how well that
idea'll work...but Slaanesh demands "experimentation").
Anyhoo, the revised list is getting posted momentarily, right after a
much-needed visit to the throne of the copper and porcelain kingdom.
Thanks for your comments, sorry I just took you there.
X
Mr. X, CPA
> > Maybe you like it a little too much.
>
> You can never have to much! You can always give s'more!
>
> > And none of it was mental. Maybe I'm the one who's gone too far?
>
> You can never go to far! You can always use those pills to get s'more!
S'mores be good, yo.
> > > Paint a burning torch on his shoulderpads. I'll say thank you if you can
> > > explain the joke to me.
> >
> > I don't think I can...Moloch/Baphomet? Or is it a Harvey Fierstein
> > joke? You just want to be loved, is that so wrong?
>
> Faggot is another word for kindling. Kindling is used in torches. Therefore, he'd have a flaming faggot on
> his shoulder.
So it IS a Harvey Fierstein joke!
> > > You do not need to take a lord. That's what the 0 part in 0-1 means. You
> > > can take none, or one, but no more than one, unless with multiple
> > > detachments.
> >
> > Thanks for telling me this. I'm feeling good about the list now,
> > provided I order it before the prices rise in a few days. I love
> > holiday money.
>
> Start buying second hand. Trust me, it's worth it. Got 50 Chaos minis for $50 one time...
I'm taking that to heart. I just missed out on a Havoc squad for $13
and a Wych box for $9.95. Ebay: where the poor suckers of the world
find out how low resale value can be.
> > I'm pretty sure I'm doing the Blood Claws/Berzerkers thing now. I'm
> > going to have to figure how to chop up the Witch Elf command too. I
> > smell epoxy in my future. And I'm not too thrilled to pay $40 for two
> > Rhinos. Anyone know of cheap model kits I could cover with Chaos bits
> > and fake it for now?
>
> Well, you can buy cheap rubber tanks with boxes of plastic soldiers. Ya get a free trank turret too. And
> they don't look *too* bad. Well, actually they look quite bad.
>
> Octavulg, but they're a hell of a lot cheaper than GW Rhinos...
True. I had these memories of $5 snap-tite model kits, which seem to
be a thing of the distant past now. I'd better proxy for now, though,
cause GW's prices shoot way the hell up in two hours.
X
Mr. X, CPA
army list. I just posted this guy over on Dakka, dumb jokes and all,
so beware that it might be reiterating if you read them both.
I don't know that I'm get to use these guys as a 500 point list, the
local 40K club I stumbled into doesn't go that low. Maybe I'll build
some cityfight terrain and force them to do 500-each multi-army rubble
fights. Pink & white urban camo, baby.
=HQ=
Chaos Lieutenant Bunny - 45
w/ bp, pw, frag grens - 17
Daemonic Fire - 5 Total: 67
Notes: Dropped the krak...because Ijust say no to krak.* Get it?
Cause krak is a homonym for...aw hell.
Also added the daemonic fire, seemed better than a bolt pistol (which
I'd like to keep for the extra assault attack, is it legal to have two
ranged attacks? I know I can't use them both in one shooting phase).
=TROOPS=
Assault Squad Bubbles
6 Chaos Marines - 84
5 bp/ccw
1 upgrade to Asp. Champ - 13
w/ bp & pw - 11
frag grenades - 6
Rhino w/ extra armor - 55 Total: 169
Notes: Just out of curiosity, do marines keep their given weapons when
they upgrade to Aspiring champs? If they do I might drop Lt. Bunny's
fire and giving one of these guys a flamer. Fire bad, templates good!
Assault Squad Peaches
5 Chaos Marines - 70
4 bp/ccw
1 melta - 10
frag grenades - 5
Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
Notes: While it may look as if I haven't touched these guys, I've
secretly switched the marines we normally use with Folger's
crystals.**
=HEAVY SUPPORT=
Havoc Squad Toots
6 Havocs - 84
4 bolters
2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 124
Notes: Added another marine for fluffy goodness.
