Tesuji dictionary reprinted
Richard Hunter
It's now available in three volumes priced 2000 yen each.
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Richard Hunter, living in Tokyo (email: hunter at gol dot com)
Petri P
shuko.
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Charles Matthews
"Richard Hunter" wrote
> The tesuji dictionary by Segoe and Go Seigen has been reprinted.
> It's now available in three volumes priced 2000 yen each.
Yay! This is a more conventional problem collection than the Shuko Tesuji
Dictionary (http://senseis.xmp.net/?FujisawaTesujiDictionary,
http://senseis.xmp.net/?FujisawaTesujiDictionaryDiscussion), with graded
problems (C, B, A levels - do start with C ...). Very useful.
Charles
Richard Hunter
> Who sells it? At least not on kiseido page. They do have a dictionary by
> shuko.
I saw it in the Nihon Kiin bookshop yesterday.
Tommie
in three volumes
Richard,
is this the book which has in a 1971/1978 edition, 2 (TWO) volumes
with 325 pages for the first volume?
(or is it another dictionary, you are referring to?)
Many thanks in advance,
Thomas
NB: BTW, many thanks for your excellent '2nd book on Go'.
I use it for/as teaching material in my Go-club at work, as it
provides many examples.
For myself the chapter on semeais was revealing.
I must admit that when I saw the book first on the shelf of the
Amsterdam Go shop 'Het Paard' I put it back due to its title and some
easy examples. It was only due to Steve Baileys 'Liberty Counting
Tables' that I got interested in the subject and really wanted to
understand the 'None' and 'All' in the colums referring to the shared
inside liberties. At the end I was compelled to buy your book and
praise it since then.
Thanks again.
Andrew Walkingshaw
"Useful" is a loaded phrase, to some extent - can I provoke you into
qualifying this further with "useful to *whom*" - ten kyus, three dans,
pros?
- Andrew
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Charles Matthews
> "Useful" is a loaded phrase, to some extent - can I provoke you into
> qualifying this further with "useful to *whom*" - ten kyus, three dans,
> pros?
If you're a ten kyu, a better place to start would be a Segoe tesuji book on
a smaller scale (this one has nearly 1000 problems IIRC). There were good
articles by Segoe translated in Go Review years ago - the take on tesuji is
quite 'classical', whatever that means. Perhaps it means tactical -
liberties in the foreground, shape in the background - but fundamental
shapes such as eye-stealing definitely there as themes.
Dave Erbach once told me that many of the Segoe-Go problems go back in some
form to a Murase Shuho collection (which has been reprinted in living
memory: anyone supply a title?) - they are all set out on half a board. So
this is a compilation from Segoe's and earlier sources - arranged by shape
rather than function (one big distinction from the Fujisawa Tesuji
Dictionary).
The book has three streams of problems: C, B, A. The C stream represents
what 'everybody should know' - the tesuji cliches, if you like, so useful
from 5 kyu upwards. The A problems are hard enough so that even if you know
the 'sort of thing' - it's a hane tesuji because there are fifty hane tesuji
in that section - it's still tough to read to the end of the problem because
you may have to spot a loose ladder that is less-than-obvious once you have
got the idea that must be it.
Working through it all would be suitable for someone on a mission to get to
5 dan quickly. I doubt any of the problems would trouble a pro, though.
I guess the B level represents stuff I (EGF 2300) might find in a serious
game with time to read - but would feel happy to have done so.
Charles
John Fairbairn
"Charles Matthews" <charles.r...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Erbach once told me that many of the Segoe-Go problems go back in
some
> form to a Murase Shuho collection (which has been reprinted in living
> memory: anyone supply a title?) - they are all set out on half a board.
So
> this is a compilation from Segoe's and earlier sources - arranged by shape
> rather than function (one big distinction from the Fujisawa Tesuji
> Dictionary).
>
him ten years to collect the problems, which came from many books old and
new, from teaching games, and - most interesting - from old Chinese records.
I assume this was a reference to Go's contribution. The Chinese theme is
taken up again in the other preface with a quotation from Zhuang Zi and
other Chinese references. This is part of a brief survey of go history, and
a reference to Shuho is included here as having revived go's fortunes. But I
can't recall any other mention of Shuho, nor can I think of any book apart
from Hoen Shinpo (fuseki) that he was involved with. The Fujisawa Hideyuki
book, however, does make heavy use of Kishimoto's Katsugo Shinpyo, and that
would certainly have merited a reprint.
There are odd interlude pages in the Segoe-Go book that give a classical
feel to the whole. E.g. a story about Genan Inseki, a list of the 10 Tang
dynasty maxims. Segoe was also a great authority on the Meiji era, so he
would have been thoroughly familiar with any work by Shuho.
