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Iazy rune

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every other
post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a hideously
effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years and
im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe

MadMaxx

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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Oh boy
*puts on super exoskeletal armor (+2 unmod BTW) and prepares for the flames*

First..
Eldar are cool. It is not wise to fuck an eldar, because you will find that the larger half are men
=-Åž besides...he/she (if you are luck) may descide to put a few shurikens through you for even
attempting it.

Second..
If you cant stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. dont like it, dont read it. Whining and
bitching will get you nowhere fast.

MadMaxx


|==========================
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|Thats right.....lets dance"
| *Devil's Dance*
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J.S. Turner

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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:38:20 GMT, mad...@mindspring.com (MadMaxx)
wrote:

>iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) insanely wrote:
>
>>fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every other
>>post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a hideously
>>effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years and
>>im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
>>eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe
>
>Oh boy
>*puts on super exoskeletal armor (+2 unmod BTW) and prepares for the flames*
>
>First..
>Eldar are cool. It is not wise to fuck an eldar, because you will find that the larger half are men
>=-Åž besides...he/she (if you are luck) may descide to put a few shurikens through you for even
>attempting it.
>
>Second..
>If you cant stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. dont like it, dont read it. Whining and
>bitching will get you nowhere fast.
>

Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
house rather suspect.

BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)

8^P

Kevin Mann

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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Boy it's gonna be fun to watch this thread explode......

Iazy rune (iazy...@aol.com) wrote:
> fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every other
> post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a hideously
> effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years and
> im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
> eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe


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MadMaxx

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ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:38:20 GMT, mad...@mindspring.com (MadMaxx)
>wrote:
>

>>iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) insanely wrote:
>>
>>>fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every other
>>>post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a hideously
>>>effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years and
>>>im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
>>>eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe
>>

>>Oh boy
>>*puts on super exoskeletal armor (+2 unmod BTW) and prepares for the flames*
>>
>>First..
>>Eldar are cool. It is not wise to fuck an eldar, because you will find that the larger half are men
>>=-Åž besides...he/she (if you are luck) may descide to put a few shurikens through you for even
>>attempting it.
>>
>>Second..
>>If you cant stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. dont like it, dont read it. Whining and
>>bitching will get you nowhere fast.
>>
>
>Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>house rather suspect.
>
>BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
>they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
>
>8^P

I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a child. he might rush into
things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley" hehe..

SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a day...

Cardinal Lazarus

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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, MadMaxx wrote:

> iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) insanely wrote:
>
> >fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every other
> >post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a hideously
> >effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years and
> >im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
> >eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe
>
> Oh boy
> *puts on super exoskeletal armor (+2 unmod BTW) and prepares for the flames*
>
> First..
> Eldar are cool. It is not wise to fuck an eldar, because you will find that the larger half are men

> =-Þ besides...he/she (if you are luck) may descide to put a few shurikens through you for even


> attempting it.
>
> Second..
> If you cant stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. dont like it, dont read it. Whining and
> bitching will get you nowhere fast.
>

> MadMaxx
>
I'd have to agree with you on this MadMaxx. It seems RuNe has gone back to
his devious, moronic ways. Not as if it were unexpected, but it's pretty
pathetic. Thank god I don't seem to get any of his posts though, cause
even without reading them, they still reek like crap. Then again, from the
mouth of RuNe spews unbelievable bullcrap.
-Brian

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WulfGott

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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Don't worry about them Pointy Eared cowards. We Space Wulves regularly half a space Elf dinner. They
kinda taste like chicken.


Wulf


MadMaxx wrote:

> iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) insanely wrote:
>
> >fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every other
> >post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a hideously
> >effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years and
> >im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
> >eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe
>
> Oh boy
> *puts on super exoskeletal armor (+2 unmod BTW) and prepares for the flames*
>
> First..
> Eldar are cool. It is not wise to fuck an eldar, because you will find that the larger half are men

> =-Åž besides...he/she (if you are luck) may descide to put a few shurikens through you for even


> attempting it.
>
> Second..
> If you cant stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. dont like it, dont read it. Whining and
> bitching will get you nowhere fast.
>
> MadMaxx
>

> |==========================
> |________MADMAXX_________
> |"Com'mon com'mon now take a chance
> |Thats right.....lets dance"
> | *Devil's Dance*
> | M-E-T-A-L-L-I-C-A 4 EVER
> |------------------------------
> | UIN#-1308341
> | mad...@mindspring.com
> |==========================

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bring down the "masters".

However those who are "masters" were
once "warriors", and those who are
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I am one of them, but I am not always
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There is a third class, known as the
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Demian Rose

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
> >with would be the eldar,

OK, let's all take a deep breath and read this statement one more
time with a discerning eye...notice anything wierd about it?

demian :)


D

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MadMaxx wrote:

> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:

> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex

> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
> >house rather suspect.

> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)

> >8^P

> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley" hehe..

This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)

> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a day...

Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
Armor with wings." :>
--
D
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D

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WulfGott wrote:

> Don't worry about them Pointy Eared cowards. We Space Wulves regularly > half a space Elf dinner. They kinda taste like chicken.

PLEASE tell me that you didn't just admit to eating Eldar! *ewww*

(There are more . . . subtle ways to go about it - like saying you got
to 'third base' or something like that.) ;)

WulfGott

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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Hell YA! Me and my wolves have eaten Eldar. But not the way you were thinking. If we did that, we would remove our power armour, and
Virus bomb ourselves.

We first tie'm to a large BBQ spit. Then we start a huge bon-fire. Followed by a slow roasting of them (baste-every 20-30 minutes with
ork juice).

after about an hour, they are done. but you have to be careful of those little sharp disks. occasionally there are a few left on the
bodies. and the Mesh armour makes a nice crunching sound when stripped off of the wings.

Eldar Mmmm Good.

(Recipe Barrowed from Inquisitor Octavius)

Wulfgott Heim


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WulfGott

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Dec 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/18/97
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Lost me there....


Wulf


Iazy rune wrote:

> >Don't worry about them Pointy Eared cowards. We Space Wulves regularly half a
> >space Elf dinner. They
> >kinda taste like chicken.
>

> And we Chaos regularly have space wolves in the first spot to be hit on the
> black crusade, mine anywayz -=) -RaGexRuNe

kurt

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Iazy rune wrote in message
<19971218175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>fuck the eldar!!!!!! no offense to anyone who plays them but damn..every
other
>post is about the eldar! look....we all know that the eldar have a
hideously
>effective and unfair army list but please....they've been around for years
and
>im sure im not the only person getting sick of EVERY OTHER post being about
>eldar. Chow.. -RaGexRuNe
>

The only time you ever open your mouth is to change feet, right?

Kurt

nasri andreas hajj

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ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) writes:

>On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:38:20 GMT, mad...@mindspring.com (MadMaxx)
>wrote:

[stuff deleted]

>Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>house rather suspect.

What about those stuntie wimmin'? They got...uh...beards.

- Nasri.


Iazy rune

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Iazy rune

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>MadMaxx wrote:
>
>> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:
>
>> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>> >house rather suspect.
>
>> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
>> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
>
>> >8^P
>
>> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
>child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
>hehe..
>
>This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
>
>> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a
>day...
>
>Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
>since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
>Armor with wings." :>
>--
>D
>(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
>
>
>

Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
xRuNe

Rivendell Commune

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In article <67ckn2$5je$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, n-h...@staff.uiuc.edu (nasri
andreas hajj) wrote:

> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
> >house rather suspect.

As the Commander of a company of rather well proportioned and firm
buttocked Ultramarines, I can assure you that everything is above board.
Which is to say that there are no need for suspicions, as the Brothers are
very open about their relationships with each other. And, my company does
include a squad of female Assault troops, named Squad Ellis, after a good
dyke friend of mine.

And even if the Imperium were homophobic (which i doubt, as same sex
couples have little chance of child production, which must be a plus in a
very overpopulated Imperium), I think Daemonic Possesion, Tyranid Invasion
and Paying Tax are far more important considerations.

Who says that politics and wargaming don't mix ;-)

David (who is very curious about what kind of threads/flames this post may
generate)

PS And yes, the Eldar women are very cute. We bisexuals have so much fun ;-)

--
David Hollingworth

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I am fetal distress,
I am the random chromosome,
I am complete and total madness...
I am fear." - The Crow, J. O'barr

Del Webb

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Iazy rune <iazy...@aol.com> wrote:
> Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this
before it
> all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature
just
> independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar
lovers
> and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal.
-RaGe
> xRuNe
>

I think she was referring to MadMaxx; he _does_ end his posts with "hee
hee", or rather, "heheh". It's easy to get confused with these long
threads.

It's ironic, really; Rage posts a message about how he hates seeing all of
these posts about Eldar, and ends up starting one himself. I love the
net...

BTW, I'm actually with you on this one, Rage. I'm getting sick of half the
newsgroup being Eldar threads. Of course, I don't like it when half the
newsgroup is "Space Wolf" threads, or "GW Sucks" threads, or "Avatar and
Lascannon" threads, or even "Rage Sucks" threads. But I also don't expect
it to stop anytime soon. After all, the bandwagon is so comfy, and
everyone we know is there...

Besides, if we didn't bitch, there'd be no newsgroup. :}

PS - I wouldn't take the "mere child" comment too seriously. He was being
facetious to go along with the "Huhuhuhuh, Space Marines having sex, huhuh,
cool" motif.

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Kirk Macdonald

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Iazy rune wrote:
> >MadMaxx wrote:
> >> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:
> >
> >> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
> >> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
> >> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
> >> >house rather suspect.
> >
> >> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
> >> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
> >
> >> >8^P
> >
> >> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
> >child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
> >hehe..
> >
> >This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
> >
>snip
> >--
> >D

>
> Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee".

She wasn't talking about you; read the thread. There was another post
from MadMaxx that ended with "hehe...".

> Geez please lets drop this before it
> all blows up again like last time.

And as for having the whole thing blow up, you might have thought of
that before you posted that worthless, inflamatory, rude post that
started this thread.

> Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
> independant minded.

If you are "quite mature", you might think about ramifications and
repercussions before you hit that "Send" button.

> I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
> and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
> xRuNe

I have a hard time imagining any insults that wouldn't be taken
personally. Isn't that the nature of an insult?

I have one word for you: THINK!

--
Kirk Macdonald
Reply to : hag...@gte.net

"Woof! Woof! That's my other dog imitation."
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These are my own opinions and do not reflect those of The Boeing Co.

Cardinal Lazarus

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On 19 Dec 1997, Iazy rune wrote:

> >MadMaxx wrote:
> >
> >> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:
> >
> >> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
> >> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
> >> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
> >> >house rather suspect.
> >
> >> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
> >> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
> >
> >> >8^P
> >
> >> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
> >child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
> >hehe..
> >
> >This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
> >

> >> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a
> >day...
> >
> >Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
> >since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
> >Armor with wings." :>
> >--
> >D
> >(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
> >
> >
> >
>

> Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
> all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
> independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers


> and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
> xRuNe
>
>

You might want to pay attention to exactly who wrote what. I know, that
might be a stretch, but it was the guy BEFORE MadMaxx, that MadMaxx was
referring too, which also incidently wasn't you. And it's probably a good
idea to stop posting anything along the lines of "I hate *******" in the
future, cause it will get out of hand. Coupled with the bad spelling and
punctuation, it's just a poster child for hate mail. And people will take
it personal to an extent. Personal in the fact that it's stupid to post
stuff like this (and you'll will get that sort of responce). So, what you
might want to do Mr. Mature, is think before you post, and then show
people that you're smarter than you've proven yourself to be. That's the
end of that.

Iazy rune

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>Iazy rune wrote:
>> >MadMaxx wrote:
>> >> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>> >> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>> >> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>> >> >house rather suspect.
>> >
>> >> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
>> >> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
>> >
>> >> >8^P
>> >
>> >> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but
>a
>> >child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong
>alley"
>> >hehe..
>> >
>> >This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
>> >
>>snip
>> >--
>> >D

>>
>> Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee".
>
>She wasn't talking about you; read the thread. There was another post
>from MadMaxx that ended with "hehe...".
>
>> Geez please lets drop this before it
>> all blows up again like last time.
>
>And as for having the whole thing blow up, you might have thought of
>that before you posted that worthless, inflamatory, rude post that
>started this thread.
>
>> Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
>> independant minded.
>
>If you are "quite mature", you might think about ramifications and
>repercussions before you hit that "Send" button.
>
>> I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
>> and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal.
>-RaGe
>> xRuNe
>
>I have a hard time imagining any insults that wouldn't be taken
>personally. Isn't that the nature of an insult?
>
>I have one word for you: THINK!
>
>--
>Kirk Macdonald
>Reply to : hag...@gte.net
>
>"Woof! Woof! That's my other dog imitation."
> -- Oddball
> Kelly's Heros
>
>These are my own opinions and do not reflect those of The Boeing Co.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do except
pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary" types. Well
mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post wrong. I
realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave me
alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be sitting
there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont have
anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the first
place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be going off
soon >=) -RaGexRuNe

The Gray Family

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Iazy rune wrote:

> Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
> all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
> independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers


> and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
> xRuNe

Try to hold off on the flamethrowers, but surely, considering the conent
of this thread. the phrase "lovers" was mischosen... :P
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Rivendell Commune wrote:
>
> In article <67ckn2$5je$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, n-h...@staff.uiuc.edu (nasri
> andreas hajj) wrote:

Snip 'Gay Marines' and 'Sex with Eldar' posts

Okay, whoever keeps an archive of RGMW humour should get this lot now
(even the 'roast Eldar' bits) :)

D

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Cardinal Lazarus wrote:


> On 19 Dec 1997, Iazy rune wrote:

> > >MadMaxx wrote:
<snip>

> > >> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
> > >> child. he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
> > >> hehe..

> > >This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)

> > >> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a
> > >> day...

> > >Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
> > >since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
> > >Armor with wings." :>

> > Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it


> > all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
> > independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
> > and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
> > xRuNe

> You might want to pay attention to exactly who wrote what. I know, that


> might be a stretch, but it was the guy BEFORE MadMaxx, that MadMaxx was
> referring too, which also incidently wasn't you.

You're too kind, Brian - we know who Maxie was talking to.

> And it's probably a good
> idea to stop posting anything along the lines of "I hate *******" in the
> future, cause it will get out of hand.

Noooo kidding - only someone who is ignorant or wants to cause some
friction will post something like "Wolves are CHEEZY" or something like
that.

> Coupled with the bad spelling and
> punctuation, it's just a poster child for hate mail. And people will take
> it personal to an extent. Personal in the fact that it's stupid to post
> stuff like this (and you'll will get that sort of responce). So, what you
> might want to do Mr. Mature, is think before you post, and then show
> people that you're smarter than you've proven yourself to be. That's the
> end of that.

But Brian, don't you understand? The entire world revolves around me -
it begins with me and ends with me! Anything you say that differs from
what I think means that _you're_ the one with the problem - not me!
Gawd, I know all there is to know - why are you trying to bore me with
your foolish opinions?

*sigh*

Super Dave

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D <haki...@spamicidesprintmail.com> wrote in article
<3499F2DD...@spamicidesprintmail.com>...

> WulfGott wrote:
>
> > Don't worry about them Pointy Eared cowards. We Space Wulves regularly
> half a space Elf dinner. They kinda taste like chicken.
>
> PLEASE tell me that you didn't just admit to eating Eldar! *ewww*
>
> (There are more . . . subtle ways to go about it - like saying you got
> to 'third base' or something like that.) ;)
> --
> D
> (Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
>

Bloody hell! What kind of mind can twist a hidden perverse meaning from
simple, honest canniblism?

Some people... :)

superdave
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UIN: 1751797
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----------------------------------------
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And we own
The Night
- Warmaster horus, before the assault on the Imperial Palace
------------------------------

Super Dave

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J.S. Turner <ave...@flash.net> wrote in article

>
> BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
> they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
>
> 8^P
>

Or maybe not sure whether the SOBs _were_ female... I mean we know how good
the imperium is at genetic manipulation and bio-enhancement surgury so it
kind of makes you wonder...

MadMaxx

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iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) insanely wrote:

>>MadMaxx wrote:
>>
>>> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:
>>
>>> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>>> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>>> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>>> >house rather suspect.
>>

>>> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
>>> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
>>
>>> >8^P
>>

>>> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
>>child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
>>hehe..
>>
>>This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
>>
>>> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a
>>day...
>>
>>Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
>>since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
>>Armor with wings." :>

>>--
>>D
>>(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
>>
>>
>>
>

>Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
>all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
>independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
>and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
>xRuNe

That was directed at me hehe..
I just laugh alot, it goes back to my early mercnet days.... nevermind.

Just for that D...NO XMAS MARINE FOR YOU!
and NO SOUP EITHER!
>=-)

MadMaxx

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da...@ia.com.au (Rivendell Commune) insanely wrote:

>In article <67ckn2$5je$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, n-h...@staff.uiuc.edu (nasri

>andreas hajj) wrote:
>
>> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>> >house rather suspect.
>

>As the Commander of a company of rather well proportioned and firm
>buttocked Ultramarines, I can assure you that everything is above board.
>Which is to say that there are no need for suspicions, as the Brothers are
>very open about their relationships with each other. And, my company does
>include a squad of female Assault troops, named Squad Ellis, after a good
>dyke friend of mine.
>
>And even if the Imperium were homophobic (which i doubt, as same sex
>couples have little chance of child production, which must be a plus in a
>very overpopulated Imperium), I think Daemonic Possesion, Tyranid Invasion
>and Paying Tax are far more important considerations.
>
>Who says that politics and wargaming don't mix ;-)
>
>David (who is very curious about what kind of threads/flames this post may
>generate)
>
>PS And yes, the Eldar women are very cute. We bisexuals have so much fun ;-)
>
>--
>David Hollingworth
>
>"I am pilot error,
>I am fetal distress,
>I am the random chromosome,
>I am complete and total madness...
>I am fear." - The Crow, J. O'barr

No female orkz, ya know something got to be up..
WAAAAGH (sorry if I dint spell it right) <--- whats the TRUE origin of this? >=->

Dont forget...they like to build "experimental machines"

Look what this sick and twisted game has done to me! ;)

MadMaxx

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iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) insanely wrote:

>>Don't worry about them Pointy Eared cowards. We Space Wulves regularly half a
>>space Elf dinner. They
>>kinda taste like chicken.
>

>And we Chaos regularly have space wolves in the first spot to be hit on the
>black crusade, mine anywayz -=) -RaGexRuNe
>
>

HA HA HA!!
HE HE HE
HO HO HO (merry chistmas!)

oh wait, that wasnt funny.

Help! ive been lost in the relm of rune and I cant get out!

MadMaxx
"of the things ive ever lost I miss my mind the most" -OZZY OSBORNE :)

D

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MadMaxx wrote:

<snip>

> That was directed at me hehe..
> I just laugh alot, it goes back to my early mercnet days.... nevermind.

> Just for that D...NO XMAS MARINE FOR YOU!
> and NO SOUP EITHER!
> >=-)

*Boo hoo hooo!* *sob* Please oh please oh please oh please oh please
(repeat ad infintium) - that Xmas Marine would be the perfect present
for my friend!

(Lookie here! I'm groveling! *grovel grovel grovel*) :)

Now could you sell it? Please oh please oh please oh please (to the
infinite power).

pommyb

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Iazy rune <iazy...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971219171...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...


> >Iazy rune wrote:
> >> >MadMaxx wrote:
> >> >> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:

<snip>

> Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do
except
> pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary"
types. Well
> mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post
wrong. I
> realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
> really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave
me
> alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be
sitting
> there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont
have
> anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the
first
> place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be
going off
> soon >=) -RaGexRuNe
>

Why is it that all your posts/threads seem to turn out this way? I just
can't do it, myself, and I would like to know why you think it's so fun.
What other reason could there be? Just use less inflamatory language,
don't insult people if you can possibly help it, and things will turn out
fine. And you might make a small effort to correct your spelling and
grammar. It's not a life or death thing, but if you sound smart, people
might start to think you're smart. As long as you try to improve, I have
no problem, because that's all any of us can do.
Nick Wong

D

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pommyb wrote:

> Iazy rune <iazy...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19971219171...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

<snip>

> Why is it that all your posts/threads seem to turn out this way? I just
> can't do it, myself, and I would like to know why you think it's so fun.
> What other reason could there be? Just use less inflamatory language,
> don't insult people if you can possibly help it, and things will turn out
> fine. And you might make a small effort to correct your spelling and
> grammar. It's not a life or death thing, but if you sound smart, people
> might start to think you're smart. As long as you try to improve, I have
> no problem, because that's all any of us can do.

'Tis a noble effort, Nick, but futile - trying to use reason has been
extremely ineffective so far, so it's best just to ignore it. Don't
waste your breath (and bandwidth) on those kinds of posts. Just a
little friendly advice.

Nonsuch

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On 19 Dec 1997 05:18:17 GMT, iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) wrote:

>>MadMaxx wrote:
>>
>>> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:
>>

>>> >Out of all the 40K races, the only one I would consider having sex
>>> >with would be the eldar, as they are proven to have females. I don't
>>> >know about you but I find 1000+ men all living together in a chapter
>>> >house rather suspect.
>>

>>> >BTW, I am still not sure the the SOBs are female. If they are I doubt
>>> >they are hetero (see space marine arguement above)
>>
>>> >8^P
>>
>>> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
>>child. > he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
>>hehe..
>>
>>This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
>>
>>> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a
>>day...
>>
>>Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
>>since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
>>Armor with wings." :>

>>--
>>D
>>(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
>>
>>
>>
>

>Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
>all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...

Wow! rune's not a "mear" child! I assume mear means
intelligent, witty, fun to be with, and cool in general.

>im quite mature just independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
>and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
>xRuNe

Hey, look! RuNe said something funny! He's learning! It may
have seemed impossible, but yet it occurs anyway.


Daniel E. Quattrone
DNRC Member, Lord of Giant Radioactive Sea Creatures that
Destroy Tokyo, Minister of Locales Containing Small Piles of
Not Less Than Three but No More than Six Rocks, Lord of Evil
and Darkness and Cute Fuzzy Bunnies, and all-around great guy.
Minister of Long Signatures With No Point
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.
Heisenburg probably rules.
The worst thing about censorship is [deleted].
"What is it about the Gates of Hell that inspires people to brilliantly walk into them?"

