RFD: rec.games.roguelike.{moria,nethack,rogue}
David Grabiner
hierarchy to dicuss Rogue and related games. The hierarchy is
inconsistent as it now stands. Since the consensus was to put the
Angband group in this new hierarchy, while the votes to move the
existing groups for Moria, Hack, and Rogue failed, we now have
rec.games.moria but rec.games.roguelike.angband.
Therefore, I propose that we clean up this hierarchy by putting
everything under rec.games.roguelike; this will make it easier for
readers of one group to find the others.
Proposal 1: Move rec.games.hack to rec.games.roguelike.nethack.
Proposal 2: Move rec.games.moria to rec.games.roguelike.moria.
Proposal 3: Move rec.games.rogue to rec.games.roguelike.rogue.
There will be no changes in the charters of these groups, except for a
minor revision to indicate that rec.games.roguelike.nethack is concerned
with Nethack and related games, rather than with Hack, a very old
version of the same game. The one-line description will read, "The
computer game Nethack."
Discussion of this reorganization will take place in news.groups only.
If a vote is held, I will ask the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers to select
a neutral vote-taker.
--
David Grabiner, grab...@zariski.harvard.edu
"We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary."
"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
David Grabiner
rec.games.rogue to the existing rec.games.roguelike.misc, rather than to
a new group.)
It has been six months since the creation of the rec.games.roguelike.*
hierarchy to dicuss Rogue and related games. The hierarchy is
inconsistent as it now stands. Since the consensus was to put the
Angband group in this new hierarchy, while the votes to move the
existing groups for Moria, Hack, and Rogue failed, we now have
rec.games.moria but rec.games.roguelike.angband.
Therefore, I propose that we clean up this hierarchy by putting
everything under rec.games.roguelike; this will make it easier for
readers of one group to find the others.
Proposal 1: Move rec.games.hack to rec.games.roguelike.nethack.
Proposal 2: Move rec.games.moria to rec.games.roguelike.moria.
Proposal 3: Move rec.games.rogue to rec.games.roguelike.rogue.
Alternate to proposal 3: Move rec.games.rogue to the existing group
rec.games.roguelike.misc.
The alternate version of proposal 3 has been discussed, but it seems
that at least some readers of rec.games.rogue do not like it. I will
not use the alternate proposal unless it gets strong support in the
following discussion.
Balaji
to moved to a different hierarchy. Why is this being done? Whose idea is
this? How do such proposals get floated when there is no apparent
discontent on the newsgroup itself?
I'm fairly sure a majority of rgh readers enjoy the occasional clueless
idiot who posts something here about how to hack Pacman or Centipede. I
sure enjoy all the posts explaining clearly that centipedes only happen
if you're hallucinating, and a PoEH should fix that. Or some such.
This reorganization sounds like a bad idea. IMO, in case you were
wondering.
--
Balaji
ObYAFM: Run away! Run away! (Clue: I think only one class gets this.)
Balaji
> I often read rec.games.hack, and I haven't heard people here clamouring
> to moved to a different hierarchy. Why is this being done? Whose idea is
> this? How do such proposals get floated when there is no apparent
> discontent on the newsgroup itself?
These are serious questions, BTW, I wasn't trying to be nasty. I'd
really like to know why David Grabiner (who posted the RFD) thinks
rgh ought to be moved. Or rather, why DG thinks rgh readers think
it ought to be moved. No offence intended.
--
Balaji
Love, and do what you will.
RICHARD KENAN
Well, I personally dislike the clueless folx who post asking how to
hack commercial games, but that's hardly indicative of a general
sentiment or the personal sentiment of David Grabiner. The main
reason I think he wants to move it is to acheive a consistent
heirarchy for rogue descended games like (Net)Hack and Moria. This
is a worthy goal, IMHO, but if RGH readers are opposed to it, I'm
hardly going to be crushed. But what's the point of having a
heirarchy if nobody follows it?
--
Richard Kenan
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!eefacdk
Internet: eef...@prism.gatech.edu
Avrom Faderman
X" traffic is down to a level that is manageable--some might even say
entertaining-- I remember that several months ago (October or November
perhaps?) it was simply dreadful. In addition, the title of the group
is simply misleading--virtually nobody playes "Hack" any more; this
group is almost exclusively devoted to the discussion of NetHack (the
perhaps 5 posts that I've seen about Hack in the last few months could
easily be covered on rec.games.roguelike.misc).
