Re: Video Proof: My account on IGS has been cleared again
tweet
> And this time I have video proof. I tried telnet, and I also tried cut
> and paste directly into glGo (while circling the mouse, so you know I
> didn't fake it!)
This would be easy to fake without editing the video.
All one need do is change the conditions beforehand,
and then do a video capture or whatever.
Example, one could change the password beforehand and
then do a video.
You tried to fool us with your Cornel game record, and
at the same time saying Cornel's memory was wrong about
the handicap.
>
> WHY HAS MY PASSWORD BEEN DISABLED? Hmmm? Go ahead, stats tsukino all
> you like, i can't log on! :)
>
> Would anyone like me to E-Mail them the video? You can draw your own
> conclusions. It is around 5 megs. the original is 223 megs, it's a
> camstudio capture, so I can't email it, but if you pay for S&H on
> paypal (about $4 or 5 I think) I will mail you a CD with the original
> video on it.
>
> -
>
Mef
tweet wrote:
> Renli (Oliver Richman) wrote:
> > And this time I have video proof. I tried telnet, and I also tried cut
> > and paste directly into glGo (while circling the mouse, so you know I
> > didn't fake it!)
>
>
> This would be easy to fake without editing the video.
> All one need do is change the conditions beforehand,
> and then do a video capture or whatever.
>
I find it interesting that you claim it would be easy to fake, but do
not outright call it a fake, especially since you would be one who
presumably would have knowledge of his account status? Not to mention
I daresay one might think from comments made on other posts here on RGG
that he might have good reason to think his account has been disabled?
noj...@gmail.com
Mef,
He was simply pointing out some of the ways in which the video would be
easy to fake. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know it to be a fake. He
is simply giving us background information.
Not everything needs to be spelled-out.
NJ
Bantari
noj...@gmail.com wrote:
> He was simply pointing out some of the ways in which the video would be
> easy to fake. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know it to be a fake. He
> is simply giving us background information.
A nice background info would be to just say if the account is disabled
or not.
Right? :)
______________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
tweet
It was not disabled.
Bantari
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>>Renli (Oliver Richman) wrote:
>>
>>>And this time I have video proof. I tried telnet, and I also tried cut
>>>and paste directly into glGo (while circling the mouse, so you know I
>>>didn't fake it!)
>>
>> This would be easy to fake without editing the video.
>> All one need do is change the conditions beforehand,
>> and then do a video capture or whatever.
>
>
> fake - you simply say it could be faked - a true yet meaningless
> statement.
>
>
>> Example, one could change the password beforehand and
>> then do a video.
>
>
> think this would be so easy to fake, tweet.
If you changed things beforehand, like the password, it
wouldn't matter what you cut and pasted afterwards and
then did a video.
>
>
>> You tried to fool us with your Cornel game record, and
>> at the same time saying Cornel's memory was wrong about
>> the handicap.
>
>
> I tried to fool you? By posting a game record? Tweet are you on DRUGS?
>
Yeah, sure ...
>
> So I guess this means you don't want to see the video? I can e-mail it
> to you any time you want.
>
Actually I don't care. You're not wanted at IGS. Good riddance.
> -
>
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>> It was not disabled.
>
>
> prevent me from logging on.
>
> And if you didnt modify the account, you modified the system.
>
> Why doesen't the password that "lost password recovery" provide work?
>
> -
>
Nothing was modified, your account was not disabled, cleared,
or changed in any form.
User errors (not the first time), or you're fooling around,
just like you tried with the game record between yourself
and Cornel and trying to claim Cornel's memory was wrong about
the game and the handicap. We all know which game was being
referred to, as evidenced by postings by others, including
Cornel.
Your account at IGS doesn't matter anymore. Stay away and
good riddance.
Renli (Oliver Richman):
"As for IGS, I couldn't care less."
tweet:
Then stay away from IGS.
Renli (Oliver Richman):
"If given the choice I'd rather play on Oro. It's a better service."
tweet:
Okay, I'll make the choice easier for you.
Big Duck
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>> If you changed things beforehand, like the password, it
>> wouldn't matter what you cut and pasted afterwards and
>> then did a video.
>
>
> through lost password retreival and then menu select cut and paste
> directly from firefox into microsoft telnet and glGo.
>
>
>>>> You tried to fool us with your Cornel game record, and
>>>> at the same time saying Cornel's memory was wrong about
>>>> the handicap.
>
>
> record. The only one who is trying to fool anyone here is YOU.
>
>
>>>So I guess this means you don't want to see the video? I can e-mail it
>>>to you any time you want.
>>>
>>
>> Actually I don't care. You're not wanted at IGS. Good riddance.
