printable go boards, 9x9 13x13 19x19
mic...@gmail.com
boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
All of these are PostScript files, you need a PostScript viewer/
interpreter/printer to do something useful with them.
The 9x9 board fits on a single A4 page.
The 13x13 board is printed as two identical parts that have to be
assembled.
The 19x19 board is printed as six identical parts that have to be
assembled.
(for assembling think scissors/tearing and sticky tape).
You can think of these as the ultimate in goban thinnes rather than
thickness,
assuming your printer accepts standard paper rather than thick wooden
boards.
Easy to carry, easy to copy should demand increase.
Find them at
best,
Stijn
Planar
mic...@gmail.com wrote:
> For what it is worth, I've created 13x13 and 19x19 printable go
> boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
In the same vein, I made some nice game-recording sheets (kifu)
in postscript and PDF, available at
< http://gallium.inria.fr/~doligez/go >
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Harry Fearnley
Can you also create 13x13 to print as a single image on A3 paper,
and 19x19 to print on A2?
It is now easier/cheaper to find printers up to size A0,
or simply go to a printshop with a PS (perhaps better a PDF)
file on a USB stick, ... :-)
Harry
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mic...@gmail.com
wrote:
> > For what it is worth, I've created 13x13 and 19x19 printable go
> > boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
> and 19x19 to print on A2?
>
> It is now easier/cheaper to find printers up to size A0,
> or simply go to a printshop with a PS (perhaps better a PDF)
> file on a USB stick, ... :-)
Should be easy yes, although likely involving the somewhat arcane
syntax
to address the output device dimensions.
I'll create such files in a little while, including PDF.
Other people have made some suggestions
to improve display quality that I will also incorporate.
Stijn
BIG Fan of North Korea
>> For what it is worth, I've created 13x13 and 19x19 printable go
>> boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
>>
>> All of these are PostScript files, you need a PostScript viewer/
>> interpreter/printer to do something useful with them.
>>
>> The 9x9 board fits on a single A4 page.
>> The 13x13 board is printed as two identical parts that have to be
>> assembled.
>> The 19x19 board is printed as six identical parts that have to be
>> assembled.
>> (for assembling think scissors/tearing and sticky tape).
>>
>> You can think of these as the ultimate in goban thinnes rather than
>> thickness,
>> assuming your printer accepts standard paper rather than thick wooden
>> boards.
>> Easy to carry, easy to copy should demand increase.
>> Find them at
>>
>> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/
>
> Can you also create 13x13 to print as a single image on A3 paper,
> and 19x19 to print on A2?
I can upload for you a printable grid on A3 or A2. Just tell me the diameter of
your go-stone be playing on it.
Harry Fearnley
Thank you -- I look forward to that.
Some trivial observation -- precise (Japanese and Chinese) sizes
================================================================
It seems that your lines are spaced at 22 mm and 24 mm respectively.
This looks good to me, and is close to "ideal" Japanese dimensions.
I normally use Japanese stones.
Maybe there is a case for alternatively/additionally offering
Chinese-style boards?
Japanese stones will fit on a Chinese board ...
The page on Sensei's Library
(http://senseis.xmp.net/?BoardDimensions) suggests that (for
Japanese stones) the separations should be 22.0 and 23.7 mm --
true, a difference (from yours) of only 5.4 mm over a whole board!
Later, talking about Chinese boards, the same pages says:
"The grid itself is 420mm wide by 436mm long (cells are
23.33mm by 24.22mm)
These are designed for Chinese-style stones (flat on one side,
23mm diameter), ... "
We can therefore see why I have found that Chinese stones (approx
23 mm diameter) are generally too big for Japanese boards (approx
22 mm on short side)! :-(
It is worth noting that the ratio of the grid separations for
the Chinese board described above is only 1.0381, compared with
the more pronounced 1.07/1.08 found below for Japanese-style
boards.
