[BT] Japanese Battletech
bo...@geonet.com
During the recent discussions of Battletech art vs. other mecha art I
posted more than my fair share. One of you sent me an Email
reprimanding me for mouthing off so much and never contributing
anything to this newsgroup. The guy was right. I've never really
contributed anything to this newsgroup.
I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
take a look when you have a chance.
http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
Battletech.
Studio Nue, the same studio that gave us Macross, worked on the
Japanese art for FASA. It looks pretty likely that Studio Nue used
different artists than their Macross crew.
Some people on this newsgroup have said that they don't like the
"anime-looking" mecha art coming out of Japan. I'm interested in
knowing what you think of the Japanese Battletech art as it was
created by anime artists but it was created specifically for
Battletech. The Japanese Battletech designs have never been used on
TV, in movies or comics, or much of anywhere else. It's pure
Battletech.
Please take a look and keep this thread going for a few days.
A.o.D.
looks like the Japanese edition designs in the US are the 3055 mechs,
and IIRC, those were done by a Japanese interest.
It makes me wonder if folks in Japan are playing the same game as
everyone else. : ) Also, what would the House Armies and Clans do if
they saw these designs? :) :)
Thanks for sharing.
A.o.D.
"This is MY game. I make the rules!" -Michael Cevan
That guy in the corner
> http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
> I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
> art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
> comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
> thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
> Battletech.
Holy Cow!!! It's, it's so different! Ok, I'm something of an otaku nut,
but I really like the mecha. The tanks I think are ok, not really that
special (except maybe that one speeder- Yow!).
> Studio Nue, the same studio that gave us Macross, worked on the
> Japanese art for FASA. It looks pretty likely that Studio Nue used
> different artists than their Macross crew.
Studio Nue did this?!? I've been playing Btech since '87, and all this
time I've been totally clueless that this stuff might be out there.
Wow...Is there any more of it?
> Some people on this newsgroup have said that they don't like the
> "anime-looking" mecha art coming out of Japan. I'm interested in
> knowing what you think of the Japanese Battletech art as it was
> created by anime artists but it was created specifically for
> Battletech. The Japanese Battletech designs have never been used on
> TV, in movies or comics, or much of anywhere else. It's pure
> Battletech.
Do you have any other art from your japanese collection? I,
for one, would be delighted to see some more. Say, you said on your page
that you might take it down after a while. Why not find someone w/ a
dedicated btech page willing to keep the pics up w/ a little note
explaining what the pics are and whatnot; I bet there are a hell of alot
of players who haven't seen these and think (like I thought until I saw
these) that they just translated the book and released it in Japan.
Keeping them up somewhere will clue people in.
Do they minis for these in Japan? I'd be interested in getting
some.
That guy in the corner
*Love that Locust!!*
George Kullavan
Solaris VII boxed set.
Too bad, otherwise, it would have been nice to just use the japanese art
to represent the classics. (Sure, my Marauder doesn't look like what I
remembered it as, but I suppose memories get bad after too many head
hits.)
bo...@geonet.com wrote:
> Hello, Battletech fans!
>
> During the recent discussions of Battletech art vs. other mecha art I
> posted more than my fair share. One of you sent me an Email
> reprimanding me for mouthing off so much and never contributing
> anything to this newsgroup. The guy was right. I've never really
> contributed anything to this newsgroup.
>
> I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
> some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
> rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
> take a look when you have a chance.
>
> http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
>
> I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
> art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
> comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
> thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
> Battletech.
> <Snip>
Adam Froehlig
> It makes me wonder if folks in Japan are playing the same game as
>everyone else. : ) Also, what would the House Armies and Clans do if
>they saw these designs? :) :)
While I was stationed in Japan, I had the opportunity to take a good look at
the Japanese Battletech rules, and although I couldn't understand most of the
kanji, they are essentially the same rules as ours, although the version I
looked at would be akin to the first Battletech Compendium.
Interestingly enough, the Japanese have a scenario book out on Tamar.
Couldn't tell if it was one of the Kuritan invasions, or if it was Kerensky
and Company in 3051.
Froggie
Feign 2000
Y'know, they DO need new art for the unseen. This may save the whole thing.