I'll try these guys out, if I don't depend on their firepower I might
do as someone suggested and drop an ML, make these guys troops, and
give Lt. Bunny a mark and furious charge...but I'm scared the army
will bump into a wraithlord, a dread, or some serious assault troops
that need thinning out, frag rocket style. I'm sticking to my guns,
literally. Just don't ask what's doing the sticking (freakin' Slaanesh
marines).***
Total points: 500
Models in army: 18
Vehicles: 2
Number of hours I've spent on ebay looking for secondhand marine &
chaos marauder sprues: I'm not telling. It's embarrassing.
I've been told here that two rhinos in a 500 point army are a big
points sink...pretty much every marine list I see has a comment
advocating a rhino for every squad. Anyone want to chime in before I
drop $50?
Thanks for perusin',
X
* [rimshot]
* * Thank you, thank you. Be sure to tip your waitresses!
*** My manager tells me there's a blue station wagon outside with it's
lights on, folks. And speaking of blue, remember to leave the kids at
home if you come to the ten o'clock show. You've been a great crowd!
Jack and Co.
> > > I don't think I can...Moloch/Baphomet? Or is it a Harvey Fierstein
> > > joke? You just want to be loved, is that so wrong?
> >
> > Faggot is another word for kindling. Kindling is used in torches. Therefore, he'd have a flaming faggot on
> > his shoulder.
>
> So it IS a Harvey Fierstein joke!
*Punches Harvey Fierstein into Google.* Ah. Right. Don't say gay. I said gay. Gay!
> > > > You do not need to take a lord. That's what the 0 part in 0-1 means. You
> > > > can take none, or one, but no more than one, unless with multiple
> > > > detachments.
> > >
> > > Thanks for telling me this. I'm feeling good about the list now,
> > > provided I order it before the prices rise in a few days. I love
> > > holiday money.
> >
> > Start buying second hand. Trust me, it's worth it. Got 50 Chaos minis for $50 one time...
>
> I'm taking that to heart. I just missed out on a Havoc squad for $13
> and a Wych box for $9.95. Ebay: where the poor suckers of the world
> find out how low resale value can be.
Amen, brothuh!
You can pay more in shipping than in cost of item, though...
> > > I'm pretty sure I'm doing the Blood Claws/Berzerkers thing now. I'm
> > > going to have to figure how to chop up the Witch Elf command too. I
> > > smell epoxy in my future. And I'm not too thrilled to pay $40 for two
> > > Rhinos. Anyone know of cheap model kits I could cover with Chaos bits
> > > and fake it for now?
> >
> > Well, you can buy cheap rubber tanks with boxes of plastic soldiers. Ya get a free trank turret too. And
> > they don't look *too* bad. Well, actually they look quite bad.
> >
> > Octavulg, but they're a hell of a lot cheaper than GW Rhinos...
>
> True. I had these memories of $5 snap-tite model kits, which seem to
> be a thing of the distant past now. I'd better proxy for now, though,
> cause GW's prices shoot way the hell up in two hours.
Paper Rhinos, as the great f.o.g suggested, are a gift from god. And once I dig out those tank kits, we shall see
how they work as transports, after a nice coat of paint. That, and my landspeeder plus cheapass plane kit as
hover transport...
After all, if I can make a good looking Space Marine biker out of a Tac Squad marine and an Orky bike, I can do
anything. But now I need more marines for my tac squads.
Octavulg, hoping he can make it into town before heading back to school, cause getting GCM shipped to school is a
painful idea...
Jack and Co.
> army list. I just posted this guy over on Dakka, dumb jokes and all,
> so beware that it might be reiterating if you read them both.
>
> I don't know that I'm get to use these guys as a 500 point list, the
> local 40K club I stumbled into doesn't go that low.
Offer a 250 pt match. Watch them turn green.
Besides, if they aren't willing to do a 500 point game with you once, then
they're probably assholes.
> Maybe I'll build
> some cityfight terrain and force them to do 500-each multi-army rubble
> fights. Pink & white urban camo, baby.