A discussion on r.g.g in 1994 from Robert Seymour
(http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/msg/e22ad612db74ff37)
says that (for ING tournaments) the separation dimensions should
be 22.1 mm x 23.6 mm
A r.g.g. message from Charles Rich
(http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.go/msg/d4f3cf3774a014d5)
in 2002 shows some observed variability:
<START INCLUSION>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Goban source Hborder Vborder H grid V grid Ratio
--------------------------- ------- ------- ------ ------ ------
Seattle Go Center, board #1 0.90 1.20 39.50 42.95 1.0873
Seattle Go Center, board #2 1.55 1.55 38.54 42.12 1.0930
Seattle Go Center, board #3 1.25 1.50 39.50 42.55 1.0772
Yutopian spruce board (Korean) 1.75 1.90 39.33 42.00 1.0679
Nihon Kiin (ideal spec) 1.12 1.20 40.19 43.06 1.0714
Roy Schmidt (rec.games.go) 1.35 1.35 39.72 42.75 1.0763
Lasker (27/32" x 29/32" cell) 38.58 41.43 1.0741
Sensei's Library 1.38 1.38 39.60 42.66 1.0773
(22mm x 23.7mm cell)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Average ratio: 1.0781
Average (after casting out the two outliers): 1.0773
---------------------------------------------------------------------
<END INCLUSION>
Here the "H grid" and "V grid" are the measurements in cms over a
whole 19x19 board -- to get the separation (of the centres) of
the lines, divide these numbers by 18.
Harry Fearnley
Harry Fearnley
>>> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/
>> Can you also create 13x13 to print as a single image on A3 paper,
>> and 19x19 to print on A2?
>
> I can upload for you a printable grid on A3 or A2. Just tell me the diameter of
> your go-stone be playing on it.
Thank you -- please see my recent posting in reply to Stijn.
Harry Fearnley
BIG Fan of North Korea
>>>> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/
>>> Can you also create 13x13 to print as a single image on A3 paper,
>>> and 19x19 to print on A2?
>>
>> I can upload for you a printable grid on A3 or A2. Just tell me the diameter
>> of your go-stone be playing on it.
>
> Thank you -- please see my recent posting in reply to Stijn.
I've uploaded the full-page grid size for Japanese 22mm stones.
http://ultrashare.net/hosting/fl/7ad84f3666
http://ultrashare.net/hosting/fl/eee5f334e3
The first link is for 19x19 and 13x13 on second. The download links will be
deleted after 12 hours from now.
Harry Fearnley
Stijn
> For what it is worth, I've created 13x13 and 19x19 printable go
> boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
It would be a welcome bonus if these diagrams also had
"crop marks" -- a sort of hair-line cross showing where
the paper should be cut.
Harry Fearnley
Harry Sigerson
<hfn...@REMOVEgoban.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It is now easier/cheaper to find printers up to size A0,
> or simply go to a printshop with a PS (perhaps better a PDF)
> file on a USB stick, ... :-)
>
This is true and you can have the printing done not on paper but
on durable plastic sheet. This is the material on which you have to
put drawings submitted with Building Warrant Applications -- one
paper and one durable copy of each. The durable becomes the public
record copy.
Harry.
Harry Sigerson
> Should be easy yes, although likely involving the somewhat arcane
> syntax
> to address the output device dimensions.
>
Done on AutoCAD, that might not be a problem; it would be a
'drawing' of lines and coordinate labels. Many of the bigger
Consulting Engineering firms and Architectural Practices are having
their print loads done by such high street shops.
Of course you have to have AutoCAD.
Harry.
Harry Sigerson
<hfn...@ZZZgoban.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> The page on Sensei's Library
> (http://senseis.xmp.net/?BoardDimensions) suggests that (for
> Japanese stones) the separations should be 22.0 and 23.7 mm --
> true, a difference (from yours) of only 5.4 mm over a whole board!
>
I suppose somewhere there will be given the angle of view that
generates the necessary increase in the spacing of the cross-lines
that properly compensates for particular diameter of stone.
Take what would be a reasonable minimum clearance - sideways -
between any handleable stone size, add the stone diameter to get the
line-spacing for the lettered coordinates.
Draw the numbered lines coordinates at that viewing-angle-
induced wider spacing.
Add the alphanumeric coordinates.
Relate the whole drawing to the diameter of any reasonable size
of stone.