>
>
> lie? My, what a large ego you have! You just can't admit you made a
> mistake, can you tweet?
>
I haven't lied. Your account was not disabled or cleared. It
still works, if you can get in, with the same password.
However, you were banned after these statements by you, which
were made _after_ your video post:
Renli (Oliver Richman):
"As for IGS, I couldn't care less."
tweet:
Then stay away from IGS.
Renli (Oliver Richman):
"If given the choice I'd rather play on Oro. It's a better service."
tweet:
Okay, I'll make the choice easier for you.
> -
>
Chris Lawrence
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, tweet wrote:
> However, you were banned after these statements by you, which
> were made _after_ your video post:
On what grounds has he been banned?
--
Chris
Gohst @
concerning irritating trolls. ;<) I guess they aren't too worried
about membership....
-- Gohst
Mef
ambiguities in their policy about whether or not offline behavior
constitutes grounds for banishment.
-
>> tweet wrote:
>>> However, you were banned after these statements by you,
>>> which were made _after_ your video post:
> "Mef" <mwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's good to see that IGS has finally decided to clear up any
>> ambiguities in their policy about whether or not offline behavior
>> constitutes grounds for banishment.
Surprising. Can it be said that this was the first instance?
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's nice to see you've finally provided some hard evidence that people
> CAN and WILL get banned for disagreeing with you and your cronies
> (malf, jb) on rec.games.go!
I don't recall ever saying anything about this case. However
I can also supply corroboration: I tried logging in to `tsukino' and
have video evidence to prove that my login did not work properly.
> p.s. sounds like someone is a little sorry they tried to deny me access
> in such a malicious way. I have video proof you altered your system to
> prevent me from logging on with my password :)
You can't just use -your- password. You need to use the password
IGS assigns to you, or the new password that you change at the server.
I then tried logging in as `tweet' and have more video evidence that
this login did not work properly. Perhaps my `tweet' account should be
banned for similar reasons?
- regards
- jb
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Fraser Johnston
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160728065.2...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> p.s. sounds like someone is a little sorry they tried to deny me access
> in such a malicious way. I have video proof you altered your system to
> prevent me from logging on with my password :)
Why would anyone give a shit though?
Fraser
PS Tell your mum I said hi and will be over later.
Karim
>> p.s. sounds like someone is a little sorry they tried to deny me access
>> in such a malicious way. I have video proof you altered your system to
>> prevent me from logging on with my password :)
>
> Why would anyone give a shit though?
>
> Fraser
>
> PS Tell your mum I said hi and will be over later.
"Oliver Richman! You are a shit-talking idiot!"
Hehehe.
--
Karim
Fraser Johnston
"Karim" <nom...@nodomain.tld> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.13....@nodomain.tld...
I've had that going through my head all day. : )
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>>
>> Why would anyone give a shit though?
>
> he disagrees with in rec.games.go.
>
>> Fraser
>>
>> PS Tell your mum I said hi and will be over later.
>
> before, but hey, to each his own.
>
> Freak.
Hey, a mans gotta eat.
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
> Karim wrote:
>>
>> "Oliver Richman! You are a shit-talking idiot!"
>>
>> Hehehe.
>
> don't understand.
I love when you lose and claim you won. It's great. We have really missed you
around here Ollie. How about a nice game of go on a windy apartment building
rooftop. Afterwards we'll get the axes out.....
Fraser
Karim
>> "Oliver Richman! You are a shit-talking idiot!"
>>
>> Hehehe.
>
Well, I'm just quoting the lyrics to a popular song.
> Thats what you just don't understand.
If *only* I had your intellect and wisdom! Then I might understand...
Right, I am off to practise my battle-axe kata on a windy rooftop :-)
--
Karim
Michael Alford
> tweet wrote:
>
>> I haven't lied. Your account was not disabled or cleared. It
>> still works, if you can get in, with the same password.
>
> statement (and again): "...if you can get in..."
>
> Ahh but tweet the point is I can't get in ^^ this is a fact you dare
> not deny. And now that you have banned me after the fact (without cause
> - I am merely standing up to your bullshit) it doesen't really matter,
> now does it?
>
> It's nice to see you've finally provided some hard evidence that people
> CAN and WILL get banned for disagreeing with you and your cronies
> (malf, jb) on rec.games.go!
