Call for new artifacts.
Stephen White
Hey there!
Do you have an idea for an artifact? Is it good?
Well then! Send 'em to me!
I'm looking for a LOT of new artifacts, in particular, NON-WEAPON artifacts.
Especially armor. Trouble is, I can't think of any!
So, if you have something you think would go over nice in NH, E-Mail it
to me .... please?
Stephen White
S.F. Eley
In article <1994Jun1.1...@cs.mun.ca> Stephen White writes:
>
>I'm looking for a LOT of new artifacts, in particular, NON-WEAPON artifacts.
>Especially armor. Trouble is, I can't think of any!
>
Here's an idea... Nethack sometimes borrows pretty extensively from
Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings." Well, why not the rings themselves? >8->
You could make an artifact One Ring that starts out as a simple ring of
invisibility. Maybe add a hefty Luck bonus or something. However, it has
a nasty tendency of becoming cursed every time your luck drops, and if worn
long enough (or perhaps by luck) it changes your alignment to Chaotic.
Sound interesting? I'm sure there's more that could be added to it, but
it's been a long time since I read the books.
Blessings....
_TNX._
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Riku Saikkonen
>Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings." Well, why not the rings themselves? >8->
Great! :)
>You could make an artifact One Ring that starts out as a simple ring of
>invisibility. Maybe add a hefty Luck bonus or something. However, it has
>a nasty tendency of becoming cursed every time your luck drops, and if worn
>long enough (or perhaps by luck) it changes your alignment to Chaotic.
Pretty good, I think. And make hobbits try to steal the Ring. ;)
(or, as an alternative, make a hobbit class with the Ring as the quest
artifact?)
>Sound interesting? I'm sure there's more that could be added to it, but
>it's been a long time since I read the books.
Hey, the other Rings of Power! (Or is that too many artifacts? Altough
they could be made pretty weak...)
"
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark thorne
in the Land
ing to rule them all, One Ring to find them
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
in the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
"
Hmm... I suggest the following powers:
One Ring: carried: nothing?; worn: invisibility, clairaudience;
#invoked: charm monster (?)
The Three:
Narya, the Ring of Fire: worn: fire resistance, obviously;
#invoked: fireball?
Nenya, the Ring of Adamant: worn: speed (the time was different in
Lorien...), adornment (?); #invoked: some beautifying power?, slow
monster?
Vilya, the Ring of Water (? - it was blue and Elrond could control the
waters around Rivendell), Mightiest of the Three: worn: magical
breathing, #invoked: create a tame water elemental?, a cold-like
effect (transform water to ice or vice versa)?
The Nine: (should they be included?)
Chaotics only!; worn: scare monster; #invoked: death ray (too powerful,
I think; magic missile?)
The Seven: (do we need them?)
worn: phase shift (Xorn-like; too powerful?); #invoked: digging, gem
appraisal?
Well, I'm not sure if we need the Nine or the Seven, but the One
and the Three would be a great addition!
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Michael Meissner
Saikkonen) writes:
| Hmm... I suggest the following powers:
|
| One Ring: carried: nothing?; worn: invisibility, clairaudience;
| #invoked: charm monster (?)
It should also attract Nazgul and Barrow Wrights.
| The Three:
| Narya, the Ring of Fire: worn: fire resistance, obviously;
| #invoked: fireball?
|
| Nenya, the Ring of Adamant: worn: speed (the time was different in
| Lorien...), adornment (?); #invoked: some beautifying power?, slow
| monster?
|
| Vilya, the Ring of Water (? - it was blue and Elrond could control the
| waters around Rivendell), Mightiest of the Three: worn: magical
| breathing, #invoked: create a tame water elemental?, a cold-like
| effect (transform water to ice or vice versa)?
|
| The Nine: (should they be included?)
| Chaotics only!; worn: scare monster; #invoked: death ray (too powerful,
| I think; magic missile?)
Invisiblity, and should replace the normal ring of invisibilty you get from the
Nazgul.
| The Seven: (do we need them?)
| worn: phase shift (Xorn-like; too powerful?); #invoked: digging, gem
| appraisal?
Should be worn by dwarves (or make them made if you wear one -- though dwarves
are kind of wimpy).
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>
> Here's an idea... Nethack sometimes borrows pretty extensively from
> Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings." Well, why not the rings themselves? >8->
it right, i.e. make it something *very* special, not "just another
artifact."
On the other hand one of the things I am most afraid of with NetHack
is that it might get too Tolkien-like. I believe that Tolkien is only
one influence and we should take care that he doesn't become dominant.
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Boudewijn Wayers
>On the other hand one of the things I am most afraid of with NetHack
>is that it might get too Tolkien-like. I believe that Tolkien is only
>one influence and we should take care that he doesn't become dominant.
I would second this. Also, I guess the names Varya, Nenya, etc would be
copyrighted, just like the word "hobbit". I have wondered sometimes why
Nethack hadn't been sues for using it yet... I know that AD&D has named
them "halflings" just because of the Tolkienish copyrights, that were
owned by Iron Crown, the publishers of MERP (Middle Earth Role Playing)
and Rolemaster...
Taking too much out of Tolien's books would be funny, but, imo, a bit
overdone...
Boudewijn.
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Mills / Allan William (ISE)
>
>In article <1994Jun1.1...@cs.mun.ca> Stephen White writes:
>>
>>I'm looking for a LOT of new artifacts, in particular, NON-WEAPON artifacts.
>>Especially armor. Trouble is, I can't think of any!
