Painting minis as negros (need help)

Grunt

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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Hello. I've dabbled around in painting miniatures for ages. Now I'm
actually considering getting into 40K and playing it. I'm thinking
about buying an Imperial Guard army, which will mostly be made up of
the Jungle Fighters of Catachan. Since this particular army reminds me
so much of the American soldiers during the Vietnam conflict, I
decided to make it a politcally correct army and depict a lot of the
soldiers as black men. Does anyone have any good tips on how I can
paint the flesh an appropriately dark and realistic color? Thanks in
advance.

Michael J. Falcon-Gates

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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In article <6d2tpb$m62$1...@gte2.gte.net>, fa...@address.com says...

I have exactly one mini I've painted up as a black woman (the Etoiles
Mortant Sergeant from Warzone). I used a grey primer, washed the flesh
areas with black, then painted on a 50/50 mix of Citadel "Bestial Brown"
and black. Highlighted with pure "Bestial Brown." The effect PRECISELY
matches the skin tone of a woman I knew about ten years ago.

-m
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Not Microsoft's Etoiles Mortant, etc.

PhdFaust

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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>>Hello. I've dabbled around in painting miniatures for ages. Now I'm 
>>actually considering getting into 40K and playing it. I'm thinking 
>>about buying an Imperial Guard army, which will mostly be made up of 
>>the Jungle Fighters of Catachan. Since this particular army reminds me 
>>so much of the American soldiers during the Vietnam conflict, I 
>>decided to make it a politcally correct army and depict a lot of the 
>>soldiers as black men. Does anyone have any good tips on how I can 
>>paint the flesh an appropriately dark and realistic color? Thanks in 
>>advance. 
>

Ral Partha makes a full line of ethic skin colors including African. I've never
experimented with them, but if anyone else has, please post it. I'm also
curious as to what the results would be.

John Tibbs

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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Actually I painted up a lot of my friends catachans and painted them
snakebite leather. They come out looking very good as blacks. Try one and
give it a shot.
Finn

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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> >>Hello. I've dabbled around in painting miniatures for ages. Now I'm 
> >>actually considering getting into 40K and playing it. I'm thinking 
> >>about buying an Imperial Guard army, which will mostly be made up of 
> >>the Jungle Fighters of Catachan. Since this particular army reminds me 
> >>so much of the American soldiers during the Vietnam conflict, I 
> >>decided to make it a politcally correct army and depict a lot of the 
> >>soldiers as black men. Does anyone have any good tips on how I can 
> >>paint the flesh an appropriately dark and realistic color? Thanks in 
> >>advance. 
> > 
>

i use snakebite leather for a middle-eastern look and bestial brown for dark
skin. and i'll bronzed flesh with some red/chestnut mix to represent amerind
coloration. my marine chapter is pretty well integrated

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John Martin

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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Grunt wrote in message <6d2tpb$m62$1...@gte2.gte.net>...

>Hello. I've dabbled around in painting miniatures for ages. Now I'm

>actually considering getting into 40K and playing it. I'm thinking

>about buying an Imperial Guard army, which will mostly be made up of

>the Jungle Fighters of Catachan. Since this particular army reminds me

>so much of the American soldiers during the Vietnam conflict, I

>decided to make it a politcally correct army and depict a lot of the

>soldiers as black men. Does anyone have any good tips on how I can

>paint the flesh an appropriately dark and realistic color? Thanks in

>advance.

I did the same thing and used Ral Partha's Dunkel Brown as the base coat. A
wash with Citadel's Brown ink. (I think it's called Brown wash now). Then I
highlight with a mix of Dunkel Brown and "normal" flesh.

Ral Partha also makes a color called "African flesh" but I never used it.
Also, if you do a lot of black soldiers I would vary among 3 different
shades of brown, some darker than others.