>
>
>> However, you were banned after these statements by you, which
>> were made _after_ your video post:
>
> in such a malicious way. I have video proof you altered your system to
> prevent me from logging on with my password :)
Since you've invoked my name, I'll just let the other readers know that
I chatted with an admin on IGS last night, and he told me that system
logs indicate that you changed your password several times. I don't
know, nor care, if you simply forgot which one was current, or are being
deliberately deceptive to cause trouble. btw, that bit with the game
with Cornel was really stupid, did you think other readers wouldn't
catch it? And as for being "banned", if that's truly the case, which
I'm not sure of, the tsukino account is still active in stats, you would
be the first one in several years, and you asked for it. Good riddance.
Nice to see your friends in rec.martial-arts remember you so fondly.
Yours,
Michael
Planar
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would anyone like me to E-Mail them the video? You can draw your own
> conclusions. It is around 5 megs. the original is 223 megs, it's a
> camstudio capture, so I can't email it, but if you pay for S&H on
> paypal (about $4 or 5 I think) I will mail you a CD with the original
> video on it.
Are you crazy? Everyone knows that IGS accounts are subject
to arbitrary banning and disabling. Who would want to _pay_
for this evidence? I wouldn't want your video even if you
offered to send money with it, and I expect most rgg readers
to feel the same.
--
Planar
remove .invalid from my address to send me mail
"I really couldn't care less about Japanese rules." - Chris Lawrence
tweet
> In article <1160634805.8...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Would anyone like me to E-Mail them the video? You can draw your own
>>conclusions. It is around 5 megs. the original is 223 megs, it's a
>>camstudio capture, so I can't email it, but if you pay for S&H on
>>paypal (about $4 or 5 I think) I will mail you a CD with the original
>>video on it.
>
>
> Are you crazy? Everyone knows that IGS accounts are subject
> to arbitrary banning and disabling. Who would want to _pay_
> for this evidence? I wouldn't want your video even if you
> offered to send money with it, and I expect most rgg readers
> to feel the same.
>
Oliver's video would be easy to fake.
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>> Oliver's video would be easy to fake.
>
>
>
> Oh. Did I neglect to mention I had my MP3 player going at the time? It
> clearly shows the visualisation as I start the song, which means not
> only would I have to precisely splice two separate videos, I would also
> have to precisely splice the audio as well, perfectly in time with the
> visualizer on a second video.
>
> Which means I would need nanosecond accuracy to produce the second
> video, something humanly impossible to produce in such a short time
> frame.
>
> Unless of course you are accusing me of having secret ties to
> Industrial Light and Magic! Haha, you have said more ridiculous things
> in the past, never know with tweet...
>
> -
>
_One_ possible method to fake this would be to have another person
log into your account, while you are videoing your self getting the
password and copying and pasting into whatever, and have that person
change your password. Then your video would show you failing to log
into your account, because the other person changed your password
for you, shortly before your video reached the point where you needed
to enter your password.
Easy and simple.
There are other possible low tech methods, but I see no point in
listing all the ones I could think of, not to mention the high tech
methods such as scripting etc..
Chris Lawrence
> _One_ possible method to fake this would be to have another person
> log into your account, while you are videoing your self getting the
[...]
One other method would be to screw with his password and then post
example scenarios here as a distraction.
> Easy and simple.
Easy and much simpler.
--
Chris
tweet
If I wanted to ban him at that time, I would have blocked his
IP. Changing the password would have do little to keep him out.
Also the password retrieval program provides whatever password
exists at the time.
Planar
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote:
> not deny. And now that you have banned me after the fact (without cause
> - I am merely standing up to your bullshit) it doesen't really matter,
Not without cause. The cause is that you criticized IGS and
Tweet in this newsgroup. I got the same treatment for the
same reason.
> It's nice to see you've finally provided some hard evidence that people
> CAN and WILL get banned for disagreeing with you and your cronies
> (malf, jb) on rec.games.go!
Now I'm jealous. I had a much harder time getting Tweet to
admit it in my case, and he never did it in public.
Note that you have no cause for complaint, since the IGS user
agreement explicitely states that the admins have discretionary
banning powers: they can ban you (or any other IGS user) for
any reason they want, no matter how unfair.
Michael Alford
> Michael Alford wrote:
>> Since you've invoked my name, I'll just let the other readers know that
>> I chatted with an admin on IGS last night, and he told me that system
>> logs indicate that you changed your password several times.
>
> and subsequent lost password retreival e-mails I received. If I changed
> my password so many times, I defy malf to provide dates and times and
> details of the so-called "many times".
>
> I will then post the lost password retreival emails which would clearly
> contradict malf. Please note that I have video evidence which shows me
> using the lost password retreival system, shows the email appearing in
> my inbox at gmail, immediately opening and checking this only e-mail
> from pandanet, cutting and pasting the password directly into microsoft
> telnet and also glgo.