Then using AutoCAD's 'Scale' command make a .dwg file that is
specific to that stone size; save it to a USB memory stick and have
it printed.
Harry.
mic...@gmail.com
wrote:
thanks for the pointers in your other replies, I'll likely incorporate
these.
What is the usual margin size? One grid unit?
Stijn
Harry Fearnley
Stijn
> thanks for the pointers in your other replies, I'll likely incorporate
> these.
> What is the usual margin size? One grid unit?
Nihon Kiin seem to suggest 1/2 one grid unit -- therefore
different in each direction.
Personally, slightly more than this seems better. It appears
(in the table below) that most other people agree.
In an earlier post I quoted another source, as saying:
<START INCLUSION>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Goban source Hborder Vborder H grid V grid Ratio
--------------------------- ------- ------- ------ ------ ------
Seattle Go Center, board #1 0.90 1.20 39.50 42.95 1.0873
Seattle Go Center, board #2 1.55 1.55 38.54 42.12 1.0930
Seattle Go Center, board #3 1.25 1.50 39.50 42.55 1.0772
Yutopian spruce board (Korean) 1.75 1.90 39.33 42.00 1.0679
Nihon Kiin (ideal spec) 1.12 1.20 40.19 43.06 1.0714
Roy Schmidt (rec.games.go) 1.35 1.35 39.72 42.75 1.0763
Lasker (27/32" x 29/32" cell) 38.58 41.43 1.0741
Sensei's Library 1.38 1.38 39.60 42.66 1.0773
(22mm x 23.7mm cell)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Average ratio: 1.0781
Average (after casting out the two outliers): 1.0773
---------------------------------------------------------------------
<END INCLUSION>
--
Harry Fearnley
BIG Fan of North Korea
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:28:04 +0100, Harry Fearnley
> <hfn...@ZZZgoban.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The page on Sensei's Library
>> (http://senseis.xmp.net/?BoardDimensions) suggests that (for
>> Japanese stones) the separations should be 22.0 and 23.7 mm --
>> true, a difference (from yours) of only 5.4 mm over a whole board!
>>
> I suppose somewhere there will be given the angle of view that
> generates the necessary increase in the spacing of the cross-lines
> that properly compensates for particular diameter of stone.
> Take what would be a reasonable minimum clearance - sideways -
> between any handleable stone size, add the stone diameter to get the
> line-spacing for the lettered coordinates.
> Draw the numbered lines coordinates at that viewing-angle-
> induced wider spacing.
> Add the alphanumeric coordinates.
I've been learning go for few months now and already I know the coordinate for
each point on 19x19 or 13x13 by-heart unaided by the side references, i.e.
alphanumeric coordinates as used by sgf. The hoshi points helped me a lot of
course in reciting them...and I feel like the ancient mariners navigating by the
stars without any use of maps or compass when I'm recording the plays. Cool, eh?
...I think only the 'stupid & smelly' losers play with these handicap on the go
board.
> Relate the whole drawing to the diameter of any reasonable size
> of stone.
> Then using AutoCAD's 'Scale' command make a .dwg file that is
> specific to that stone size;
Or, you can have it done by the macro instructions by just entering the playing
stone size and presso... LOL
mic...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Stijn
>
> > thanks for the pointers in your other replies, I'll likely incorporate
> > these.
> > What is the usual margin size? One grid unit?
>
> Nihon Kiin seem to suggest 1/2 one grid unit -- therefore
> different in each direction.
>
> Personally, slightly more than this seems better. It appears
> (in the table below) that most other people agree.
>
> In an earlier post I quoted another source, as saying:
thanks (again).
I've made a first attempt at a 13x13 A3 go board. It does not yet
feature crop marks, I'll do that soon. This first attempt does not
feature coordinates (which I will only do as an option if someone begs
me to -- coordinates are so ugly). It does incorporate a very welcome
suggestion made offline -- basically making sure that the grid looks
good on the output device. It should now look good on screen as well.
There seem to be a couple of ways to specify page sizes in PostScript,
at the moment I use the %%DocumentMedia directive. Perhaps this can be
improved.
The document has a preamble containing all the adjustable parameters.
