[Model][Painting]I'm done...I think...well sort of.
Bob K
I painted the vast majority of my Ulthwe armies troops (gaurdians,
aspects, etc..) two years ago when I was unemployed for a month.
I can still get excited to paint Heroes and special units as well as
vehicles but not the others.
I recently bought a painted lot of Black Templars to fortify my second
Army off EBAY and spent some time cleaning up a barely mediocre paint
job by the seller, but that was fairly quick and easy.
What is the going rate for painting figs these days (US$)? I plan to
purchase a couple of the eldar storm squad boxes, but dread painting
them. I like my figs painted very neat, but not neccesarily to flashy
with more subtle highlights than many you see pictured.
Bob K
MJB
"Bob K" <Bo...@diespammerdie.com> wrote in message
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> I just can no longer bring myself to paint squads of troops any
longer.
second
> What is the going rate for painting figs these days (US$)?
No such thing exists - and I've been in the business since 1994. IMO
people pay money to a painter for lots of different reasons - some for
the quality of the work but more usually they pay for getting their
work completed in a timely manner. If you're willing to wait awhile
(sometimes up to a year or longer) for finished work to come your way,
you can sometimes get stuff painted 'cheap'. Or even 'very cheap'.
But if you like to field the units BEFORE GDub changes the rules
(again!), you should expect to pay more.
At least that's been my experience in the figure painting business.
It's turnaround and reliability that help painters stay in the
painting biz, not just price or even quality. People who charge low
prices are soon swamped with work and can be backlogged for a long,
long time before your turn at the painting table comes-up. People who
charge higher prices naturally have lower demand for their services so
most likely will get your work done quicker because they're not so
backlogged.
> I plan to
> purchase a couple of the eldar storm squad boxes, but dread painting
> them. I like my figs painted very neat, but not neccesarily to
flashy
> with more subtle highlights than many you see pictured.
Feel free to visit my website, if you'd like.
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Jason Dyer
> I just can no longer bring myself to paint squads of troops any
> longer. I painted the vast majority of my Ulthwe armies troops
> (gaurdians, aspects, etc..) two years ago when I was unemployed for a
> month.
> I can still get excited to paint Heroes and special units as well as
> vehicles but not the others.
> I recently bought a painted lot of Black Templars to fortify my second
> Army off EBAY and spent some time cleaning up a barely mediocre paint
> job by the seller, but that was fairly quick and easy.
> What is the going rate for painting figs these days (US$)? I plan to
> purchase a couple of the eldar storm squad boxes, but dread painting
> them. I like my figs painted very neat, but not necessarily to flashy
> with more subtle highlights than many you see pictured.
>
> Bob K
>
Well, in *my* time unemployed I'm setting up as a "painter for hire"
here are my current rates...
http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rates.html
JKD
________________________________________________________
Jason Dyer, Ph.D.
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Research Scientist, GW-Outrider
Member RTC, 3rd Edition Fanboy
Myrmidon
Jason Dyer shouted out the following words of wit...
> Bob K wrote:
>
> > I just can no longer bring myself to paint squads of troops any
> > longer. I painted the vast majority of my Ulthwe armies troops
> > (gaurdians, aspects, etc..) two years ago when I was unemployed for a
> > month.
> > I can still get excited to paint Heroes and special units as well as
> > vehicles but not the others.
> > I recently bought a painted lot of Black Templars to fortify my second
> > Army off EBAY and spent some time cleaning up a barely mediocre paint
> > job by the seller, but that was fairly quick and easy.
> > What is the going rate for painting figs these days (US$)? I plan to
> > purchase a couple of the eldar storm squad boxes, but dread painting
> > them. I like my figs painted very neat, but not necessarily to flashy
> > with more subtle highlights than many you see pictured.
> >
> > Bob K
> >
> Well, in *my* time unemployed I'm setting up as a "painter for hire"
> here are my current rates...
> http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rates.html
>
> JKD
I'm sorry Jason, but you're far to normal looking to be one of the
RGMW regs. :) Nice wolves army by the way. Hope you find some new
employment soon that's to your liking.
Myr
--
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**best waiter impersonation**
They're very good this evening Sir, I recommend them with the
side serving of cranberry sauce.
-- Jon Hedge
RGMW FAQ: http://www.rgmw.org
Or...