And it's all FASA, they can't get sued for any of it.
Hmmmm...
Feign
LORDZIBA
Colonel Ziba, Tikanov reaches
The Man in the Iron Mech
bo...@geonet.com wrote:
>
> I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
> some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
> rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
> take a look when you have a chance.
>
<picks jaw up from floor>
Where can I get a copy?
> http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
>
Leave the site up dammit! :) (Or put it on Evilnet or something)
>
> Some people on this newsgroup have said that they don't like the
> "anime-looking" mecha art coming out of Japan.
Screw them. <g>
I'm interested in
> knowing what you think of the Japanese Battletech art as it was
> created by anime artists but it was created specifically for
> Battletech. The Japanese Battletech designs have never been used on
> TV, in movies or comics, or much of anywhere else. It's pure
> Battletech.
>
Well, it certainly is different. I'm just wondering why Fasa did't use
this artwork for comics, movies, etc. IMHO, this incarnation of BT
would
have been a real big hit in Japan if coupled with Stackpole's writing.
Now if only I could get a model kit of that Shadow Hawk....
-Andrew
Hawktel
bo...@geonet.com.....
>Hello, Battletech fans!
<Snipage of bob contributing big time>
>Please follow the link and take a look when you have a chance.
Well.... That is interesting. Very interesting. I see the source of the
solaris
mechs now. I wasn't increadably happy with them when they were released. While
the shapes and configurations were nice, I think someof them were a bit to...
Weird perhaps.
I was suprised to see the way the unseen turned out. While I think the Locust
is to close to the orginal locust, many of the other mechs would make nice
replacements to the unseen. In particular the Mad, Hammer, Archer, and BM. I
think if the weird shapes and strangle flangy bit were pared off, and some
smooth glasis plating installed I can seen them stepping right into the open
holes we have with the unseen.
Also is it just me or do most of these mechs have Huge feet? The feet ont he
Marauder, and the Archer, seem to reach forever.
I like the tanks though. All very nice looking
Hawktel
J. W. Smith
>I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
>some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
>take a look when you have a chance.
One question and I'm sure it's going to sound off the wall but here it is
anyway. What do the Japanese use for miniatures? I don't think Ral Partha
make two different sets of minis, so where do the Japanese get their minis
and are they available anywhere here in the U.S.
Wes Smith
Jim Wilcox
bo...@geonet.com wrote:
>
> http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
>
> I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
> art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
> comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
> thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
> Battletech.
>
> Japanese art for FASA. It looks pretty likely that Studio Nue used
> different artists than their Macross crew.
>
> knowing what you think of the Japanese Battletech art as it was
> created by anime artists but it was created specifically for
> Battletech. The Japanese Battletech designs have never been used on
> TV, in movies or comics, or much of anywhere else. It's pure
> Battletech.
>
I really like these. I am a big Warhammer fan, and the Japanese
Warhammer is neat looking, even though it looks like the SRM and
spotlight could get shot off easily. I also like how its pose echoes
the pose from the 3025 TR.
Don Shaffer
> Hello, Battletech fans!
>
> I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
> some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
> rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
> take a look when you have a chance.
I'm sure i'm in the minority here but...these are some of the UGLIEST mecha
I've ever seen. There are a couple of exceptions, but by and large it
looks like they tried to put TO much detail into each one. That and what
they did to the tanks was a travesty!
At least the old Btech tanks looked like tanks..these things....bleah.
Anyways, thats my opinion, take it as you may. :)
Vladdus Mpale
Wow!
Let me say that again.
Wow!
These things are cool, if a departure from
the flatter mechs of the earlier TRs and more
curved. The pictures for the Unseen are close
enough that we can recognize them, but have
so many little detail touches (flangs, for one)
that it looks quite different. I don't think they'd
have any legal problems using these.
I certainly hope FASA adopts this art, at
least for the Unseen (dunno 'bout the other
TR3025 mechs; I like 'em how they are,
thankyouverymuch!).
Bob, or Bobs, please leave the page up!
BTW, that bottom rifle is a Blazer laser
rifle. It's a short-range, double-barreled
laser rifle that's the ultimate in close-range
laser power. Best thing to go after armored
guys for infantry.
