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F D

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Aug 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/29/00
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I have recently come into possession of an old mah jong game that was
accompanied by a slim paper back book of directions from the store where
it was purchased. I am trying to date the game but the pamphlet has no
year of publication on it.

The cover says

Ying Fat Cheung Mah Juck Store
Eagle Mark Directions of Playing Chinese Game of Mah Juck
Trademark No 167 Tai Sun Street East
Canton, China

Can anyone gives me any clues how to go about dating the age of the set.
I think the tiles her bone backed on some kind of wood.

Thanks,
Florrie


Tom Sloper

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Aug 30, 2000, 1:53:59 AM8/30/00
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Hello Florrie [F D <siames...@webtv.net>],

I recognize that email address. You've posted here before! Welcome
back. And it's nice to have a name to go with the email address.

You wrote:

>I have recently come into possession of an old mah jong game that was
accompanied by a slim paper back book of directions from the store
where it was purchased. I am trying to date the game but the pamphlet
has no year of publication on it.
>
>The cover says
>
>Ying Fat Cheung Mah Juck Store
>Eagle Mark Directions of Playing Chinese Game of Mah Juck
>Trademark No 167 Tai Sun Street East
> Canton, China
>
>Can anyone gives me any clues how to go about dating the age of the

set. I think the tiles [are] bone backed on some kind of wood.

Florrie, there is no way to know for sure that the booklet is original
to the mah-jongg set. But in my opinion, the booklet probably dates to
the 1920s. During the 1920s there were many names that mah-jongg was
called by. But after that, everybody called it "mah-jongg."

Email me pictures of the set and I might be able to help. Without
pictures, I don't see how anybody can help.

Tom
mahj...@cyberspace.co.jp


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Alan Kwan

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Aug 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/30/00
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>>The cover says
>>
>>Ying Fat Cheung Mah Juck Store
>>Eagle Mark Directions of Playing Chinese Game of Mah Juck
>>Trademark No 167 Tai Sun Street East
>> Canton, China

This is a strange address. Canton is a /province/ in China. It's
very difficult to locate a street given only the province and no city
name.


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Nick Wedd

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Aug 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/30/00
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In article <39ad0f99...@news.netvigator.com>, Alan Kwan
<ta...@notmenetvigator.com> writes

>>>The cover says
>>>
>>>Ying Fat Cheung Mah Juck Store
>>>Eagle Mark Directions of Playing Chinese Game of Mah Juck
>>>Trademark No 167 Tai Sun Street East
>>> Canton, China

>This is a strange address. Canton is a /province/ in China. It's


>very difficult to locate a street given only the province and no city
>name.

In the 1920s, the city of Guangzhou was known to the English-speaking
world as Canton.

Nick
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Nick Wedd ni...@maproom.co.uk

Tom Sloper

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Aug 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/30/00
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Alan Kwan <ta...@notmenetvigator.com> writes

>>This is a strange address. Canton is a /province/ in China. It's
>>very difficult to locate a street given only the province and no city
>>name.

From: Nick Wedd <Ni...@maproom.co.uk>

>In the 1920s, the city of Guangzhou was known to the English-speaking
>world as Canton.

Yes. The city of Guangzhou (Canton) is in the province of Guangdong
(Canton). I've been there.

When I tell non-Chinese people I've been there, I say "I went to
Canton." Otherwise, they probably won't know what I'm talking about.

When I tell Chinese people I went there, I say "I went to Guangzhou."
Otherwise, they probably won't know what I'm talking about.

Tom

Cofa Tsui

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Aug 31, 2000, 1:35:19 AM8/31/00
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In article <8oju5m$d8g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

mahj...@cyberspace.co.jp wrote:
> Alan Kwan <ta...@notmenetvigator.com> writes
>
> >>This is a strange address. Canton is a /province/ in China. It's
> >>very difficult to locate a street given only the province and no

city
> >>name.

(From this reply I surprisingly realize (or guess) that Alan should be a
young fellow, although he seems to have had learned a lot about mahjong.
^_^ )


>
> From: Nick Wedd <Ni...@maproom.co.uk>
>
> >In the 1920s, the city of Guangzhou was known to the English-speaking
> >world as Canton.
>
> Yes. The city of Guangzhou (Canton) is in the province of Guangdong
> (Canton). I've been there.
>
> When I tell non-Chinese people I've been there, I say "I went to
> Canton." Otherwise, they probably won't know what I'm talking about.
>
> When I tell Chinese people I went there, I say "I went to Guangzhou."
> Otherwise, they probably won't know what I'm talking about.