Robert Singers
>> http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rate
>> s.html
>>
> I'm sorry Jason, but you're far to normal looking to be one of
> the
> RGMW regs. :)
What http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/20q_jason.gif? I bet he has custom
made knee pads. Although I'm sure GW aren't happy he's using real flock
http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/DSCN0056.jpg.
> Nice wolves army by the way. Hope you find some new
> employment soon that's to your liking.
Browsing web site some more.
Ahhhggghhhhhhh Rolemaster, it burns it burns - make it stop.
--
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Send submissions to submissions at rgmw dot org changing the obvious.
"I present to RGMW....the real life model for StrongBad." (c) Inc 2003
Myrmidon
rsin...@finger.hotmail.com, Robert Singers shouted out the following
words of wit...
> Out from under a rock popped Myrmidon and said
>
> >> http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rate
> >> s.html
> >>
> > I'm sorry Jason, but you're far to normal looking to be one of
> > the
> > RGMW regs. :)
>
> What http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/20q_jason.gif? I bet he has custom
> made knee pads.
Ok, so is his 'normal look' really his normal look or just a
disguise? Or is it vise versa?
> Although I'm sure GW aren't happy he's using real flock
> http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/DSCN0056.jpg.
>
Now that some serious shit up there. Of course I'd never be that
big a fan boy. (Read I haven't put up any pics of my gaming area. ;)
> Browsing web site some more.
>
> Ahhhggghhhhhhh Rolemaster, it burns it burns - make it stop.
>
Sure it was a wack system - but it had hilarious results for it's
melee combat system when critical hits occured.
Myr
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"J Allen" wrote: You should have used GW flock instead of the
hobby shop stuff. It's your own fault.
Kurt
killing all on board but Myrmidon ...
>> Browsing web site some more.
>>
>> Ahhhggghhhhhhh Rolemaster, it burns it burns - make it stop.
>>
> Sure it was a wack system - but it had hilarious results for it's
> melee combat system when critical hits occured.
>
And has the advantage of not being D&D, which is always a good thing.
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K *Kill the nospam to reply*
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Andy O'Neill
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<<>>
> Well, in *my* time unemployed I'm setting up as a "painter for hire"
> here are my current rates...
>
http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rates.html
Eh?
You charge MORE for larger orders?
Usually, there's a sliding discount for large orders and a premium for
single figures.
Is that 60 cents per WFB point?
Because that's a weird mechanism.
Looking at the empire list.
A wizard lord is 175 points and a battle wizard 60. That's a big dollar
difference.
How do you tell which is which?
And that's something like 20 quid for a single figure...?
Frankly, I think the more usual price for foot/cavalry, extra for heraldry
and extra for champion fiddly bits etc is more practical.
Jason Dyer
Well, in *my* time unemployed I'm setting up as a "painter for hire" here are my current rates... http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rates.html JKDI'm sorry Jason, but you're far to normal looking to be one of the RGMW regs. :) Nice wolves army by the way. Hope you find some new employment soon that's to your liking. Myr
Well "employment" will be fatherhood in about 6 weeks!
And thanks for the Wolves complement
JKD _________________________________________________________ Jason Dyer, Ph.D. Vancouver, BC, Canada Research Scientist, GW-Outrider Member RTC, 3rd Edition Fanboy
Jason Dyer
"Jason Dyer" <SPAM...@icord.orgBLOCK> wrote in message news:3F6790FE...@icord.orgBLOCK... <<>>Well, in *my* time unemployed I'm setting up as a "painter for hire" here are my current rates...http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rates.html Eh? You charge MORE for larger orders?
Usually, there's a sliding discount for large orders and a premium for single figures.
Is that 60 cents per WFB point? Because that's a weird mechanism.
Looking at the empire list. A wizard lord is 175 points and a battle wizard 60. That's a big dollar difference.
How do you tell which is which?
And that's something like 20 quid for a single figure...?
Frankly, I think the more usual price for foot/cavalry, extra for heraldry and extra for champion fiddly bits etc is more practical.
JKD
_________________________________________________________ Jason Dyer, Ph.D. Vancouver, BC, Canada Research Scientist, GW-Outrider Member RTC, 3rd Edition Fanboy
Ancient Gamer
Dyer declares...
> >
> Do the math on an army and tell me which is the better deal. Don't
> bother with uber characters and magic shit. Just troops.
