An Open Farewell Letter
Michael Alford
I was composing email to a couple friends this morning, when I decided I
needed to do something other than leave the group with the diatribe I posted
July 31. While I have enjoyed being the occasional clown, troll, flame
warrior, and shill, let me step outside the "malf" caricature for a moment: I
have been reading this group since 1992. I started posting to it in 1996. The
other day, I had a chat with Jan van der Steen on IGS, and we commented to
each other what a friendly and interesting group this used to be.
However, that is no longer the case. With what this group became during the
Art Gallery debacle, and the way it is now viewed by large portions of the
world, I can no longer participate in it. While my name still has some honor
and integrity attached to it in certain places where things like that matter,
I am disassociating myself from the group. I am not sure which is more
appalling, the fact that certain people pursued this to its current state, or
that they do not yet realize the enormity of what they've done. Whatever,
history will have to judge, I can no longer take off my intellectual shoes and
socks and wade in this cesspool of ignorance. This is, in all likelihood, the
last post I will ever make to this group. For those who are in part
responsible for the current state of affairs, I hope you all have interesting
email in the future.
"Good-bye, good-bye, to my friends all,
Hello to the one - I love the best."
Michael Alford
aka malf
aka the IGS shill
gone...
Fu, Ren-Li
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>
> However, that is no longer the case. With what this group became during
the
> Art Gallery debacle, and the way it is now viewed by large portions of the
> world, I can no longer participate in it.
Malf malf malf. I have been reading this group for not a long time, about a
couple years now. I'll tell you how this group is viewed by the world, it
stinks, and I would never admit posting here in real life. Not even a couple
years ago.
> While my name still has some honor
> and integrity attached to it in certain places where things like that
matter,
> I am disassociating myself from the group. I am not sure which is more
> appalling, the fact that certain people pursued this to its current state,
or
> that they do not yet realize the enormity of what they've done.
Hey malf, we've played a couple games on IGS. I think I won one. Anyway, the
enormity of what? Seriously, may I ask?
If it's just IGS's art section, whoop de doo. Is IGS going to shut down?
Malf, malf, malf.. what a sad state of affairs that would be, honestly, but
there ARE other go servers, and they are not worse for wear.
Is gobase.org shutting down(i say this because you mentioned the honorable
jansteen)? First I'd ask why, then I'd ask why not. With goproblems.com,
go4go.net, gtl.jeudego.org, and senseis's, even though we would all dearly
miss it (as we would with IGS if it shut down), it's not like it will
actually affect the flow of the go community here or in other places.
> Whatever,
> history will have to judge, I can no longer take off my intellectual shoes
and
> socks and wade in this cesspool of ignorance. This is, in all likelihood,
the
> last post I will ever make to this group. For those who are in part
> responsible for the current state of affairs, I hope you all have
interesting
> email in the future.
I think IGS got too big. IGS is part of the ministry of culture in Japan, I
hear. They are the only server authorized to broadcast game records from
tournaments online. And I hate to admit it, but even though their policies
are totally fair and in the open, they are draconian now. Even years ago as
a newbie I was fooled into saying NNGS, and I was banned with no
explanation. I apologized and was given back my account. *shrug*. I'm not an
idiot, I apologized. But all the same, I panicked. Panic? Malf, why?
I never panicked on KGS.
So who does IGS think it is? I don't get it. I really don't. They can't
possibly own every ukiyo-e in the world. They are the largest go server (but
not by much).. They can't stop me from collecting pro games, and basically
they can't stop me from quickly finding a game of go against a stronger
player if I wanted one. Malf please help me see the light. What exactly have
we done? What is the problem here? And, should we care?
I mean no disrespect to you, malf.. It's just that you guys yap on RGG like
it's the end of the f'in world, mate. Calm down. Play a game of go. It will
settle your nerves. Unless it's a 3 stone game and you're black of course.
Those games can be brutal.
-frl
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"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> ... I hate to admit it, but even though their policies are totally fair
> a newbie I was fooled into saying NNGS, and I was banned with
> no explanation. I apologized and was given back my account.