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Vladdus Mpale
> I'm sure i'm in the minority here but...these are some of the UGLIEST mecha
> I've ever seen. There are a couple of exceptions, but by and large it
> looks like they tried to put TO much detail into each one. That and what
> they did to the tanks was a travesty!
> At least the old Btech tanks looked like tanks..these things....bleah.
> Anyways, thats my opinion, take it as you may. :)
Ah, well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
The "feel" of the Japanese 'mechs is definitely
different from the 'mechs in TR3025 - which
IMA tended to be rather flat and unrounded.
Too each their own. I thought the tanks looked
bad, too, and that the Japanese mechs have too
big feet, but overall I like 'em - and would take 'em
in a TR rather than see the Unseen vanish.
Jim Wilcox
All they'd need to do is clean them up a little...knock off all the
little things sticking out here and there. A 'Mech doesn't need jet
tubes and spikes and things sticking out.But that's a matter of
aesthetics...<Grin>
I noticed that if something is in the right arm, the picture shows it
in the right arm, unlike a lot of the pictures from the various TR's.
Adam Froehlig
>One question and I'm sure it's going to sound off the wall but here it is
>anyway. What do the Japanese use for miniatures? I don't think Ral Partha
>make two different sets of minis, so where do the Japanese get their minis
>and are they available anywhere here in the U.S.
The one game shop in Yokohama that I frequented during my 3 year tour in Japan
sold the standard Ral Partha miniatures. I didn't see anything else even
remotely associated with Battletech, with the possible exception of Heavy
Gear.
Froggie
LordZiba3
I just saw the site and to mech look like unmaid destroids for Macross 7
sequiels. A lot of vritech fighters aka LAMs in Battletech in battloid or mech
mode look like those mechs from the side, esspessially VF-11 Thandrbolt in
armored version.
Santiago22
marauder and a few others. If you have more art please put it up. I would love
to see a TR with this kind of art. Maybe a small TR with only the unseen mechs.
Mad Mike
All hail Stackpole! :P
> Studio Nue, the same studio that gave us Macross, worked on the
> Japanese art for FASA. It looks pretty likely that Studio Nue used
> different artists than their Macross crew.
What's the ISBN number and are these games still print? I
wanna try my luck at Kinokuniya or Asahiya and backorder...
Mad Mike
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Jeffrey Smith
>I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
>art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
>comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
>thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
>Battletech.
<snip>
Has anyone asked the guys at FASA why they aren't using these?
Granted, some don't mesh well with the universe, and there's a lot of
extraneous crap that probably would need to be removed, but you'd
think at least a few could be reused with a little diddling....
I'm not really fond of the 'organic' look myself, since it clashes
with my preconcieved notions of BT, but hell, any picture is better
than a slow phasing out of the Unseen....
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> Has anyone asked the guys at FASA why they aren't using these?
<snip>
> I'm not really fond of the 'organic' look myself, since it clashes
> with my preconcieved notions of BT, but hell, any picture is better
> than a slow phasing out of the Unseen....
Well, you'd have a hard time convincing me that they're any worse than
the last batch of crud FASA's artists turned out (TR3060). And
personally, I thought some of the Japanese Unseen rocked - the Locust
might be a bit too close to the original, but it sure does look good
with those exposed MGs. And the Rifleman... well, all I can say is that
/THAT'S/ how an RFL's supposed to look - menacing as all hell. Also, I
liked the cooling flange theme for the PPCs in the Warhammer and Griffin
(another pair of lookers).
So... does anyone /really/ think we'd have a chance if we started a
nice, sane mailing campaign to FASA asking them to substitute this
artwork for the Unseen? Because that's a bandwagon I'd gladly jump on.
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George Kullavan
>
> Has anyone asked the guys at FASA why they aren't using these?
> extraneous crap that probably would need to be removed, but you'd
> think at least a few could be reused with a little diddling....
>
<Snip>
Because a few of the pictures have been used in the Solaris VII boxed set.
Notably the Marauder, Wasp, Stinger, and Locust. (The Colossus, Koto, and
I'm not sure about the Wasp/Stinger designs.)