Nonsuch

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On 19 Dec 1997 17:12:08 GMT, iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) wrote:
>Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do except
>pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary" types. Well
>mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post wrong. I
>realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
>really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave me
>alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be sitting
>there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont have
>anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the first
>place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be going off
>soon >=) -RaGexRuNe

Where did he say he was a fat middle aged man? Hey Kirk, are
you? He never schooled you in the correct use of vocabulary, although
it would certainly be good for someone to. All he did was point out
that you need to think before you act. Odd, friendly advice doesn't
seem to be taken nicely anymore. Also, I find it very ironic that you
tell him to grow up. That's really the pot calling the kettle black.
And we do have better to do.

Nonsuch

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>I have one word for you: THINK!

Of course, RuNe has problems with those five-letter words.
Seriously, I agree with you on all points.

Nonsuch

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On 20 Dec 1997 04:45:44 GMT, "pommyb" <pom...@gte.net> wrote:

>Iazy rune <iazy...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19971219171...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>> >Iazy rune wrote:
>> >> >MadMaxx wrote:
>> >> >> ave...@flash.net (J.S. Turner) insanely wrote:

><snip>


>
>> Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do
>except
>> pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary"
>types. Well
>> mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post
>wrong. I
>> realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
>> really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave
>me
>> alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be
>sitting
>> there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont
>have
>> anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the
>first
>> place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be
>going off
>> soon >=) -RaGexRuNe
>>

> Why is it that all your posts/threads seem to turn out this way? I just
>can't do it, myself, and I would like to know why you think it's so fun.

Because he's lower than a catfish on the evolutionary ladder?
Because he's incapable of reason, logic, and complex thoughts?

>What other reason could there be? Just use less inflamatory language,
>don't insult people if you can possibly help it, and things will turn out
>fine. And you might make a small effort to correct your spelling and
>grammar. It's not a life or death thing, but if you sound smart, people
>might start to think you're smart. As long as you try to improve, I have
>no problem, because that's all any of us can do.

> Nick Wong

Good points.

Nonsuch

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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:14:52 -0800, D
<haki...@spamicidesprintmail.com> wrote:
>But Brian, don't you understand? The entire world revolves around me -
>it begins with me and ends with me! Anything you say that differs from
>what I think means that _you're_ the one with the problem - not me!
>Gawd, I know all there is to know - why are you trying to bore me with
>your foolish opinions?
>
>*sigh*
>--
>D
>(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)

Actually, according to the theory of relativity, everyone can
claim that he (or she) is absolutely motionless and everything moves
relative to him (or her). Therefore, everything revolves around
everybody. But me primarily.

Cardinal Lazarus

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On 19 Dec 1997, Iazy rune wrote:

> >> Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee".
> >> Geez please lets drop this before it
> >> all blows up again like last time.

> >> Im not a mear child...im quite mature just


> >> independant minded.
> >> I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
> >> and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal.
> >-RaGe
> >> xRuNe
>

> Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do except
> pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary" types. Well
> mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post wrong. I
> realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
> really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave me
> alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be sitting
> there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont have
> anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the first
> place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be going off
> soon >=) -RaGexRuNe
>

I hope you read this post RuNe, cause you've got a lot to learn about the
world. I snipped everything except your posts for a reason, to show you
why people have a problem with you. See? You say one thing, then you say
something that totally contradicts what you wrote earlier. You make like
you want thinks to settle down, and then you totally go off when someone
even remotedly remarks about you. That is not a sign of maturity or
stating your mind, it's a sign of stupidity and immaturity. Now, I for one
feel that you may honestly be above that, but time and again I've been
proven wrong. So, hopefully you will take a moment to think about this,
think about your posting, and just let the crap go on by. You want things
to end RuNe? This is how you stop it, and it's also how you grow up.

Cardinal Lazarus

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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, The Gray Family wrote:

> Iazy rune wrote:
>
> > Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
> > all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
> > independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
> > and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
> > xRuNe
>

> Try to hold off on the flamethrowers, but surely, considering the conent
> of this thread. the phrase "lovers" was mischosen... :P
>

Hi, my name is Brian.

*Hi Brian*

I'd just like to say that, I'm... uh, I'm... ah, I'm an Eldar lover and
I'm not afraid to admit it....

*boohoohoohoo*

Tom Beliech

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Super Dave wrote:
>
> D <haki...@spamicidesprintmail.com> wrote in article
> >
> > PLEASE tell me that you didn't just admit to eating Eldar! *ewww*
> >
> > (There are more . . . subtle ways to go about it - like saying you got
> > to 'third base' or something like that.) ;)
> > --
> > D
> > (Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
> >
>
> Bloody hell! What kind of mind can twist a hidden perverse meaning from
> simple, honest canniblism?
>
> Some people... :)
>
> superdave

Yeah, D! Just for that, I fully expect you to write out a New Strategy
Card that details your "vision" of putting more Fear of Slaanesh into
the Eldar mind...

Of course, if you really need help, I'm sure someone would assist with
the revision process.

Tom Beliech (When's the Pound O' Flesh (tm) gonna be, er, extracted?)

Green Eggs and Hamlet

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Iazy rune (iazy...@aol.com) animadverted:

: Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do except


: pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary" types. Well
: mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post wrong. I
: realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
: really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave me
: alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be sitting
: there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont have
: anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the first
: place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be going off
: soon >=) -RaGexRuNe

Piss.

--
Andrew Breecher.
ham...@eznet.net -- http://home.eznet.net/~hamlet

"To sleep - perchance to dream"

Snickerdoodle

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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, D wrote:

> Cardinal Lazarus wrote:
>
> > On 19 Dec 1997, Iazy rune wrote:
>

> > > >MadMaxx wrote:
> <snip>


>
> > > >> I didnt say you should do em..just said be careful (remeber..rune is but a
> > > >> child. he might rush into things too fast and wind up "up the wrong alley"
> > > >> hehe..
>
> > > >This coming from the fella who ends most posts with "hee hee" - ;)
>
> > > >> SOBs...ya goto wonder about women who where that power armor 24 hours a
> > > >> day...
>
> > > >Well, the SoB's don't receive the rank of 'Seraphim' until puberty,
> > > >since that would be the 'period' of time that they need the new "Power
> > > >Armor with wings." :>
>

> > > Uh.....i dont end my posts with "hee hee". Geez please lets drop this before it
> > > all blows up again like last time. Im not a mear child...im quite mature just
> > > independant minded. I apologize for any hard feelings against any eldar lovers
> > > and would really like to drop this before any insults are taken personal. -RaGe
> > > xRuNe
>

> > You might want to pay attention to exactly who wrote what. I know, that
> > might be a stretch, but it was the guy BEFORE MadMaxx, that MadMaxx was
> > referring too, which also incidently wasn't you.
>
> You're too kind, Brian - we know who Maxie was talking to.
>

Next you'll be telling me that I'm such a sweetheart and would make any
woman happy to be with me... oh wait, I shouldn't have said that should I?
:)

> > And it's probably a good
> > idea to stop posting anything along the lines of "I hate *******" in the
> > future, cause it will get out of hand.
>
> Noooo kidding - only someone who is ignorant or wants to cause some
> friction will post something like "Wolves are CHEEZY" or something like
> that.
>

I think the entire point of that thread was just to get attention. Which
it did, but the bad kind of attention. Then again, maybe RuNe doesn't
care.

> > Coupled with the bad spelling and
> > punctuation, it's just a poster child for hate mail. And people will take
> > it personal to an extent. Personal in the fact that it's stupid to post
> > stuff like this (and you'll will get that sort of responce). So, what you
> > might want to do Mr. Mature, is think before you post, and then show
> > people that you're smarter than you've proven yourself to be. That's the
> > end of that.
>

> But Brian, don't you understand? The entire world revolves around me -
> it begins with me and ends with me! Anything you say that differs from
> what I think means that _you're_ the one with the problem - not me!
> Gawd, I know all there is to know - why are you trying to bore me with
> your foolish opinions?
>
> *sigh*
> --
> D
>

Cute D, almost make a guy feel like he's the most important thing on the
world and then you spring that trap. :) Of course, some guys like the
psychopaths and high maintenance type. Then again, some of us like to go
hunt cute fuzzy animals with large caliber weapons. Funny how that works
out?

D

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Snickerdoodle wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, D wrote:

<snip>

> > You're too kind, Brian - we know who Maxie was talking to.

> Next you'll be telling me that I'm such a sweetheart and would make any
> woman happy to be with me... oh wait, I shouldn't have said that should I?
> :)

*grin* Reeaally cute there, fella. :) What's up with the new handle?
(Confused me a bit at first.)

> > > And it's probably a good
> > > idea to stop posting anything along the lines of "I hate *******" in the
> > > future, cause it will get out of hand.

> > Noooo kidding - only someone who is ignorant or wants to cause some
> > friction will post something like "Wolves are CHEEZY" or something like
> > that.

> I think the entire point of that thread was just to get attention. Which
> it did, but the bad kind of attention. Then again, maybe RuNe doesn't
> care.

*koff* 'It' _doesn't_ care - over these past few weeks, it's become
totally obvious that whozits only cares about getting attention and
acknowledgement - which 'it' won't be getting from me (if I can help
myself).

> > > Coupled with the bad spelling and
> > > punctuation, it's just a poster child for hate mail. And people will take
> > > it personal to an extent. Personal in the fact that it's stupid to post
> > > stuff like this (and you'll will get that sort of responce). So, what you
> > > might want to do Mr. Mature, is think before you post, and then show
> > > people that you're smarter than you've proven yourself to be. That's the
> > > end of that.

> > But Brian, don't you understand? The entire world revolves around me -
> > it begins with me and ends with me! Anything you say that differs from
> > what I think means that _you're_ the one with the problem - not me!
> > Gawd, I know all there is to know - why are you trying to bore me with
> > your foolish opinions?

> > *sigh*

> Cute D, almost make a guy feel like he's the most important thing on the


> world and then you spring that trap. :)

Ahh, the previous response was intended to show 'its' attitude - but
with a little work, that response _could_ be mine. ;)

> Of course, some guys like the
> psychopaths and high maintenance type. Then again, some of us like to go
> hunt cute fuzzy animals with large caliber weapons. Funny how that works
> out?

I'm NoT CraZy!! ;)
--
D
(I'm more sane than you are, nyah nyah!)

Snickerdoodle

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On 22 Dec 1997, Iazy rune wrote:

> Actually, over the past few weeks i havent been an asshole to anyone. I havent
> done anything stupid like posting HTML crap, i havent insulted anyone, and i
> havent tried to get any attention with this post being the first exception. I
> wrote this whole eldar thing because i was in a bad mood from something that
> happened that day and my bad mood influenced my decisions as you can see. Like
> i said, i apologize and would be more than happy to drop it all but please dont
> insult me. -RaGexRuNe
>
This all depends on what you think being a pain is. And you know what? It
really doesn't matter, cause this is other individuals opinions of you,
and they'll respond in said manner. If you want to stop being considered a
pain, don't post this sort of thing in the future. I think people have
tried to be more than fair with you RuNe, but you're going out of your way
to be a bit of trouble. If you're having a bad day, don't post. It tends
to cut down on the crap you face in a week or so. If you need to post,
then wait an hour until you actually post the message, and read it before
you post it. That will cut down on problem as well. Like I said before,
I'm just trying to be helpful. but you have to do the work, not me.

