equipment/culture question
notagain
occurred to me, why is there so little variation in Go boards and stones? i
haven't seen different colored boards except on a few igs clients, i haven't
seen a very wide range of materials for the boards and stones except
functional such as magnetic sets. i haven't yet heard of royalty excesses
such as precious stones or suchlike.
i know a lot of it is that i see only what's online to see. is there a
"hello kitty" set, for example?
i think some variations in sets could be very well done. douglas fir board,
pink and white marble stones, madrona or ebony or cherry bowls would be
beautiful.
thanks in advance.
Bruce Tomlin
"notagain" <oh.no...@harbornet.com> wrote:
> i know a lot of it is that i see only what's online to see. is there a
> "hello kitty" set, for example?
I have a Hello Kitty reversi (Othello) set, missing a few chips. That's
kind of close. :-) Pink/Kitty on one side, Green/Keroppi on the other.
confuseus
precious stones and metals. And I love those ornate, carved, lacquer bowls.
Barry Phease
<oh.no...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>i think some variations in sets could be very well done. douglas fir board,
>pink and white marble stones, madrona or ebony or cherry bowls would be
>beautiful.
There are only a small number of variations possible.
Certainly colours could vary from black and white stones. I have some
red and green stones (from Japan) which are more attractive for
children (also useful for 4 person go). It is possible to buy stones
(from China) made from jadeite or marble, which can be in a variety of
different shades.
The stones don't have to be round or lens shaped. Most chinese stones
are flat on one side. I have played with square stones, which are a
little inconvenient.
The boards allow for a range of variation. You generally want a
fairly light shade so that it is easy to distinguish the stones. you
could have some background image. It doesn't have to be a woodgrain
pattern.
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Louise Bremner
> ...is there a "hello kitty" set, for example?
If there is, I don't want to know. Not even for informational purposes.
> ...pink and white marble stones, madrona or ebony or cherry bowls would be
> beautiful.
There are various different-coloured stones on sale. I don't think I've
seen pink and white ones (or have I?), but I have seen them in pale and
dark veined marble (imported from China--beautiful, but a little
confusing) and pale- and dark-green glass (devised by someone with poor
eyesight, who found the contrast between black and white too
harsh--unfortunately, the effect is of something nasty growing within
the stones).
Bowls too--you could spend some serious money on exotic bowls. If you
happen to come to the Nihon Kiin in Ichigaya, there's a display case of
them in the lobby (although the rest of the equipment on sale is either
in the basement or on the second floor).
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Steve Bailey
> having just seen a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" chess set, the question
> occurred to me, why is there so little variation in Go boards and stones? i
> haven't seen different colored boards except on a few igs clients, i haven't
> seen a very wide range of materials for the boards and stones except
> functional such as magnetic sets
I once played a tournament game on a glass board with (non-uniform)
glass stones (I think they were pinkish and greenish) at an event where
the proper sets arrived after round 1 started.
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gowan
>
> i think some variations in sets could be very well done. douglas fir board,
> pink and white marble stones, madrona or ebony or cherry bowls would be
> beautiful.
> thanks in advance.
Cherry bowls are quite common, available on the internet from
Samarkand, Yutopian, and Kurokigoishiten. Ebony has been used for
bowls in Japan in the past. It's probably not so common now due to
the growing scarcity of ebony. Too much variation in the stones would
be distracting. After all, the real purpose of the stones is to serve
as markers for the position on the board, and it is the position, not
the markers, that we want to pay attention to. Same goes for the
board itself. If the grain or pattern of the wood is too pronounced
it is distracting. Personally I don't like those unusual or ornate
chess sets for the same reason. If you have to think about whether a
piece is a bishop or a rook it's hard to play well. I love the
beautiful bowls on display at the Nihon Ki-in, the lacquer, the
shimakuwa, oh my. Unfortunately I can't afford the tens of thousands
of US$ they cost.
ro...@telus.net
<oh.no...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>having just seen a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" chess set,
Yes, well, chess players deserve it, don't they?
>the question
>occurred to me, why is there so little variation in Go boards and stones? i
>haven't seen different colored boards except on a few igs clients,
I have seen yellow, grey, green and orange =:* boards, in addition to
several shades of brown.
>i haven't
>seen a very wide range of materials for the boards and stones except
>functional such as magnetic sets. i haven't yet heard of royalty excesses
>such as precious stones or suchlike.
There are some exotic sets coming out of China these days. But China
has a history of rococo taste in arts.