Solarmech
writes:
>Has anyone asked the guys at FASA why they aren't using these?
>Granted, some don't mesh well with the universe, and there's a lot of
>extraneous crap that probably would need to be removed, but you'd
>think at least a few could be reused with a little diddling....
>
>I'm not really fond of the 'organic' look myself, since it clashes
>with my preconcieved notions of BT, but hell, any picture is better
>than a slow phasing out of the Unseen....
>
>**** **** **** ****
>SubGenius Police, Usenet Tactical Unit (Mobile), aka S.P.U.T.U.M.
I agree. The Japanese BT mechs need some of the "detail" removed. For the
Japanese these mechs are "in style". But here in the States, they look overdone
to most people. (They look overdone to me and I have seen a lot more anime than
most people) The original mechs created a certain style for the game. For the
most part that style has been continued. These mechs are a little to different
to be adopted without some alterations. sm
People will accepy your ideas much more
readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin
said it first.
BRANDON IVIE
: > <snip>
: >
: > Has anyone asked the guys at FASA why they aren't using these?
: > Granted, some don't mesh well with the universe, and there's a lot of
: > extraneous crap that probably would need to be removed, but you'd
: > think at least a few could be reused with a little diddling....
: <Snip>
: Because a few of the pictures have been used in the Solaris VII boxed set.
: Notably the Marauder, Wasp, Stinger, and Locust. (The Colossus, Koto, and
: I'm not sure about the Wasp/Stinger designs.)
Wasp-Morpheus, Stinger-Tsunami. After looking at the Japanese art,
though, these two are still slightly different than thier Japanese
counterparts. The Marauder and Locust are much more literal translations.
Anyway, That's a mere 4 designs. Besides, with Solaris out of
print now, I don't see why they'd have any problem with reuseing the
artwork for the unseen...
Brandon
Jason Andresen
>Because a few of the pictures have been used in the Solaris VII boxed set.
>Notably the Marauder, Wasp, Stinger, and Locust. (The Colossus, Koto, and
>I'm not sure about the Wasp/Stinger designs.)
Hasn't Solaris 7 been OOP for quite some time now? S7 has certainly been
gone longer than the unseen.
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Chris Thompson wrote:
> Well, you'd have a hard time convincing me that they're any worse
than
> the last batch of crud FASA's artists turned out (TR3060). And
> personally, I thought some of the Japanese Unseen rocked - the Locust
> might be a bit too close to the original, but it sure does look good
> with those exposed MGs. And the Rifleman... well, all I can say is that
> /THAT'S/ how an RFL's supposed to look - menacing as all hell. Also, I
> liked the cooling flange theme for the PPCs in the Warhammer and Griffin
> (another pair of lookers).
Some were very nice looking, some, were, well... The demolisher.
UGH! :)
> So... does anyone /really/ think we'd have a chance if we started a
> nice, sane mailing campaign to FASA asking them to substitute this
> artwork for the Unseen? Because that's a bandwagon I'd gladly jump on.
Let's go for it. :)
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Jason Andresen wrote:
> Hasn't Solaris 7 been OOP for quite some time now? S7 has certainly been
> gone longer than the unseen.
And also considering that far less people have seen/owned S7 then the
orginal box set... :)
Scott Francis[Mechaman]
On 19 Sep 1998 14:14:38 GMT, Solarmech <sola...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <3603591b....@mail.exo.com>, Jeffrey Smith
<Pr...@sputum.com>
>writes:
>>I'm not really fond of the 'organic' look myself, since it clashes
>>with my preconcieved notions of BT, but hell, any picture is better
>>than a slow phasing out of the Unseen....
>
>I agree. The Japanese BT mechs need some of the "detail" removed. For the
>Japanese these mechs are "in style". But here in the States, they look
overdone
>to most people. (They look overdone to me and I have seen a lot more anime
than
>most people) The original mechs created a certain style for the game. For the
Depends on your definition of "overdone". They're highly-detail
oriented, but no more than say Shirow's Landmates or Fuchikomas. They
remind me of the Macross II ground units--especially the illustrations
used for the Palladium Macross II sourcebook. (the Shadowhawk in
particular reminds me of the Excalibur).