You can easily change the grid dimensions by tuning these. Example
settings are:
% length in millimeters of the width of one grid unit
/xunit 22.0 def
% length in millimeters of the height of one grid unit
/yunit 23.7 def
specifying a grid unit of 22 x 23.7 millimeters.
Find it at
http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13a3.ps
comments and testing are welcome,
Stijn
mic...@gmail.com
> There seem to be a couple of ways to specify page sizes in PostScript,
> at the moment I use the %%DocumentMedia directive. Perhaps this can be
> improved.
I found that the %%DocumentMedia directive does not address printers.
Apparently a reasonable bet is to include a
%%BeginFeature: *PageSize A3
section, which I have done. Still cannot test it though.
Stijn
Harry Fearnley
> I've made a first attempt at a 13x13 A3 go board. It does not yet
> feature crop marks, I'll do that soon. This first attempt does not
> feature coordinates (which I will only do as an option if someone begs
> me to -- coordinates are so ugly). It does incorporate a very welcome
> suggestion made offline -- basically making sure that the grid looks
> good on the output device. It should now look good on screen as well.
I have no desire for co-ordinate marking. If you implement this,
you may find yourself asked for oriental (Chinese, and Japanese,
but I'm not sure about Korean) style marking as an alternative --
i.e. Chinese character numbering (horizontally?) and Arabic (western)
numerals (horizontally?) -- maybe I've got the orientations wrong!) ;-)
> There seem to be a couple of ways to specify page sizes in PostScript,
> at the moment I use the %%DocumentMedia directive. Perhaps this can be
> improved.
>
> The document has a preamble containing all the adjustable parameters.
> You can easily change the grid dimensions by tuning these. Example
> settings are:
>
> % length in millimeters of the width of one grid unit
> /xunit 22.0 def
> % length in millimeters of the height of one grid unit
> /yunit 23.7 def
>
> specifying a grid unit of 22 x 23.7 millimeters.
Yes -- this is now well-commented, and it is easy to see how to
make changes.
> Find it at
>
> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13a3.ps
>
> comments and testing are welcome,
1) I like it.
2) It works on A3 paper
3) I converted it to PDF (using the shareware "gsview", for
Windows), and that printed identically to the PostScript.
but ...
4) The star/hoshi points are scarcely discernible -- almost the
same diameter as the line-width. ;-)
I increased this by changing the line
/h { .04 1 0 arc fill} def
to
/h { .08 1 0 arc fill} def
and preferred this. Perhaps parametrize this also?
I have ascertained that it is easy me to get it (with the 13x13)
printed double-sided, and then to laminate it, giving a fairly
robust, dual size (9x9 and 13x13), Go board for beginners at a
cost of less than GBP 1.00 (USD 1.80, EUR 1.50)
Harry Fearnley
Stijn
> Find it at
>
> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13a3.ps
>
> comments and testing are welcome,
This is beginning to get like the children's fable of
"Stone Soup" /"Nail Soup" ... :-)
A paper board is a useful "give-away" to help to promote
Go. How easy would it be to add a Text field which would
be printed on the Board, preferably in some small font,
and on the border?
If easy, one could use this to give club/association contact
details ...
Because anyone can edit a PostScript file with an ordinary
text editor (such as NotePad) they could then simply supply
their own, personalized, advertising ...
mic...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Stijn
>
> > Find it at
>
> >http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13a3.ps
>
> > comments and testing are welcome,
>
> This is beginning to get like the children's fable of
> "Stone Soup" /"Nail Soup" ... :-)
>
> A paper board is a useful "give-away" to help to promote
> Go. How easy would it be to add a Text field which would
> be printed on the Board, preferably in some small font,
> and on the border?
>
> If easy, one could use this to give club/association contact
> details ...
>
> Because anyone can edit a PostScript file with an ordinary
> text editor (such as NotePad) they could then simply supply
> their own, personalized, advertising ...
That is an excellent idea -- I'll implement it.
The handicap spot radius should indeed be parameterized, will do that
as well.
Probably within (half) a day.
best,
Stijn
cedri...@gmail.com
I made some goban in A3 and A4 for my go club (usable for common go
stones) :
http://clubdego.larochelle.googlepages.com/liens2
PDF is easy to print !