>
> JKD
>
I did and 1500 points of Space Marines comes to $900.00 or $9.00 per
marine, which I think is way too much; but, if you can get those kinds of
prices then kudo's to you. I consider myself a fairly decent painter and
am usually very happy when I get about half that price. Then again, I can
usually only paint about six months out of the year (getting Air
Conditioning though, so that will soon change).
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Myrmidon
>
> >>Well, in *my* time unemployed I'm setting up as a "painter for hire"
> >>here are my current rates...
> >>http://www3.telus.net/BC_Outrider/Contract/Contract_Army_Painting_rates.html
> >>
> >>JKD
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I'm sorry Jason, but you're far to normal looking to be one of the
> >RGMW regs. :) Nice wolves army by the way. Hope you find some new
> >employment soon that's to your liking.
> >
> > Myr
> >
> >
> :)p
> Well "employment" will be fatherhood in about 6 weeks!
Congratulations! That's great news. Just remember, it's much
easier to wait until they have a bit of fine motor control before
attempting to teach the little spud how to paint minis. (Language skills
are a plus but not really required. Hell, half the regs here still can't
speak but they can grunt and paint with the best of 'em. ;)
> And thanks for the Wolves complement
I think I paint fairly well, and I'd still rate yours minis as being
better painted than me. I just wish they'd have done some larger high
resolution shots of your stuff and some of the other GD stuff. I hoard it
in my 40K archives and look through it for ideas, inspiration, and
techniques to use on my stuff. :)
Again, congratulations on the new addition to your life. :)
Myrmidon
--
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bodyweight in Snotlings.
-- Brad Hann
T. Kohlmetz
> I did and 1500 points of Space Marines comes to $900.00 or $9.00 per
> marine, which I think is way too much; but, if you can get those kinds of
> prices then kudo's to you. I consider myself a fairly decent painter and
> am usually very happy when I get about half that price. Then again, I can
> usually only paint about six months out of the year (getting Air
> Conditioning though, so that will soon change).
>
> --
> Jim M
That is *CRAZY* cheap. I won't sell a high quality painted miniature
for less than $25 per trooper. I spend approximately 4-5 hours per
miniature plus cost of metal/plastic.
$9 per marine is a fabulous deal - especially when coming from an
established and well known mini painter.
My character models go for a minimum of $100 US - and they take
anywhere from 16-30 hours each to paint, and convert if necessary.
Later!
Tim
MJB
"Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote in message
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> Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer,
Jason
> Dyer declares...
>
> > >
> > Do the math on an army and tell me which is the better deal. Don't
> > bother with uber characters and magic shit. Just troops.
> >
> > JKD
> >
>
> I did and 1500 points of Space Marines comes to $900.00 or $9.00 per
> marine, which I think is way too much; but, if you can get those
kinds of
> prices then kudo's to you.
Well, I've been charging around that amount for marines since my last
price increase in 2000. So I'd say, if my experience in the painting
biz is any guide and if his photographs are a fair judge of the
quality of his work - Jason will have no trouble staying busy at the
rates he's charging.
I've always figured degree of difficulty in the actual painting, not
game value, was what to charge for - but if it works for Jason, more
power to him. And so far as giving discounts on large orders - I've
never done it either. But to charge MORE for large orders takes
testicles the size of grapefruits.
But then again, I can't put Phd after my sig either. So I might be
misunderstanding the miniature painting market entirely.
<grin>
> I consider myself a fairly decent painter and
> am usually very happy when I get about half that price.
But obviously Jason considers himself more than just 'fairly decent'.
Or perhaps you undervalue your own worth? In my experience charging
more has cost me very little business. And most painters out there
greatly undercharge for their services.
IMH (and totally biased) Opinion.
Ancient Gamer
declares...
Well with your testament and that of Jason's I may have to rethink this
whole paint for hire business...
Daniel Luna
> I've always figured degree of difficulty in the actual painting, not
> game value, was what to charge for - but if it works for Jason, more
> power to him. And so far as giving discounts on large orders - I've
> never done it either. But to charge MORE for large orders takes
> testicles the size of grapefruits.
But if you go for complete armies then you should of course charge
more for more models. Take for instance a marine army of 1500
pts. That would be perhaps 80 models (going infantry heavy). Compare
this to an infantry heavy IG army with its 200+ models. Of course he
should charge more for the 200 models.