Heck, Gundam 0083, while having flat instead of rounded armor mostly,
seems to be roughly the same amount of detail. [1]
[1] http://members.aol.com/PnzrGundam/0083.htm
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bo...@geonet.com
Battletech Web page. I want to say I appreciate the 2 people who
helped me with the Vedette tank name and the description of the blaser
laser rifle. I'll make those changes to my page soon. By the way,
what is the combat role of the Vedette tank?
A few people have asked where I got my Japanese Battletech books. I
picked up the Japanese editions of the basic rulebook, the Mechwarrior
book and the Black Widow book at Shosen Bookmart in the Kanda area of
Tokyo. I didn't see any other Japanese Battletech books at that time
but hopefully there are more now. If any of you guys have seen these
other books please let the rest of us know.
I'm ashamed to say I stripped my books apart to make scanning easier.
I didn't save the back covers that have the price and ISBN numbers. I
was rash and foolish in my younger days (about 6 months ago) and I
didn't think about saving the pages that didn't have any pictures.
Next time I'm in Tokyo I'll try to get fuller information for you
guys.
A few people have requested I keep the Japanese Battletech page loaded
up. I'll try to do that. I also have more people in uniform pictures
that I can load up if anyone is interested. If you'd like to
recommend additions or changes to my page then just send Email to the
address on the page.
To toss in my 2 cents, I didn't like all of the designs. The Archer
looks like a gorilla and the Crusader looks like a guy with a wild
hairdo wearing oversized ski boots. However, I did like the
Demolisher tank. In fact, it was my favorite tank.
Vladdus Mpale
(snip)
> what is the combat role of the Vedette tank?
Common, light punch, no advanced things (though
the new one has an Ultra AC/5) - it's the backbone
of many militias and has a long-range punch.
Not something to use against mechs unless you're
swarming light mechs with AC fire.
Ian Warner
>
> > Hello, Battletech fans!
> >
> > During the recent discussions of Battletech art vs. other mecha art I
> > posted more than my fair share. One of you sent me an Email
> > reprimanding me for mouthing off so much and never contributing
> > anything to this newsgroup. The guy was right. I've never really
> > contributed anything to this newsgroup.
> >
> > I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
> > some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
> > rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
> > take a look when you have a chance.
> >
> >
> > I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
> > art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
> > comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
> > thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
> > Battletech.
<drooling> Beautiful.
I have always loved the look of anime mecha, and now i can see what some of
my favorite designs look like in this format. Loved the dragon and SHD
especially, don't like the MAD though. Looks like a cross between a
behemoth and a devastator.
Post more please! This art kicks ass, and i want to see more of it.
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Jstrick1
Well here's a stupid question for you. How come the Japanese art is so
different from the American ruleooks? How come we aren't getting these cool
pics?
Jim S.
Vladdus Mpale
Different cultures and different exposure. As you
might be able to tell from the backlash against
certain TR3055 and TR3060 mechs, the typical
japanese mecha is not quite what we percieve
as a BattleMech. A lot of Americans haven't
been exposed to Macross/Robotech, but you
can bet that quite a bit more Japanese have;
also, given the variety of different and
capability of mecha in Japanese anime and
manga, our treasured BattleMechs look,
well, stupid. Slow, inflexible, and robotic.
Hawktel
Scott Francis...
>Depends on your definition of "overdone". They're highly-detail
Okay Like on the Marauder the 45 degree bottle things on the arms. Or like
on
the Archer, the way the 2 rear shooting lasers are perched on that antenna
thing. Also how the SRM6 on the Wolve look like it was added as a after
thought. I think lots of the mechs look like the weapons were added as a
afterthought that way. Sort of like some of the weapons were Blue Taced on.
And don't forget the whole big feet and pointy toes thing. Also lets not
forget
the Quill looking things on the calf region on many mechs.
Another specific is on the Arm baffles of the Archer. What is with the
exhaust
tubes off the top? Clean that off please.