Snickerdoodle

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On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, D wrote:

> Snickerdoodle wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, D wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > > You're too kind, Brian - we know who Maxie was talking to.
>
> > Next you'll be telling me that I'm such a sweetheart and would make any
> > woman happy to be with me... oh wait, I shouldn't have said that should I?
> > :)
>
> *grin* Reeaally cute there, fella. :) What's up with the new handle?
> (Confused me a bit at first.)
>

Hehe, now it's the "cute" thing. Sometimes it sucks being called cute :)
Oh, the new handle is just for kicks really. I felt like changing it, and
I finally figured out what to change it to. I get bored with the same old
handle eventually, so I play around with it from time to time.

> > > > And it's probably a good
> > > > idea to stop posting anything along the lines of "I hate *******" in the
> > > > future, cause it will get out of hand.
>
> > > Noooo kidding - only someone who is ignorant or wants to cause some
> > > friction will post something like "Wolves are CHEEZY" or something like
> > > that.
>
> > I think the entire point of that thread was just to get attention. Which
> > it did, but the bad kind of attention. Then again, maybe RuNe doesn't
> > care.
>
> *koff* 'It' _doesn't_ care - over these past few weeks, it's become
> totally obvious that whozits only cares about getting attention and
> acknowledgement - which 'it' won't be getting from me (if I can help
> myself).
>

I couldn't agree with you more on this D.

> > > > Coupled with the bad spelling and
> > > > punctuation, it's just a poster child for hate mail. And people will take
> > > > it personal to an extent. Personal in the fact that it's stupid to post
> > > > stuff like this (and you'll will get that sort of responce). So, what you
> > > > might want to do Mr. Mature, is think before you post, and then show
> > > > people that you're smarter than you've proven yourself to be. That's the
> > > > end of that.
>
> > > But Brian, don't you understand? The entire world revolves around me -
> > > it begins with me and ends with me! Anything you say that differs from
> > > what I think means that _you're_ the one with the problem - not me!
> > > Gawd, I know all there is to know - why are you trying to bore me with
> > > your foolish opinions?
>
> > > *sigh*
>
> > Cute D, almost make a guy feel like he's the most important thing on the
> > world and then you spring that trap. :)
>
> Ahh, the previous response was intended to show 'its' attitude - but
> with a little work, that response _could_ be mine. ;)
>

Of course, I was just playing D. Then again, I run into groups of people
who share this attitude and it can be a bit unnerving.

> > Of course, some guys like the
> > psychopaths and high maintenance type. Then again, some of us like to go
> > hunt cute fuzzy animals with large caliber weapons. Funny how that works
> > out?
>
> I'm NoT CraZy!! ;)

You're not? You just keep losing your appeal D. Insanity is so much more
fun than normalicy. Besides, I was trying to point out how guys can be
just as weird as the opposite sex that seems weird as well.

> --
> D
> (I'm more sane than you are, nyah nyah!)
>

Of this, I have no doubt in the slightest. I'm probably the craziest
person I know, and my other personalities agree with me as well :)

Iazy rune

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>Snickerdoodle wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, D wrote:
><snip>
>
>> > You're too kind, Brian - we know who Maxie was talking to.
>
>> Next you'll be telling me that I'm such a sweetheart and would make any
>> woman happy to be with me... oh wait, I shouldn't have said that should I?
>> :)
>
>*grin* Reeaally cute there, fella. :) What's up with the new handle?
>(Confused me a bit at first.)
>
>> > > And it's probably a good
>> > > idea to stop posting anything along the lines of "I hate *******" in
>the
>> > > future, cause it will get out of hand.
>
>> > Noooo kidding - only someone who is ignorant or wants to cause some
>> > friction will post something like "Wolves are CHEEZY" or something like
>> > that.
>
>> I think the entire point of that thread was just to get attention. Which
>> it did, but the bad kind of attention. Then again, maybe RuNe doesn't
>> care.
>
>*koff* 'It' _doesn't_ care - over these past few weeks, it's become
>totally obvious that whozits only cares about getting attention and
>acknowledgement - which 'it' won't be getting from me (if I can help
>myself).
>
>> > > Coupled with the bad spelling and
>> > > punctuation, it's just a poster child for hate mail. And people will
>take
>> > > it personal to an extent. Personal in the fact that it's stupid to post
>> > > stuff like this (and you'll will get that sort of responce). So, what
>you
>> > > might want to do Mr. Mature, is think before you post, and then show
>> > > people that you're smarter than you've proven yourself to be. That's
>the
>> > > end of that.
>
>> > But Brian, don't you understand? The entire world revolves around me -
>> > it begins with me and ends with me! Anything you say that differs from
>> > what I think means that _you're_ the one with the problem - not me!
>> > Gawd, I know all there is to know - why are you trying to bore me with
>> > your foolish opinions?
>
>> > *sigh*
>
>> Cute D, almost make a guy feel like he's the most important thing on the
>> world and then you spring that trap. :)
>
>Ahh, the previous response was intended to show 'its' attitude - but
>with a little work, that response _could_ be mine. ;)
>
>> Of course, some guys like the
>> psychopaths and high maintenance type. Then again, some of us like to go
>> hunt cute fuzzy animals with large caliber weapons. Funny how that works
>> out?
>
>I'm NoT CraZy!! ;)
>--
>D
>(I'm more sane than you are, nyah nyah!)
>
>(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Actually, over the past few weeks i havent been an asshole to anyone. I havent

twinfire

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Iazy rune <iazy...@aol.com> wrote in article

<19971222041...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> >Snickerdoodle wrote:

> >
>
> Actually, over the past few weeks i havent been an asshole to anyone. I
havent
> done anything stupid like posting HTML crap, i havent insulted anyone,
and i
> havent tried to get any attention with this post being the first
exception. I
> wrote this whole eldar thing because i was in a bad mood from something
that
> happened that day and my bad mood influenced my decisions as you can see.
Like
> i said, i apologize and would be more than happy to drop it all but
please dont
> insult me. -RaGexRuNe

Truthfully, RuNe has been posting some good advice and insigtfull stuff
latly.
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We exist only to fight-not to win, but to preserve the eternal struggle
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Josef Addleman

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>Actually, over the past few weeks i havent been an asshole to anyone. I havent
>done anything stupid like posting HTML crap, i havent insulted anyone, and i
>havent tried to get any attention with this post being the first exception. I
>wrote this whole eldar thing because i was in a bad mood from something that
>happened that day and my bad mood influenced my decisions as you can see. Like
>i said, i apologize and would be more than happy to drop it all but please dont
>insult me. -RaGexRuNe

Actually, I've been noticing the improvement in the quality of rage's
posts, both in content, and even in grammar (somewhat). So,
congratulations to you, rage, keep up the intelligent posts. Now, I'm
sure I'm not the only one who's noticed this and gained a little bit
of respect, so you don't have to post replies to us saying what a good
boy you've been. If anyone says anything negative about you, either
it's a joke, and you should laugh with it, or it's real criticism, in
which case you should take it seriously and do what it says, not post
back and argue with it. Now, note that I am not criticizing you at the
moment, kind of the opposite, so don't feel you have to write
something telling me I'm wrong. Just keep up the half-decent posting.
-Josef


Meridian

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Dec 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/23/97
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twinfire wrote:
>
> Iazy rune <iazy...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19971222041...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> > >Snickerdoodle wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> > Actually, over the past few weeks i havent been an asshole to anyone. I
> havent
> > done anything stupid like posting HTML crap, i havent insulted anyone,
> and i
> > havent tried to get any attention with this post being the first
> exception. I
> > wrote this whole eldar thing because i was in a bad mood from something
> that
> > happened that day and my bad mood influenced my decisions as you can see.
> Like
> > i said, i apologize and would be more than happy to drop it all but
> please dont
> > insult me. -RaGexRuNe
> Truthfully, RuNe has been posting some good advice and insigtfull stuff
> latly.

Sure. But how many times has this pinhead said "I'm sorry, I won't do it
again"?

Plenty.

--
Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

Kirk Macdonald

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Dec 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/23/97
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Nonsuch wrote:
>
> On 19 Dec 1997 17:12:08 GMT, iazy...@aol.com (Iazy rune) wrote:
> >Ah....so we have another "im a fat middle age man with nothing to do except
> >pick on a teenager and school him in the correct use of vocabulary" types. Well
> >mister....im so sorry for not using words correctly and reading a post wrong. I
> >realize that everytime i do not talk correctly and read correctly that it
> >really hurts you so bad that you must insult me. Grow up man...and leave me
> >alone. Dont pick a fight with someone who doesnt shut up.....you'll be sitting
> >there reading and typing bullshit for quite some time....but hey you dont have
> >anything else better to do right? thats why u replied to my post in the first
> >place.....all oncomers are welcomed...some heavy flamers are gonna be going off
> >soon >=) -RaGexRuNe
>
> Where did he say he was a fat middle aged man? Hey Kirk, are
> you? He never schooled you in the correct use of vocabulary, although
> it would certainly be good for someone to. All he did was point out
> that you need to think before you act. Odd, friendly advice doesn't
> seem to be taken nicely anymore. Also, I find it very ironic that you
> tell him to grow up. That's really the pot calling the kettle black.
> And we do have better to do.
>
> Daniel E. Quattrone
<snip>

Well, I'm 41 (That's not middle-aged yet is it?) and I have lost some of
my Buff-days tone due to a motorcycle accident back injury but I'm not
fat, and I do have plenty to do beside picking on losers; but being a
father of 3 I have to tell "stupid" when it's being stupid or else it
will never know any better and will never learn the error of it's ways.
I don't want my kids to end up like "that".

I never corrected any grammar or vocabulary all I did was tell someone
to think before posting because the post in question was rude, obnoxious
and inflammatory. Now, someone is telling me to grow up? "Don't pick a
fight with someone who doesn't shut up"? Who needs to grow up here? On
the one hand, this person is whining about how everyone is picking on
him, and then on the other hand, he posts rude insults and then
threatens to continue being rude and flame anyone who has a problem with
his behavior. "Hey, rage, You're on fire! Better throw some more
gasoline on yourself!"

I used to think this person had some redeming qualities and even posted
some suggestions to help him get along with the newsgroup. Everytime I
tried to help, he turned on me and snapped back with a rude comment and
a whine about being picked on. This person is beyond help; you need to
want to learn in order to accept knowledge (or help). Or in the the
butchered words of Bruce Lee: If your glass is full, you can accept no
more. If you think you know everything, you can learn no more. PISS!

Well, I've got better thing to do. I'm going to spend some time painting
with my kids, going to try to stop my sone from kicking my O&G army's
butt with his Lizardmen. Going to cook a Christmas dinner for 11. Got to
string some more lights on the house and bake some sugar cookies with my
kids. Might even head up into the mountains for some sledding. See? I've
got a life! ;)

--
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nuttall

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Between 14 and 16 I played Warhammer 40K and Warhammer. When the box
sets went up to 50 pounds I stopped. It's too expensive for teenagers
to play and if you are over 20 your very sad.