The thing to notice here is that he paints ARMIES and not models.
#Luna
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Kurt
> That is *CRAZY* cheap. I won't sell a high quality painted miniature
> for less than $25 per trooper. I spend approximately 4-5 hours per
> miniature plus cost of metal/plastic.
>
> $9 per marine is a fabulous deal - especially when coming from an
> established and well known mini painter.
>
> My character models go for a minimum of $100 US - and they take
> anywhere from 16-30 hours each to paint, and convert if necessary.
>
It's a huge slug for the average gamer in the street who just wants an army
in the right colours, rather than an individual masterpiece for each
figure.
Nice work if you can get $9 a figure though.
MJB
"Kurt" <kur...@nospam.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> The good ship rec.games.miniatures.warhammer was dashed upon the
rocks,
> killing all on board but T. Kohlmetz ...
>
> > established and well known mini painter.
> >
an army
> in the right colours, rather than an individual masterpiece for each
> figure.
Well, I guess I must not work for the 'average gamer' then. My
customers have been game store owners, doctors, lawyers, investment
bankers, partners in engineering firms, computer professionals, etc.
All with incomes very substantially better than my own. And with more
money than they have time, I guess.
>
> Nice work if you can get $9 a figure though.
It's really not hard to get that sort of price if you can get good
work done in a timely manner. My average turnaround time on most
orders is around four to six weeks. And customers seem to appreciate
getting new work each month rather than having to wait for a long time
to have their 'stuff' put in their hands.
The downside is that I've painted three (3) new figures for MY
collection so far this year.
MJB
"Daniel Luna" <luna+...@update.uu.se> wrote in message
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> "MJB" <mrt...@OLDsguy.com> writes:
> > But to charge MORE for large orders takes
> > testicles the size of grapefruits.
>
> But if you go for complete armies then you should of course charge
> more for more models.
>
>
Umm, okay. But if you were to visit my website and read my homepage,
you'd discover that I too, claim exactly the same thing. I've been
painting armies and not just individual figures for years. It's how
I've always done things. And I've always charged per item based upon
degree of difficulty.
But then again, GW products are only half my business. I'm a big time
historical gamer and half the time I'm painting 15mm Napoleonic armies
for people rather than space marines or elves. So I'm also used to
doing big orders, I guess.
Good luck if anyone can charge more for painting more figures simply
based upon the size of the order, though. I wouldn't do it. I do
charge more for painting a marine toting a heavy bolter or lascanoon
than for a marine with a boltgun, though. And personalities are going
to cost 50% to double the price of an ordinary trooper.
--
MJB
Jason Dyer
:)p Well "employment" will be fatherhood in about 6 weeks!Congratulations! That's great news. Just remember, it's much easier to wait until they have a bit of fine motor control before attempting to teach the little spud how to paint minis. (Language skills are a plus but not really required. Hell, half the regs here still can't speak but they can grunt and paint with the best of 'em. ;)
and thanks for the Wolves complement
I think I paint fairly well, and I'd still rate yours minis as being better painted than me. I just wish they'd have done some larger high resolution shots of your stuff and some of the other GD stuff. I hoard it in my 40K archives and look through it for ideas, inspiration, and techniques to use on my stuff. :)
M Roberts
>
> Well, being a neuroscientist I think I have a head start on motor
> training techniques for my little one!
It's not brain surgery you know. Oh, wait . . . .
> I recently shot my Dark Eldar army
Best thing to do with them.
:-))
Cheers, Martyn
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Myrmidon
>
> >>:)p
> >>Well "employment" will be fatherhood in about 6 weeks!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Congratulations! That's great news. Just remember, it's much
> >easier to wait until they have a bit of fine motor control before
> >attempting to teach the little spud how to paint minis. (Language skills
> >are a plus but not really required. Hell, half the regs here still can't
> >speak but they can grunt and paint with the best of 'em. ;)
> >
> >
>
> Well, being a neuroscientist I think I have a head start on motor
> training techniques for my little one!
>
going more than a little bit overboard. Thought it does show some
*serious* tactical ability to plan that far ahead....
Jason Dyer *Evil* PHD - Supa Secret Planz! (tm)
Step 1. Learn to Paint Minis
Step 2. Become PHD in Neuroscience to learn about fine motor skills
Step 3. Produce child
Step 4. Teach child to paint minis using 733t Neuroscientist skillz.