And the Crud? I like everything but the light aeroplane that landed where
the
head shoulds be. A nice DeathsHead cockpit right there would make a nice
addition
Well I'm sure you get the Picture
Hawktel
Hawktel
Strangly enough I think it is the Main utility track in the IS. Got the Long
Range, some hitting power from the AC5, Good speed, Okay armor, and dirt
cheap.
If you run into a lance of them in a light mech chances are your in trouble.
Maybe it is the Albatross/Shadow Hawk/Jack Track. I mean it is good for
scouting, good for firesupport, good for mixing it up with that armor, good
for
Anti-Infantry with the MG. But it aint great at any danged thing.
Needless to say I have 4 minitures of them, and I use them alot.
Hawktel
Chris Thompson
> Okay Like on the Marauder the 45 degree bottle things on the arms. Or like
> on the Archer, the way the 2 rear shooting lasers are perched on that
> antenna thing.
Ummm, Ed... that's where the rear-mounted mediums are on the /American/
Archer, too. It's just that they're drawn with a bit more detail and
emphasis (as everything else seemed to be) on the Japanese one. AFAIK,
those aren't antennae atop the ARC's head on that swivel mount. At
least they're not supposed to be, if you assume a direct port from the
Macross/Robotech version. Same as the head-mounted ML on the Wolverine
- that's what that itty-bitty ball turret is supposed to be.
unicorn
>
>Hello, Battletech fans!
>
>During the recent discussions of Battletech art vs. other mecha art I
>posted more than my fair share. One of you sent me an Email
>reprimanding me for mouthing off so much and never contributing
>anything to this newsgroup. The guy was right. I've never really
>contributed anything to this newsgroup.
>
>I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
>some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
>rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
>take a look when you have a chance.
>
>http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
>
>I thought it would be fun for us to match up the American and Japanese
>art for the same mechs and vehicles. Instead of Emailing your
>comments to me please post them to this newsgroup as a reply to this
>thread. I want to know what you all think of the Japanese art for
>Battletech.
Saw it, loved it.
I will be incorporating some of the illustrations into my campaign to
stand in for some of the mechs for which we have descriptions but no
illos (ie the Alliance and Screaming Hawk from Battletechnology)
Thanks for bringing this stuff to us.
If you have any more like that from some of the other Japanese BT
supplements please put it up where we all can enjoy it.
Regards
Unicorn
unicorn
>
>I'm glad to see that people have taken the time to stop by my Japanese
>Battletech Web page. I want to say I appreciate the 2 people who
>helped me with the Vedette tank name and the description of the blaser
>laser rifle. I'll make those changes to my page soon. By the way,
>
>
>up. I'll try to do that. I also have more people in uniform pictures
>that I can load up if anyone is interested. If you'd like to
>recommend additions or changes to my page then just send Email to the
>address on the page.
I would very much appreciate you putting up images of people in uniforms,
they make great source material for mercenary units as well as the houses.
Once again, thanks for introducing this material to a wider audience.
Regards
Unicorn
BRANDON IVIE
: Hawktel wrote:
: > Okay Like on the Marauder the 45 degree bottle things on the arms. Or like
: > on the Archer, the way the 2 rear shooting lasers are perched on that
: > antenna thing.
: Ummm, Ed... that's where the rear-mounted mediums are on the /American/
: Archer, too. It's just that they're drawn with a bit more detail and
: emphasis (as everything else seemed to be) on the Japanese one. AFAIK,
: those aren't antennae atop the ARC's head on that swivel mount. At
: least they're not supposed to be, if you assume a direct port from the
: Macross/Robotech version. Same as the head-mounted ML on the Wolverine
: - that's what that itty-bitty ball turret is supposed to be.
Actually, FASA changed the archer from the macross version. The
lasers are now antennae. If you look at the Archer mini, you'll see the
lasers are located on the rearlower torsos in a ball-type mount.
Brandon
Hawktel
Chris
> Ummm, Ed... that's where the rear-mounted mediums are on the
>/American/ Archer, too. It's just that they're drawn with a bit more detail
and
>emphasis (as everything else seemed to be) on the Japanese one. AFAIK,
>those aren't antennae atop the ARC's head on that swivel mount. At
>least they're not supposed to be, if you assume a direct port from the
>Macross/Robotech version. Same as the head-mounted ML on the >Wolverine -
that's what that itty-bitty ball turret is supposed to be.