You're recreating the Village?
> =HQ=
>
> Chaos Lieutenant Bunny - 45
> w/ bp, pw, frag grens - 17
> Daemonic Fire - 5 Total: 67
I think it's beautiful.
> Also added the daemonic fire, seemed better than a bolt pistol (which
> I'd like to keep for the extra assault attack, is it legal to have two
> ranged attacks? I know I can't use them both in one shooting phase).
Buy a CCW instead of the BP. Thus, you save a point. Huzzah! And still
get the assault attacks, I might add.
> =TROOPS=
>
> Assault Squad Bubbles
> 6 Chaos Marines - 84
> 5 bp/ccw
> 1 upgrade to Asp. Champ - 13
> w/ bp & pw - 11
> frag grenades - 6
> Rhino w/ extra armor - 55 Total: 169
>
> Notes: Just out of curiosity, do marines keep their given weapons when
> they upgrade to Aspiring champs? If they do I might drop Lt. Bunny's
> fire and giving one of these guys a flamer. Fire bad, templates good!
I've always thought they did. They do when upgraded to Veteran
Sergeants. Let Bunny keep his fire. Drop the AC down to a normal marine,
use the points to buy another marine for Peaches and a flamer for
Bubbles. There *might* be enough points left over for a little something
special for Bunny.
> Assault Squad Peaches
> 5 Chaos Marines - 70
> 4 bp/ccw
> 1 melta - 10
> frag grenades - 5
> Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
>
> Notes: While it may look as if I haven't touched these guys, I've
> secretly switched the marines we normally use with Folger's
> crystals.**
The best part of waking up, is Chaos in your cup...
> Total points: 500
> Models in army: 18
> Vehicles: 2
> Number of hours I've spent on ebay looking for secondhand marine &
> chaos marauder sprues: I'm not telling. It's embarrassing.
How many of those hours were looking at the *other* website you had up in
the background?
> I've been told here that two rhinos in a 500 point army are a big
> points sink...pretty much every marine list I see has a comment
> advocating a rhino for every squad. Anyone want to chime in before I
> drop $50?
Print a paper Rhino, see how the list plays. If it works, consider buying
another Rhino.
And, BTW, take others advice over mine, as I have nil expereince with a
Chaos army. Hey, I'm buying cheap and infrequently, and in a lousy place
for gaming.
Octavulg
Mr. X, CPA
> Besides, if they aren't willing to do a 500 point game with you once, then
> they're probably assholes.
Don't worry, I'll win them over by offering them drugs. Hey, then
they won't be able to handle anything other than a 500 point game.
I'm the freakin' man.
> > Maybe I'll build
> > some cityfight terrain and force them to do 500-each multi-army rubble
> > fights. Pink & white urban camo, baby.
>
> You're recreating the Village?
If they were women it'd be the village. Men who wear pink camo live
in CHelsea and bench 350 well into their forties. They're like
Vikings except they only pillage each other.
Uh, and if that was a reference to The Prisoner, please forgive me.
> > =HQ=
> >
> > Chaos Lieutenant Bunny - 45
> > w/ bp, pw, frag grens - 17
> > Daemonic Fire - 5 Total: 67
>
> I think it's beautiful.
Thanks, I made it myself.
That's like the third time I've used that joke on Usenet.
> > Also added the daemonic fire, seemed better than a bolt pistol (which
> > I'd like to keep for the extra assault attack, is it legal to have two
> > ranged attacks? I know I can't use them both in one shooting phase).
>
> Buy a CCW instead of the BP. Thus, you save a point. Huzzah! And still
> get the assault attacks, I might add.
BPs are only 1 point, bolters are two. But I appreciate the
sentiment. I also might make the switch cause I'm thinking about
using one of the Mordheim Sisters to represent her.
> > Notes: Just out of curiosity, do marines keep their given weapons when
> > they upgrade to Aspiring champs? If they do I might drop Lt. Bunny's
> > fire and giving one of these guys a flamer. Fire bad, templates good!
