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alista...@imf2000.org

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May 17, 2008, 9:17:00 AM5/17/08
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New to the hobby and building up a Space marines army. I understand from
the rules that miniatures must have the wargear shown on your army list.

Does this apply to Krak/Frag grenades? I.e. do I need to glue on the
grenades provided on the sprue?

Can you glue on extra detail like purity seals if you're not actively
using them?

Any other information relating to modelling the miniatures would be
appreciated!

Thanks in advance.

Doctor Rock

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May 17, 2008, 9:25:48 AM5/17/08
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<alista...@IMF2000.org> wrote in message
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> New to the hobby and building up a Space marines army. I understand from
> the rules that miniatures must have the wargear shown on your army list.
>
> Does this apply to Krak/Frag grenades? I.e. do I need to glue on the
> grenades provided on the sprue?

I (and every reasonable gamer i know) would say not - i don't think that you
should HAVE to stick grenades onto every last squad member (in fact it's
sometimes hard to find room if you want to vary poses a lot). that said, if
you're in the habit of giving a squad grenades, it would be a good idea to
have at least one or two members with visible grenades just to avoid any
ambiguity.

some players may expect you to tell them during deployment which units have
what grenades and so on, but i'm not a fan of this approach - i find it
rather boring and anally retentive for friendly games. it's usually a
requirement for tournament play, though.

> Can you glue on extra detail like purity seals if you're not actively
> using them?

sure, as long as you remember you're not using them :P

smithdoerr

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May 17, 2008, 12:46:07 PM5/17/08
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"Doctor Rock" <mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <alista...@IMF2000.org> wrote in message
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>> Can you glue on extra detail like purity seals if you're not actively


>> using them?
>
> sure, as long as you remember you're not using them :P

The sergeant is usually the only model in a squad who can take purity seals
so he's the only one who matters. If he's got the wargear you should put it
on the model to avoid confusion.

For everyone else in the squad they're for cosmetic purposes only as
scraping off the purity seals that are molded to some of the legs would be a
pain. Just say they're special ribbons they got for putting on clean power
underwear every day this week.


--

-smithdoerr

JohnPau...@gmail.com

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May 17, 2008, 11:04:22 PM5/17/08
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Hey,

On May 17, 9:17 am, <alistair-n...@IMF2000.org> wrote:
> miniatures must have the wargear shown on your army list

Most places, WYSIWYG pertains to any weapons held in either hand.
IE, a "Bolt Pistol and Power Sword Sergeant" must be modeled as such.
His Melta Bomb option needn't, and in many cases can't, be modeled-
on.

> Does this apply to Krak/Frag grenades?

Squad upgrades are the same - Special or Heavy Weapons must be
modeled.
Anything else is player's prerogative, but there's a problem -

Other players.

> Can you glue on extra detail like purity seals if you're not actively
> using them?

That's where the 'other player' problem comes in:
Some say yes, and some say no.

The naysayers are the anally retentive types Doc Rock mentioned
above.
What's important to everyone else is that your gear is costed in your
list.
And that we don't feel unduly pressured by anal retentives . . .


Playa

Erik Setzer

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May 18, 2008, 1:34:00 AM5/18/08
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 14:25:48 +0100, "Doctor Rock"
<mal...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>
><alista...@IMF2000.org> wrote in message
>news:slrng2tmmk.6as...@reason.imf2000.org...
>> New to the hobby and building up a Space marines army. I understand from
>> the rules that miniatures must have the wargear shown on your army list.
>>
>> Does this apply to Krak/Frag grenades? I.e. do I need to glue on the
>> grenades provided on the sprue?
>
>I (and every reasonable gamer i know) would say not - i don't think that you
>should HAVE to stick grenades onto every last squad member (in fact it's
>sometimes hard to find room if you want to vary poses a lot). that said, if
>you're in the habit of giving a squad grenades, it would be a good idea to
>have at least one or two members with visible grenades just to avoid any
>ambiguity.

I believe the rulebook and every description of WYSIWYG specifically
states grenades DON'T have to be modeled on. WYSIWYG is already a
pain in the ass with new Marines carrying a bolter, bolt pistol,
knife, and two types of grenade, plus a tent, a bedroll, a couple of
fire extinguishers, and a pack of Trojans.

>some players may expect you to tell them during deployment which units have
>what grenades and so on, but i'm not a fan of this approach - i find it
>rather boring and anally retentive for friendly games. it's usually a
>requirement for tournament play, though.
>
>> Can you glue on extra detail like purity seals if you're not actively
>> using them?
>
>sure, as long as you remember you're not using them :P

Generally most people aren't going to be that anal. The ones who are,
just don't play them, or maul their scores in an RTT. Details to make
a fig look good, as long as they're reasonable without creating
confusion, should be encouraged, not frowned upon.

--
Erik

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alista...@imf2000.org

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May 18, 2008, 4:36:29 AM5/18/08
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[JohnPau...@gmail.com wrote in rec.games.miniatures.warhammer]

> Squad upgrades are the same - Special or Heavy Weapons must be
> modeled.
> Anything else is player's prerogative, but there's a problem -
>
> Other players.

Yes, I realised that I've glued what I think is a company banner onto
one of my sergents as it was on the sprue and looks good. I hope
something like that wouldnt cause a problem.


> The naysayers are the anally retentive types Doc Rock mentioned
> above.
> What's important to everyone else is that your gear is costed in your
> list.
> And that we don't feel unduly pressured by anal retentives . . .

I'm using the army builder software which seems to provide a good list of
what you have and don't have in the army. I'd have thought that
providing a print out for the other player would be enough in most
cases.

The Cheshire Cat

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May 26, 2008, 7:55:48 AM5/26/08
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<alista...@IMF2000.org> wrote in message
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if anyone ever bitches because you dont have grenades modeled on your
character or you have purity seals when you cant have the war gear, its
perfectly within the law to shoot them in the face.

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