Step 5. Let child do all the minis painting commissions, retire early,
live of the phat loOt and do nothing but paint my own minis and go to
Gamesdays!
Devious! But I like it. Let me know if it works and I'll run it by my
Mrs. :)
> >>and thanks for the Wolves complement
> >>
> >I think I paint fairly well, and I'd still rate yours minis as being
> >better painted than me. I just wish they'd have done some larger high
> >resolution shots of your stuff and some of the other GD stuff. I hoard it
> >in my 40K archives and look through it for ideas, inspiration, and
> >techniques to use on my stuff. :)
> >
> I'm rebuilding my web site, and have invested in a good camera, light
> and background system. I recently shot my Dark Eldar army for GW to use
> in their 2004 catalog.
>
That begs two questions - one being 'when do we get to see any of
the pics'? (yeah, I realize you can't use the stuff they're going to
publish - but surely you've shoot some of your other stuff - like wolves
or BFG <hint hint>). And the other being 'If they're that nice - when are
you going to post an article on the camera, lights, and technique used to
shoot the pics'?
Seriously - I'd be very interested in the stuff on your camera and set up.
I'd like to get a digital camera that's useful for minis photography, but
I haven't got a clue about the new digital stuff that's out. There's
still a ton of different digital memory formats, and I'd like one that
isn't going to be gone in a year or two.
Later (and congrats again on the little addition.)
Myrmidon
--
Ah, he's a physicist - he's unlikely to injure himself with
stuff he deals with every day and if he does *shrug*, its
only a physicist...
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Myrmidon
Roberts shouted out the following words of wit...
> "Jason Dyer" <SPAM...@icord.orgBLOCK> wrote in message
> news:3F6A04AF...@icord.orgBLOCK...
> >
>
> Best thing to do with them.
>
themselves.
Myr ;)
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new, assemble it, and then leave it unpainted for months.
- Jakearon
Jason Dyer
Devious! But I like it. Let me know if it works and I'll run it by my Mrs. :)
and thanks for the Wolves complementI think I paint fairly well, and I'd still rate yours minis as being better painted than me. I just wish they'd have done some larger high resolution shots of your stuff and some of the other GD stuff. I hoard it in my 40K archives and look through it for ideas, inspiration, and techniques to use on my stuff. :)I'm rebuilding my web site, and have invested in a good camera, light and background system. I recently shot my Dark Eldar army for GW to use in their 2004 catalog.That begs two questions - one being 'when do we get to see any of the pics'? (yeah, I realize you can't use the stuff they're going to publish - but surely you've shoot some of your other stuff - like wolves or BFG <hint hint>). And the other being 'If they're that nice - when are you going to post an article on the camera, lights, and technique used to shoot the pics'?
I will probably reshoot as they came out too harsh for my photographic taste.
As for the techniques; well Dirty Steve is a good friend of mine, so I had him teach me miniatures photography!
I *will* write an article at some point in the future.
Seriously - I'd be very interested in the stuff on your camera and set up. I'd like to get a digital camera that's useful for minis photography, but I haven't got a clue about the new digital stuff that's out.
There's still a ton of different digital memory formats, and I'd like one that isn't going to be gone in a year or two.
Later (and congrats again on the little addition.)
Thanks !
:>)
:>)
Kurt
> "Kurt" <kur...@nospam.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns93FAC1...@210.49.20.254...
>> The good ship rec.games.miniatures.warhammer was dashed upon the
> rocks,
>> killing all on board but T. Kohlmetz ...
>>
>> > $9 per marine is a fabulous deal - especially when coming from an
>> > established and well known mini painter.
>> >
>> It's a huge slug for the average gamer in the street who just wants
> an army
>> in the right colours, rather than an individual masterpiece for each
>> figure.
>
> Well, I guess I must not work for the 'average gamer' then. My
> customers have been game store owners, doctors, lawyers, investment
> bankers, partners in engineering firms, computer professionals, etc.
> All with incomes very substantially better than my own. And with more
> money than they have time, I guess.
>
everyone that plays GW games is 21 or under, the historical games attract
the older players, but even then a lot of players still won't pay large
amounts to have an army painted. But I heard from one pro painter I know
that it's much easier to get top dollar for painting in the US.