>
> I've always thought they did. They do when upgraded to Veteran
> Sergeants. Let Bunny keep his fire. Drop the AC down to a normal marine,
> use the points to buy another marine for Peaches and a flamer for
> Bubbles. There *might* be enough points left over for a little something
> special for Bunny.
I think you're right--37 points on an Aspiring Champ seems like
overkill.
> > Assault Squad Peaches
> > 5 Chaos Marines - 70
> > 4 bp/ccw
> > 1 melta - 10
> > frag grenades - 5
> > Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 140
> >
> > Notes: While it may look as if I haven't touched these guys, I've
> > secretly switched the marines we normally use with Folger's
> > crystals.**
>
> The best part of waking up, is Chaos in your cup...
Chaos: good to the bitter end.
I'm not going to say "last drop" in the context of a Slaanesh army,
it's just nasty.
> > Number of hours I've spent on ebay looking for secondhand marine &
> > chaos marauder sprues: I'm not telling. It's embarrassing.
>
> How many of those hours were looking at the *other* website you had up in
> the background?
But I read it for the articles!
> Print a paper Rhino, see how the list plays. If it works, consider buying
> another Rhino.
I'd totally forgotten about those. I'm making one out of cardboard
today.
> And, BTW, take others advice over mine, as I have nil expereince with a
> Chaos army. Hey, I'm buying cheap and infrequently, and in a lousy place
> for gaming.
Well, crap.
Thanks for all the advice, and be sure to rent Torch Song Trilogy.
Harvey Fierstein awaits!
X
RGMW Dictator
> I don't know that I'm get to use these guys as a 500 point list, the
> local 40K club I stumbled into doesn't go that low. Maybe I'll build
> some cityfight terrain and force them to do 500-each multi-army rubble
> fights.
Some people, myself included, just haven't played a small game in so
long that they don't know how to make a small list anymore.
> Pink & white urban camo, baby.
Excellent.
> =HQ=
>
> Chaos Lieutenant Bunny - 45
> w/ bp, pw, frag grens - 17
> Daemonic Fire - 5 Total: 67
I'd get something instead of demonic fire. Think about Demonic Visage
as it costs the same and would be more effective for a hth character.
George Worroll
<snip>
Is this the Mr X wrestling weenie? or someone else who happened to
choose the same nick?
fog
ctrav...@hotmail.com says...
No no. That's Mr. One. This fella's legit.
I was ready to jump him the first time I saw him, too.
--
b
FAQ at www.rgmw.org - Just do it.
Mr. X, CPA
>
> > I don't know that I'm get to use these guys as a 500 point list, the
> > local 40K club I stumbled into doesn't go that low. Maybe I'll build
> > some cityfight terrain and force them to do 500-each multi-army rubble
> > fights.
>
> Some people, myself included, just haven't played a small game in so
> long that they don't know how to make a small list anymore.
I completely understand, especially after revising my list about
eighty times. It's hard to know what to pick when you've got such a
small margin of error. I can't really aford to start a bigger army,
and I want to make sure I actually like the game before I drop more
than $100 on it.
Cardboard rhinos, man. Thanks to Fog.
> > Pink & white urban camo, baby.
>
> Excellent.
I don't know that my painting skills are up to it, but these guys are
gonna be good. I've been thinking about switching Marauders with
Catachans now and making them ravers instead of Ziggy Stardust He-Man
soldier...probably not gonna happen.
> > =HQ=
> >
> > Chaos Lieutenant Bunny - 45
> > w/ bp, pw, frag grens - 17
> > Daemonic Fire - 5 Total: 67
>
> I'd get something instead of demonic fire. Think about Demonic Visage
> as it costs the same and would be more effective for a hth character.
Yeah, I was just scared about making him too specialized...if he's
gonna be palling around with the melta squad and they've got two MLs
supporting he probably doesn't need to be too shooty.
I'm also probably dropping the Aspiring Champ for a flamer, another
marine in the Lord's squad, and maybe something else if I can find
anything that just costs three points (maybe those stupid krak
grenades will end up back in, who knows.
