> Which is how we arrive at the caracole....
It was,at its best,a
>relentless machine. If you were a pikeman,unable to shoot back,this
>caracole crap got old quick.
> Why then was it almost universally despised by the military thinkers
>of the day?
I expect they found it was seldom lived up to its best. That circulating
drill is complicated and probably broke down alot under battlefield
conditions when either firearm infantry or charging cavalry showed up to
oppose it.
After breakdown, you have a disordered formation with some going forward,
some back, ripe for morale failure.
Ed Allen
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> Why then was it almost universally despised by the military thinkers
>of the day?
Because it's a complex evolution, which would invariably fall apart in
actual practice, because the real effective range of a wheellock
pistol is closer to 10 feet than 100m, because they could be shot off
the field by musketeers, and because it would get flattened by a
charge from any more agressive cavalry, like for instance Dutch
cuirassiers.
> Alas,it's time for bed. More will be related tomorrow,fear naught.
>A quick note for Mr.G.Wilson: for sources,try Oman or Archer Jones. If
Nah, Oman's a twit.
John M. Atkinson
'erols' instead of spamblock
"Ultimately, most problems can be solved by applying a large
brick to the correct skull. Difficulties arise when you don't
have a brick or can't find the right skull. The devil is always
in the details."
--Marcus Cole
Warmest Regards,
H
Well, it wasn't despised . It was in use up through the 30 years war and the
french were still trying it as late as the 1690's.
Remember they are not evil---they are just stupid!!
Tim
>Warmest Regards,
>H
Eric or H or ?
can you give any hints how these might be accessed - internet? publisher
references etc.
As I may have said before - this is the most interesting and informative
thread ever ever !! Many thanks
A couple of suggestions:
First off, early in the period (say in the 16th century) infantry still had
a tendency to be pike columns with a smattering of skirimishing shot. Against
that sort of opponent the practice of firing pistols and getting the hell out
of there to reload would naturally appeal. The latest successful use of that
tactic, admittedly somewhat less formal, would be found in the conflicts
between the Voertrekkers and the Matabele in the 19th century. As time went
on, not only did more agressive pistol cavalry occur (and, at such places as
Kircholm, residual agressive heavy lancers) but the infantry began to contain
a heavier ratio of shot. Thus the caracole cavalry was likely to outpointed
shot for shot worse than lancers faced with pike columns.
Second, with reference to French cavalry using the caracole in the 1690's, I
think Louis XIV's cavalry tactics have improved greatly since 1972 or
thereabouts. German cavalry seems to have been more consistently pistol
oriented than the French in the War of the League of Augsburg. Chandler's
views on the subject ameliorated somewhat between MARLBOROUGH AS A MILITARY
COMMANDER, which had the caracole for the WSS, and THE ART OF WAR IN THE AGE
OF MARLBOROUGH, which cursed the French mounted army only with having picked
up a degree of reliance on pistols before the melee from the Germans between
the 1690's and 1702.Nosworthy(ANATOMY OF VICTORY) concurs with various
European authors (e.g. Arteus STRIDSTAKTIC) to the effect that French cavalry
did not have a universal tactical doctrine (as did, for example, the
Anglo-Dutch and the Swedes.) He continues the story of the Gendarmarie at
Blindhiem using pistols, but his interpretation isn't convincing. He bases it
on Parker's account which doesn't make mention of firing.
I wouldn't discount the occurence of something like a caracole in the WSS
with the proliferation of newly raised two squadron French cavalry regiments.
And there is no reason to doubt the use of mounted fire when the French
cavalry line crumpled at Blindhiem at the end of the day. But in the latter
case you had troops who had been fought out, some of whom (from Tallard's
army) had been coping with a Glanders epedemic among the horses.
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What follows has been distilled from those discussions.
The Reiter comes about because you have a well trained horse, owned by a
professional soldier, and a weapon that was invented for use on horseback, the
wheel lock pistol. There is an immobile, dense target, the pike block where it
is hard to miss with even an inaccurate weapon. Presto, you have
the reiter. Reiters were originally cheap unarmored lancers, but,
(and this comes from a proud Hungarian source) once they were armed with
pistols, Croatians and Hungarians in Imperial service came up with the
Caracole (snail) maneuver. Actually, this would make some sense as
horse archer mentality would make the most of this new technology. The
Germans adopted the system, recruits coming from the horse rich
areas of Brunswick, Saxony and the Palatinate.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Spain,
Portugal, France and Denmark all raised reiter types. The
eastern nations did not need to, they already had horse archers.
Reiters were at their best during the French Wars of Religion.
Even George Gush in "Renaissance Armies," gives a favorable quote
about them being effective. The French hired reiters to augment
their Gendarmes. Both La Noue and Brantome, chroniclers of the
period, vouch for their effectiveness.
"They were armored to the teeth, and carried plenty of pistols" -Brantome.
"Since the money of the French throne was going to pay for the
reiters, every parent hoped to see his son chosen to be in the
ranks of the reiters." This from La Noue, referring to the
French practice of families sending their sons to German families
related to a Rittmeister, in the hope that they would be picked
to serve in his squadron.
There were about 7,000 of them in French service by 1558. They
were called "barbouille'" or "chaffoure," in France. Under the
reign of Henry II they fought on both sides from 1562-1586.
Finally at the battle of Auneau (1587) they were crushed in a
hard fought battle. In fact so many armored reiter corpses were
thrown into the moat surrounding the castle in the aftermath,
that for a long time afterward the farmers in the area would come
to excavate metal needed to repair their tools!
Like most military systems of warfare, ways were found to
overcome the reiter. The best was to charge them with close order
lancers as they were wheeling, as to catch them in the flank as at
Auneau.
The reiters fell in decline from that point, the reiters in Dutch
service were the last to be really effective. By the 1620, the
great Ritter families were almost nonexistent, and the corps a
mere shadow of itself. The 30 year war reiters, and the Imperial reiters
were terrible in the following Turkish war, often unwilling to close with the
enemy and caracole. Finally the arm was being replaced by sword wielding
cuirassiers, mounted on inferior horses, who could only charge at
the trot. In the "L' Art militaire a' cheval," (1618) we are
told: " and there was a shortage of lancers and pistoliers, (reiter) so
corasses (cuirassiers) had to be used . . .if one takes away the
lance from the lancer, or the pistol from the reiter, with his steady mount,
mounts him on an inferior horse that is no good at all in a sudden clash
with enemy lancers, then you have a corassier."
The tactic had to have some validity, as Pat mentioned before, it was
carried in several drill books until the mid 1700s. The Spanish
Riding School and the Austrian Riding School still teach it in a
form of Dressage.
Since the reiters and cuirassiers always moved at the trot, why do we
see them in rules moving almost as fast as light horse?
All for now
Steve Phenow.
Editor, Strategos