Finally, as it currently stands, the organization of the rogue-related
groups is illogical. We have a rec.games.roguelike.* hierarchy, but
only a few of the roguelike games use it. Perhaps I'm being
constipated about this, but logical orgainzation of newsgroups strikes
me as a Good Thing.
--
Avrom I. Faderman | "...a sufferer is not one who hands
av...@csli.stanford.edu | you his suffering, that you may
Stanford University | touch it, weigh it, bite it like a
CSLI and Dept. of Philosophy | coin..." -Stanislaw Lem
Avrom Faderman
>I'm in favor of the change. While the extraneous "How do I hack game
>X" traffic is down to a level that is manageable--some might even say
>entertaining-- I remember that several months ago (October or November
>perhaps?) it was simply dreadful.
I should clarify this. I think the reason it was so bad in October
and November probably had something to do with new University students
discovering the Net, but not yet understanding simple matters of
Netiquette (like reading the group, or at least the charter of the
group, that you're going to post to). Therefore, I don't think this
was a one-time only problem--it will probably be repeated next year
and every year, unless the newsgroup is moved.
Mark Jefferys
Balaji <bal...@nimbus.yorku.ca> wrote:
% I often read rec.games.hack, and I haven't heard people here clamouring
% to moved to a different hierarchy. Why is this being done? Whose idea is
% this? How do such proposals get floated when there is no apparent
% discontent on the newsgroup itself?
This isn't proposed just for the current readers. A better name would
give more information about this group to new people (fewer "How do I
break root, doodz?" posts).
Even better, if someone playing nethack wants to find related
newsgroups (this one). All they have to do is type "l nethack" (in
[t]rn, anyway) -- and find it. Except that this fails now, 'cuz
"rec.games.hack" doesn't contain "nethack".
Keeping the newsgroups organized is a good thing anyway. Take a glance
at the alt hierarchy sometime if you don't believe me.
% I'm fairly sure a majority of rgh readers enjoy the occasional clueless
% idiot who posts something here about how to hack Pacman or
% Centipede.
I'm not so sure about that. *I* certainly don't enjoy them.
Mark
--
Mark Jefferys Internet: mjef...@reed.edu
Martin Gregory
: I often read rec.games.hack, and I haven't heard people here clamouring
: to moved to a different hierarchy. Why is this being done? Whose idea is
: this? How do such proposals get floated when there is no apparent
: discontent on the newsgroup itself?
I too have not observed any discontent.
Also, I hate newsgroups with ridiculously long names. If a change is
to be made, what is wrong with rec.games.{moria,nethack,rogue}?
The only thing justifying the extra qualifier (roguelike) would be if
ther were going to be lots of them and the qualifier meant something
(like `frp` for example).
: This reorganization sounds like a bad idea. IMO, in case you were
: wondering.
If its a vote, I vote against the silly long name.
: ObYAFM: Run away! Run away! (Clue: I think only one class gets this.)
Coming to the real reason for responding to Balaji's post (:-)), I've
never seen this message, but it would have to be a Knight meeting a
three headed giant wouldn't it? ...but I've never seen a three headed giant!
Cheers,
Martin.
Riku Saikkonen
>to moved to a different hierarchy. Why is this being done? Whose idea is
I think it's a good idea. It achieves consistency. As said in the RFD,
there are groups like rec.games.roguelike.misc but rec.games.hack, even
though Nethack is roguelike.
>I'm fairly sure a majority of rgh readers enjoy the occasional clueless
>idiot who posts something here about how to hack Pacman or Centipede. I
I'd rather not see them... But that's not why I think the group should
be moved.
-=- Rjs -=- riku.sa...@compart.fi
* OLX 2.1 TD * Sindarin+Quenya brief: el, elen = star
Chaos Manager
: In article <1994Apr19.0...@csli.stanford.edu>, I wrote:
: ... ( ... or at least the charter of the group that you're going to
: post to).
One question with respect to the charter. Where can one find a copy of
said charter? That may be part of the problem, not being able to locate
the charter.
Oh, well. Just my $.02...
-->------- John -------<--
Chris Herborth
There are several very good (IMHO) reasons for moving rec.games.hack to
rec.games.roguelike.hack:
1) consistancy with rec.games.roguelike.angband,
rec.games.roguelike.misc, rec.games.roguelike.announce
2) to cut down on the number of "how do I crack <popular PC game>?" and
"do you have any good cheats for <popular PC game> on this BBoard?"
posts
#2 is going to be more and more of a problem as time goes by. People
continue to waste their hard-earned cash on overpowered Intel-based DOS
machines, mostly to play games (or so it seems). The more clueless
people that have computers (and you can bet most people using DOS today
have no clue), the more clueless posts you'll see.