Anyhoo, thx for the advice. Like my abbreviation? I'm so 733+ it
actually hurts.
X
PS - !!1!1
fog
CPA, vedi...@yahoo.com says...
> rgm...@yahoo.com (RGMW Dictator) wrote in message news:<d97881e8.03010...@posting.google.com>...
> > vedi...@yahoo.com (Mr. X, CPA) wrote in message news:<422163c4.03010...@posting.google.com>...
> > Some people, myself included, just haven't played a small game in so
> > long that they don't know how to make a small list anymore.
>
> I completely understand, especially after revising my list about
> eighty times. It's hard to know what to pick when you've got such a
> small margin of error. I can't really aford to start a bigger army,
> and I want to make sure I actually like the game before I drop more
> than $100 on it.
Smart move. Some games just aren't for everyone. I pre-ordered Epic40K
and was severely disappointed for my efforts. Now, before I buy
anything, I reasearch it as thoroughly as possible or have already
played the game (with friends) and know I like it.
> Cardboard rhinos, man. Thanks to Fog.
Happy to help.
George Worroll
>In article <c2gj1vkehfvenjeor...@4ax.com>, George Worroll,
>ctrav...@hotmail.com says...
>> On 5 Jan 2003 10:42:35 -0800, vedi...@yahoo.com (Mr. X, CPA) wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> Is this the Mr X wrestling weenie? or someone else who happened to
>> choose the same nick?
>
>No no. That's Mr. One. This fella's legit.
>
>I was ready to jump him the first time I saw him, too.
Ok... Surprised me, that idiot posting useful stuff...
To Mr X- You may want to consider changing your nick, it is quite
similar to one of our annoying trolls. Someone who doesn't check in
here constantly may see it and automatically flame you.
Mr. X, CPA
> I was ready to jump him the first time I saw him, too.
I'll take that as a compliment.
Oh, you mean kick my ass. I thought you were really feeling the power of Slaanesh.
...
fog
Both, actually.
Mr. X, CPA
> Smart move. Some games just aren't for everyone. I pre-ordered Epic40K
> and was severely disappointed for my efforts. Now, before I buy
> anything, I reasearch it as thoroughly as possible or have already
> played the game (with friends) and know I like it.
I don't think I'm going to be a hardcore gamer, but I'm eager to get
modelling (ebay Marauders, come to X...yessssss).
> > Cardboard rhinos, man. Thanks to Fog.
>
> Happy to help.
I just built one. It was actually the most fun I've had with an
exacto knife since...well, probably the most ever.
Hey, here's a wacky question. I'm pretty sure if I bump this up to
750 or 1000 I'll be adding a dread (I have a great but simple
conversion in mind--the secret words are "harlequin jetbike"). I see
a lot of people singing the praises of the Plasma cannon/ccw combo,
but Noise Marine dreads get the option of TL Sonic Blasters. Is that
a worthwhile choice? I figured three rerollable shots per turn might
be worth the blast template, but then again, I'm still confused by S
and AP (I know there are tables, I'm rereading 'em, I swear). I just
figured it'd be fluffy and fun to bash this together. I'm iffy on the
noise marine weapon models, I'm thinking I'll make them out of Dark
Eldar splinter stuff...nothing like untested ambition, eh?
Thanks,
X
fog
>
>
> > Smart move. Some games just aren't for everyone. I pre-ordered Epic40K
> > and was severely disappointed for my efforts. Now, before I buy
> > anything, I reasearch it as thoroughly as possible or have already
> > played the game (with friends) and know I like it.
>
>
> I don't think I'm going to be a hardcore gamer, but I'm eager to get
> modelling (ebay Marauders, come to X...yessssss).
>
>
> > > Cardboard rhinos, man. Thanks to Fog.
> >
> > Happy to help.
>
> I just built one. It was actually the most fun I've had with an
> exacto knife since...well, probably the most ever.
There's another site, "Clouseau's Corner" (don't have the link handy),
in which he does some fantastic vehicle conversions and a scratch-built
Rhino that looks like a mini-Land Raider. Beaut.