>> Nice work if you can get $9 a figure though.
>
> It's really not hard to get that sort of price if you can get good
> work done in a timely manner. My average turnaround time on most
> orders is around four to six weeks. And customers seem to appreciate
> getting new work each month rather than having to wait for a long time
> to have their 'stuff' put in their hands.
>
Four to six weeks? With that sort of time I can produce some nice looking
stuff. I've been doing base jobs for a few friends, like Blood Bowl teams
and the like, I would love to get paid to do some high quality work.
> The downside is that I've painted three (3) new figures for MY
> collection so far this year.
>
I have two and a half DBM armies I want to do, but I need to finish some
Thousand Sons for someone first (he's a dipper, always has been).
MJB
> The good ship rec.games.miniatures.warhammer was dashed upon the
rocks,
> killing all on board but MJB ...
>
> >
Almost
> everyone that plays GW games is 21 or under
Interesting assumption. Among the group I know the average age is
mid-thirties, married and solidly entrenched in a professional or
business career.
>, the historical games attract
> the older players, but even then a lot of players still won't pay
large
> amounts to have an army painted.
Lots of people won't pay large amounts... for anything. Be it cars,
computers or meals. Personally, I buy 40$ bottles of single-malt
scotch whiskey. I won't buy $20 bottles and paying $60 seems, well...
silly. But I will pay cheerfully pay 40$. Go figure.
> But I heard from one pro painter I know
> that it's much easier to get top dollar for painting in the US.
Hard to say. I've only worked in the usa, so can't comment on the
overseas market.
>
> >> Nice work if you can get $9 a figure though.
> >
> > It's really not hard to get that sort of price if you can get good
> > work done in a timely manner. My average turnaround time on most
> > orders is around four to six weeks. And customers seem to
appreciate
> > getting new work each month rather than having to wait for a long
time
> > to have their 'stuff' put in their hands.
> >
> Four to six weeks?
Not per single order. I typically am working on nine seperate
painting boards, each of which can hold up to 24 or so 'heroic' scale
figs (or double that in smaller scale). Each week I'll typically
finish-up the work on between three, four or five boards, depending
upon how hard I feel like working. With other work being pushed along
through the pipeline.
So while it might take four to six weeks for an order to make it's way
through the painting process, the time it actual is on the painting
boards is substantially less.
> With that sort of time I can produce some nice looking
> stuff. I've been doing base jobs for a few friends, like Blood Bowl
teams
> and the like, I would love to get paid to do some high quality work.
Like I said before. Not six weeks of actual painting time per order.
It will typically be mailed out six weeks after I recieve it - but I
might have held it for as long as a month before it makes it onto the
schedule.
>
> > The downside is that I've painted three (3) new figures for MY
> > collection so far this year.
> >
> I have two and a half DBM armies I want to do, but I need to finish
some
> Thousand Sons for someone first (he's a dipper, always has been).
Nah, I haven't used snuff since high school. Messy, nasty habit.
Turns your teeth brown and rots your gums.
<grin>
ric
>I'd like to get a digital camera that's useful for minis photography, but
>I haven't got a clue about the new digital stuff that's out.
>The 900 series of coolpix is great. As is the 4500, and the new 5000 (which
>Dirty uses now).
I've just bought a Samsung Digimax V4 with Secure Digital type memory. I can
also use my Multi Media cards in it from my Digital Video camera.
It has a 6cm Macro mode which alows you to get realy close to figures and
then still be able to zoom in on the PC and get very good close ups.
Although doing this i've found out just how bad my painting is.
Ric
Kurt
killing all on board but MJB ...
> "Kurt" <kur...@nospam.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns93FB55...@210.49.20.254...
>> It certainly doesn't sound like the average gamer around here.
> Almost
>> everyone that plays GW games is 21 or under
>
> Interesting assumption. Among the group I know the average age is
> mid-thirties, married and solidly entrenched in a professional or
> business career.
>
There are some mid 30s and 40s, but they are a definite minority. The only
other evidence for age that I can go from is White Dwarf, which would have
you assume the average gamer age is about 12.
>> > It's really not hard to get that sort of price if you can get good
>> > work done in a timely manner. My average turnaround time on most
>> > orders is around four to six weeks. And customers seem to
> appreciate
>> > getting new work each month rather than having to wait for a long
> time
>> > to have their 'stuff' put in their hands.