I do know that but the American Archer has the 2 meds on the sides of that
protusion. The Jappanese Archer looks pretty flimsy. (Least that part) Perhaps
if they removed that part, and placed a small turrent, like the rear faux
turrent on the Slayer. I agree with you though the mini ball turent on the
wolvie looks lame.
While I understand that the Mechs came from Macross, I don't know if that is a
good excuse. The few Anemie flicks I have seen seem pretty lame (Just my
opionion). If Fasa was going to take the chance and rerelease the Unseen,
(They
arn't) I see no reason no to clean them up a little Least the silly parts like
the 2 meds on the Archer, and the ball "Turrent" on the wolvie
Hawktel
Jason Donahue
BRANDON IVIE wrote in message <6ub5t7$mek$1-...@coward.cc.utah.edu>...
> Actually, FASA changed the archer from the macross version. The
>lasers are now antennae. If you look at the Archer mini, you'll see the
>lasers are located on the rearlower torsos in a ball-type mount.
>
>Brandon
>
Sorry, but you're incorrect, Brandon. FASA did not change it.
For starters, I checked both my ARC miniatures, and neither had the turret
you mentioned.
The biggest point of evidence to FASA not changing it can be found in the
3025 Tech Readout. Now, in the archer's section, under the first paragraph
of Capabilities, it reads:
The four Diverse Optics Type 18 medium lasers are designed
for medium- to short-ranged combat, with two of them positioned
in a central turret above the cockpit for rearward fire.
What FASA _did_ change was the position of the cockpit. In the original
Macross/Robotech anime, the pilot sat directly ahead of that turret, with
the center torso section being a gun pod equipped with a protective hinged
section. However, the second paragraph reads:
The _Archer_ is one of few BattleMechs whose cockpit is located
beneath the central torso. This obviously gives the pilot a battlefield
perspective quite different from most normal cockpit positions.
Armor protection is still about the same as in other heavy 'Mechs,
however, as the torso armor belt is located above the cockpit area,
protecting the gyro mechanism and the VOX 280 engine unit.
Well, that's it for now. Personally, I dig on the Shadow Hawk, Locust,
Griffin, Enforcer, Warhammer, and Panther from the Japanese versions. The
rest I could live without (well, the Jeep's kinda cool, and that Skimmer
just kicks ass).
Later,
--Jason
jdon...@san.rr.com
Murrdox
> > > some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
> > > rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
> > > take a look when you have a chance.
> > >
> > > http://www.ior.com/~tachyon/battletech.html
>
> I have always loved the look of anime mecha, and now i can see what some of
> my favorite designs look like in this format. Loved the dragon and SHD
> especially, don't like the MAD though. Looks like a cross between a
> behemoth and a devastator.
>
> Post more please! This art kicks ass, and i want to see more of it.
>
I checked out the site, and I must say, I think it's very impressive and
interesting what you've done. Some of the Mechs looked very interesting... I
found what you did with one of my favorites - the Wolverine very original.
Now first off, I must say that I am a HUGE Japanese Animation fan. I am, in
fact, president and founder of the Japanese animation club at the University of
Richmond. We get to watch movies on a theatre sized screen. Have any of you
ever seen Macross Plus on the big screen? I must tell you... drool was all
over the floor. But anyways, I digress.
My point is that I really don't like japanese artwork combined with
Battletech. It looks cool, but it doesn't fit with the BTech universe, I don't
think. Mechs should be BIG, SQUARE, and CLUNKY, in their ideal. Take a look
at the original Griffin, ShadowHawk, or Atlas. The japanese-inspired Mechs
like the Wraith for example have just way too many curves. The Clans have also
been really good in terms of keeping the "Big and Clunky" look, while they also
look like they can move much more smoothly than their inner-sphere
counterparts. This is just my little rant about Mech artwork.
However, regardless of what I think the Mech's SHOULD look like... outside of
the Btech Universe, you have just made some really kick-ass drawings of some
really cool huge robots. I loved the site a ton, even though I don't think
your designs would fit in with Fasa's world. I will visit it often for
updates. Great job!! It's awesome to see sites like this inspired by the
newsgroup!