> Hey, here's a wacky question. I'm pretty sure if I bump this up to
> 750 or 1000 I'll be adding a dread (I have a great but simple
> conversion in mind--the secret words are "harlequin jetbike"). I see
> a lot of people singing the praises of the Plasma cannon/ccw combo,
> but Noise Marine dreads get the option of TL Sonic Blasters. Is that
> a worthwhile choice? I figured three rerollable shots per turn might
> be worth the blast template, but then again, I'm still confused by S
> and AP (I know there are tables, I'm rereading 'em, I swear).
S and AP are easy to differeniate.
Just remember it's S vs Toughness (See chart for wounding rolls) to see
if you wound a model.
AP (Armor penetration) is really nothing more than classifying what
weapons will negate which types of armor; meaning that AP5 (say a
bolter) will go through an Ork's armor (save of 6+) so, the Ork won't
get an armor save if the bolter shot manages to wound him).
If that same bolter is used against a Striking Scorpion (Armor Save 4+)
and wounds, then the Striking Scorpion would get an Armor Save roll of 4
or better.
Then there's shots on vehicles. Against a vehicle, if you hit it, you
take the S of the weapon and add a d6 roll to it (Multi-meltas at 1/2
range get 2d6). If the sum equal the armor value (AV) of the vehicle it
is a Glancing hit. If the sum is greater than AV it is a penetrating
hit (See appropriate charts for damage).
> I just
> figured it'd be fluffy and fun to bash this together.
Fluff is good. Many people will forego the obvious "Big Bang" weapons
and units in diferance to fluff. Definately nothing wrong with that.
> I'm iffy on the noise marine weapon models,
The new ones? They rock, dude!
> I'm thinking I'll make them out of Dark
> Eldar splinter stuff...nothing like untested ambition, eh?
Good luck on that one...
I dunno know about the T-L Sonic Blasters, as I don't have the new
codex, yet. If GW hasn't changed them, they'd be ok to use. I,
personally, prefer the Plasma Cannon because of its AP and Light Armor
killing capabilities.
Someone here just recently posted a butt-load of WFB/40K sites in the
last week or so (can't find the thread...) If I remember correctly, one
of them was an all-dread site with alot of conversion ideas. It'd be
worth finding.
M Roberts
>
> > > Cardboard rhinos, man. Thanks to Fog.
> >
> > Happy to help.
>
> I just built one. It was actually the most fun I've had with an
> exacto knife since...well, probably the most ever.
>
Not exactly related, and of more use to Fantasy than 40k I'd have thought,
but if you like tinkering with cardboard models, try the working trebuchet,
courtesy of http://www.fryerskits.demon.co.uk/
Cheers, Martyn
Mister X
> > I just built one. It was actually the most fun I've had with an
> > exacto knife since...well, probably the most ever.
>
> There's another site, "Clouseau's Corner" (don't have the link handy),
> in which he does some fantastic vehicle conversions and a scratch-built
> Rhino that looks like a mini-Land Raider. Beaut.
I've actually been checking that site out all winter (I've been thinking
about this for a few months). It's been down for redesign, I'll poke around
and see if the Raider's up.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to mine own work of corrugated genius. Yes,
you are supposed to see the pencil marks from the template, you sheep. I'm
laying bare the process! It's deconstruction! ART FOR BREAKFAST!
REVOLUTION!
> Just remember it's S vs Toughness (See chart for wounding rolls) to see
> if you wound a model.
This part I've actually gotten now, after I wrote that I thought "It can't
be that hard" and reread it. The AP thing still confounded me (cause I'm
dumb like that) until your explanation.
> AP (Armor penetration) is really nothing more than classifying what
> weapons will negate which types of armor; meaning that AP5 (say a
> bolter) will go through an Ork's armor (save of 6+) so, the Ork won't
> get an armor save if the bolter shot manages to wound him).
> If that same bolter is used against a Striking Scorpion (Armor Save 4+)
> and wounds, then the Striking Scorpion would get an Armor Save roll of 4
> or better.