Incidentally, this is one work that gives Segoshi as the reading in the
colophon, but that must be a copy editor's mistake. The (less common) Segoe
reading has been well established in magazine articles. Though with Japanese
names you should never take anything for certain...
ro...@telus.net
<andrew...@lexical.org.uk> wrote:
>> "Richard Hunter" wrote
>>
>>> The tesuji dictionary by Segoe and Go Seigen has been reprinted.
>>> It's now available in three volumes priced 2000 yen each.
>>
>qualifying this further with "useful to *whom*" - ten kyus, three dans,
>pros?
It's a little steep for 10k, Davies's "Tesuji" is better at that
level. As a rough guide, the C problems are about 5k-10k level, the
Bs about 1k-5k, and the As about 1d-5d.
The Go-Segoe dictionary is IMO the best tesuji collection ever,
because so many of the problems are from situations that occur all the
time: finding joseki moves, punishing joseki mistakes, common
applications of standard tesuji to life and death, etc. Going through
this book you are guaranteed to see problems that make you say,
"Aaghh! _That's_ what I should have done!" If you go through it a
number of times, starting with the C problems, until you can get most
of them at a glance, I guarantee you will shock and awe some of the
people who now beat you easily.
-- Roy L
Andrew Walkingshaw
Thanks; this is the kind of thing I think I'm looking for, really. (I'm
needing something to kick me out of a bit of a rut; I'm a very variable
BGA 3 kyu, according to my club grade, though I think I'm a pretty weak
one.)
Second question; I know no Japanese. This is likely to be a bit of a
problem, but how much - and secondarily, who's likely to be importing
these (or is Amazon Japan not entirely evil to navigate?)
Allan Adler
I made an inquiry into purchasing a book from a Japanese publisher in
Japan a few months ago and was a little shocked to learn that there would
be a "bank fee" of about 20 dollars for depositing a check from me, even
if the check were made out in yen and already paid for, like a money order.
I don't have a credit card and don't want one, so I'm a little concerned
about how much it would cost to order these books which nominally sell for
2000 yen per volume.
Allan Adler
a...@zurich.ai.mit.edu
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Richard Hunter
> is this the book which has in a 1971/1978 edition, 2 (TWO) volumes
> with 325 pages for the first volume?
Yes, the original was in 2 volumes. I bought mine in 1980. The reprint
is 3 volumes. Thicker paper, no slip-case. I think the new size/style is
similar to the book "Thickness for 5 dans" that John Fairbairn recently
described.
I have emailed Kiseido to suggest they add it to the list of Japanese
books they sell.
Incidently, the bookshelves of the Nihon Kiin are groaning with a huge
number of reprints and also many new books. There has been quite a
publishing boom, probably in response to the surge in new players
inspired by Hikaru no go.
The '2nd book of Go' is by Richard Bozulich (Kiseido 1998). I
contributed two chapters on semeai (about one-third of the total page
count).
> NB: BTW, many thanks for your excellent '2nd book on Go'.
> I use it for/as teaching material in my Go-club at work, as it
> provides many examples.
>
> For myself the chapter on semeais was revealing.
> I must admit that when I saw the book first on the shelf of the
> Amsterdam Go shop 'Het Paard' I put it back due to its title and some
> easy examples. It was only due to Steve Baileys 'Liberty Counting
> Tables' that I got interested in the subject and really wanted to
> understand the 'None' and 'All' in the colums referring to the shared
> inside liberties. At the end I was compelled to buy your book and
> praise it since then.
>
> Thanks again.
Louise Bremner
> ...is Amazon Japan not entirely evil to navigate?
amazon.co.jp now has a "Help in English" button at the top-right of each
page. There's also an "Add to Shopping Cart" button. From there on, the
pages seem to be all in English, except when there's an error (I've
already ordered from them, but can't remember my password).
These are the URLs of the first two volumes:
....but I can't find the third one there. This is kinda embarassing--do
my searching skills in Japanese suck that much, or has Amazon not got
that volume yet?
________________________________________________________________________
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Louise Bremner
> ....but I can't find the third one there.
Of course, it's possible that the third volume hasn't been published
yet, since the first two volumes came out in January and March....
Richard Hunter
> I have emailed Kiseido to suggest they add it to the list of Japanese
> books they sell.
Bozulich replied saying he plans to add the new 3 volume Segoe/Go Seigen
tesuji dictionary to the Kiseido list in June.
Thinking about it, I did only see vol. 1 and 2 in the Kiin, not vol. 3,
so perhaps the final vol has not actually been published yet.