Well, that was then, and it worked out for you. What happens
now, that -compels- you to state "they are draconian now" ???
IGS policies w/r/t free accounts have not changed since July 1995.
- regards
- jb
Brent Locher
I wish you well in your personal endeavors.
This news group went down hill when NNGS set out to compete with IGS. IGS
has never been able to let go of this. When IGS lets go the news group will
go back to being friendly. NNGS is no longer a force, but these wars
against NNGS have spawned an awful lot of bad will towards IGS. IGS either
has to take steps to correct that bad will, or they have to live with it.
Let me review a few of the large flames over the last few years. These are
the ones I am familiar with. Most of these incidents point to actual action
taken by IGS or they suggest action will be taken by IGS.
--------------------
IGS supporters calls NNGS creators thieves. seek to deligitimize NNGS and
its users.
IGS bans the creator of NNGS
IGS supporters demands that the BGA change the content of its website
IGS blocks out cornel burzo (according to rgg archives)
IGS blocks out Bill Saltman (according to rgg archives)
IGS blocks out Eric Osman (according to rgg archives)
IGS blocks out Patrick Bridges (according to rgg archives)
IGS punishes a large portion of the teaching community (channel 42) on IGS
when they suggest going to a different server because of a bad net day for
IGS (according to rgg archives)
IGS takes down its art web pages and blames it on hostility contained on
rgg.
IGS supporters on rgg call a 26 kyu with questions about a help file a
"moron"
IGS blocks Rich Brown (according to rgg archives)
IGS places stories on its website that name specific individuals in very
unfavorable light. These stories are takes directly from flame wars on RGG.
-------------------
Some, not many, of the go community will not stand by and listen to the
chant of "Why can't we all be friends" without speaking up. The terms of
friendship are totally unacceptable to some of us, at least it is to me. I
do not want to be friends with an organization that will not permit me to
express my own opinions on rgg without fear of retribution. I do not want
to be a friend of an organization that monitors website content and
threatens retribution if it is not right. I do not care to be friends with
individuals who take actions and them blame those actions on others.
Malf, the flame wars will stop on rgg when the IGS supporters and IGS
itself choose make them stop. When the supporters of IGS stop trying to
make everything "just" as defined by their own narrow interests, it will
stop. When they stop doling out punishments against actions taken offline,
the flames will stop.
Get over the NNGS stuff. Get over the fact that some people can play go and
have opnions which do not line up with the interests of IGS. Get over what
others write on their webpages, if they are not to the liking of the IGS
supporters.
Lastly, IGS could distance themselves from certain posters who do a very
poor job of representing IGS here on rgg. Although, after watching tweet
represent the interests of IGS in person, I can see why he relies on others,
even if they are posters such as yourself and jb.
I do wish you well in all your personal endeavors,
Brent Locher
"Michael Alford" <ma...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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>
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"Brent Locher" <brl...@core.com> wrote:
> IGS supporters calls NNGS creators thieves. seek to deligitimize
> NNGS and its users.
So NNGS removed the IGS copyright file "protocol.h" and
toned down their slanderous attacks on IGS, as part and parcel of
that (unwarranted) "recruitment effort" to obtain players for NNGS.
> IGS bans the creator of NNGS
Technically speaking, this was the doing of INET's lawyers.
> IGS supporters demands that the BGA change the content of its website
Which they did, and the cause was justifiable.
> IGS blocks out cornel burzo (according to rgg archives)
Who was later re-instated, once misunderstandings were ironed out.
> IGS blocks out Bill Saltman (according to rgg archives)
Who was later re-instated, once misunderstandings were ironed out.
> IGS blocks out Eric Osman (according to rgg archives)
Who was later re-instated, once misunderstandings were ironed out.
> IGS blocks out Patrick Bridges (according to rgg archives)
Who was later re-instated, once misunderstandings were ironed out.
> IGS punishes a large portion of the teaching community (channel 42)
> on IGS when they suggest going to a different server because of a bad
> net day for IGS (according to rgg archives)
Which was a clear violation of the July 1995 policy agreement.