>>
>
>
>Here's an idea... Nethack sometimes borrows pretty extensively from
>Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings." Well, why not the rings themselves? >8->
>
>You could make an artifact One Ring that starts out as a simple ring of
>invisibility. Maybe add a hefty Luck bonus or something. However, it has
>a nasty tendency of becoming cursed every time your luck drops, and if worn
>long enough (or perhaps by luck) it changes your alignment to Chaotic.
>
>Sound interesting? I'm sure there's more that could be added to it, but
>it's been a long time since I read the books.
>
the odd group of 9 Nazgul drop in to say hello.
BTW Nazgul are a type of wraith so why don't they leave corpses ?
Allan
Eric McWhorter
Michael Meissner <meis...@osf.org> wrote:
>In article <1f.13170.16...@compart.fi> riku.sa...@compart.fi (Riku
>Saikkonen) writes:
>
>| Hmm... I suggest the following powers:
>|
>| One Ring: carried: nothing?; worn: invisibility, clairaudience;
>| #invoked: charm monster (?)
>
>It should also attract Nazgul and Barrow Wrights.
Putting aside the idea of including the 'One Ring' (a cool idea, IMHO),
I'd like for there to be some way to get clarivoyance besides the spell
and having a blessing bestowed on you. Anything to make those pesky
maze levels go faster... A ring of clarivoyance would be a great
addition to the game, IMHO. Just have it eat up nutrition like a RoC.
As things stand, I always use up the WoW in the castle (on those rare
occasions when I get that far) for blessed spellbooks of magic mapping.
If you must have an invocation for 'The Ring,' then how about temporary
(1-300 turns) phase shifting? Kinda sorta like what happened to Frodo
(didn't he exist on a different parrallel plane while wearing it?
Can't remember). Materialize in rock and your dead. Or perhaps
something like 'you attempt a polymorph spell,' which:
Success with polymorph control:
'become what monster [type the name]'
1) 'You turn into a [...]' when you become a phasing monster.
2) 'Unfortunately, [...]s can't live in solid stone' when you become a
non-phasing monster.
Success without polymorph control:
1) 'Unfortunately, [...]s can't live in solid stone' when a non-phasing
monster.
2) 'You turn into a [...]' when you become a phasing monster.
Unsuccessful:
1) 'Unfortunately, you don't know that spell'
2) 'The rock around you shudders as you goof up'
3) 'The rock around you tickles as you good up' (hallucinating)
Temporary phase shifting wouldn't be too unbalancing (IMO) 'cause it's
soooo risky for those totally decked out characters.
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: I would second this. Also, I guess the names Varya, Nenya, etc would be
: copyrighted, just like the word "hobbit". I have wondered sometimes why
: Nethack hadn't been sues for using it yet... I know that AD&D has named
: them "halflings" just because of the Tolkienish copyrights, that were
: owned by Iron Crown, the publishers of MERP (Middle Earth Role Playing)
: and Rolemaster...
Copyright laws only affects you if you try to make money with the copyrighted
whatever. Because NH is freeware there is no problem.
Boudewijn Wayers
Oh no! This is definately not true. Copyright laws ALWAYS apply, not
only when you are making money with it.
Suppose you had written a book, and are selling it. Now *I* make copies
of this book and start giving them away for free. How would you feel
about that? I'm not making money with the copyrighted stuff, so, in
your opinion, I can give away as much as I'd want. The consequence of
course being that *you* wouldn't sell a single copy any more.
Morale: copyright is just what it says: the right to copy. You may not
make copies of copyrighted stuff, even if it does not eran you any
money.
Boudewijn.
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Riku Saikkonen
>copyrighted, just like the word "hobbit". I have wondered sometimes why
I do not think they can be copyrighted as such. They certainly do not
have trademarks on them (at least I haven't seen any mark of one in any
Tolkien book I've read)...
Anyway, the plural form 'dwarves' was invented by Tolkien (see _Lord of
the Rings_, Appendix F) and no one has sued anyone for using it...
And Varya, Nenya, Vilya, etc. are names in Sindarin. (e.g. Nenya = Ring
of Fire, nen=fire, ya=ring)
One thing that I'd love to see in Nethack would be some fortune cookie
messages/Elves' speech/engravings/etc. in Sindarin. Surely they would
drive the novice crazy! ;)
>Nethack hadn't been sues for using it yet... I know that AD&D has named
I do not think the issuers of the Tolkien estate are that malignant -
Nethack is _free_ and I think it much more promotes the works of Tolkien
than lessens their value (whose prevention is the whole point of
copyright law).
'Elbereth' is another instance of a Tolkien name - again in Sindarin,
'Star-Queen' (el=star, bereth=queen). And I think that there are some
direct quotes in the monster datas, too.
As for the quotes, by all means keep them! Much, if not most, of the
monster information includes a quote from a copyrighted work - this kind
of quote inspires the reader to buy the book, not to think 'this quote
is here so what do I need the book for?'. As an example, I would be very
interested in seeing a copy of 'The Leprechaun Library' from which many
of the quotes are.
>them "halflings" just because of the Tolkienish copyrights, that were
>owned by Iron Crown, the publishers of MERP (Middle Earth Role Playing)
>and Rolemaster...
Hmm... Iron Crown != the Tolkien estate. I would think the Estate rather
has the copyrights. The only trademark that I know of is the one on the
Tolkien 'rune' (basically, the letters JRRT embedded on top of each
other), and that is of the Tolkien estate.
>Taking too much out of Tolien's books would be funny, but, imo, a bit
>overdone...
Yes, not too much, but since Tolkien is the prime source of modern
fantasy, it should have a, shall we say, dominant position. Perhaps more
so if the player happens to play an Elf (or Hobbit, if that class is
later included - I'd like Dwarves and Hobbits very much).
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