Sorry just my opinion after spending around 500 pounds on my armies and
stuff
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MadMaxx

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nuttall <nut...@nw-m-t-nut.demon.co.uk> insanely wrote:

Whew...I thought we were talking about money here..
Oh wait! DOH! hehe >=-)

Well, i'm already very sad at 16 but looking like im 21 (which hasnt helped me like it should :<)

MadMaxx

Gareth Wilson

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Dec 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/24/97
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MadMaxx wrote: It's too expensive for teenagers

> >to play and if you are over 20 your very sad.
> >
>
> Well, i'm already very sad at 16 but looking like im 21 (which hasnt helped me like it should :<)
>
> MadMaxx

I'm just starting at 21, talk about sad...
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Ryan P Arndt

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nuttall wrote:
>
> Between 14 and 16 I played Warhammer 40K and Warhammer. When the box
> sets went up to 50 pounds I stopped. It's too expensive for teenagers

> to play and if you are over 20 your very sad.

It's only a con if you are paying that price. If you already have the
box, what do you give a sh!t about how much it costs people now. If
you've already collected an army before the prices got too high, you
don't need to go on buying more stuff at the inflated prices.

Any when you've had enough of the game, you can sell your models for
somewhere between what you paid and what they now cost, giving the buyer
a good discount and making a profit.

--
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David Dollarhide

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Dec 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/24/97
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nuttall wrote:

> Between 14 and 16 I played Warhammer 40K and Warhammer. When the box
> sets went up to 50 pounds I stopped. It's too expensive for teenagers
> to play and if you are over 20 your very sad.
>

> Sorry just my opinion after spending around 500 pounds on my armies and
> stuff
> --
> nuttall

Well, if you can't afford it, that's tough. Get a 2nd job. Get a 3rd
job. Do some chores around the house and maybe you'll get an allowance.
Make some money and stop your whining!

If you think I'm going to feel bad because I'm over 20 and pay these high
prices, you're wrong. I make a very good income and it supports my 40k
habit well.

But then again, I had a 2nd job when I was your age and went right into my
career after high school. It's called WORK. It's a fact of life. Get
used to it! ;-)

Dave


Tom Beliech

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Dec 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/24/97
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David Dollarhide wrote:
>
> Well, if you can't afford it, that's tough. Get a 2nd job. Get a 3rd
> job. Do some chores around the house and maybe you'll get an allowance.
> Make some money and stop your whining!

Gee, I'm just SO glad that we've got such a saint here to remind us of
these things. Let's not talk about it, let's not discuss it, let's just
tell everyone to stop whining. I think it's a VERY valid point that he
made - the games ARE too expensive for most folks to get started on! Had
it ALWAYS been this way then maybe you would have a point - but the
massive price increasing didn't begin (at least in the US) until 1993.
Some of us are just lucky enough to have bought most of our stuff BEFORE
that date.

And if you don't like his whining, that's tough. Get off the newsgroup.
Go find your own newsgroup. Find some people who think the way you do
and maybe you'll find someone who agrees with you.

Not a very nice tone when it's directed back at you, is it? Smiley or no
smiley.

> If you think I'm going to feel bad because I'm over 20 and pay these high
> prices, you're wrong. I make a very good income and it supports my 40k
> habit well.

Thank you again for being exactly the target market that GW wants for
justifying its pricing shenanigans

And if you think I feel bad about jumping your case, well, you're wrong.
Turnabout is fair play.

> But then again, I had a 2nd job when I was your age and went right into my
> career after high school. It's called WORK. It's a fact of life. Get
> used to it! ;-)

Well, many of us here, myself included, are ALSO over 20 AND work for a
living AND paid for our own college educations (my parents did not pay
one red cent of my undergraduate and graduate tuition OR room & board)
and STILL think the prices are crap, whether or not we have the money to
pay them. It's called GOUGING THE CUSTOMER, and fact of life or not it's
still bulls**t. I suppose a smiley face is all I'm missing here, so here
it is ;)

Tom Beliech (who isn't impressed by people yelling "get a job", and
doesn't care if this IS a flame. Like I said, Smiley or not, Turnabout
is fair play)

Larry "Liquid" Plummer

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Dec 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/24/97
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any 23 year old beginners out there? With beards even? And two kids and a
wife? didn't think so. 8') I guess I'm alone.

Liquid

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<34A0E4...@student.cantxxxerbury.ac.nz>...
>MadMaxx wrote: It's too expensive for teenagers


>> >to play and if you are over 20 your very sad.
>> >
>>

KAYJAY77

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46 & wife & 3 kids - one of whom got me hooked on the games :)

MadMaxx

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Dec 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/24/97
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All I can say is rock on tom!
:)

I can barely afford this game, I hardly ever buy anything new (31 bucks for a dread? AHHH!)

Lordaerom

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Dec 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/24/97
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One wife or one kid. If you have more than one wife, I don't wanna
know! :p

KAYJAY77 wrote:
>
> 46 & wife & 3 kids - one of whom got me hooked on the games :)

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kurt

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Dec 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/25/97
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MadMaxx wrote in message <34a78200...@news.mindspring.com>...

>
>All I can say is rock on tom!
>:)
>
>I can barely afford this game, I hardly ever buy anything new (31 bucks for
a dread? AHHH!)
>
Come to Australia, GW sells them for $73 here. And you think YOU can't
afford it :)


Merry Xmas everyone!
Kurt

MadMaxx

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Dec 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/25/97
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"kurt" <doo...@msn.com> insanely wrote:

73!!!???

MY GOD!!!
hehe..
Thats got to suck...man...damn GW!

Id lay down the money for a cheap forge, then make my own when ever I want (save alot of money in
the longrun) :)

Meridian

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Dec 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/25/97
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nuttall wrote:
>
> Between 14 and 16 I played Warhammer 40K and Warhammer. When the box
> sets went up to 50 pounds I stopped. It's too expensive for teenagers

> to play and if you are over 20 your very sad.
>
> Sorry just my opinion after spending around 500 pounds on my armies and
> stuff

Josie strikes again.

Ken Ruch

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Dec 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/25/97
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No but I didn't srart playing till I was like 22 with the second
edition, and am still playing and I'm 33 now
Ken


Larry "Liquid" Plummer wrote:
>
> any 23 year old beginners out there? With beards even? And two kids and a
> wife? didn't think so. 8') I guess I'm alone.
>
> Liquid
>

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Aegis

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Dec 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/26/97
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> I can barely afford this game, I hardly ever buy anything new (31 bucks
for a dread? AHHH!)
>
> MadMaxx
>
40$ here in Montréal. Same for a LandSpeeder. For 30$ here, you get
either a Codex or 2 marines on bikes.


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We killed 40 of them. They killed 39 of us. We won.

Aegis

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Dec 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/26/97
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> 40$ here in Montréal. Same for a LandSpeeder. For 30$ here, you get
> either a Codex or 2 marines on bikes.

Mistake here. Not 40$ for a Dread, 49,95$CDN ( Of course, GW will never
make that kind of mistake. )

centu...@hotmail.com

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Dec 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/26/97
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To all

David Dollarhide and Tom Beliech are two sides of the same coin. ON
the one side, we have well-heeled gamers who can afford to indulge in
armies of their choice, in the quantity of their choice. You don't like
the price? Too bad. Get a real job like mine and maybe you can afford
GW's stuff. As for me, I have no problem with GW and their prices or the
way they arrange increases. I feel this just keeps the riff-raff out.

Then there are the guys who think that the prices are outrageous
regardless of the gamer's income. They love the game, but despise the
knick-knacky supplements and the periodic appearance of half-baked
expansions to the game. Really, the Sisters of Battle would have been a
lot better if they had been something more than a spur-of-the-moment
sales gimmick to appeal to the vanishingly small number of women players
out there. And why should I be required to pay US$36 for a Leman Russ
tank when the entire thing isn't worth two bucks in plastic and
cardboard. Money really isn't the point, though. Where do Warhammer
players get off telling the rest of us what we can and cannot put on the
table to represent an Imperial Chimera? Why do I have to paint
everything just so to play in a "real" tournament?

These viewpoints are by no means the only ones. But they are the ones
I see out here the most. I presented myself as willing to help
interested parties install electronic special effects in their WH40K
vehicles. My reason for doing so was because I hated to spend so much
money on a single model, paint it well, and then just have it...sit
there. Unfortunately, the replies have been few and far between.

Those who are interested come in three flavors - some are invariably
consumed by wild visions of electronic marvels which do everything but
dig graves for the defeated foe's miniatures. The talk is almost never
followed up by action. The second type is interested, but hasn't the
time or money to actually perform any work. The last type is intent on
having effects, but know nothing whatever about electronics. I guess I
am supposed to teach them, but I don't see how. They are supposed to pay
for their own changes, but with the prices of the original models
skyrocketing, I don't see how. No wonder no one can really indulge in
this sort of thing.

My reason for dragging my feet on the eight squads of Imperial Guard
troops was because I could not paint them to my liking. A class down at
Discordia Games with Mike McGrath solved that problem for all time. To
think I've not been able to properly drybrush all these years!

Centu...@hotmail.com


> and STILL think the prices are crap, whether or not we have the money to
> pay them. It's called GOUGING THE CUSTOMER, and fact of life or not it's
> still bulls**t. I suppose a smiley face is all I'm missing here, so here
> it is ;)
>
> Tom Beliech (who isn't impressed by people yelling "get a job", and
> doesn't care if this IS a flame. Like I said, Smiley or not, Turnabout
> is fair play)

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Tim Hallman

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Drybrushing is a good starting point, but if you want really good
looking models, you'll need to learn highlighting. After drybrushing
for awhile, you'll be able to see (without drybrushing) where
highlighting should be and why it looks so much better. Have fun.

tim

Andy O'Neill

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
to

In article <34A4B0...@zapcom.net>, Tim Hallman <ch...@zapcom.net>
writes

>Drybrushing is a good starting point, but if you want really good
>looking models, you'll need to learn highlighting. After drybrushing
>for awhile, you'll be able to see (without drybrushing) where
>highlighting should be and why it looks so much better. Have fun.

Drybrushing is a technique, usually used to give the effect of
highlighting.

I suspect he's already highlighting.

Andy O'Neill
Remove the x for email, similar to below
Wargames site at www.l-25.demon.co.uk/index.htm

kurt

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
to

centu...@hotmail.com wrote in message
<883190170....@dejanews.com>...

>To all
>
> David Dollarhide and Tom Beliech are two sides of the same coin. ON
>the one side, we have well-heeled gamers who can afford to indulge in
>armies of their choice, in the quantity of their choice. You don't like
>the price? Too bad. Get a real job like mine and maybe you can afford
>GW's stuff. As for me, I have no problem with GW and their prices or the
>way they arrange increases. I feel this just keeps the riff-raff out.
>

Fuck a duck! I've seen some self interested, holier than thou posts on this
ng but this one really deserves a prize for "I deserve to be purged from the
gene pool". I assume by saying that GW's continuing extortion "keeps the
riff raff out", you lump any serious gamer who may not have an infinite cash
flow into this category.

For example, I have been playing Warhammer and Warhammer 40K since 1989. I
am now 22, and earn over $33K a year. I should be able to buy GW without a
qualm? WRONG. I have a new child and a fiancee to support on that wage,
and with my spare money every week I cannot waste it on figures that have
tripled in price in the last four years.

I used to play Warhammer based on my pocket money. My weekly wage is about
15 times more than that, and I had to give up buying from GW. Why? Because
they are ripping people off.

> Then there are the guys who think that the prices are outrageous
>regardless of the gamer's income. They love the game, but despise the
>knick-knacky supplements and the periodic appearance of half-baked
>expansions to the game.

