GoIntellect for PC's
Sidney Yuan
I forgot to mention that the PC version of
GoIntellect is for Windows 95 / Windows NT
Judy Wong
Acting President
David Ash
Judy Yuan wrote:
> GoIntellect for PC's is now available from Yutopian Enterprises.
> Now, you can own this amazing program in either Mac or PC format. :)
>
> The following paragraph was written by the author of the program,
>
> GoIntellect actually had the best record at the FOST Cup in Japan
> with 8-1 (tied with HandTalk, but GoIntellect had better tie breaking
> points) and should have been declared the first place winner. A very
> unfair ruling changed a big win (GoIntellect was ahead by 270 points)
> to losing on time (actually, GoIntellect used only half of the one
> hour time limit, the other half was eaten by the organizer's terminal
> which couldn't take the mouse input!) to put GI tied for second (and
> 4th with tie breaking score).
Can anyone else involved (David Fotland, perhaps) comment on this? Was
there an operations problem that could have contributed to an unfair
loss-on-time for GoIntellect?
> GoIntellect was second at the ING Cup
> in Guangzhou, China.
Second to HandTalk, right? How close was this one? Anyone else have
experience with both of these programs who would care to comment on
their comparative strengths?
> Yutopian Enterprises
> 12422 Sanford Street
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
> 1-800-YUTOGO-9
>
> http://www.webwind.com
The above URL returned an error from my browser. I believe the correct
one is http://www.best.com/~webwind/go/
I find no reference in the Web catalog to a Windows version of
GoIntellect. Is the price the same as that listed for the Mac version
($60.18 + $1.50 shipping)?
David Ash
http://www.cris.com/~Scooob/
Rolf Bach
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:46:28 -0800, David Ash <Sco...@cris.com> wrote:
>> I forgot to mention that the PC version of
>> GoIntellect is for Windows 95 / Windows NT
>>
>> Judy Wong
>> Acting President
>
>I find no reference in the Web catalog to a Windows version of
>GoIntellect. Is the price the same as that listed for the Mac version
>($60.18 + $1.50 shipping)?
>
I'd like to know too, as I searched at your homepage without any
results.
Rolf
Sidney Yuan
The PC version of Go Intellect is so new that we didn't
get a chance to include it on our web page.
The software is $59.00 (plus $1.50 shipping within US).
Thank you.
Judy Wong
Acting President
Yutopian Enterprises
2255 29th Street
Suite 3
Santa Monica, CA 90405
USA
1-800-yutogo-3
Dave Fotland
David Ash (Sco...@cris.com) wrote:
: Judy Yuan wrote:
: > GoIntellect actually had the best record at the FOST Cup in Japan
: > with 8-1 (tied with HandTalk, but GoIntellect had better tie breaking
: > points) and should have been declared the first place winner. A very
: > unfair ruling changed a big win (GoIntellect was ahead by 270 points)
: > to losing on time (actually, GoIntellect used only half of the one
: > hour time limit, the other half was eaten by the organizer's terminal
: > which couldn't take the mouse input!) to put GI tied for second (and
: > 4th with tie breaking score).
The FOST organizers strongly recommended that programs implement to
go modem protocol so they could easily communicate, and they said that
programs that didn't would have a time penalty. Ken chose not to
implement the protocol. In the first round, Go Intellect was paired
against a weak program and had an easy win. But since he didn't have the
modem protocol, they set up a second computer next to his, that had the
protocol, and had his moves entered into the second computer for
communication to his opponent. This second computer did not have a mouse,
so moves had to be entered with the arrow keys. Time spent entering the
moves counted against Go Intellect, since the clock was kept by the
communication program. Ken didn't test with this 2nd computer, so he
didn't realize how long it would take to enter the moves, and his program
went over the time limit.
So, yes, you could say it was unfair for Go Intellect to lose on time in
the first round, but you could also say that Ken was warned ahead of time
that he should implement the protocol, and that he could have tested with
the comm computer to set his time limit properly. In any case, the
tournament director ruled that the loss should stand, and the rules say
that his decision is final.
Go Intellect's second loss was to Handtalk. I don't think it is reasonable
to talk about tie breaking points, since if Go Intellect had won the
first round, it would have played different opponents (since the pairings
depend on the results of the previous rounds). So the tie breakers
would have been completely different, and Handtalk did beat Go Intellect
at FOST.
Ken added the go modem code to his program between the first and second round,
so it was not difficult.
: Can anyone else involved (David Fotland, perhaps) comment on this? Was
: there an operations problem that could have contributed to an unfair
: loss-on-time for GoIntellect?
: > GoIntellect was second at the ING Cup
: > in Guangzhou, China.
: Second to HandTalk, right? How close was this one? Anyone else have
: experience with both of these programs who would care to comment on
: their comparative strengths?
Yes, second to Handtalk. Handtalk won all games, and Go Intellect only lost
to Handtalk. The score in this game was not close since Handtalk caught a
big group. But you can't tell much from just one game. Go Intellect beat
all the other programs in both FOST and ING, so it is almost as strong
as Handtalk. I haven't played very many games against Go Intellect, but
it seems more agressive than Handtalk. I think their strength is very
close.
Soon Martin will put all of the Ing games on the web, so you can look at
how they played each game and judge their strength for yourself.
--
David Fotland fot...@cup.hp.com