Enjoy them !
mic...@gmail.com
> A paper board is a useful "give-away" to help to promote
> Go. How easy would it be to add a Text field which would
> be printed on the Board, preferably in some small font,
> and on the border?
The above link now points to a file that has gained:
- optional and adjustable crop marks
- optional text for both left and right hand side of the board (on
both sides facing the players)
- star point radius specification
any more ideas :-?
Stijn
mic...@gmail.com
> For what it is worth, I've created 13x13 and 19x19 printable go
> boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
Following suggestions by Harry Fearnly and JvdS there are now files
http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13a3.ps
http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13+9a3.ps
http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb9a3.ps
http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb9a4.ps
where most things can be easily user-adjusted. The files are all minor
variations of the same template. The template still needs a little
more comments and explanations.
To give an idea, the file gb13+9a3 contains two back to back centered
go boards, with a small text advertising the Cambridge University Go
club and their website. It is easy to change the text into something
else or remove it altogether.
Stijn
Harry Fearnley
> On Apr 13, 2:39 pm, mic...@gmail.com wrote:
>> For what it is worth, I've created 13x13 and 19x19 printable go
>> boards, new siblings to the longer existing printable 9x9 go board.
>
>> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/
>
> Following suggestions by Harry Fearnly and JvdS there are now files
>
> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13a3.ps
> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb13+9a3.ps
> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb9a3.ps
> http://micans.org/stijn/ps/gb9a4.ps
>
> where most things can be easily user-adjusted. The files are all minor
> variations of the same template. The template still needs a little
> more comments and explanations.
Great -- even the existing comments make it much easier to see
how to customize boards.
> To give an idea, the file gb13+9a3 contains two back to back centered
> go boards, with a small text advertising the Cambridge University Go
> club and their website. It is easy to change the text into something
> else or remove it altogether.
Many thanks -- I hope that you will understand if I replace
"_Cambridge_ University Go Society" with
"_Oxford_ Go Club"! :-)
Harry Fearnley
cedri...@gmail.com
10] def in 13x13 board !
A1 page can be perfect for 19x19 goban...
Good job !
On 17 avr, 14:45, Harry Fearnley <hfn...@REMOVEgoban.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
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Juhapekka Tolvanen
Harry Fearnley <hfn...@REMOVEgoban.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Because anyone can edit a PostScript file with an ordinary text editor
> (such as NotePad) they could then simply supply their own,
> personalized, advertising ...
LaTeX-file might be easier to edit for some people.
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Harry Fearnley
>> Because anyone can edit a PostScript file with an ordinary text editor
>> (such as NotePad) they could then simply supply their own,
>> personalized, advertising ...
>
> LaTeX-file might be easier to edit for some people.
I also like LaTeX (and used to use it quite a lot), but
was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to understand
the PostScript file, and to see how to change it.
Stijn, has added a number of helpful comments to the
PostScript source file, and will probably add some
more soon.
A disadvantage of LaTeX (and TeX) is that the you need
additional software -- a processor to create a device-
independent (DVI) file, and then another one to convert
that to a viewable/printable (PS or PDF, say) file.
mic...@gmail.com
<SNAFU.juht...@iki.fi.FUBAR.invalid> wrote:
> Harry Fearnley <hfn...@REMOVEgoban.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > Because anyone can edit a PostScript file with an ordinary text editor
> > (such as NotePad) they could then simply supply their own,
> > personalized, advertising ...
>
> LaTeX-file might be easier to edit for some people.
There is no real reason why this would be the case except for
familiarity. The current files are really very easy to edit, (La)-TeX
would imply a longer and more complicated pipeline that is probably
available to fewer people, and none of its capabilities is needed.
Better typesetting (kerning) of the optional text would be nice but
the current level is fine for me.
Finally .. the current master template is in fact a perl script. It is
called gb-TEMPLATE and available in http://micans.org/stijn/ps/goboards/
.
All the go-boards in that directory are created by that perl script.
The invocations are available in the file Makefile, also found there.
The generated PS files are still easily customized further.
PDF versions of the files are available as well.
regards,
Stijn