It also seems that only DOS users assume that *all* newsgroups are about
their PCs and their software; other users seem to know that the
comp.sys.{atari,amiga,acorn,whatever}.* groups are for this sort of
question... the PC users seem more apt to ignore comp.sys.ibmpc.games or
whatever the group is.
--
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cher...@semprini.waterloo-rdp.on.ca
Chris Herborth
Aliza R. Panitz
>Balaji (bal...@nimbus.yorku.ca) wrote:
>: I often read rec.games.hack, and I haven't heard people here clamouring
>: to moved to a different hierarchy. Why is this being done? Whose idea is
>: this? How do such proposals get floated when there is no apparent
>: discontent on the newsgroup itself?
Most of the people promoting the reorganization read and post to
rec.games.moria and/or rec.games.roguelike.angband. The idea of the
hierarchy was started when people wanted to start a new newsgroup for
the game Angband, which was being discussed in rec.games.moria last
year. A lot of people felt that just having two newsgroups
rec.games.moria and rec.games.angband would not be sufficient to direct
people playing one game to the other newsgroup where a similar game was
being discusses. There were also frequent misplaced posts asking about
one roguelike game in the group for another game. Collecting all of the
roguelike games into a single hierarchy was felt to be a natural
solution to both of these problems.
>Also, I hate newsgroups with ridiculously long names. If a change is
>to be made, what is wrong with rec.games.{moria,nethack,rogue}?
The point of an organized hierarchy is to show that various groups
are somewhat related to each other. There are obvious similarities
among rogue, hack, nethack, moria, Angband, Omega, etc, that are not
found in games like bridge, chess, Muds, pinball, etc.
>The only thing justifying the extra qualifier (roguelike) would be if
>ther were going to be lots of them and the qualifier meant something
>(like `frp` for example).
There already *are* lots of roguelike games groups... rogue, moria,
hack, angband, misc, announce. The name 'roguelike' means something -
it means the game is a dungeon adventure game like rogue. How many
D&D players know what 'frp' stands for before they are told?
>If its a vote, I vote against the silly long name.
Wait until you see a formal CFV (Call-For-Votes), and then submit your
formal vote via e-mail, not by posting to news.groups.
(Of course, if you're just expressing a preference, news.groups is the
right place to be.)
- Aliza
Peter Snelling
>In article <55...@rhino.qpsx.oz.au> mar...@rhino.qpsx.oz.au (Martin Gregory) writes:
>>Balaji (bal...@nimbus.yorku.ca) wrote:
>>Also, I hate newsgroups with ridiculously long names. If a change is
>>to be made, what is wrong with rec.games.{moria,nethack,rogue}?
>
>The point of an organized hierarchy is to show that various groups
>are somewhat related to each other. There are obvious similarities
>among rogue, hack, nethack, moria, Angband, Omega, etc, that are not
>found in games like bridge, chess, Muds, pinball, etc.
>
>>The only thing justifying the extra qualifier (roguelike) would be if
>>ther were going to be lots of them and the qualifier meant something
>>(like `frp` for example).
>
>There already *are* lots of roguelike games groups... rogue, moria,
>hack, angband, misc, announce. The name 'roguelike' means something -
>it means the game is a dungeon adventure game like rogue. How many
>D&D players know what 'frp' stands for before they are told?
I'd be in favour of the renaming if I didn't think "roguelike" was
such a dumb name. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to think of
a clear/concise/meaningful alternative. Something like
single_user_visually_oriented_fantasy_role_playing, but it's
too long, and suvofrp is a tad cryptic.
Changing rec.games.hack to rec.games.nethack might be a good idea,
but I'm sure some people would still think it was about hacking on
the net.
--
Peter Snelling, P.Eng. Bell-Northern Research Ottawa, Canada
(snel...@bnr.ca) My views only, not my employer's.
Aliza R. Panitz
> [I wrote:]
>>There already *are* lots of roguelike games groups... rogue, moria,
>>hack, angband, misc, announce. The name 'roguelike' means something -
>>it means the game is a dungeon adventure game like rogue. How many
>>D&D players know what 'frp' stands for before they are told?
>
>I'd be in favour of the renaming if I didn't think "roguelike" was
>such a dumb name. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to think of
>a clear/concise/meaningful alternative. Something like
>single_user_visually_oriented_fantasy_role_playing, but it's
>too long, and suvofrp is a tad cryptic.