Hope this helps
John
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CRUSADER29

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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Well heres my 2 cents worth, when I paint the darker skin color I use various
shades of browns, you can use "black" paint to make the color darker or a "tan"
or "White" to make it lighter most Black people in the country are of mixed
blood as well so it is good to have a variation in the skin tones, this is good
pratice for all your miniatures.

once you have applied the prefered skin color you can use a chestnut wash mixed
with a small portion of black wash to apply your wash and the color you used
for the faces, add a tan to lighten it and use it for highlight.

I have in ALL my armies men of all Nationl origin, so dont just limit it to one
unit, one of the things I have always liked is the Unity of MAN as a whole
fighting aginst a common enemy(s). My ranks are mixed from the Marines to the
Ratling snipers. even my orks have different skin tones. After all this is the
future and I hope that all those silly things will be long past gone besides
its cool when your playing a game and you have all those different flesh tones
in the same uniforms, Armour fighting and dying as brothers for the same cause,
the survival of MAN.

My Marine Chapter is based on this.

Thank you for your time

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Doug Burton

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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I've used Parthas excellent line of skin tones and have to say that they
are so easy to use. As with any race/color, what may apply to one person
will not apply to another. I used my old superviser, who was black, as a
model for painting a buffalo soldier (the look on my old bosses face as I
said I wanted to see his skin tone was extremely funny :) Anyway, the
african paint happened to fit his darker tone perfectly, so it came out
quite well. Look around in the real world to get the work on the shadows
and highlights and you'll do a good job. The amerindian is a really nice
skin tone for Indians as well. It's not simply flesh with a little red
mixed in...but it fits the Indian skin tone quite well. Give this line a
try and I'm sure you won't be let down.
Doug

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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"John Martin" <webm...@waltersbuildings.com> wrote:
>I did the same thing and used Ral Partha's Dunkel Brown as the base coat.
>A wash with Citadel's Brown ink. (I think it's called Brown wash now).
>Then I highlight with a mix of Dunkel Brown and "normal" flesh.

It's funny to see how the names of colors change in hobby paints.
Ral Partha's "Dunkel Brown" is actually burnt sienna, GW's "Flesh Wash"
is a thinned-down raw sienna, Ral Partha's "Dark Brown" is raw umber,
and Armory's "Chocolate Brown" is burnt umber.

I use burnt umber for African skin-tones, because it's a nice, warm
dark browm -- if you thin it out, it actually looks like a very dark
red-brown. Raw umber, on the other hand, has a greyish tone, and looks
terrible when used for skin tones.

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Ananda Banttari

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Feb 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM2/26/98

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Rick Rutherford wrote:

> It's funny to see how the names of colors change in hobby paints.
> Ral Partha's "Dunkel Brown" is actually burnt sienna, GW's "Flesh Wash"
> is a thinned-down raw sienna, Ral Partha's "Dark Brown" is raw umber,
> and Armory's "Chocolate Brown" is burnt umber.

Most helpful hints for painting minis that I have read use the
names of the hobby paints rather than the standard color names
(i.e., the color names used by non-hobby paint manufacturers).
I use mostly artists' paints for my minis. I have found that the Liquitex
medium-viscosity paint works well -- and it tends to be *much* less
expensive per ounce than most hobby paints. (I get the 4 ounce
bottle size.) However, I don't know many of the color equivalencies
between the hobby paints and artists' paints. Does anyone have a
list of these? After spending more money than I care to think about
on minis (I had the paints when I started), I don't really want to go
and spend even more money on tiny bottles of paint...

Many thanks,
Ananda
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miyamoto usagi

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Mar 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/4/98

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> >>decided to make it a politcally correct army and depict a lot of the 
>
>

you actually use the term politically correct . (a telling sign in itself)
and you use the term negro.

<sarcasm> i want to give african americans the credit they deserve for
defending a country that shits on them . .any advice on what colors to use
on these jungle bunnies? </sarcasm>

if you flame me, you missed the point.
feel free.

mer...@airmail.net

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:12:32 GMT, fa...@address.com (Grunt) wrote: