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Luke R

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Oct 20, 2003, 7:18:22 AM10/20/03
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Hi Everyone,

I am new to the hobby of painting miniatures.

Anyway, I have found that my paints dry up really quickly.

Are there any hints you guys have or tricks you use to prevent this from
happening?

Thanks heaps,

LUKE


Kurt

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Oct 20, 2003, 7:25:02 AM10/20/03
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The good ship rec.games.miniatures.warhammer was dashed upon the rocks,
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The best thing to do is keep thinning them. Water should do the trick
fine, just add a few drops whenever you open the pot. Also make sure you
don't keep the lid off for too long, if possible get yourself a tile or a
saucer to use as a palette and paint off that. You can dab as much as
you think you'll need onto the palette and paint from there until it
dries or runs out. This means you can put the lid back on and keep the
paint sealed.

Since you're in Australia too, you may have noticed it's getting warmer,
which is crappy for painting too. I never paint in the middle of the day
once it gets hot as I can't work with the paints as well, so I leave it
until evening (since I don't have the luxury of air conditioning).

--
Kurt *Kill the nospam to reply* <-- (not Perth)

Oh, so I'm being compared to apartheid now, am I? I'm moving up in the
world.
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Ancient Gamer

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Oct 20, 2003, 7:56:42 AM10/20/03
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Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, Luke R
declares...

Hint number one, Don't use Citadel paints.

Hint number two, if you must use Citadel paints then put some Vaseline on
the cap threads.

Now for some generic advise on paints.

Make sure that you wipe any paint away from the threads, prior to putting
the cap back on.

Make sure your paint is stirred well prior to use, for small pots stir
them up with a toothpick, for the larger craft paint bottles shake them
up really well, if you drop a BB into the paint it will help to mix the
paint quicker.

It is better if you take a small amount (a drop or two) out of the paint
pot and place it in a mixing tray (or a plastic blister from a mini works
well too). This will allow you to paint what you need with out the paint
in the bottle getting thick. If it does start to thicken put a small
amount (half a cap) of window cleaner into the paint and stir it up.

I use small pots that I purchased at wall*mart, to both mix paint and
paint out of, they are fairly cheap, and allows me to save whatever I
didn't use. I can now mix custom colors in a quantity that will allow me
to do whole regiments.

Some notes about washes, a Wash is a thin layer of paint or ink. Most
Inks and all paints are too thick so you need to thin them down prior to
use. For ink the best method I have seen so far is 1 part ink, 10 parts
water and 10 parts liquid floor wax. For paint I use One part paint to 5
parts water and 3 parts window cleaner.

Make sure your brushes are clean, and try to keep paint out of the
ferule, as this will give the brush a longer life. I have cheap brushes
that are over ten years old because I have taken good care of them.

NEVER use the same brush for washes that you use for dry-brushing and
don't use your detail or basecoat brush for either. Here is what I
recommend.

Dry Brushing -- use a short bristle brush, either purchase one or use an
old brush and nib the bristles down to about 1/4 inch.

Base Coats -- I usually use a #1 brush for most of my Basecoats

Washes -- #1 or #2 brush works very well...

Details -- I use a 10/0 and a 2/0 liner brush for nearly all of my detail
work.

PVA GLUE -- use a #2 brush and don't use it for anything else, make sure
you clean it with soapy water after each use.

The last part is actually a good idea for all of your brushes, wash them
with a mild soap and rinse them well, then shape the points. if they came
with bristle protectors put those back on the brush.

Hope this helps a bit...
--
Jim M
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posted on this day, the 3703rd of September in the year 1993...
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Oct 20, 2003, 7:22:48 AM10/20/03
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"Luke R" <tasslehof...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Firstly, don't use GW paint pots, they don't seal properly, allowing air to
get to the paint and causing them to dry. Some people say you can solves
this with Vaseline on the threads, or maybe it's resolved with the new
'flip-top' bottles


Andy O'Neill

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Oct 20, 2003, 9:05:27 AM10/20/03
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"Luke R" <tasslehof...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Do you load your brush by dipping it straight in the pot?

Use a pallette instead.
You can get these cheap from an art shop or similar ( WH smiths in the UK ).
Stir the paint with a toothpick or paper clip.
Roll this off onto your pallette.
Put the lid back on your pot.
Thin the paint a little with water.


Morten Jensen

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Oct 20, 2003, 10:43:42 AM10/20/03
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"Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hint number one, Don't use Citadel paints.
>
What are you guys favorite paints? - how do you go about using the various
GW paint-guides with different branded paints - do you go by feel or is
there some sort of palette-comparison somewere on the web?...is there any
must-know tips for saving some money on paints (i.e. bying basic colors by
the pint at my local paint-store or something)...

Morten


P Bowles

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Oct 20, 2003, 1:02:46 PM10/20/03
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In article <3f93c48d$0$28123$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Luke R"
<tasslehof...@optushome.com.au> writes:

One common hint will be to try another brand of paints, if you're using GW. The
current Games Workshop paints are notorious for this problem, even in good
weather for painting. While I've had quite a few last three years or more in
perfectly good condition, there seems to be far too much chance involved in
getting a good formulation from this range.

Philip Bowles

Ancient Gamer

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Oct 20, 2003, 2:09:20 PM10/20/03
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Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, Morten
Jensen declares...

> > Hint number one, Don't use Citadel paints.
> >
> What are you guys favorite paints? - how do you go about using the various
> GW paint-guides with different branded paints - do you go by feel or is
> there some sort of palette-comparison somewere on the web?...is there any
> must-know tips for saving some money on paints (i.e. bying basic colors by
> the pint at my local paint-store or something)...
>
I use a variety of paints, including tube acrylics, craft paints and
various modeling brands. Velejo is very good, but a bit pricey. Apple
Barrel is very inexpensive, but sometimes to thin. Delta Ceramcoat is
very good and not to expensive. Paints in general are something that you
just need to experiment with until you find a brand that works for you. I
have had people swear up and down that Apple Barrel is the worst paint on
the planet, and others that say it is great, I'm somewhere in between. I
use them because they are cheap. What I don't skimp on though is primer
and sealer, you need to use a REAL primer and a good quality
Sealer/Varnish on your miniatures.

The Cheshire Cat

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Oct 20, 2003, 2:16:35 PM10/20/03
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"Luke R" <tasslehof...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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buy ral partha paints, vellajio or any other number of paints that are
actually worth their price.


K Markus Viljanen

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Oct 20, 2003, 2:26:31 PM10/20/03
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"Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote
> ...Velejo...

"The Cheshire Cat" <chesh...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>...vellajio...

Vallejo.

Where have all the Grammar Nazis gone, this place is getting out of hand...

--
KMarkusV
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Peter Pradelski

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Oct 20, 2003, 10:04:08 AM10/20/03
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Luke R wrote:

The problem are the "Boltershell" bottles of the Citadel paints.
Simply use other paints (or at least other bottles). ;-)

estarriol

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Oct 20, 2003, 2:48:43 PM10/20/03
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"K Markus Viljanen" <kmar...@welho.PANTS.com> wrote in message
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> "Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote
> > ...Velejo...
>
> "The Cheshire Cat" <chesh...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >...vellajio...
>
> Vallejo.
>
> Where have all the Grammar Nazis gone, this place is getting out of
hand...
>
Nahhh this is the spelling nazi's territory, the Grammar ones leave it alone
as its demarcation!

--
estarriol


The Cheshire Cat

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Oct 20, 2003, 3:00:10 PM10/20/03
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"K Markus Viljanen" <kmar...@welho.PANTS.com> wrote in message
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> "Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote
> > ...Velejo...
>
> "The Cheshire Cat" <chesh...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >...vellajio...
>
> Vallejo.
>
> Where have all the Grammar Nazis gone, this place is getting out of
hand...
>

i killed them and ate their brains for their strength.


Ancient Gamer

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Oct 20, 2003, 5:16:26 PM10/20/03
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Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, The
Cheshire Cat declares...
That would explain why you have trouble picking up pieces of paper...

The Cheshire Cat

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"Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote in message
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> Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, The
> Cheshire Cat declares...
> >
> > "K Markus Viljanen" <kmar...@welho.PANTS.com> wrote in message
> > news:bn19hk$667$1...@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> > > "Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote
> > > > ...Velejo...
> > >
> > > "The Cheshire Cat" <chesh...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> > > >...vellajio...
> > >
> > > Vallejo.
> > >
> > > Where have all the Grammar Nazis gone, this place is getting out of
> > hand...
> > >
> >
> > i killed them and ate their brains for their strength.
> >
> That would explain why you have trouble picking up pieces of paper...

yeah. i figured out my mistake after i tried turning my doorknob. now im
stuck in my room forever.


stoomcwoo

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Oct 20, 2003, 5:37:51 PM10/20/03
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> Firstly, don't use GW paint pots, they don't seal properly, allowing air to
> get to the paint and causing them to dry. Some people say you can solves
> this with Vaseline on the threads, or maybe it's resolved with the new
> 'flip-top' bottles


Uh-huh, oh yes. I thought it was a bit crazy when GW introduced the
screw cap after the previous two 'series' being flip-top. But the new
flip-top design is undoubtedly an improvement. Just recently I bought
a Chaos Black (non flip-top) and Codex grey (Flip-top) and both have
being in pretty much constant use. The black is far thicker than the
codex grey already.

I've always thought it was due to the paint not being as exposed with
the flip-top.

Seth

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Oct 28, 2003, 5:10:38 PM10/28/03
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Hi Luke

I'm new to the GW world but I've made quite a few Andrea and Pegaso
miniatures and use Windsor and Newton oil paints. They take bloody ages to
dry and blend really well. You only need maybe 5-7 tubes to cover the range.
Any of you guys used them ?
Plus instead of thinning with water try Windscreen wash. It's great at
cleaning brushes as well.
I hope to get to some ideas from the newsgroup as I'm new to all this GW
stuff. As I'm sick of bloody WW2 Tiger tanks.

Seth


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Ancient Gamer

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Oct 28, 2003, 6:24:57 PM10/28/03
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Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, Seth
declares...

> Hi Luke
>
> I'm new to the GW world but I've made quite a few Andrea and Pegaso
> miniatures and use Windsor and Newton oil paints. They take bloody ages to
> dry and blend really well. You only need maybe 5-7 tubes to cover the range.
> Any of you guys used them ?
> Plus instead of thinning with water try Windscreen wash. It's great at
> cleaning brushes as well.
> I hope to get to some ideas from the newsgroup as I'm new to all this GW
> stuff. As I'm sick of bloody WW2 Tiger tanks.
>

Windsor Newton Oils huh? I'm suitably impressed they are excellent
quality, I however prefer Acrylics. My tube paints are mostly Liquitex,
and then I use a rather hefty number of Craft Paint shades, they are
inexpensive and blend very well. I agree with you about windscreen fluid,
I keep a bottle of windex next to my painting table, it's great for
washes, and thinning the paint when it gets a bit to thick.

Funny how you are sick of WW2, I'm thinking about starting it up again.

Lastly, please don't top post, it is not an acceptable format in this
Newsgroup, and you will end up getting flamed for it...

>
>

--
Jim M
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posted on this day, the 3711th of September in the year 1993...


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to dinner." -- Tony Isabella 10/25/03

The shuffling Shambling Zombiefied corpse of estarriol

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Oct 29, 2003, 2:14:45 AM10/29/03
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>
> Funny how you are sick of WW2, I'm thinking about starting it up again.
>
You are Jim? I keep being tempted but the figs I want are not available in
the scale I want to use!.

10mil figs and vehicles and North Africa for those interested.

--
estarriol


Ancient Gamer

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Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, The
shuffling Shambling Zombiefied corpse of estarriol declares...

I'd like to go with 15mm I think, ten is a little to small for my
tastes... Of course I'll probably only be able to play between planting's
and use my garden for a table...MWAHAHAHA

--
Jim M
only 2 more shopping days until the faux halloween
posted on this day, the 3712th of September in the year 1993...

The shuffling Shambling Zombiefied corpse of estarriol

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"Ancient Gamer" <ancien...@juZZZZZZno.com> wrote in message
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> Entering the world pub known as rec.games.miniatures.warhammer, The
> shuffling Shambling Zombiefied corpse of estarriol declares...
> >
> > >
> > > Funny how you are sick of WW2, I'm thinking about starting it up
again.
> > >
> > You are Jim? I keep being tempted but the figs I want are not available
in
> > the scale I want to use!.
> >
> > 10mil figs and vehicles and North Africa for those interested.
> >
>
> I'd like to go with 15mm I think, ten is a little to small for my
> tastes... Of course I'll probably only be able to play between planting's
> and use my garden for a table...MWAHAHAHA
>
The 10mm stuff is really good for armour and the ability to show the real
effective ranges of artillery, the figs are a little fiddly but WW2 uniforms
were pretty simple.

If you want to Garden wargame go 54mm polythene if you can find them, and
use Tamiya/revell/italeri armour.

--
estarriol


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