>
> Malf has been caught in a lie.
All I did was report what I was told, given the choice between believing
you and believing the IGS admins, it's a no-brainer which I will
believe. Are you accusing the IGS admins of lying to me?
Your,
Michael
PS: please learn the difference between "your" and "you're", thanks.
Bantari
> Since you've invoked my name, I'll just let the other readers know that
> I chatted with an admin on IGS last night, and he told me that system
> logs indicate that you changed your password several times. I don't
> know, nor care, if you simply forgot which one was current, or are being
> deliberately deceptive to cause trouble. btw, that bit with the game
> with Cornel was really stupid, did you think other readers wouldn't
> catch it? And as for being "banned", if that's truly the case, which
> I'm not sure of, the tsukino account is still active in stats, you would
> be the first one in several years, and you asked for it. Good riddance.
Well, tweet said he was banned... *now*, after the video posts.
I though I had it all clear with the IGS policies, banning,
de-registering, and such, but now I am confused again.
Which IGS policy did renli broke to be banned, exactly?
I know he can be obnoxious at times... is that what happened during the
initial kibiz?...
_____________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
tweet
> In article <1160728065.2...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>not deny. And now that you have banned me after the fact (without cause
>>- I am merely standing up to your bullshit) it doesen't really matter,
>
>
> Not without cause. The cause is that you criticized IGS and
> Tweet in this newsgroup. I got the same treatment for the
> same reason.
>
>
>>It's nice to see you've finally provided some hard evidence that people
>>CAN and WILL get banned for disagreeing with you and your cronies
>>(malf, jb) on rec.games.go!
>
>
> Now I'm jealous. I had a much harder time getting Tweet to
> admit it in my case, and he never did it in public.
That's because I have nothing to do with your case.
If you had read jb, you would know the reason for
your case.
>
>
> Note that you have no cause for complaint, since the IGS user
> agreement explicitely states that the admins have discretionary
> banning powers: they can ban you (or any other IGS user) for
> any reason they want, no matter how unfair.
>
Actually if were were following closely what Oliver said,
this had nothing to do with criticizing IGS and Tweet in
this newsgroup, or 'standing up to bullshit'.
Instead Ollie made accusations and lies, not criticisms.
Bantari makes criticisms against IGS and Tweet, but Ollie
does otherwise.
"You will not be welcome on IGS, if in the opiniion of an
IGS administrator, if you deliberately:
c) spread remarks about IGS (whether on IGS, or in newsgroups,
or otherwise), in a pattern of deceit, half-truths, malicious
name-calling, false accusations, threats or obscenity;"
Planar
tweet <tw...@pandanet.net> wrote:
> Oliver's video would be easy to fake.
Oh, we know you're an expert on fake images, tweet...
tweet
> In article <BIqdnUJ32Y7eL7LY...@comcast.com>,
> tweet <tw...@pandanet.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Oliver's video would be easy to fake.
>
>
> Oh, we know you're an expert on fake images, tweet...
>
Which images did I fake, and how would you know I
faked them and not someone else?
Bantari
> Actually if were were following closely what Oliver said,
> this had nothing to do with criticizing IGS and Tweet in
> this newsgroup, or 'standing up to bullshit'.
>
> Instead Ollie made accusations and lies, not criticisms.
>
> IGS administrator, if you deliberately:
>
> c) spread remarks about IGS (whether on IGS, or in newsgroups,
> or otherwise), in a pattern of deceit, half-truths, malicious
> name-calling, false accusations, threats or obscenity;"
Alright, case closed.
Please disregard my previous post.
I am not confused anymore. Thx. :)
____________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Badger North
Michael Alford wrote:
> Nice to see your friends in rec.martial-arts remember you so fondly.
Remember, and miss him too. Without his contributions to RMA, we never
would have been spurred to create the Richman Scale for rating trolls.
Badger North
www.youngforest.ca
Michael Alford
:)
Fraser Johnston
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160791973.2...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> tweet wrote:
>
>> _One_ possible method to fake this would be to have another person
>> log into your account, while you are videoing your self getting the
>> password and copying and pasting into whatever, and have that person
>> change your password. Then your video would show you failing to log
>> into your account, because the other person changed your password
>> for you, shortly before your video reached the point where you needed
>> to enter your password.
>
> "numerous"
> times. Give me the exact times and dates then. Go ahead - post them.
Gee Ollie I still you are still a pissy bitch. How is that working out for
you?
Fraser
-
> tweet wrote:
>> If you had read jb, you would know the reason for your case.
"Renli" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... Quoting JB to support your argument will get you nowhere fast
> with the thinking majority - haven't you learned that by now?