Simple email sent to users of channel 42 (or whatever) would suffice.
> IGS takes down its art web pages and blames it on hostility contained
> on rgg.
And substituted Art Web Pages more -suitable- to the hostility.
> IGS supporters on rgg call a 26 kyu with questions about a help file a
> "moron"
Though appropriately put. He is now a 17 kyu, reinstated to IGS.
Amazing what a "Zen Baseball Bat" can do, for jumping 9 stones at Go!
Player: MarkGaleck
Game: go (1)
Language: default
Rating: 17k 0
Rated Games: 0
Rank: 17k 12
Wins: 0
Losses: 0
Last Access(GMT): (Not on) Thu Jul 31 00:01:30 2003
Last Access(local): (Not on) Thu Jul 31 09:01:30 2003
Address: mgal...@sbs.com
Reg date: Thu Jul 31 08:08:51 2003
Info: <None>
> IGS blocks Rich Brown (according to rgg archives)
Though I had incorrectly stated that Tweet did this, in point of
fact the actual story concerns Korean Admins who blocked Rich Brown
once it was discovered that he was arguing with the ManyFaces robot,
and using language inappropriate for other impressionable children.
> IGS places stories on its website that name specific individuals in very
> unfavorable light. These stories are takes directly from flame wars on RGG.
Both sides had been represented, as you can see. And now the
IGS Art Web Pages represent only those who wished to cause flames.
> ... I do not want to be a friend of an organization that monitors website
> content and threatens retribution if it is not right.
Then what are you doing when "contributing" to this newsgroup?
> I do not care to be friends with individuals who take actions and them
> blame those actions on others.
It would be simpler if there were no behavior at all, wouldn't it?
> ... the flame wars will stop on rgg when the IGS supporters and IGS
> itself choose make them stop.
Which was a (very little) flame all by itself. Pathetic matches.
> When the supporters of IGS stop trying to make everything "just" as
> defined by their own narrow interests, it will stop. When they stop doling
> out punishments against actions taken offline, the flames will stop.
The July 1995 policy letter specified circumstances for "actions
taken offline" (such as being an NNGS admin or NNGS developer).
Why not take up your policy question with NKB/PandaNet of Japan,
the promulgator? IGS is just software code, not a policy institution.
> Get over the NNGS stuff. Get over the fact that some people can play
> go and have opnions which do not line up with the interests of IGS.
> Get over what others write on their webpages, if they are not to the liking
> of the IGS supporters.
I stated earlier that public domain copyright extended for seven
years. When I do the math, 1995+7=2002. Why do -you- continue?
> Lastly, IGS could distance themselves from certain posters who do
> a very poor job of representing IGS here on rgg. Although, after
> watching tweet represent the interests of IGS in person, I can see why
> he relies on others, even if they are posters such as yourself and jb.
Well, you did a poor job of representing, so there were corrections.
> I do wish you well in all your personal endeavors,
So does Satan, who "never made war" on anybody.
- regards
- jb
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They are draconian because there is a choice. A real choice. Not a choice to
settle, but a choice to go someplace pretty much as good or better.
-frl
Patrick Bridges
> [Patrick Bridges] was later re-instated, once misunderstandings
> were ironed out.
This is in fact news to me - though I knew that cs.arizona.edu was no
longer blocked, I hadn't tried to register an account on IGS (and
hadn't brought it up here since I didn't want to start or help
contribute to any flame wars.) Anyway, a registration email just
arrived in my mailbox and I seem to have logged in successfully, so
thanks to the IGS admins for reinstating me. Much appreciated. :)
-Patrick
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Patrick G. Bridges bri...@cs.unm.edu GPG ID = CB074C71
GPG fingerprint = FEEA ECFF 1E23 148C 2804 FDD9 DB63 6993 CB07 4C71
"Anyone that can't make money on Sports Night should get out of the
money-making business" - Calvin, on the last episode of Sports Night
Tweedie
>jazze...@coolmail.com (-) writes:
>> [Patrick Bridges] was later re-instated, once misunderstandings
>> were ironed out.