>i know a lot of it is that i see only what's online to see. is there a
>"hello kitty" set, for example?
That would have to be considered evidence for the existence of Satan.
>i think some variations in sets could be very well done. douglas fir board,
Grain too strong. You could knock it back with a pale stain, though,
and Douglas fir is about as hard as kaya.
>pink and white marble stones, madrona or ebony or cherry bowls would be
>beautiful.
As some Korean mother-of-pearl-inlaid boards and cloisonne bowls
demonstrate, there is a fine line between beautiful and tacky. And of
course, there is also butt-ugly (Ing "bowls").
-- Roy L
notagain
first, thanks for all the great replies to my exotic equipment post, i think
the issue then for me is that the more exotic sets are not visible online.
second, Barry Phease anticipated this thread with the following reply to
that post:
> Certainly colours could vary from black and white stones. I have some
> red and green stones (from Japan) which are more attractive for
> children (also useful for 4 person go).
i was about to research and ask about 3 or 4 person games. google yielded
two of your posts (the other from 1999) and a US GO congress flyer from
1993.
where can i look up special rules and whatnot, and also can i play it online
on any of the servers? if not i may try to get the local group to try it.
i think it'd be a hoot. believe it or not i came up with such a notion on
my own, and i want to see how close i came to how it's played.
notagain
has suggested another thread that does not seem to have been addressed in
any depth before that i could find. see "4 person go" thread.
<ro...@telus.net> wrote in message news:3d372385...@news.telus.net...
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:04:32 -0700, "notagain"
> <oh.no...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>
> >having just seen a "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" chess set,
>
>> Yes, well, chess players deserve it, don't they?
>
> >i know a lot of it is that i see only what's online to see. is there a
> >"hello kitty" set, for example?
>
> That would have to be considered evidence for the existence of Satan.
>
> >i think some variations in sets could be very well done. douglas fir
board,
>
> -- Roy L
Allan Crossman
<oh.no...@harbornet.com> wrote:
> where can i look up special rules and whatnot, and also can i play it online
> on any of the servers? if not i may try to get the local group to try it.
> i think it'd be a hoot. believe it or not i came up with such a notion on
> my own, and i want to see how close i came to how it's played.
Well, 4 person go wouldn't be too different from normal go. One thing
that you might want to legislate about is whether alliances (and even
tactical discussion) are allowed/forbidden, etc.
Ko is also an issue - the normal ko rule (no repetition of position)
would allow players 1 and 3, or 2 and 4, to recapture indefinitely,
while the other players got on with the game... there are other
problems here too.
I see there's a page at:
http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/gv/players.htm
It says that captures can be made by more than one colour of piece
working together, and we need to decide who gets the prisoners. In
fact, I think this is wrong - it doesn't matter who gets the prisoners,
as long as they are deducted from the score of the player who lost them
at the end. Or just use area rules.
But this page doesn't discuss the ko problems at all. Anyone? What ko
rules for multiplayer go?
Anyway, no, servers don't support this.
--
Allan Crossman (do a rot-13 on oyhrlbaqre)
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Tweedie
>i was about to research and ask about 3 or 4 person games. google yielded
>two of your posts (the other from 1999) and a US GO congress flyer from
>1993.
>where can i look up special rules and whatnot, and also can i play it online
>on any of the servers? if not i may try to get the local group to try it.
>i think it'd be a hoot. believe it or not i came up with such a notion on
>my own, and i want to see how close i came to how it's played.
IGS and the Pair Go Association (4 person Go) are part of the same organization.
'team' games can be played on IGS with 4 or 6 players in one Go game. On IGS
see help team
http://igs.joyjoy.net/English/sintro1.html
Allan Crossman
> IGS and the Pair Go Association (4 person Go) are part of the same
> organization. 'team' games can be played on IGS with 4 or 6 players
> in one Go game. On IGS see help team
No, this is not what the original poster is asking about.
Team go is just regular 2-player go (where a "player" is a team).
notagain
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Barry Phease
<oh.no...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>i was about to research and ask about 3 or 4 person games. google yielded
>two of your posts (the other from 1999) and a US GO congress flyer from
>1993.
3 person go tends to be about alliances, and to my mind not so
interesting. However four person go can be played in pairs. The way
I play it is that a stone can only connect to another of the same
colour, and that any of the other colour stones can remove a liberty.
The strategies are quite subtle as you can capture your partner's
stones and life/death/seki are quite different from normal go.