First, tweet did not quote me. Second, I don't know when any
vote was taken. Third, in this case what are we voting on? Had
I assumed some standpoint or perspective comprising a position?
Fourth, since when does "Renli" qualify himself as a thinker ?
Fifth, how did the majority become a "thinking" group of people?
What happened to the road less travelled in the paths that diverged
in the yellow wood? ( A site I have visited, when at Dartmouth. )
> 1. Tsukino will backtrack and say IGS admins forced him to lose his
> game against Cornel (Tweet)
Senseless remark. Of course another game is possible.
> 2. Tsukino is a Kyu level player (accusation)
Why is one accused for a condition which at one time everyone has?
- regards
- jb
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Fraser Johnston
> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>>
>> Gee Ollie I still you are still a pissy bitch. How is that working out for
>> you?
>
> you make yourself look like a buffoon in the process of trying, so you
> eventually concede your loss in frustration by name calling - then yeah
> - it's working out quite well.
Translation = Ollie hasn't been layed since Adam was wearing a fig leaf.
Fraser
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>> If you had read jb, you would know the reason for
>> your case.
>>
>
>
> with the thinking majority - haven't you learned that by now?
As usual you're just making things up. There were no quotes
by jb in my post.
What is a "big fat hypocrates"?
>
>
>> Actually if were were following closely what Oliver said,
>> this had nothing to do with criticizing IGS and Tweet in
>> this newsgroup, or 'standing up to bullshit'.
>>
>> Instead Ollie made accusations and lies, not criticisms.
>>
>> Bantari makes criticisms against IGS and Tweet, but Ollie
>> does otherwise.
>
>
> "The president has already made himself very clear on this subject and
> will not be questioned" AHahahaha tweet. Accusations and lies?
>
> 1. Tsukino will backtrack and say IGS admins forced him to lose his
> game against Cornel (Tweet)
>
> 2. Tsukino is a Kyu level player (accusation)
>
>
>> "You will not be welcome on IGS, if in the opiniion of an
>> IGS administrator, if you deliberately:
>>
>> c) spread remarks about IGS (whether on IGS, or in newsgroups,
>> or otherwise), in a pattern of deceit, half-truths, malicious
>> name-calling, false accusations, threats or obscenity;"
>
>
> "Fuck you" - Malf
>
> "Old Hag" - Tweet
>
> "This idiot renli's account was never 'cleared',
> just his own ineptitude created his problems. " - tweet
>
> "William shuebert is a Fucking Thief" -Malf
>
> Looks like you and malf deserve a ban, you big fat hypocrates.
>
> -
>
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>>Changing the password would have do little to keep him out.
>>Also the password retrieval program provides whatever password
>>exists at the time.
>
>
> didn't say you changed the password! I said I was unable to log on with
> the password that I was provided by the system :) I was VERY CLEAR
> about this situation! I must conclude you are intentionally lying OR
> you are an idiot. As I know you are not an idiot, you must be lying.
>
> Why is it, that after so many replies, you still cannot make a firm
> confirmation or denial on this subject? You have to send malf to say my
> password was changed numerous times. Yet no one can provide a list of
> times and dates, perhaps the one solid peice of evidence you COULD
> provide, being an administrator?
>
> I'm waiting for your proof - otherwise it's your word against mine and
> frankly with all the people you've banned, and my video evidence, I'd
> say you lost this round tweet.
>
Instead of sayiing "my video evidence", say "my faked video
evidence".
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>> What is a "big fat hypocrates"?
>>
>
>
> in this specific instance refers to you and malf :)
>
> -
>
What does "hypocrate" mean?
-
>> tweet wrote:
>>> What is a "big fat hypocrates"?
> Renli wrote:
>> A "big fat hypocrates" is the plural form of "big fat hypocrate",
>> which in this specific instance refers to you and malf :)
tweet <tw...@pandanet.net> wrote:
> What does "hypocrate" mean?
I am surprised you did not know this one. Short form of :
hypocrateriform, a. -( Oxford English Dictionary )-
Bot.
Having the form of a salver raised on a support: said of a corolla
in which the tube is long and cylindrical, with a flat spreading
limb at right angles to it, as in the periwinkle and phlox.
[1753 CHAMBERS Cycl. Supp., Hypocrateriformis,..the name given
by Mr. Tournefort to a peculiar sort of flowers.]
1788 J. LEE Introd. Bot. (ed. 4) 7 Hypocrateriform, salver-shaped,
that is plain or flat, and standing on a Tube.
1830 LINDLEY Nat. Syst. Bot. 222 Corolla monopetalous,..
hypocrateriform, with from 5 to 8 divisions.