Guangzhou is a word under the "Hanyu Pinyin" system. That system was
gradually used to officially name places of China starting from the
1960's or earlier. (Of course I am not sure if the time is correct and I
could not give the exact time as I do not have any reference readily
available.) This "official system" applies to *street names* as well.
(The term "Guangzhou" has been widely used by foreigners since China was
admitted into the UN and later on the official "Hanyu Pinyin" system was
introduced to UN organizations by the Chinese government.)

We may also recall that, shortly after China was "revolutionized" in
1949, "mahjong" (or "Mah Juck") became rarely available in mainland
China and "export" of goods targeting foreign market (note the printed
booklet and address in English) was almost impossible.

Based on the above two reasons, Florrie's mahjong set could be a product
at least before 1949, or perhaps among the years 1920's and 1930's while
"Mah Juck" was HOT in foreign countries.


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Alan Kwan

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Aug 31, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/31/00
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:26:38 GMT, Tom Sloper <tsl...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>Alan Kwan <ta...@notmenetvigator.com> writes
>
>>>This is a strange address. Canton is a /province/ in China. It's
>>>very difficult to locate a street given only the province and no city
>>>name.
>

>From: Nick Wedd <Ni...@maproom.co.uk>
>
>>In the 1920s, the city of Guangzhou was known to the English-speaking
>>world as Canton.
>
>Yes. The city of Guangzhou (Canton) is in the province of Guangdong
>(Canton). I've been there.
>
>When I tell non-Chinese people I've been there, I say "I went to
>Canton." Otherwise, they probably won't know what I'm talking about.
>
>When I tell Chinese people I went there, I say "I went to Guangzhou."
>Otherwise, they probably won't know what I'm talking about.

I see.

As a (young? :-P ) Chinese person, I'd automatically translate the
"ton" in "Canton" to the "dong" word (which means "east"; there is a
"Guangsai" province to its west). So you're right in that if you say
"I went to Canton", I won't get it and would ask, "Which city?".

Alan Kwan

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Aug 31, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/31/00
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:35:19 GMT, Cofa Tsui <cofa...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>(From this reply I surprisingly realize (or guess) that Alan should be a
>young fellow, although he seems to have had learned a lot about mahjong.
>^_^ )

I haven't learn a lot. I'm just bold in making conjectures. Though I
do admit that I'm better versed in Maths than the average mahjong
player.

Leigh

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Sep 7, 2000, 1:01:18 PM9/7/00
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:54:33 -0400 (EDT), siames...@webtv.net (F D)
wrote:


>Ying Fat Cheung Mah Juck Store
>Eagle Mark Directions of Playing Chinese Game of Mah Juck
> Trademark No 167 Tai Sun Street East
> Canton, China
>

>Can anyone gives me any clues how to go about dating the age of the set.

>I think the tiles her bone backed on some kind of wood.
>

I just got a Pai Gow set which seems to be made by the same company.
Perhaps you could call or write them and ask. The label reads:

Ying Fat Cheung
Ivory & Ma-Jong
No. 103, Wellington St., H.K.
TEL: 2544-3785, 2545-5554 FAX; 2542-0045

I hope this helps

Leigh

Martin Rep

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Sep 7, 2000, 3:55:43 PM9/7/00
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:19:21 -0400 (EDT), siames...@webtv.net (F D)
wrote:

>
Please - no pictures in this newsgroup!

Greetings


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Tom Sloper

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Sep 8, 2000, 11:21:56 AM9/8/00
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siames...@webtv.net (F D) wrote:

>> Many thanks to Tom, Alan, Nick and Cofa in reply to my request for any
information about dating a maj jong set.
>> I am currently trying to get a picture to send but must wait till my
nephew returns from vacation to send it. He has the video camera.
>> Thanks-Florrie

From: Martin Rep <mr...@mahjong-nl.com>

> Please - no pictures in this newsgroup!

Quite right (like it says in the FAQ). Florrie, when you have a picture,
just email it (don't post it on the newsgroup). I'd be happy to have a
look. Email to mahj...@cyberspace.co.jp

Tom


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