No shit, I think people have a right to claim prices are outrageous when
Terminators used to cost $10 Aus for a packet of two, and now cost $15 a
piece. Not to mention the massive increase in the price of vehicles such as
Rhinos. And $18Aus for a 24 page Codex (Assassins)? You can get a complete
rules system for only a dollar or two more (Stargrunt).

Really, the Sisters of Battle would have been a
>lot better if they had been something more than a spur-of-the-moment
>sales gimmick to appeal to the vanishingly small number of women players
>out there. And why should I be required to pay US$36 for a Leman Russ
>tank when the entire thing isn't worth two bucks in plastic and
>cardboard. Money really isn't the point, though. Where do Warhammer
>players get off telling the rest of us what we can and cannot put on the
>table to represent an Imperial Chimera? Why do I have to paint
>everything just so to play in a "real" tournament?
>

I think youll find that most players really don't give a damn what you put
on the table, as long as it is close enough to not be a major stretch of the
imagination to remember what it is being a proxy for. Fair enough if you
have a 1/35th scale M1, use it as a Rhino, but don't put down a gretchin and
claim it is an Ogryn. I know someone who uses the Land Raider datafax to
represent it on the table, its pretty close to the right area and has the
picture of the vehicle on it. Apart from the height, its good enough.

GW tournaments are run to showcase their games and attract new players, and
I can respect that. If you have a problem with that, do what everyone else
does and go to another Con.

> These viewpoints are by no means the only ones. But they are the ones
>I see out here the most. I presented myself as willing to help
>interested parties install electronic special effects in their WH40K
>vehicles. My reason for doing so was because I hated to spend so much
>money on a single model, paint it well, and then just have it...sit
>there. Unfortunately, the replies have been few and far between.
>

The way I see it, it would be brilliant to have a remote controlled land
raider with authentic flashing headlights and lascannon, but that is just
making an expensive model even more of a financial drain - especially if you
fuck up.

<snip irrelevant junk>

>> and STILL think the prices are crap, whether or not we have the money to
>> pay them. It's called GOUGING THE CUSTOMER, and fact of life or not it's
>> still bulls**t. I suppose a smiley face is all I'm missing here, so here
>> it is ;)
>>
>> Tom Beliech (who isn't impressed by people yelling "get a job", and
>> doesn't care if this IS a flame. Like I said, Smiley or not, Turnabout
>> is fair play)
>

If you want it spelled out in a language you will understand: anybody,
regardless of income, age, modelling or tactical skill, has a right to be
pissed off at GW for price gouging. If you don't like it, make noise! Look
at Bob Yager, he's pissed off and he'll tell you. If only the suits at GW
had a spark of decency rather than being marketing or management types the
hobby wouldn't be the monetary sinkhole it now is.

Hoping a few more flames are heading in the same direction...

Kurt

centu...@hotmail.com

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
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> > David Dollarhide and Tom Beliech are two sides of the same coin. ON
> >the one side, we have well-heeled gamers who can afford to indulge in
> >armies of their choice, in the quantity of their choice. You don't like
> >the price? Too bad. Get a real job like mine and maybe you can afford
> >GW's stuff. As for me, I have no problem with GW and their prices or the
> >way they arrange increases. I feel this just keeps the riff-raff out.
> >
>
> Fuck a duck! I've seen some self interested, holier than thou posts on this
> ng but this one really deserves a prize for "I deserve to be purged from the
> gene pool". I assume by saying that GW's continuing extortion "keeps the
> riff raff out", you lump any serious gamer who may not have an infinite cash
> flow into this category.
>
> For example, I have been playing Warhammer and Warhammer 40K since 1989. I
> am now 22, and earn over $33K a year. I should be able to buy GW without a
> qualm? WRONG. I have a new child and a fiancee to support on that wage,
> and with my spare money every week I cannot waste it on figures that have
> tripled in price in the last four years.
>
> I used to play Warhammer based on my pocket money. My weekly wage is about
> 15 times more than that, and I had to give up buying from GW. Why? Because
> they are ripping people off.
>

I think you misunderstood when I spoke in the "voice" of the well-to-do
player. I don't feel that way, and never have - I have met players who
do, though. Basically, they are of the opinion that if you can't afford
to play with the big boys, don't complain about the prices. After all,
as one of them said to me, "there are plenty of games out there for you
to play. No one makes you pay the prices or play GW games. This isn't
Little League."

This is the same mindset I have encountered time and again with the
Magci players. This is why I don't play with most of them anymore. It
is littley use to complain about cheese - what's the use of having money
if you cannot buy abn advantage with it? THus, the expensive power
cards. And the expensive miniatures. I do a lot of trading for my WH
models. I've been assembling my army for almost two years, and am
deathly afraid that the damned things will be obsolete by the time I
finally get to field them. And from what I've seen, it just possible
this could happen.

If I bitch about the prices, GW won't care. Thousands find the money
and time to pay. They are the ones driving the demand for the product,
not dweebs like me. No one forces me to play, or makes me spend my rent
money on the latest miniatures. I'm just one more peon who doesn't want
GW to make its well-earned coin. Piss on me for being a whiner.

If I sell off my miniatures and forswear the game forever, GW still
won't care. For each guy like me, there's a thousand fourteen-year-olds
just coming of age this year, eager to spend Mom and Dad's hush money on
the latest gaming equipment and win the race to be cool at the shop
tables. It's just no use.

Sending letters to the GW people might get me a polite laugh, but mostl
likely they have no time to even consider another letter bitching about
their source of income. After so many years scraping by, they are now
one of the hottest games on the market, and they are going to milk it for
all it's worth. How are we going to get attention? By banding together.
But therein lies a danger.

GW is used to dealing with malcontents. They simply ignore the
individuals, and create "trouble" for anyone larger. Shops want nothing
to do with anything remotely like rocking the boat - after all, this is
their bread and butter, and who wants to get cut off?

I guess this newsgroup is the only place left to complain. Too bad it
doesn't do more good...

Centu...@hotmail.com

kurt

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Dec 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/28/97
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centu...@hotmail.com wrote in message
<883257818...@dejanews.com>...
>
>

<snip my over-reaction>


> I think you misunderstood when I spoke in the "voice" of the well-to-do
>player. I don't feel that way, and never have - I have met players who
>do, though. Basically, they are of the opinion that if you can't afford
>to play with the big boys, don't complain about the prices. After all,
>as one of them said to me, "there are plenty of games out there for you
>to play. No one makes you pay the prices or play GW games. This isn't
>Little League."
>

Sorry about that, but I read it as though you were supporting that position.
Guess I better call off the aistrike...


Kurt
Some days, you just feel like Rune...

David Thomas

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Dec 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/28/97
to

In article <01bd124f$25b6df60$ce36edcd@cimsys>, Aegis
<cim...@ntic.qc.ca> writes

> > I can barely afford this game, I hardly ever buy anything new (31 bucks
>for a dread? AHHH!)
>>
>> MadMaxx
>>
>40$ here in Montréal. Same for a LandSpeeder. For 30$ here, you get
>either a Codex or 2 marines on bikes.
>
>

-Guess What? now I'm Here...... 1 normal space ork Goff, with axe and bolt
pistol took out 2 space marines with boltguns in H-T-H combat.(The ork was the
only model left on both sides which survived the battle!).-
David Thomas

David Dollarhide

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Dec 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/29/97
to bad...@southeast.net

Tom Beliech wrote:

> and STILL think the prices are crap, whether or not we have the money to
> pay them. It's called GOUGING THE CUSTOMER, and fact of life or not it's
> still bulls**t. I suppose a smiley face is all I'm missing here, so here
> it is ;)
>
> Tom Beliech (who isn't impressed by people yelling "get a job", and
> doesn't care if this IS a flame. Like I said, Smiley or not, Turnabout
> is fair play)

O.k, Tom, I will admit I came on strong and I don't like flaming so I will tone
it down.

I have been reading this newsgroup for about a month now. I have learned some
new things and also been fairly entertained.

However, the whining is getting ridiculous and cluttering up this newsgroup with
jibberish. Of course, this is only my opinion.

What I'm saying is it's no fun, or enlightening, or entertaining to read these
"too expensive" and "too cheesy" and "too this" and "too that" articles. They
waste my time. The writers sound like babies! Discussing is one thing. So are
constuctive suggestions. But this crying.....it's ridiculous!

I hope you better understand where I'm at and where this came from. I'd be
happy to hear your feedback. If "turnabout" was you only intention, I'd rather
not hear from you. (I don't think this is the case but it's hard to tell with
that last sentace in your e-mail.)

Dave


John Secker

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Dec 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/30/97
to

In article <34A7F227...@netscape.com>, David Dollarhide
<dav...@netscape.com> writes
<snip>

>What I'm saying is it's no fun, or enlightening, or entertaining to read these
>"too expensive" and "too cheesy" and "too this" and "too that" articles. They
>waste my time. The writers sound like babies! Discussing is one thing. So are
>constuctive suggestions. But this crying.....it's ridiculous!
>
I'm afraid you're wasting your time here. For a LOT longer than a month
this newsgroup has been stuffed with this sort of thread. people just
don't seem to get the point that GW is a company with shareholders, and
a requirement to make as much money as possible from their business.
It's not a couple of mates making figures in a garden shed and selling
them for the cost of the metal. If you don't like the price of the
minis, use something else; if you don't want to pay for the rules, play
another game. However I don't expect reality to have any impact on those
here who have made it their life's work to try to get people not to buy
from GW.
--
John Secker

kurt

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Dec 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/30/97
to

David Dollarhide wrote in message <34A7F227...@netscape.com>...

>
>I have been reading this newsgroup for about a month now. I have learned
some
>new things and also been fairly entertained.
>
>However, the whining is getting ridiculous and cluttering up this newsgroup
with
>jibberish. Of course, this is only my opinion.
>
>What I'm saying is it's no fun, or enlightening, or entertaining to read
these
>"too expensive" and "too cheesy" and "too this" and "too that" articles.
They
>waste my time. The writers sound like babies! Discussing is one thing. So
are
>constuctive suggestions. But this crying.....it's ridiculous!
>

Is this RuNe's latest name? If not, he's got a contender for the Newgroups
flame attractant...
You will never escape the "too this and that..." threads that crop up, I
haven't seen them die out in the year or so I have been reading this NG.
Sorry to waste your time, we'll all alter our posting habits to suit you.

Will a thousand apologies suffice?

Who wants to write up a rgmw newbie FAQ??


Kurt
Thinking Netscape may now be muscling in on AOLs "clueless" market share...

David Dollarhide

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Dec 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/30/97
to kurt

kurt wrote:

Hey Kurt,

I have no intention of starting a flame war. As you can see, I am trying very
hard to discuss this without an attitude. I think I am doing a good job, too.
It's very tempting, to retaliate with an attitude "will a thousand...suffice"
you know, that kind of stuff, but I don't. I'm not that type.