Bozulich also said has already sold a couple of sets, so he might be
taking advance orders if you can't wait for the price list to appear.
ro...@telus.net
wrote:
>I made an inquiry into purchasing a book from a Japanese publisher in
>Japan a few months ago and was a little shocked to learn that there would
>be a "bank fee" of about 20 dollars for depositing a check from me, even
>if the check were made out in yen and already paid for, like a money order.
>I don't have a credit card and don't want one, so I'm a little concerned
>about how much it would cost to order these books which nominally sell for
>2000 yen per volume.
Japanese banks are just greed machines. They'll make you wait a week
to cash a _bank_draft_ (which means they already have the money from
your bank), then charge you a huge fee, to pay for all the cute tea
girls they give to their executives.
-- Roy L
Billy
> so perhaps the final vol has not actually been published yet.
>
( first volume has 4416703007 and second 4416703015 ). All three
volumes are available on amazon.co.jp and are priced 2000 yen.
Billy
Adam Atkinson
How can I find the third volume on amazon.co.jp? Searching on the ISBN
seems not to work.
--
Adam Atkinson (gh...@mistral.co.uk)
Please, call me Robert. It sounds so much more substantial.
(AVPP)
Lloyd Gowen
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4416703023/qid=1053540588/sr=1-59/ref=sr_1_0_59/250-1243331-0211468
this seems pretty long, but that is what I got when I copied the address line.
I did a search on characters for tesuji and it came up as #59 (but this may change as books are added)
Knowing that the price is 2,000 yen makes it rather easy to eliminate many of the books if your Japanese is as poor as mine (^_^)
Lloyd
Billy
> On 21-May-03 14:57:46, Billy said:
> >The third volume was published recently in May and has ISBN 4416703023
> >( first volume has 4416703007 and second 4416703015 ). All three
> >volumes are available on amazon.co.jp and are priced 2000 yen.
>
> How can I find the third volume on amazon.co.jp? Searching on the ISBN
> seems not to work.
Start from the main page amazon.co.jp, there's a combo box and a text
box on the top left side, don't change anything in the combo, just
type "4416703023" and press the "Go" button that's just near the text
box, normally you should reach the following page :
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4416703023/
The book has a somehow green cover.
Good luck,
Billy
Louise Bremner
reformatting for sense:
> >>...is Amazon Japan not entirely evil to navigate?
> >>
> >amazon.co.jp now has a "Help in English" button at the top-right of each
> >page. There's also an "Add to Shopping Cart" button. From there on, the
> >pages seem to be all in English, except when there's an error (I've
> >already ordered from them, but can't remember my password).
> >
> >These are the URLs of the first two volumes:
> >
> ><http://tinyurl.com/byub>
> >
> ><http://tinyurl.com/byud>
> >
> >....but I can't find the third one there. This is kinda embarassing--do
> >my searching skills in Japanese suck that much, or has Amazon not got
> >that volume yet?
> I found the third volume with this address:
>
>http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4416703023/qid=1053540588/sr=
>1-59/ref=sr_1_0_59/250-1243331-0211468
Good--it's finally appeared (the only one showing up on previous
searches was the lower volume of the previous edition and I wasn't sure
whether to confuse the issue by mentioning it as the one _not_ to order
in this case).
> this seems pretty long, but that is what I got when I copied the address
> line.
For URLs like that, you could try using <http://tinyurl.com/> or
<http://www.makeashorterlink.com/>.
> I did a search on characters for tesuji and it came up as #59 (but this
> may change as books are added)
> Knowing that the price is 2,000 yen makes it rather easy to eliminate
> many of the books if your Japanese is as poor as mine (^_^)
Yup (the equivalent volume of the older edition no longer has a price
listing <http://tinyurl.com/bzas>, but I remember it as being 4000 yen).
You could also check by the publication date, but I'm not sure how
obvious that is if you don't read much Japanese.
Adam Atkinson
>> How can I find the third volume on amazon.co.jp? Searching on the ISBN
>> seems not to work.
>Start from the main page amazon.co.jp, there's a combo box and a text
>box on the top left side, don't change anything in the combo, just
>type "4416703023" and press the "Go" button that's just near the text
>box, normally you should reach the following page :
>http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4416703023/
I'd tried putting the ISDN in the search box and pressing "Go", but
nothing happened. Could be my very antique browser.
Anyway, visiting one of the other volumes and replacing the ISBN in
the URL with that of the third volume did it. I should have thought of
that initially, really.
Thanks for the suggestion, though.
--
Adam Atkinson (gh...@mistral.co.uk)
"I got the first three wrong" he said, forthrightly.