>This is in fact news to me - though I knew that cs.arizona.edu was no
>longer blocked, I hadn't tried to register an account on IGS (and
This means Bridges stays current with jb in rec.games.go?
>hadn't brought it up here since I didn't want to start or help
>contribute to any flame wars.) Anyway, a registration email just
>arrived in my mailbox and I seem to have logged in successfully, so
:-(
>thanks to the IGS admins for reinstating me. Much appreciated. :)
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Jeff Nowakowski
> pursued this to its current state, or that they do not yet realize
> the enormity of what they've done.
By which you absolve yourself and other IGS'ers of any responsibility?
> Michael Alford
> aka malf
> aka the IGS shill
Sycophant/cheerleader are more accurate.
-Jeff
Patrick Bridges
> Patrick Bridges <bri...@cs.unm.edu> writes:
>
> This means Bridges stays current with jb in rec.games.go?
"Stays current" is perhaps too strong, but I do occasionally read what
jb has to say.
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>> "Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>> ... I hate to admit it, but even though their policies are totally fair
>>> and in the open, they are draconian now. Even years ago as
>>> a newbie I was fooled into saying NNGS, and I was banned with
>>> no explanation. I apologized and was given back my account.
> "-" <jazze...@coolmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, that was then, and it worked out for you. What happens
>> now, that -compels- you to state "they are draconian now" ???
>> IGS policies w/r/t free accounts have not changed since July 1995.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> They are draconian because there is a choice. A real choice. Not a choice
> to settle, but a choice to go someplace pretty much as good or better.
You have a choice, draconian or not draconian. But you have
not linked draconianism with the feature of having a choice. So you
are not explaining how you can allege draconian policies -now- (as
being anything different since July 1995). I pursue these inquiries, by
the way, because I am riding herd on Tweet's actions. And yet, to date,
over the many years, I have not obtained any documented violation of
jurisprudential principles, carried out fairly, with high-minded justice.
This, too, despite my ceaseless efforts to solicit -ALL- of the facts.
- regards
- jb
justafriend
Unfortunately, the people (or person -- only one comes to mind off the
top of my head) who are in large part responsible for the degeneration
of rec.games.go are unlikely to be moved by your letter.
Thank you for the thoughtful post though.
Many of us are praying for one more farewell letter in the near
future.
ma...@spiritone.com (Michael Alford) wrote in message news:<bgggk...@enews1.newsguy.com>...
hs
> Malf, the flame wars will stop on rgg when the IGS supporters and IGS
> itself choose make them stop. When the supporters of IGS stop trying to
> make everything "just" as defined by their own narrow interests, it will
> stop. When they stop doling out punishments against actions taken offline,
> the flames will stop.
I am not taking sides in this case, but I am just thinking: for a flame war,
there are at least two persons needed. One to start, and another one to answer.
And saying that the other one has to stop first is usually not stopping
anything.
--
Hans Straub
Brent Locher
downhill. I feel that my response was that I will not let the IGS
supporters keep coming here over and over and over and call people thieves
and not give a response. I am not complaining that the newsgroup has gone
down hill. I am explaining why I continue to challenge the IGS supporters
in their accusations.
I will state this again......
Both sides keep the war going with their words.
Only one side keeps the war going with their actions.
When you keep you eye on the ball (the ball is punitive and intimidating
actions) you will see that the actions scream out that only one side is
participating in this fued. When the punitive actions stop, the flame war
will stop.
I do not fret over the newsgroup going downhill. I find a large amount of
entertainment in this. tweet and his band of rgg supporters are the
funniest thing I can think of, really. They are silly, petty, pouty ,
punitive and they take themselves very very serious. This is a great
combination to find amusement in.
I cannot understand how someone like malf can come in here and flame and
flame and flame, and then complain that the group has gone down hill.
"hs" <h...@kaba.com> wrote in message news:3F30E91C...@kaba.com...
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"Brent Locher" <brl...@core.com> wrote:
> Malf is the one who posted the thread and ranted about the
> newsgroup going downhill. I feel that my response was that I
> will not let the IGS supporters keep coming here over and over
> and over and call people thieves and not give a response.
> I am not complaining that the newsgroup has gone down hill.
> I am explaining why I continue to challenge the IGS supporters
> in their accusations.
With a bit of "levering" perhaps downhill could be uphill,
and vice-versa.
> I will state this again......
Which neither adds nor subtracts to its truth or falsity......
> Both sides keep the war going with their words.
>
> Only one side keeps the war going with their actions.
There are actions and words on all "sides".
> When you keep you eye on the ball (the ball is punitive and
> intimidating actions) you will see that the actions scream out
> that only one side is participating in this fued. When the punitive
> actions stop, the flame war will stop.
Blaming crime on the police and legislators, again?
> I do not fret over the newsgroup going downhill. I find a large
> amount of entertainment in this. tweet and his band of rgg
> supporters are the funniest thing I can think of, really. They
> are silly, petty, pouty , punitive and they take themselves very
> very serious. This is a great combination to find amusement in.
Evidently you're missing the point, and are misreading the texts.
> I cannot understand how someone like malf can come in here and flame
> and flame and flame, and then complain that the group has gone down hill.
I cannot understand how one might suggest that a single individual
could make a group go uphill or downhill. Obviously, if there's anything
worth discussing then it's a simple matter to make a posting of it, etc.
- regards
- jb
Brent Locher
I can always count on you.
I found your use of the word "levering" to be very interesting. Did you
know there is a city in Michigan called Levering? Other cities in Michigan
that I like include kalkaska, alpena, grayling, houghton, and (st.) ignace.
I am going to be taking my family to grayling for a rafting trip on the
Rifle River in about 8 days. Wish me luck!
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Fu, Ren-Li
> and vice-versa.
Are you pretending to be a minor satan here?
-frl
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>> With a bit of "levering" perhaps downhill could be uphill,
>> and vice-versa.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Are you pretending to be a minor satan here?
Why? Does minor satan know any "kungfu" ?
- regards
- jb
Big Duck
Good to see you today.
If Fu Ren-Li has an account named kungfu, I would block it right out. There
was a TV program named kungfu and that would be copyright infringement.
Block him out I say, block him!
Go has too many participants. Weed out the ingrates! BLOCK HIM!!!!
You best friend forever,
Big Duck
ps i hate slow turtle
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"Big Duck" <hit...@itsallmine.com> wrote:
> If Fu Ren-Li has an account named kungfu, I would block it right out. There
> was a TV program named kungfu and that would be copyright infringement.
> Block him out I say, block him!
Why shouldn't the TV Program be violating copyrights of Shao-Lin
Temple Monks? Instead, the account "kungfu" (which may or may not
correspond to the Fu, Ren-Li" under discussion) was the topic of many
complaints, concerning a behavior during the counting stage. "Kungfu"
would try to `win' by removing opponent live-groups, then `undo' would
be tried and "kungful" would attempt to remove the opponent live-groups
again. Many letters of support to IGS have also asked that "kungful" be
banned. If this were at KGS or NNGS, what would their admins do ???
This seems to be a serious problem on the part of "kungfu." I do
not recall that any Shao-Lin Temple Monks ever behaved that way.
Let "kungfu" be hanging by a slender thread. Add some more weight.
- regards
- jb
mullens
If Kungfu were to do this, then sooner or later, other players would shun him and
after a while he would join another server or quit.
It would seem that your server has many very sensitive souls.
Why reward attention seeking behaviour by banning ?
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> "-" wrote:
>> ... the account "kungfu" (which may or may not
>> correspond to the "Fu, Ren-Li" under discussion) was the topic of many
>> complaints, concerning a behavior during the counting stage. "Kungfu"
>> would try to `win' by removing opponent live-groups, then `undo' would
>> again. Many letters of support to IGS have also asked that "kungfu" be
>> banned. If this were at KGS or NNGS, what would their admins do ???
>>
>> This seems to be a serious problem on the part of "kungfu." I do
>> not recall that any Shao-Lin Temple Monks ever behaved that way.
>> Let "kungfu" be hanging by a slender thread. Add some more weight.
mullens <mul...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> If Kungfu were to do this, then sooner or later, other players would
> shun him and after a while he would join another server or quit.
That is possible, though such possibilities do not preclude other
possibilities. Complicating this feature are Japan's paying accounts,
(though pre-wireless telephone costs can run much more than the
nominal assessments to PandaNet that support pros, the pro-match
broadcasts, account services, and even stipends to the Nihon Ki-In).
There is a reasonable expectation of courtesy, and so standards at
IGS are presumptively "higher" than at other servers. In turn, these
aspects of "higher" standards also tend to promote more recruitment.
> It would seem that your server has many very sensitive souls.
> Why reward attention seeking behaviour by banning ?
Alternatively, the "attention seeking behavior" needs to be exposed
for what it is, otherwise an "attention seeking behavior" would persist.
- regards
- jb
mullens
- wrote:
>
> > "-" wrote:
> >> ... the account "kungfu" (which may or may not
> >> correspond to the "Fu, Ren-Li" under discussion) was the topic of many
> >> complaints, concerning a behavior during the counting stage. "Kungfu"
> >> would try to `win' by removing opponent live-groups, then `undo' would
> >> be tried and "kungfu" would attempt to remove the opponent live-groups
> >> again. Many letters of support to IGS have also asked that "kungfu" be
> >> banned. If this were at KGS or NNGS, what would their admins do ???
> >>
> >> This seems to be a serious problem on the part of "kungfu." I do
> >> not recall that any Shao-Lin Temple Monks ever behaved that way.
> >> Let "kungfu" be hanging by a slender thread. Add some more weight.
>
> mullens <mul...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > If Kungfu were to do this, then sooner or later, other players would
> > shun him and after a while he would join another server or quit.
>
> That is possible, though such possibilities do not preclude other
> possibilities. Complicating this feature are Japan's paying accounts,
> (though pre-wireless telephone costs can run much more than the
> nominal assessments to PandaNet that support pros, the pro-match
> broadcasts, account services, and even stipends to the Nihon Ki-In).
> There is a reasonable expectation of courtesy, and so standards at
> IGS are presumptively "higher" than at other servers. In turn, these
> aspects of "higher" standards also tend to promote more recruitment.
>
fair point !
Fu, Ren-Li
Well, you dodge issues by twisting words (i.e. "downhill *could* be
uphill").
Maybe if you try making a bit of sense - you know, an honest effort - then
you wouldn't sound like the devil.
-frl
Fu, Ren-Li
I have won my last 10 games, I think. I don't really play there but if I did
I could probably be 1k-1d. Dunno.
Anyways, no, I don't think you know any kung fu jb. :)
If I went back in time and took all the time I spent on kung fu and spent it
on go, I would be a professional now.
-frl
"Big Duck" <hit...@itsallmine.com> wrote in message
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Fu, Ren-Li
>
> "Big Duck" <hit...@itsallmine.com> wrote:
> > If Fu Ren-Li has an account named kungfu, I would block it right out.
There
> > was a TV program named kungfu and that would be copyright infringement.
> > Block him out I say, block him!
>
>
> Why shouldn't the TV Program be violating copyrights of Shao-Lin
> Temple Monks? Instead, the account "kungfu" (which may or may not
> correspond to the Fu, Ren-Li" under discussion)
I assure you, I am kungfu - 4k* pro :)
> was the topic of many
> complaints, concerning a behavior during the counting stage.
"Kungfu"
> would try to `win' by removing opponent live-groups, then `undo'
would
> be tried and "kungful" would attempt to remove the opponent
live-groups
> again. Many letters of support to IGS have also asked that "kungful"
be
> banned. If this were at KGS or NNGS, what would their admins do ???
Ahahahaha. This is *me* you're talking about right? Wanny's husband? :)
Actually, the account kungfu has a long and noble history on IGS.
I played more than 2,000 games on IGS.
> This seems to be a serious problem on the part of "kungfu." I
do
> not recall that any Shao-Lin Temple Monks ever behaved that way.
> Let "kungfu" be hanging by a slender thread. Add some more weight.
Shaolin? Who said anything about those guys? Snork. Shaolin. heh.
Someone once told me not to feed you, jb. But you just assume so much.. am I
feeding you.. or am I really taking the food out of your mouth? Time will
tell, jb. Yes, time will tell.
-frl
Fu, Ren-Li
> Alternatively, the "attention seeking behavior" needs to be
exposed
> for what it is, otherwise an "attention seeking behavior" would
persist.
Yes, and that is why I am calling you on your word-twisting, etc.
And yet, I have been here for a very long time (not as long as you, but
yet..) so I know..
..I kind of know you're never going to shut up. Hehehe.
-frl
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"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> ... why I am calling you on your word-twisting, etc.
Why the introductory phrase was "with a bit of `levering' perhaps ..."
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> I am kungfu 4k* IGS.
# stats kungfu
Cannot find player.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> I assure you, I am kungfu - 4k* pro :)
# stats kungfu
Cannot find player.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Actually, the account kungfu has a long and noble history on IGS.
# stats kungfu
Cannot find player.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> I played more than 2,000 games on IGS.
# stats kungfu
Cannot find player.
- regards
- jb
Fu, Ren-Li
>
>
> # stats kungfu
> Cannot find player.
Must have been deleted. I was there 2 months ago.
I guess people really do get deleted because they admit to being on other
servers.
because they admit to having a choice.
> "Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> > I played more than 2,000 games on IGS.
>
>
> # stats kungfu
> Cannot find player.
#stats jb
Warning, system crash, too dense to process.
> - regards
> - jb
snix
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> "-" <jazze...@coolmail.com> wrote:
>> # stats kungfu
>> Cannot find player.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Must have been deleted. I was there 2 months ago.
That's correct. Accounts are deleted when they expire in
about 30 days or so. Two months ago is -greater- than 30 days.
All of this was documented by the documentary documentation.
> I guess people really do get deleted because they admit
> to being on other servers.
This statement contradicted your earlier conclusion. Your
account had -not- been tampered. It simply expired because
you did not pay it enough -frequent- visits. You were too busy
looking for wrong answers, so you did not find the correct one.
Your post -occurred- at 9:19 pm, according to my newsreader.
However, "Tweet" was already -anticipating- your remark in
private email at 7:18 pm, which makes you rather predictable.
> ... because they admit to having a choice.
You seem to labor under a misimpression that choice is not inalienable.
- regards
- jb
Fu, Ren-Li
one jb? :)
-frl
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"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Accounts expire after *30 days* of inactivity om IGS?
> You sure about that one jb? :)
Could be 60. You seem to have done the math yourself.
> "-" <jazze...@coolmail.com> wrote:
>> You seem to labor under a misimpression that choice is no inalienable.
"Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> (which has nothing to do with my being kungfu: see senseis.xmp.net/?kungfu)
Which is not an IGS webpage.
> Cripes, j- if you're going to harp on something, at least get it right. I
> *am* kungfu.
Wouldn't be too proud of that. "Kungfu" was caught cheating.
> Anyways, 'a misimpression that choice is not inalienable', doesen't that
> just mean that you think it's not correct to say that freedom is inherrent?
No.
> I.E. aren't you saying it may be desirable or beneficial in some way to give
> up yor freedom? Heh. You're starting to sound like Big Duck, jb. Watch out
Can be desirable to acknowledge that one is unaware of one's best
interests. I can assure you: "Big Duck" does not provide me calipers.
> Example: You can make the choice to believe me or not, and that choice is
> inalienable as soon as you make it (not "not inaliable").
You dug yourself into some mosh pit. Now stew in your swill, cheater.
- regards
- jb
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>> "Fu, Ren-Li" <fr...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>> Must have been deleted. I was there 2 months ago.
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