1847 W. E. STEELE Field Bot. 169 Perianth hypocrateriform..having
a cup-shaped crown surrounding the top of the tube.
So hypocraterimorphous a. [Gr. - shape, form + -OUS;
cf. F. hypocratérimorphe.]
1880 GRAY Struct. Bot. vi. §5. 248 Hypocrateriform, or rather (not to
mix Latin and Greek) Hypocraterimorphous, in English Salverform.
- regards
- jb
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Michael Alford
> tweet wrote:
>> What is a "big fat hypocrates"?
>>
>
> in this specific instance refers to you and malf :)
I fail to find this word "hypocrate" in any of my dictionaries.
Gohst @
obscene and abusive as they desire, in public forums, because there is
no one who will ban them!
Of course, the admins aren't being abusive toward IGS itself, or its
proprietors, but rather toward IGS "customers", or other servers'
people. Whether or not the customers "deserve" this treatment isn't
really relevant. The behavior itself is unbecoming... almost like the
IGS admins are often drunk while posting. Do y'all party a lot?
- Gohst
Michael Alford
> had been changed several times?
>
> What are the exact dates and times the password was changed, and to
> what? Thank you.
Oh, come on, Ollie, you know that better than anyone else, why should
you need their input?
Fraser Johnston
> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>>
>> Translation = Ollie hasn't been layed since Adam was wearing a fig leaf.
>
> to either newsgroup, or just run your mouth and talk shit all day?
>
> Inquiring minds...
Running my mouth takes up a large % but I'm sure I've contributed occasionally.
On the bright side not everyone here thinks I am a fucking idiot.
Fraser
Planar
tweet <tw...@pandanet.net> wrote:
> If you had read jb, you would know the reason for
> your case.
When did jb become an official IGS spokesman? I know the
reason for my case because you told me in e-mail.
--
Planar
remove .invalid from my address to send me mail
"I really couldn't care less about Japanese rules." - Chris Lawrence
Planar
tweet <tw...@pandanet.net> wrote:
> Which images did I fake, and how would you know I
> faked them and not someone else?
I didn't say you faked them yourself, but you have a whole
gallery of them.
tweet
> In article <VbWdnXudKahSULLY...@comcast.com>,
> tweet <tw...@pandanet.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Which images did I fake, and how would you know I
>> faked them and not someone else?
>
>
> I didn't say you faked them yourself, but you have a whole
> gallery of them.
>
Previously you said ...
"Oh, we know you're an expert on fake images, tweet..."
How would the gallery make me an expert? A team put together
the artwork and pages.
Anyway, a few of the art works, perhaps less than a dozen,
were meant as a joke. The artists rendering a few pictures
thought it was fun, and in some cases the joke would be
obvious. However, a few persons such as yourself and renli would
rather use the art galleries for their own agendas and slander.
Personally, I consider these joke pictures art in themselves.
The USS Monitor picture was clearly meant as a joke. It was
correctly labled in case anyone cared to research the photo.
It is also in the 'Exposition - Parody - Satire' section
from the IGS English home page
http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English
Click on 'Exposition - Parody - Satire' and then click on
the gold design on the bottom right.
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>> The USS Monitor picture was clearly meant as a joke. It was
>> correctly labled in case anyone cared to research the photo.
>> It is also in the 'Exposition - Parody - Satire' section
>> from the IGS English home page
>
>
> they are a joke by saying they are faked? Why bother arguing? I dont
> get it.
>
> Besides, wasn't it JB who said that the US military had an agenda and
> the US military were the ones who had faked the photo? You yourself
> have implied on many occasions JB is a spokesman for IGS, so...
>
> Anyways.. I guess we should all be thankful and accept your post here
> as an apology and let bygones be bygones. Right? :)
>
> -
>
I think it's no accident that the rma folks published this
drawing of you and caption
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/Lyrics.cfm?BandID=24002&songid=243091
And also this song
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=24002
(13th song from the top)
tweet
> Renli wrote:
>>
>> Anyways.. I guess we should all be thankful and accept your post here
>> as an apology and let bygones be bygones. Right? :)
>>
>> -
>>
>
> I think it's no accident that the rma folks published this
> drawing of you and caption
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/Lyrics.cfm?BandID=24002&songid=243091
>
>
> And also this song
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=24002
> (13th song from the top)
>
>
>
Perhaps the RMA guys can tell us more about this song. :-)
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>> Perhaps the RMA guys can tell us more about this song. :-)
>
>
> years, I dont mind telling you more about the song. First let me state
> clearly I have currently given up practising Taiji for a while, as I
> focus on Go.