Pete
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BRANDON IVIE
: BRANDON IVIE wrote in message <6ub5t7$mek$1-...@coward.cc.utah.edu>...
: > Actually, FASA changed the archer from the macross version. The
: >lasers are now antennae. If you look at the Archer mini, you'll see the
: >lasers are located on the rearlower torsos in a ball-type mount.
: >
: >Brandon
: >
: Sorry, but you're incorrect, Brandon. FASA did not change it.
: For starters, I checked both my ARC miniatures, and neither had the turret
: you mentioned.
They're there, damnit! Look again!
: The four Diverse Optics Type 18 medium lasers are designed
: for medium- to short-ranged combat, with two of them positioned
: in a central turret above the cockpit for rearward fire.
Golly....
: What FASA _did_ change was the position of the cockpit. In the original
: Macross/Robotech anime, the pilot sat directly ahead of that turret, with
: the center torso section being a gun pod equipped with a protective hinged
: section. However, the second paragraph reads:
: The _Archer_ is one of few BattleMechs whose cockpit is located
: beneath the central torso. This obviously gives the pilot a battlefield
: perspective quite different from most normal cockpit positions.
: Armor protection is still about the same as in other heavy 'Mechs,
: however, as the torso armor belt is located above the cockpit area,
: protecting the gyro mechanism and the VOX 280 engine unit
Hmm...interesting. I still paint the cockpit at the top like the
Robotech version. Works for me. Why the hell would they put it in the
torso?!
Brandon
Hawktel
Brandon
> Hmm...interesting. I still paint the cockpit at the top like the
>Robotech version. Works for me. Why the hell would they put it in the
>torso?!
I have mine painted that way. With the cockpit under Glasis slope. Lets play
another game and I'll bring it along and show you.
Give you a chance at some revenge for that head shot Diamyo
Hawktel
Murrdox
Tachyon
I'm typing from home now (instead of the office) and I have a request. Can
anyone help me track down the Japanese Battletech supplements listed below?
>Citytech (based on 1st) ISBN4-8291-7238-X 3,800-en
> Included: Stalker, Hunchback, Spider, Ostscout, Ostsol, Ostroc
>
>Source Book:
>Technical Readout 3025 (perhaps based on old type)
> Scheduled to be sold at November, but it had been put off many
times.
>Gray Death Region ISBN4-8291-7249-5 2,100-en
> No need to say. But scenarios of Aerotech are removed.
>
>Mechwarrior Adventure:
>Tamar (Japan only) ISBN4-8291-7234-7 2,800-en
> This was written by Japanese.
I live in Spokane, Washington and there are no Japanese bookstores anywhere
near here. I sent an Email to Nikaku Animart in San Jose, CA bugging them
to order the books if they can, but I want to cover all the bases. If
anyone can offer any help please let me know. I can be contacted through
the Email address I have listed on the Japanese Battletech Web page.
Dana00000
>I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
>some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
>rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
>take a look when you have a chance.
Very nice. But many of them were used either in the solaris boxed set or
colorized and used for clan mechs in one of the TRs (the locust you posted a
pic of ended up as the locust IIC, IIRC).
What would be really great is if the japanese set had those cardboard counters
for those mechs as well. If they don't have them, I guess I'll just have to
make up a sheet of them myself.
Dana Jorgensen
Bill
Bill
Dana00000 wrote in message
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>
>>I've decided to change that with a little Web project. I scanned in
>>some pictures from my Japanese editions of the Battletech basic
>>rulebook and the Mechwarrior RPG book. Please follow the link and
>>take a look when you have a chance.
>
>Very nice. But many of them were used either in the solaris boxed set or
>colorized and used for clan mechs in one of the TRs (the locust you posted
a
>pic of ended up as the locust IIC, IIRC).
Nope. None of them did. The stuff by Victory Musical, Inc was all custom
done for TR3055. Spot on with the S7 boxed set though.
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that it does in fact post in rec.games.mecha only to troll.
ArtieAnole
hey a fellow spokane battletech player, awesome
Jason Komm