However, I do have every right to express my opinion so don't expect me to
stop. Hopefully, we can exchange opinions without the attitude.Dave


Bob Yager

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Dec 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/31/97
to

<snip>

> What I'm saying is it's no fun, or enlightening, or entertaining to read these
> "too expensive" and "too cheesy" and "too this" and "too that"
articles. They
> waste my time. The writers sound like babies! Discussing is one thing.
So are
> constuctive suggestions. But this crying.....it's ridiculous!
>
> I hope you better understand where I'm at and where this came from. I'd be
> happy to hear your feedback. If "turnabout" was you only intention, I'd
rather
> not hear from you. (I don't think this is the case but it's hard to tell with
> that last sentace in your e-mail.)
>
> Dave
You know, Dave, regardless of your intentions, we rally don't need a
self-righteous fucking bigot like you. So, if you don't like the above
topics fucking move on. You come across like a lord with a cob up his
butt. Here is a constructive suggestion for you,

Kiss my white ass and

BOYCOTT GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS!!!!!! OUT OF PRINCIPAL

BOB YAGER

David Dollarhide

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Dec 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/31/97
to Bob Yager

Nice attitude! :-) No, really! I got a great laugh!

Make you feel like a big man to cus someone out via e-mail? I'm sure the group is
impressed. I know I am. It takes alot of guts to type a e-mail like that....
Yeah, right...

Guess the old "takes one to know one" saying holds true!

Have a great holiday and keep up the good spirits!

David

Bob Yager

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Dec 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/31/97
to

In article <34a4e...@139.134.5.33>, "kurt" <doo...@msn.com> wrote:

> centu...@hotmail.com wrote in message
> <883190170....@dejanews.com>...
> >To all

> > David Dollarhide and Tom Beliech are two sides of the same coin. ON
> >the one side, we have well-heeled gamers who can afford to indulge in
> >armies of their choice, in the quantity of their choice. You don't like
> >the price? Too bad. Get a real job like mine and maybe you can afford
> >GW's stuff. As for me, I have no problem with GW and their prices or the
> >way they arrange increases. I feel this just keeps the riff-raff out.

<snip> It is just getting too damn long 8-P


>
> >> and STILL think the prices are crap, whether or not we have the money to
> >> pay them. It's called GOUGING THE CUSTOMER, and fact of life or not it's
> >> still bulls**t. I suppose a smiley face is all I'm missing here, so here
> >> it is ;)

> If you want it spelled out in a language you will understand: anybody,
> regardless of income, age, modelling or tactical skill, has a right to be
> pissed off at GW for price gouging. If you don't like it, make noise! Look
> at Bob Yager, he's pissed off and he'll tell you. If only the suits at GW
> had a spark of decency rather than being marketing or management types the
> hobby wouldn't be the monetary sinkhole it now is.

Way to go, Kurt, I can see I am finally getting thru to some of you on
this issue. I was a bit over the top in my response to that Dollarhide
ninnny, but what the fuck, eh? I have been there. Making the same money,
new wife and kid, very little pocket money, it is tough and the last thing
you want to deal with is some asshole company fucking up a perfectly good
time hobby. I won't embarass myself and others by bragging about what I
make, but to say the least, it is sufficent to support a GW habit if I
still wanted to.
It has been and still remains my major concern over this GW pricing crap
is the price gouging, the unmitigated profiteering and downright arrogance
of Games Workshop and its supporters like Mr. Dollarhide. Hell, where do
you think he hides his money? I bet under his mattress in a smelly olf
sock. Remember,

BOYCOTT GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS!!!!! til their pricing is competetive.

BOB YAGER

kurt

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Jan 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/1/98
to

Bob Yager wrote in message ...
><snip>

>You know, Dave, regardless of your intentions, we rally don't need a
>self-righteous fucking bigot like you. So, if you don't like the above
>topics fucking move on. You come across like a lord with a cob up his
>butt. Here is a constructive suggestion for you,
>
>Kiss my white ass and
>
>BOYCOTT GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS!!!!!! OUT OF PRINCIPAL
>
This extract taken from "Asbestos and Bile: The Bob Yager Guide to
Netiquette"
(c) 1997 Flame publications, all rights abused.

Hey Bob, whatever your drinking, can I have a case? :)


Kurt
*flame on*

Scott McDaniel

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Jan 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/1/98
to

David Dollarhide wrote:
>
> Nice attitude! :-) No, really! I got a great laugh!
>
> Make you feel like a big man to cus someone out via e-mail? I'm sure the group is
> impressed. I know I am. It takes alot of guts to type a e-mail like that....
> Yeah, right...
>
> Guess the old "takes one to know one" saying holds true!
>
> Have a great holiday and keep up the good spirits!

Hear, hear. Let's all keep up the ol' spirit.
And Ladies and gentlemen, let's remember that young folks post and read
here. Let us try to keep it civil.

Scott "E-mail me with hatred and die" McDaniel

K G Gan

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to


Bob Yager wrote:

Way to go, man I am 16, and have a lot of things I'd like to spend money on, and
am sure that everybody (even "Mr Dollarhide") has better things to spend money on,
than to line the pockets of burocracy. How much does the plastic 4 a box of mins
cost, and how much do the mins cost? OK, there's the artist, but if all the
difference goes to the artist, then they're damn rich gits by now.

see ya

Kuzman


emp...@goldenthrone.com

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to

Andy O'Neill <An...@l-25x.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <34A4B0...@zapcom.net>, Tim Hallman <ch...@zapcom.net>
>writes
>>Drybrushing is a good starting point, but if you want really good
>>looking models, you'll need to learn highlighting. After drybrushing
>>for awhile, you'll be able to see (without drybrushing) where
>>highlighting should be and why it looks so much better. Have fun.
>
>Drybrushing is a technique, usually used to give the effect of
>highlighting.
>
>I suspect he's already highlighting.

Is there some sort of miniature painting technique glossary floating
around? How obtuse! :)

Seriously though, Tim, to avoid this sort of confusion I usually say
"work up the highlights" or something along those lines when referring
to painting them without resorting to drybrushing. I *did* know what
you were trying to say when you originally posted...too bad others
couldn't manage likewise.

--Bryan--

John Secker

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to

In article <34ADF4F1...@ihug.co.nz>, K G Gan <ganc...@ihug.co.nz>
writes

> Way to go, man I am 16, and have a lot of things I'd like to spend money on,
>and
>am sure that everybody (even "Mr Dollarhide") has better things to spend money
>on,
>than to line the pockets of burocracy. How much does the plastic 4 a box of mins
>cost, and how much do the mins cost? OK, there's the artist, but if all the
>difference goes to the artist, then they're damn rich gits by now.
No, the difference goes to pay the wages of all the shop guys, and the
shop managers, and the rent on the shops, and the wages of the mail
order people, and the accounts staff, and the delivery people, and the
personnel people, and the office cleaners, and the tax man, and all the
other expenses of a major organisation. Anyway, it's easy to check; GW
is a public company with published, audited accounts. If they were
making astronomical profits, as some here seem to think, then their
annual accounts would show it. But they don't. They make a good steady
profit, not bad, but not unusual for a company their size. That's all
they are, a normal company which has created a nice little market niche
and is pricing its products according to what the market will bear.
--
John Secker

BUG666

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to

centu...@hotmail.com wrote:

> To all

[a huge ass-spankin' SNIP]

...and my reply to , sir, is....
Fuck you too!


Bob Yager

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to

I got a food processor for Xmas and decided to try daiquiris and Pina
Coladas. Damn, they're good with Capn Morgan, Harrrrrr. I just get sick
of seeing these goddamned dogooder crusaders with their hoighty-toighty
cleanup and make nice-nice attitudes. Then he has the unmitigated gall to
attempt a flame on me with the "Big Man and Grow-up" lines then go on like
I'm a fucking teenager. Give the man a box of matches and a couple of
brain cells and send him to the eastern front. Like Meridian says,
Fuck'em..........

BOB YAGER

Bob Yager

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to

Hey, I forgot to check off the email box. But fuck it, I don't resent or
feel bad about a thing I said. As a matter of fact, your dipshit post
kinda makes you sound like another of those optimistich bastards I
detest. Self- righteous get, you running for President too. Gotta to
bring up young folks. I got several of those young people and they look
up to me and are proud of me as their father because I tell it like I see
it without all the sugarcoated bullshit. You want civil, go to
Alt.civil.whiners,

BOYCOTT GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOB YAGER

Tom Beliech

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Jan 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/3/98
to

John Secker wrote:

> No, the difference goes to pay the wages of all the shop guys, and the
> shop managers, and the rent on the shops, and the wages of the mail
> order people, and the accounts staff, and the delivery people, and the
> personnel people, and the office cleaners, and the tax man, and all the
> other expenses of a major organisation.

All of which applies to every other gaming company out there:
Demonblade, Ral Partha, WOTC/TSR, Enigma, Ground Zero Games, Steve
Jackson Games, Palladium, etc.

But of all the companies I know, GW's prices are by far the highest.
What horrible expenses do they have that these other, more
customer-friendly game companies don't? Does GW have to pay off the
Chaos Gods each month to prevent the Apocalypse? What's so costly about
keeping GW in business compared to other game companies?


>Anyway, it's easy to check; GW
> is a public company with published, audited accounts. If they were
> making astronomical profits, as some here seem to think, then their
> annual accounts would show it. But they don't. They make a good steady
> profit, not bad, but not unusual for a company their size.

But VERY unusual for a Gaming company of ANY size. I'm not begrudging
gamemakers their profits and wages, but when profit becomes more
important that quality, then the company deserves no pity from its
customer base. Why should be applaud someone who would bleed us dry if
they could, with no remorse? Why should I argue for their side of things
when their only appreciation would be to jack up prices again and pick
my pockets some more?

> That's all
> they are, a normal company

Which is pretty much a dirty word anyway, in the current state of
things. God help us when "normal" companies run everything...

> which has created a nice little market niche
> and is pricing its products according to what the market will bear.
> --
> John Secker

GW, though, has zero sense of the long-term market, though. They'll
share TSR's fate if they don't watch themselves - there are already a
number of entreprenuering companies that are beginning to get into GW's
pockets, and it's NEVER a healthy thing when your long-time customers
are the ones that hate you the MOST! Right now, GW is still coasting on
the success of WHFB and 40K, but if they screw up the next edition of
40K and piss off their existing customers, they'll find that they aren't
as invulnerable as they thought. Ask youself this - why is 40K the only
GW game that hasn't been completely redone in 5 years? Because it's
their most "stable" moneymaker, and they know that 40K's business can
make or break them.

Tom Beliech

Tom Beliech

John Secker

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>>Anyway, it's easy to check; GW
>> is a public company with published, audited accounts. If they were
>> making astronomical profits, as some here seem to think, then their
>> annual accounts would show it. But they don't. They make a good steady
>> profit, not bad, but not unusual for a company their size.
>
>But VERY unusual for a Gaming company of ANY size. I'm not begrudging
>gamemakers their profits and wages, but when profit becomes more
>important that quality, then the company deserves no pity from its
>customer base. Why should be applaud someone who would bleed us dry if
>they could, with no remorse? Why should I argue for their side of things
>when their only appreciation would be to jack up prices again and pick
>my pockets some more?
>
>> That's all
>> they are, a normal company
>
>Which is pretty much a dirty word anyway, in the current state of
>things. God help us when "normal" companies run everything...
>
So what you are saying is that people who work in Gaming companies, or
own shares in them, should accept lower wages or lower returns than they
would from other companies, because.....? Why? The examples you are fond
of mentioning are all MUCH smaller, and I suspect that they make little
if any money and are largely run for the fun of it. Good luck to them,
I'd like to do something like that myself, but I can't afford it, and
nor can most people. I would guess that GW employ more people than all
their competitors combined, and those people are entitled to expect to
be paid the going rate, just like all the rest of us in salary-land. GW
is not a cottage industry, so they don't behave like one. I think that
your last comment is at the root of your problem; you seem to hanker for
the good old days when everything was smaller. I have news for you -
"normal" companies DO run everything - or at least most of the things
that make the modern world what it is. If it wasn't for companies such
as Microsoft, IBM and Intel we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Most of the changes in the world happen because someone thinks of an
idea and wants to make money out of it. Other methods have been tried
and shown not to work. So as far as I am concerned, GW are entitled to
charge what they like. In return, I am entitled to choose whether to buy
from them or not. That's called the free market.
--
John Secker

Tom Beliech

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John Secker wrote:
> >
> >Which is pretty much a dirty word anyway, in the current state of
> >things. God help us when "normal" companies run everything...
> >
> So what you are saying is that people who work in Gaming companies, or
> own shares in them, should accept lower wages or lower returns than they
> would from other companies, because.....?