>
> The Song was written by a guy called El Queso, who remained basically
> anonymous through an extended flamewar. By his own admission he did not
> practice martial arts, however, he had sided with a vocal minority of
> people (from the BJJ/"MMA" crowd mainly) who had decided to make a
> field day of discrediting chinese traditional martial arts. There is no
> arguing with these people.
>
> Anyways, this guy obviously has great musical talent, and decided to
> participate in the only way he knew how - by writing a song about me.
> He also made physical threats on my life. As he was a discordian (yes,
> he actually worshipped Bob and believed in slack - to each his own). So
> what if i'm outspoken, the song itself cannot be called credible, as
> it's author actually knew nothing of the subject matter in question,
> and to some might be classified as mentally insane (this is not my own
> diagnosis, but the subgenius church admits that their teaching are both
> insane, and designed to drive people insane).
>
> All that being said the song itself is kind of catchy - although, the
> opening is grossly inaccurate if it is expected to portray myself, and
Au contrair, I think he knew you well.
> only serves to show how little El Queso knew of my position on
> traditional chinese martial arts. I am a proponent of Chen style
> taijiqian - The clip he presents seems to prortray me as a Taoist ;)
>
> I wouldn't have expected you to understand the history of the song, but
> please tweet - if you think that the song means anything important,
> you're stupid.
>
> -Oliver Richman
>
Frank de Groot
> Anyways, this guy obviously has great musical talent, and decided to
> participate in the only way he knew how - by writing a song about me.
I sense a business opportunity here.
He could make a website where he offers his services to the highest bidder,
making similar songs about other people who have pissed someone off. Like
those 10-minute poem writers. After a while he could do several songs a day
for say 100 USD each.
tweet
He would have to know his subject well. Clearly he knew
and understood Renli (Oliver Richman) very well!
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>
>> He would have to know his subject well. Clearly he knew
>> and understood Renli (Oliver Richman) very well!
>
>
It's a perfect description of you.
>
> Oh, and did you manage to find those server logs of when I changed my
> password on IGS? Your a flat out liar tweet lol
I don't recall being asked for any server logs, and I'm not
going to give any server logs to you simply because you
demand them.
>
> It was beautiful to see you backtrack on the uss monitor this morning -
> You DO know that google archives all of this, right?
I haven't backtracked on anything with regards to my current
statements about the USS Monitor.
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>>>Why is it clear?
>>
>> It's a perfect description of you.
>
>
The song has Oliver Richman as part of it's title.
>
>
>>>Oh, and did you manage to find those server logs of when I changed my
>>>password on IGS? Your a flat out liar tweet lol
>>
>> I don't recall being asked for any server logs, and I'm not
>> going to give any server logs to you simply because you
>> demand them.
>
>
> Then why did you give them to Malf?
I didn't give any logs to malf.
> And if you didn't, who did? Unless,
Ask malf.
> you are saying Malf is a liar :)
>
>
>>>It was beautiful to see you backtrack on the uss monitor this morning -
>>>You DO know that google archives all of this, right?
>>
>> I haven't backtracked on anything with regards to my current
>> statements about the USS Monitor.
>
>
> Sure you did. You admitted the photo was a that morning, I can give you
> a google link.
I haven't backtracked on anything with my statements this
morning, and nor do my statements this morning contradict anything I
said in the past about the USS Monitor. Provide the links showing
I backtracked on any previous statements that you claim I made
regarding the USS Monitor.
tweet
> tweet wrote:
>
>>>> I don't recall being asked for any server logs, and I'm not
>>>> going to give any server logs to you simply because you
>>>> demand them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then why did you give them to Malf?
>>
>> I didn't give any logs to malf.
>
>
Provide a cite where he said an administrator gave the logs
in question to malf.
> extremely difficult to imagine that thh IGS administrator was anyone
> but you. Who was it then?
>
>
>>>And if you didn't, who did? Unless,
>>
>> Ask malf.
>
>
> No, I'm asking you - if your not scared - that is. Who is the liar now
> tweet? It's you.
>
> -
>
Unless you cite malf, that I gave him any logs regarding
you, then I would say you are the liar.
Michael Alford
> tweet wrote:
>>>> I don't recall being asked for any server logs, and I'm not
>>>> going to give any server logs to you simply because you
>>>> demand them.
>>>
>>> Then why did you give them to Malf?
>> I didn't give any logs to malf.
>
I did not. My post on Oct 13 says I spoke with an admin, whom I did not
name, and that he told me you changed your password several times. I did
not say I was given any logs. That's ridiculous. You're despicable and
deceitful. You make stuff up, then post as though your lies are real.