We went through this six months ago, and 'roguelike' was the consensus
name picked. (Don't blame me - I voted against it. I originally
suggested the hierarchy as rec.games.dungeon.*, but Dungeon is the
name of a totally unrelated game...)
Currently, we *have* a rec.games.roguelike hierarchy:
rec.games.roguelike.announce (moderated by yours truly :-)
rec.games.roguelike.angband (Discussion of Angband, Fangband, etc.)
rec.games.roguelike.misc (Discussion of Omega, Larn, XFire, etc.)
We also have three newsgroups that we want to link in with these:
rec.games.hack (Discussion of NetHack)
rec.games.moria (Discussion of Moria, BOSS, etc.)
rec.games.rogue (Discussion of Rogue, URogue, etc.)
In my mind, the most important thing is that all six groups (or five,
if we kill .rogue) be in ONE place, together.
If anyone can think of a better name for the hierarchy, they're more
than welcome to float a competing proposal that renames ALL SIX
groups... but for the time being, we have to accept the name
'roguelike' as the hierarchy name.
By the way, a few days ago I let a friend of mine play Angband on my
computer... I just showed him the directory, and went off to take a
shower. After my shower, I asked him if he had any questions about
the game... he said it was pretty obvious, because it was 'a lot
like Rogue'. So I guess there *is* something to the name 'roguelike'...
- Aliza
... I guess I'm part of the 'Roguelike Games Cabal'...
Jay Maynard
Proposal 1: Move rec.games.hack to rec.games.roguelike.nethack.
Proposal 2: Move rec.games.moria to rec.games.roguelike.moria.
Proposal 3: Move rec.games.rogue to rec.games.roguelike.rogue.
Newsgroups lines:
rec.games.roguelike.moria The computer game Moria.
rec.games.roguelike.nethack The computer game Nethack.
rec.games.roguelike.rogue The computer game Rogue.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 May 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the
proposed group, contact the proponent, David Grabiner, at
grab...@math.harvard.edu.
CHARTER
All three groups will remain unmoderated.
There will be no changes in the charters of these groups, except for a
minor revision to indicate that rec.games.roguelike.nethack is concerned
with Nethack and related games, rather than with Hack, a very old
version of the same game.
RATIONALE
It has been seven months since the creation of the rec.games.roguelike.*
hierarchy to dicuss Rogue and related games. The hierarchy is
inconsistent as it now stands. Since the consensus was to put the
Angband group in this new hierarchy, while the votes to move the
existing groups for Moria, Hack, and Rogue failed, we now have
rec.games.moria but rec.games.roguelike.angband.
Therefore, it has been proposed that we clean up this hierarchy by
putting everything under rec.games.roguelike; this will make it easier
for readers of one group to find the others.
HOW TO VOTE
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below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these
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Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or
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[ ] rec.games.roguelike.nethack
[ ] rec.games.roguelike.rogue
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--
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jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"The government which fears arms in the hands of its people...should."
-- Karl Kleinpaste
Jay Maynard
CHARTER
RATIONALE
HOW TO VOTE
rec.games.roguelike.* Ballot <RGRL-0002> (Don't remove this marker)
Give your real name here:
[Your Vote] Group
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[ ] rec.games.roguelike.moria
[ ] rec.games.roguelike.nethack
[ ] rec.games.roguelike.rogue
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
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It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
rec.games.roguelike.* Bounce List - No need to revote
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andrew@gargoyle Andrew Ruthven
s.sc...@lha.zer.sub.org Stefan Schwoon
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
To Sarah Brady, Howard Metzenbaum, Dianne Feinstein, and Charles Schumer:
Thanks. Without you, I would be neither a gun owner nor an NRA life member.
Jay Maynard
Proposal 1: Move rec.games.hack to rec.games.roguelike.nethack.
Proposal 2: Move rec.games.moria to rec.games.roguelike.moria.
Proposal 3: Move rec.games.rogue to rec.games.roguelike.rogue.
rec.games.roguelike.* results - 295 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
229 45 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.games.roguelike.moria
230 60 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.games.roguelike.nethack
219 59 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.games.roguelike.rogue
2 invalid votes
CHARTER
RATIONALE
rec.games.roguelike.* Final Vote Ack
rec.games.roguelike.rogue -----+
rec.games.roguelike.nethack ----+|
rec.games.roguelike.moria ---+||
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wsbu...@urc.tue.nl Kees van Tol YYY
zel...@ips.cs.tu-bs.de Andreas Zeller YYY
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