>> >
>> Four to six weeks?
>
> Not per single order. I typically am working on nine seperate
> painting boards, each of which can hold up to 24 or so 'heroic' scale
> figs (or double that in smaller scale). Each week I'll typically
> finish-up the work on between three, four or five boards, depending
> upon how hard I feel like working. With other work being pushed along
> through the pipeline.
>
block each day, or just work as you feel the urge to?
Ancient Gamer
declares...
> No need to make an assumption, that's how it is in this area of Sydney.
> There are some mid 30s and 40s, but they are a definite minority. The only
> other evidence for age that I can go from is White Dwarf, which would have
> you assume the average gamer age is about 12.
>
>
being the eldest (that's probably no surprise). Once in a while someone
in their 30s or 40s would come in, and their was one gentleman who bought
figs and rules from me that was actually older then I was, but he never
actually gamed in the store. Most of the 30+ crowd had games at their
house...
--
Jim M
posted on this day, the 3671st of September in the year 1993...
MJB
> The good ship rec.games.miniatures.warhammer was dashed upon the
rocks,
> killing all on board but MJB ...
> > "Kurt" <kur...@nospam.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:Xns93FB55...@210.49.20.254...
> > Interesting assumption. Among the group I know the average age is
> > mid-thirties, married and solidly entrenched in a professional or
> > business career.
> >
> No need to make an assumption, that's how it is in this area of
Sydney.
> There are some mid 30s and 40s, but they are a definite minority.
The only
> other evidence for age that I can go from is White Dwarf, which
would have
> you assume the average gamer age is about 12.
I guess it's WHO you associate with and WHERE you do it. I suppose if
I played wargames in game stores, my average player age might be
younger. But since all my friends are seriously old, we pretty much
play in each other homes, where we all have dedicated gaming rooms.
And since we don't INVITE any twelve-year old to play 40K with us...
<shrug>
> > Not per single order. I typically am working on nine seperate
> > painting boards, each of which can hold up to 24 or so 'heroic'
scale
> > figs (or double that in smaller scale). Each week I'll typically
> > finish-up the work on between three, four or five boards,
depending
> > upon how hard I feel like working. With other work being pushed
along
> > through the pipeline.
> >
> How many hours per week does that work out to?
Beats me. I've never bothered to figure it out. Since I don't
clock-in or clock-out and I work at home, I'm pretty much painting
whenever I want to. Which might be 6AM or 11PM, depending on the
circumstances. I'm pretty much working throughout the day though with
occassional breaks of a couple of hours at various times.
> Do you sit down for a solid
> block each day, or just work as you feel the urge to?
>
That's pretty much the ONLY perc of self-employment. No actual work
schedule. You don't get a paid vacation, but in general, if you don't
feel like working for a day, you don't have to.
<grin>
Kurt
killing all on board but MJB ...
> "Kurt" <kur...@nospam.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>> > Interesting assumption. Among the group I know the average age is
>> > mid-thirties, married and solidly entrenched in a professional or
>> > business career.
>> >
>> No need to make an assumption, that's how it is in this area of
> Sydney.
>> There are some mid 30s and 40s, but they are a definite minority.
> The only
>> other evidence for age that I can go from is White Dwarf, which
> would have
>> you assume the average gamer age is about 12.
>
> I guess it's WHO you associate with and WHERE you do it. I suppose if
> I played wargames in game stores, my average player age might be
> younger. But since all my friends are seriously old, we pretty much
> play in each other homes, where we all have dedicated gaming rooms.
> And since we don't INVITE any twelve-year old to play 40K with us...
>
> <shrug>
>
also don't turn members away. It's quite amazing though how often new
members remark that they spent the last X years just playing with a small
group of friends. I think I'd go insane getting my butt kicked by the same
dudes each week - unless we play Crimson Skies since nobody can touch me at
that one so far :)
>> How many hours per week does that work out to?
>
> Beats me. I've never bothered to figure it out. Since I don't
> clock-in or clock-out and I work at home, I'm pretty much painting
> whenever I want to. Which might be 6AM or 11PM, depending on the
> circumstances. I'm pretty much working throughout the day though with
> occassional breaks of a couple of hours at various times.
