Clarification for Knitted-based hands in CO

[Edwin Phua]

Hi all, I was reading some of the older topics, and I came across
Mihai's posting regarding Knitted Straight, and Knitted Tiles-based
hands (faan?).

Mihai asked:
1. Knitted Straight and Knitted Tiles are possible together?

And the reply by Tom was affirmative.

Hence, is it right to say that Knitted Tiles-based faan can be computed
in only three ways?

Ex1: 147b 258c 369d ESWNR
(Lesser Honors and Knitted Tiles combined with Knitted Straight: 24
points)

Ex2: 147b 258c 36d ESWNRG
(Lesser Honors and Knitted Tiles: 12 points)

Ex3: 147b 258c 3d ESWNRGH
(Greater Honors and Knitted Tiles: 24 points)

Apologies, I am unsure of which symbol to use for the White Honor.

Cheers!
Edwin Phua

[Tom Sloper]

"Edwin Phua" <fantast[at]pacific.net.sg> wrote...

> Hence, is it right to say that Knitted Tiles-based faan can be computed
> in only three ways?
>
> Ex1: 147b 258c 369d ESWNR
> (Lesser Honors and Knitted Tiles combined with Knitted Straight: 24
> points)
>
> Ex2: 147b 258c 36d ESWNRG
> (Lesser Honors and Knitted Tiles: 12 points)
>
> Ex3: 147b 258c 3d ESWNRGH
> (Greater Honors and Knitted Tiles: 24 points)

Hi Edwin,
You presumably don't care about the various possible ways of going out
(winning by self-pick or discard, or by robbing a kong or using last tile).

But yes, one can have either all or only some of the single honors, and one
can have either all or only some of the tiles making up the knitted
straight, but not all of both.

1. All the knitted straight but just some of the single honors.
2. Just some of the knitted tiles and just some of the single honors.
3. Just some of the knitted tiles but all of the single honors.

It's not possible to have all the knitted tiles and all of the single
honors. If that's what you're asking.

> Apologies, I am unsure of which symbol to use for the White Honor.

For white dragon, the usual abbreviation is Wh - some Americans might use 0.
It's unfortunate that there isn't a standard one-letter abbreviation. Maybe
one could use B or P (bai/po), but then B could be confused with the b for
bamboo - and maybe then one would think it necessary to use C and F instead
of R and G - but then C could be confused with the c for characters/craks.

Cheers,
Tom

[Edwin Phua]

Many thanks, Tom, for the answers.

Tom Sloper wrote:
> You presumably don't care about the various possible ways of going out
> (winning by self-pick or discard, or by robbing a kong or using last tile).
>
> But yes, one can have either all or only some of the single honors, and one
> can have either all or only some of the tiles making up the knitted
> straight, but not all of both.

Upon a more thorough search of the archived topics, I found the
combinatorial chances (topic: Hand Combinations, dated Aug 15th 2005).
I asked because I wanted to be sure that Knitted Straight can be
combined with Lesser Honors and Knitted Tiles if all nine tiles for the
suits are included. It makes computation and strategy easier too, if
one knows the possible points.

> > Apologies, I am unsure of which symbol to use for the White Honor.
>
> For white dragon, the usual abbreviation is Wh - some Americans might use 0.
> It's unfortunate that there isn't a standard one-letter abbreviation. Maybe
> one could use B or P (bai/po), but then B could be confused with the b for
> bamboo - and maybe then one would think it necessary to use C and F instead
> of R and G - but then C could be confused with the c for characters/craks.

How about Z instead of C (from hanyu pinyin "zhong")? But of course
there would still be confusion for B (bamboos and bai).

Cheers!
Edwin

[Cofa Tsui]

"Edwin Phua" <fan...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
news:1153723053.3...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

There isn't a standard but the standard can be made...

Try the "convention of expression of mahjong terms and phrases" in the World
Unified Mahjong Terminology document
(http://www.imahjong.com/maiarchives209.html).

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