>
> Then there's shots on vehicles. Against a vehicle, if you hit it, you
> take the S of the weapon and add a d6 roll to it (Multi-meltas at 1/2
> range get 2d6). If the sum equal the armor value (AV) of the vehicle it
> is a Glancing hit. If the sum is greater than AV it is a penetrating
> hit (See appropriate charts for damage).
>
> > I just
> > figured it'd be fluffy and fun to bash this together.
>
> Fluff is good. Many people will forego the obvious "Big Bang" weapons
> and units in diferance to fluff. Definately nothing wrong with that.
I'm a fan. That's why I put PLENTY of Berzerkers in my EC army. That's
what we're supposed to do, right? Yeah?
> > I'm iffy on the noise marine weapon models,
>
> The new ones? They rock, dude!
You're right, they are pretty cool. I just wanted something more like a
cheeebag death metal band would use...like I said before, unchecked ambition
backed by questionable skill. I'll probably give up.
> > I'm thinking I'll make them out of Dark
> > Eldar splinter stuff...nothing like untested ambition, eh?
>
> Good luck on that one...
I'm actually thinking SBs from flamers or Ork assault weapons & gargoyle
heads, the Blastmasters from two DE rifles. Well, I'll try it once and see
if I like it. I did that with raquetball too, that paddle's collecting
dust.
> I dunno know about the T-L Sonic Blasters, as I don't have the new
> codex, yet. If GW hasn't changed them, they'd be ok to use. I,
> personally, prefer the Plasma Cannon because of its AP and Light Armor
> killing capabilities.
The SB is just like a souped up bolter, S4 AP5 but it's Assault 2 ("riffs")
or Heavy 3 ("solo"). I figured that'd be good anti-infantry stuff on a
dread, though if it's probably going to be up against a lot of other marines
it might be better just to take the plasma and melt the armored pricks.
Man, does that phrase conjure up an image. Slaanesh in full F-ECT, y'all.
> Someone here just recently posted a butt-load of WFB/40K sites in the
> last week or so (can't find the thread...) If I remember correctly, one
> of them was an all-dread site with alot of conversion ideas. It'd be
> worth finding.
That's probably Josh's Dread Archive, which I stumbled on a few weeks back.
It's superfly.
http://www.mactire.com/joshua/gw/list/index.html
This guy here's my current fave:
http://www.mactire.com/joshua/gw/list/chaos_44.html
Any clue how to make those joints on the limbs? Tank wheel sprue?
...
Mister X
"M Roberts" <unk...@this.address.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Cardboard rhinos, man. Thanks to Fog.
> > >
> > > Happy to help.
> >
> > I just built one. It was actually the most fun I've had with an
> > exacto knife since...well, probably the most ever.
> >
>
> Not exactly related, and of more use to Fantasy than 40k I'd have thought,
> but if you like tinkering with cardboard models, try the working
trebuchet,
> courtesy of http://www.fryerskits.demon.co.uk/
It's not only interesting, it's practical as well.
"Damn, that clock is coo--crap, I just got a drop of water on it. Time to
order another."
Trebuchet is the word of the day--a bunch of hard-drinking, bartending
chicks I know saw a PBS special about building one and were all abuzz. It's
like that room for one more story.
X
Mister X
"Mister X" <vedi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This guy here's my current fave:
>
> http://www.mactire.com/joshua/gw/list/chaos_44.html
>
> Any clue how to make those joints on the limbs? Tank wheel sprue?
Never mind, right here it says the upper body's made from scratch. Damnit.
X, who likes shortcuts
fog
vedi...@yahoo.com says...
> > in which he does some fantastic vehicle conversions and a scratch-built
> > Rhino that looks like a mini-Land Raider. Beaut.
>
> I've actually been checking that site out all winter (I've been thinking
> about this for a few months). It's been down for redesign, I'll poke around
> and see if the Raider's up.