There is a difference between "people who work in Gaming companies" and
"people who own shares in them", at least in my reckoning. I think the
people who actually write the rules, edit them, publish them, test the
games, sculpt the minis, and make the GAME work should be well paid. As
for the people who do nothing more than own shares - honestly, I
couldn't care less. If a company puts profit before customer
satisfaction, that's fine, that's their choice. But if they make that
choice, then I have the right to tell them to bugger off. Maybe the
company wants to please its stockholders, but as a customer, if pleasing
the stockholders (i.e. the people who play NO part in designing the
games, but still make money off them) means that I have to pay higher
prices, then I say they can bugger off.

In short - people who actually WORK to make the products should be
entitled to good compensation. The rest (the suits and extraneous
corporate parasites) mean nothing to me. I've got no problems with game
companies turning a profit, but when they become like GW and don't even
have a sense of TACT in profit-seeking, am I supposed to CONGRATULATE
them for acting like Ferengi? Companies work hard enough to promote
themselves; why should I help if I don't care for their approach? At
least a little subtlety should be in order!

> Why? The examples you are fond
> of mentioning are all MUCH smaller, and I suspect that they make little
> if any money and are largely run for the fun of it. Good luck to them,
> I'd like to do something like that myself, but I can't afford it, and
> nor can most people. I would guess that GW employ more people than all
> their competitors combined,

I really doubt that.

> and those people are entitled to expect to
> be paid the going rate, just like all the rest of us in salary-land.

Yes, but if, say, Demonblade and GW pays its sculptors the same going
rate, where are all the profits from GW's higher prices going?

>GW
> is not a cottage industry, so they don't behave like one. I think that
> your last comment is at the root of your problem; you seem to hanker for
> the good old days when everything was smaller.

Do you consider Steve Jackson Games, Ral Partha or White Wolf to be
"cottage indiustries"? They're not, and they have much more customer
satisfaction that GW does. What I hanker for is for somebody to
demonstrate to GW the flip side of business - real competition.

> I have news for you -
> "normal" companies DO run everything - or at least most of the things
> that make the modern world what it is. If it wasn't for companies such
> as Microsoft, IBM and Intel we wouldn't be having this conversation.

So does that mean I should bow down and worship Billy Gates, and
nominate him for the humanitarian of the year award?

Going back to GW - if it weren't for the old customers like me, who
supported GW back when they were a "cottage industry", they wouldn't
have SURVIVED to become this giant that they now think they are. But
their first order of business upon becoming a major "success" was to
start alienating all their old customers in favor of the kiddie set. I
don't care if it's good business strategy, I don't care if it's allowed
them to set up all over the globe.

The gist of my position is this: I am well aware of the basic principles
of Economics, and I am also aware of the vagaries of businesses, both
big and small. But I am not a stockholder, and I am not some corporate
suit, I am one of those little things called customers. Since GW has
proven that I and my values are of no concern to them, I extend to them
the same lack of compassion that they show me and their other customers.
Can you give me a reason why I should APPLAUD them for trying to gouge
the customer? No other game company seems to have GW's knack for doing
this right now.

> Most of the changes in the world happen because someone thinks of an
> idea and wants to make money out of it.

No, that's how those "cottage industries", to use your words, get
started. The crap begins when some bastich in a suit sees that the small
entrepreneur is making money, and wants in on the deal: "I see your idea
is working, and I want a piece of it, so I'll play organizer for you in
exchange for the lion's share of the profits. Unless, of course, you
WANT to stay small forever - we can make sure you stay THAT way, too."
The person who actually "thought of the idea" in the first place
eventually becomes inconsequential in terms of the money-making engine.

That's why I have a lot of respect for Jon Tuffley and Ground Zero Games
- their first priority is the game! He actually LISTENS to his customers
and lets them contribute - the Full Thrust supplement More Thrust is
HEAVILY based on the contributions of playtesters outside GZG. They have
their own lines of miniatures, but don't try to get in your face about
using only their stuff. They also charge reasonable prices for their
games, and best of all, the rules not only WORK but are very easy to
customize. So you see, I have nothing against game companies in general
- only the one that has become a bloated giant that believes nothing but
its own press.

> Other methods have been tried
> and shown not to work.

And what methods are these?

> So as far as I am concerned, GW are entitled to
> charge what they like. In return, I am entitled to choose whether to buy
> from them or not. That's called the free market.
> --
> John Secker

But GW doesn't believe in the free market. Ask Aaron Overton of
Demonblade and Denis Lavigne of Enigma about their experiences with GW.
Heck, ask some of the retailers, like Tim Steed (aka "Tim and Mary") who
post here regularly. I daresay that I'm more in favor of fair wages for
game makers and sellers than GW is!

The problem is not just GW charging what it likes, but they are also
trying to bully their competition out of the market. Should I laud them
for doing their best to get around anti-trust laws?

And since you mentioned Microsoft as a "normal" company like GW, do you
think Bill Gates wants a free market if it won't serve his interests?
Didn't you read about their recent legal case, and about their
shenanigans that would have gotten anyone else penalized for contempt of
court?

Tom Beliech

D

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Tom Beliech wrote:
<major debate snip>

Thank you, Tom, for eloquently and patiently showing this person the
emptiness of their arguments. :)

Now, is it just me, or are we getting quite a few "wolves in sheep's
clothing" in this NG? (i.e. GW lackeys who have nothing better to do
than say "quit 'yer whining," trying to pass themselves off as actual
contributers to the NG.)

Eh, let the paranoia begin! :)

--
D
"They're all around us!!"

(Remove the 'spamicide' from my address to reply.)

Jarrok

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Will the new GW pricing be on everything? Even existing models?

Bob Yager

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In article <TYLMVEAS...@secker.demon.co.uk>, John Secker
<jo...@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>

> So what you are saying is that people who work in Gaming companies, or
> own shares in them, should accept lower wages or lower returns than they
> would from other companies, because.....? Why? The examples you are fond

> of mentioning are all MUCH smaller, and I suspect that they make little
> if any money and are largely run for the fun of it. Good luck to them,
> I'd like to do something like that myself, but I can't afford it, and
> nor can most people. I would guess that GW employ more people than all
> their competitors combined, and those people are entitled to expect to
> be paid the going rate, just like all the rest of us in salary-land. GW

> is not a cottage industry, so they don't behave like one. I think that
> your last comment is at the root of your problem; you seem to hanker for
> the good old days when everything was smaller. I have news for you -

> "normal" companies DO run everything - or at least most of the things
> that make the modern world what it is. If it wasn't for companies such
> as Microsoft, IBM and Intel we wouldn't be having this conversation.
> Most of the changes in the world happen because someone thinks of an
> idea and wants to make money out of it. Other methods have been tried
> and shown not to work. So as far as I am concerned, GW are entitled to

> charge what they like. In return, I am entitled to choose whether to buy
> from them or not. That's called the free market.
> --
> John Secker
John, this is the most intelligent post you have had so far. GW as a
company can charge what they like. Now, I will apply those principles to
this newsgroup.
1. Anybody here can say what they bloody well please.
2. If they feel GW is a piratical, unprincipled business, they can say so.
3. If I want to bitch, moan, groan or otherwise complain about GW pricing
policy,
I have that right.
4. If I want to call you a self-righteous arrogant bastard, guess what?
5. If the hobby of gaming is in the free market, I have the right to
encourage all,

to

BOYCOTT GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS!!!!!!! until John gnaws my turds.

BOB YAGER

Tom Beliech

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D wrote:

> Thank you, Tom, for eloquently and patiently showing this person the
> emptiness of their arguments. :)

I'm glad you liked it.

> Now, is it just me, or are we getting quite a few "wolves in sheep's
> clothing" in this NG? (i.e. GW lackeys who have nothing better to do
> than say "quit 'yer whining," trying to pass themselves off as actual
> contributers to the NG.)

Well, to keep up the sense of fairness, these people have as much right
to post as anyone else, as even Mr. Yager has said. It's just that we
have the right to call them on it.

> Eh, let the paranoia begin! :)

I believe that anyone has the right to post what they want to post, as
long as it's relevant to the topic or is not a simple ad hominem attack.

Tom Beliech

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In article <68lo8v$b...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,

Good Lord! What on earth was *that* about? Does this guy have too much
time on his hands? Or not enough?

Jonas Whitespore

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On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 14:09:58 -0500, Tom Beliech <bad...@southeast.net> wrote:

>I believe that anyone has the right to post what they want to post, as
>long as it's relevant to the topic or is not a simple ad hominem attack.

Aw! Tom, you're out to ruin this group, aren't you? I mean, what's the point
of even participating if all you're gonna do is talk about some silly little toy
doll games? ; )

Jonas "And who can resist a good ad hominem attack?" Whitespore

-
UIN 2092929
The Daemon has many forms. You must know them all. You must tell the
Daemon from his disguises and root him out from the hidden places.
Trust no-one. Trust not even yourself. It is better to die in vain than
to live an abomination. The zealous martyr is praised for his valour:
the craven and the unready are justly abhorred.
- The First Book of Indoctrinations

Tom Beliech

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Jonas Whitespore wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 14:09:58 -0500, Tom Beliech <bad...@southeast.net> wrote:
>
> >I believe that anyone has the right to post what they want to post, as
> >long as it's relevant to the topic or is not a simple ad hominem attack.
>
> Aw! Tom, you're out to ruin this group, aren't you? I mean, what's the point
> of even participating if all you're gonna do is talk about some silly little toy
> doll games? ; )

Well, I do have a "nice guy" rep to protect, you know!

Tom Beliech

Jonas Whitespore

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Lord only knows where you got it. ; -)

Jonas "It ain't me" Whitespore

Tom Beliech

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Jonas Whitespore wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:43:34 -0500, Tom Beliech <bad...@southeast.net> wrote:
>
> >Jonas Whitespore wrote:
> >> Aw! Tom, you're out to ruin this group, aren't you? I mean, what's the point
> >> of even participating if all you're gonna do is talk about some silly little toy
> >> doll games? ; )
> >
> >Well, I do have a "nice guy" rep to protect, you know!
>
> Lord only knows where you got it. ; -)

I'm not quite sure where it came from myself, but as Ammon said in CLASH
OF THE TITANS, "A divine gift should not be questioned, only accepted"

Tom Beliech

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