>
Hmm, I ended up with a bunch of stuff to paint last night (one guy was
selling BB teams cheap, I ended up with all 3 dumped in my lap to paint) so
I'm going to have to develop some sort of rhythm. The soccer has been
pretty good for my painting though, being up until 3am means I can power
through a fair bit.
>> Do you sit down for a solid
>> block each day, or just work as you feel the urge to?
>>
>
> That's pretty much the ONLY perc of self-employment. No actual work
> schedule. You don't get a paid vacation, but in general, if you don't
> feel like working for a day, you don't have to.
>
> <grin>
>
And there's nobody to chew you out if you fall asleep in the chair :)
Blue Raja
> Of course he
> should charge more for the 200 models.
I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise, but economically there
shouldn't be a premium on large orders. If anything larger orders should be
*cheaper* as it ensures a large income at the end, much better than hoping
you get a lot of small jobs instead.
Also it'd be faster to paint 100 Marines than 20 Marines, 30 Eldar, 20 Grey
Knights and 30 Tau, since you're doing the same paint scheme repeatedly.
The real world analogy would be paying more for buying in bulk, which
doesn't make the least bit of sense.
--
The Blue Raja
"Besides, true evil never shows itself by trying to legitimizing itself.
Take 'Raja, for example. He's an EVIL little bastard and doesn't have to
announce it to the world. He decimates the millions with polite,
conversation and leaves a wake of devastation in his path." - Butch
RGMW FAQ - By order of Yoda Bob
http://www.rgmw.org
Finishing Touch Miniatures
> I just can no longer bring myself to paint squads of troops any longer.
> I painted the vast majority of my Ulthwe armies troops (gaurdians,
> aspects, etc..) two years ago when I was unemployed for a month.
> I can still get excited to paint Heroes and special units as well as
> vehicles but not the others.
> I recently bought a painted lot of Black Templars to fortify my second
> Army off EBAY and spent some time cleaning up a barely mediocre paint
> job by the seller, but that was fairly quick and easy.
> What is the going rate for painting figs these days (US$)? I plan to
> purchase a couple of the eldar storm squad boxes, but dread painting
> them. I like my figs painted very neat, but not neccesarily to flashy
> with more subtle highlights than many you see pictured.
>
> Bob K
In case you (or anyone else) is still looking, I also provide
commision painting service. I'm still working on fleshing out my
gallery more, but my site is at www.finishingtouchminiatures.com
Rob Singers
wisdom
> Jason Dyer *Evil* PHD - Supa Secret Planz! (tm)
>
> Step 1. Learn to Paint Minis
> Step 2. Become PHD in Neuroscience to learn about fine motor skills
> Step 3. Produce child
> Step 4. Teach child to paint minis using 733t Neuroscientist skillz.
> Step 5. Let child do all the minis painting commissions, retire early,
> live of the phat loOt and do nothing but paint my own minis and go to
> Gamesdays!
>
> Devious! But I like it. Let me know if it works and I'll run it by my
> Mrs. :)
He won't get anywhere until he learns to stop posting in HTML.
--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Send submissions to submissions at rgmw dot org changing the obvious.
"I present to RGMW....the real life model for StrongBad." (c) Inc 2003
Jason Dyer
>Myrmidon startled all and sundry by ejaculating the following words of
>wisdom
>
>
>
>> Jason Dyer *Evil* PHD - Supa Secret Planz! (tm)
>>
>>Step 1. Learn to Paint Minis
>>Step 2. Become PHD in Neuroscience to learn about fine motor skills
>>Step 3. Produce child
>>Step 4. Teach child to paint minis using 733t Neuroscientist skillz.
>>Step 5. Let child do all the minis painting commissions, retire early,
>>live of the phat loOt and do nothing but paint my own minis and go to
>>Gamesdays!
>>
>>Devious! But I like it. Let me know if it works and I'll run it by my
>>Mrs. :)
>>
>>
>
>He won't get anywhere until he learns to stop posting in HTML.
>
>
>
Actually I tend to post in BOTH html and regular text, as I seem to get
a shit load of html my way I was thinking that it was "permitted" now.
I'll revert to text only...
Rob Singers
wisdom
> Actually I tend to post in BOTH html and regular text, as I seem to get
> a shit load of html my way I was thinking that it was "permitted" now.
> I'll revert to text only...
It's not which is why GNKSA rated news readers display the code. Some NNTP
servers seem to at least partially strip it.