Oh gawd. Change your handle back. I'm almost positive you're giving
several people here seizures with Mr. X. Or better yet, go with
"vedicpunk" like in your address. There'll be no mistaking you then.
Let me know when Clouseau comes back on. I've got a ton of work to do
before GenCon '03 and I don't want to be slapping "Rhinos" together
while driving up to Indianapolis :)
> I'm sure it pales in comparison to mine own work of corrugated genius. Yes,
> you are supposed to see the pencil marks from the template, you sheep. I'm
> laying bare the process! It's deconstruction! ART FOR BREAKFAST!
> REVOLUTION!
You're scarey. I like that in a newbie.
> > Just remember it's S vs Toughness (See chart for wounding rolls) to see
> > if you wound a model.
>
> This part I've actually gotten now, after I wrote that I thought "It can't
> be that hard" and reread it. The AP thing still confounded me (cause I'm
> dumb like that) until your explanation.
And some folks say I'm not very helpful...
<SNIPPAGE>
> > > I just
> > > figured it'd be fluffy and fun to bash this together.
> >
> > Fluff is good. Many people will forego the obvious "Big Bang" weapons
> > and units in diferance to fluff. Definately nothing wrong with that.
>
> I'm a fan. That's why I put PLENTY of Berzerkers in my EC army. That's
> what we're supposed to do, right? Yeah?
Khornites are my perferred Chaos forces. There's just something
appealing about the notion of death for death's sake.
> > > I'm iffy on the noise marine weapon models,
> >
> > The new ones? They rock, dude!
>
> You're right, they are pretty cool. I just wanted something more like a
> cheeebag death metal band would use...like I said before, unchecked ambition
> backed by questionable skill. I'll probably give up.
Never give up. Never surrender.
If you convert something and don't like it, try something else.
Experimentation is part of the process, and (if you're like me) not
everything works the first time around.
<SNIP stuff on T-L silly Slaaneshi thing>
> That's probably Josh's Dread Archive, which I stumbled on a few weeks back.
> It's superfly.
>
> http://www.mactire.com/joshua/gw/list/index.html
Yep. That's the one.
> This guy here's my current fave:
>
> http://www.mactire.com/joshua/gw/list/chaos_44.html
>
> Any clue how to make those joints on the limbs? Tank wheel sprue?
You talking about the round things at the "shoulder socket"? That's
standard on the metal dread models. The Plasma Cannon is very nice for
a conversion. I wonder what he used for it.
Veni Vedi Vedicpunk
Sometimes the horse just ain't dead enough...Bunny's Beauties, v.3.0
=HQ=
Chaos Lieutenant Bunny - 45
w/ bolt pistol, frag grenades, and power weapon - 17
Daemonic Visage (Grr!) - 5 Total: 67
=TROOPS=
Assault Squad Bubbles
6 Chaos Marines - 84
5 bp/ccw, 1 flamer - 6
frag grenades - 6
Rhino w/ extra armor - 55 Total: 151
Assault Squad Peaches
6 Chaos Marines - 84
4 bp/ccw
1 melta - 10
frag grenades - 6
Rhino w/ armor - 55 Total: 155
=HEAVY SUPPORT=
Havoc Squad Toots
6 Havocs - 84
4 bolters
2 missile launchers - 40 Total: 124
Total points: 497
Models: 19
Vehicles: 2
Models I'm building them out of: CSM Berzerkers with head swaps. Probably
High Elf Archer & Chaos Warrior heads (there's that $1.50 sprue with just
the six heads...that ain't too shabby). I also thought about the Catachan
sprue for heads & bare arms instead of the wooly Chaos Marauders, I don't
know...I must meditate on it. <gong>
I'm also going to very lightly convert the Sigmarite novices from Mordheim &
maybe the Catachan Grenade launcher chick (can you say "Vasquez?").
Lt. Bunny will probably be a DE Succubus with a CSM pack & pistol graft.
I'm not going to model anything for the Daemonic Visage. I'm sure no one
will ask but just in case they do I'll say that enemies are so shamed by her
fantastic abs that they must flee to catch up on their crunches.
X