You live in an amazing fantasy world. Someone recently accused the IGS
admins of posting drunk, you must be on acid.
Michael
tweet
Additionally, I'm not the only administrator malf communicates
with.
Bantari
> It's convenient to say you did not receive the logs. I challenge you to
> produce them. If you cannot, then...
How can he produce any logs if he did not receive any?
God knows, I have been crossing words with malf more than probably
anybody here... But fair is fair - malf did not say he received any
logs, just that he was told by *an* admin. And he never named tweet as
the admin who told him either.
> I *DEFY* you to produce the logs.
Sigh...
Just re-read what malf said.
I *DEFY* you to learn to read. :)
If you want to bash malf, there is enough legitimate stuu to do it for.
But he did *not* post he was given any logs. Just that he was "told"
about you changing passwords.
_____________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Bantari
Bantari wrote:
> I *DEFY* you to learn to read. :)
I hate to follow up my own posts with a follw up, but...
Just to make it easy for you, here is the exact quote:
<malf-quote>
I chatted with an admin on IGS last night, and he told me that system
logs indicate that you changed your password several times.
</malf-quote>
I draw your attention, in particular, to the words "told" and "an
admin".
The whole post can be found here:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/msg/771c865837464d47?dmode=source
do-oh. :)
_____________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Michael Alford
> Michael Alford wrote:
>>> Your lying. He said an administrator gave the logs to malf.
>>
>> I did not. My post on Oct 13 says I spoke with an admin, whom I did not
>> name, and that he told me you changed your password several times. I did
>> not say I was given any logs.
>
> produce them. If you cannot, then...
>
>> deceitful. You make stuff up, then post as though your lies are real.
>
>
>> You live in an amazing fantasy world. Someone recently accused the IGS
>> admins of posting drunk, you must be on acid.
>
> unless you were being deceitful and despicable, and making stuff up,
> then posting as if that lie was real.
Once more, if you can't be bothered to read the actual post, I'll quote
from it. From my post of Oct 13:
"Since you've invoked my name, I'll just let the other readers know that
I chatted with an admin on IGS last night, and he told me that system
logs indicate that you changed your password several times."
_NOWHERE_ did I ever say that I was ever given any logs. Just another of
your deceitful and deceptive lies.
Bantari
> > Bantari wrote:
> > > I *DEFY* you to learn to read. :)
>
>
> him about "logs" which indicate my password was changed several times,
> I would like to know about it, because I can assure you I did not
> change my password.
Your quest is in vain, I'm afraid.
I've been there, I know. :(
> Again. I DEFY malf and tweet to produce such logs. If they cannot, then
> they are liars.
No.
In the worst case scenario (for them), i.e. if you are correct, the
mysterious unnamed admin might be a liar. Or he might be simply
mistaken. Malf is just repeating what he hears (as so often, sigh), and
tweet might not even have anything to do with that.
You cannot call malf a liar for failing to produce a log he never
claimed to have had or even seen. Period. Calling tweet a liar in this
particular case is even more off the mark. All he claimed is that you
are now banned (from what I understand), so to prove him a liar you
need to proved you are not banned. :)
Wishful thinking is a powerful weapon, but for your enemies. :)
My advice is - spend your time on better things than barking up this
tree.
If you really want to "get" malf or tweet, you have to search the
archives for a better material, I'm afraid. On this one, they appear
clean. No matter how much you wish it was otherwise.
__________________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/
Mef
Renli wrote:
>
> Dont ever think anyone forgets the day before you started running your
> mouth on RGG. My advice to you is to apologize, and then learn to shut
> up. You are ruining IGS's reputation with your backtracking and
> babbling insults at people.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/browse_frm/thread/b0f055d21e3df81d/4c8556d9feed13c6?&hl=en#4c8556d9feed13c6
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/browse_frm/thread/b0f055d21e3df81d/4c8556d9feed13c6?&hl=en#4c8556d9feed13c6
>
> Such a peacefuland productive dicsussion, relatively speaking.
>
> -
Interesting links...after five and a half years, Bantari and Malf still
don't get along. I guess I should take comfort in the fact that some
things never change...
Bantari
> You can't just make up stuff and say your grandma said it was true and
> NOT have people laugh in your face.
Give people more credit.
They read the same posts you do.
> No, I want to know who the admin was who said my password had been
> changed several times. I want to find out why I could not log into IGS
> with my password, when there was no problem in connecting to the
> service.
The log on to IGS and ask the admin yourself.
There is no way you can force malf to name names, you know.
The more you huff and puff, the more you lose credibility.
Trust me. :)
______________
-Bantari
http://www.bantari.net/