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Tannim

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Sep 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/18/99
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Before you come here, please make sure you can afford an apt or you
will be miserible(and homeless). $60000 here is equal to $25000
anywhere else in the country. The waiting list for apts is so bad,
you must make 3-4 times the rent in salary in order to be even
considered and have AAA credit w/ records of a good 10 year history.
Most apts run from $2000 - $5000 for a studio south of Market. If you
don't believe me , please contact an apt broker for the city to check
this out. I'm only mentioning this because you said you don't know
what it's lilke here and I want you to have a little warning.

Tannim


PS - Don't know any SF shops, but there are some great ones in Berkley
and San Jose.

PPS - It's cheaper to live in the east bay and take BART into the
city.


On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:57:35 GMT, "Ross Coburn" <cob...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Looks to be about a fifty-fifty chance that I'll be moving to San Francisco
>(from Montreal) in the next month or so. Should that happen, I'd be much
>obliged if someone could point me at any nifty stores or gaming enclaves (I
>think my office and/or eventual apartment might be in the South of Market
>area, though I've never been to SF and have no real idea what it's like.
>
>I'll be flying down early next week for an interview, and wouldn't mind
>checking out the terrain in advance if I get the chance.
>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Ross Coburn
>cob...@sympatico.ca


Lizard

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Sep 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/19/99
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cob...@sympatico.ca (Ross Coburn) wrote in
<3sBE3.42450$aX6....@news20.bellglobal.com>:

>Looks to be about a fifty-fifty chance that I'll be moving to San
>Francisco (from Montreal) in the next month or so. Should that happen,
>I'd be much obliged if someone could point me at any nifty stores or
>gaming enclaves (I think my office and/or eventual apartment might be in
>the South of Market area, though I've never been to SF and have no real
>idea what it's like.
>

Gamescape on Divisadero. And I know a gaming group looking for a non-
munchkin, non-powergamer.

SOMA is gentrifying nicely. It's a mix of bums and yuppies now. The yuppies
are winning. Now, if only MY neighborhood would gentrify!

Lizard

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tan...@ix.netcom.com (Tannim) wrote in
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>Before you come here, please make sure you can afford an apt or you
>will be miserible(and homeless). $60000 here is equal to $25000
>anywhere else in the country. The waiting list for apts is so bad,
>you must make 3-4 times the rent in salary in order to be even
>considered and have AAA credit w/ records of a good 10 year history.
>Most apts run from $2000 - $5000 for a studio south of Market. If you
>don't believe me , please contact an apt broker for the city to check
>this out. I'm only mentioning this because you said you don't know
>what it's lilke here and I want you to have a little warning.
>

You exaggerate, but only slightly.

My building has a limit of three times rent in NET pay (pre-tax), and
studios are about 1000.00, so if you earn 36K, you can rent a studio here.
Most studios are in the 800-1200 range, one bedrooms 1200-2000, two
bedrooms 1300+.

On the upside, everything is rent controlled, so once you get in, the rates
can only go up a small amount. Avoid smaller buildings where owner move-in
might be used. (Of course, this is WHY the rents are so high -- no one can
afford to build new housing and no one will ever leave a low-rent
apartment...)

Tannim

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Sep 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/19/99
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He wants to live south of market, where all the multimedia techies and
financial employees live. That's 2000-5000. Most apartments (if you
can find one in a city with 95% occupancy) that are less than 1200 are
in shitty neighborhoods. You can trade safety for rent if you like.
And rent control is the reason apts are so expensive. The owners know
they have to stick it to you now, because they can't raise the rent.

Mark Horning

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Sep 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/19/99
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In article <3sBE3.42450$aX6....@news20.bellglobal.com>,

Ross Coburn <cob...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Looks to be about a fifty-fifty chance that I'll be moving to San Francisco
>(from Montreal) in the next month or so. Should that happen, I'd be much
>obliged if someone could point me at any nifty stores or gaming enclaves (I
>think my office and/or eventual apartment might be in the South of Market
>area, though I've never been to SF and have no real idea what it's like.
>
>I'll be flying down early next week for an interview, and wouldn't mind
>checking out the terrain in advance if I get the chance.
>
It's been a while since I lived in California. The best gaming store I
recall was "Games of Berkley" in Berkley. It's on Shadduck Ave about a
half block from the BART station and Close to "The other Change of Hobbit"
one of the best SF oriented bookstores around.


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Ndege Diamond

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>>I'll be flying down early next week for an interview, and wouldn't mind
>>checking out the terrain in advance if I get the chance.
>>
>It's been a while since I lived in California. The best gaming store I
>recall was "Games of Berkley" in Berkley. It's on Shadduck Ave about a
>half block from the BART station and Close to "The other Change of Hobbit"
>one of the best SF oriented bookstores around.

They moved. Games of Berkley is right across the street from the BART
station now. There is a pretty good store right in SF called Gamescape. It
is on Divisidaro street. I don't know the street number but it is in the SF
phone book.

Ndege Diamond
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Andy Young

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Bryant Durrell <dur...@innocence.com> wrote in message
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> Anyhow, since this has nothing to do with gaming -- Gamescape is
> the only real SF gaming store. It is fairly OK, although not
> excellent. Good used selection, nice staff, don't let Ron's
> blue hair put you off.

Last time I was in the Bay Area, I made it a point to drop in at the
Gamescape on Divisadero and the one in Palo Alto (? It may not have been a
Gamescape, my memory is fading with the growth of my kids...) I was really
disappointed! I was expecting a great big store, stocking everything
currently in print and most of what is OOP. Not so. I'd put Portland, OR's
Bridgetown Hobby against it any day, let alone any of Seattle's better
stores.

I wouldn't fight the SF traffic for a trip to Gamescape again...


Andy
http://www.pacifier.com/~ayoung


John Rudd (yes, that's really my email address)

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Andy Young wrote:
>
> Bryant Durrell <dur...@innocence.com> wrote in message
> news:7s45ck$1p...@news2.newsguy.com...
> > Anyhow, since this has nothing to do with gaming -- Gamescape is
> > the only real SF gaming store. It is fairly OK, although not
> > excellent. Good used selection, nice staff, don't let Ron's
> > blue hair put you off.
>
> Last time I was in the Bay Area, I made it a point to drop in at the
> Gamescape on Divisadero and the one in Palo Alto (? It may not have been a
> Gamescape, my memory is fading with the growth of my kids...)

Yup, they have a second store in Palo Alto.

> I was really
> disappointed! I was expecting a great big store, stocking everything
> currently in print and most of what is OOP. Not so. I'd put Portland, OR's
> Bridgetown Hobby against it any day, let alone any of Seattle's better
> stores.
>
> I wouldn't fight the SF traffic for a trip to Gamescape again...
>

I also haven't found Gamescape to be amazing. It was ok, if you happen to
be into whatever they had decided to carry, but they didn't have a good
solid breadth of selection. Though, they do have a good selection of the
used games on consignment. Just to be fair, on the otherhand, I have to
say I've only been to the Palo Alto store, not the SF one.

I also wasn't as impressed with Games of Berkeley the last couple times I
was there. They just didn't seem as impressive as they used to.

Another store worth trying out, in Cupertino (near San Jose), is D&J Hobby.


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Bryant Durrell

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Sep 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/20/99
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In article <7s3f1m$1...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,

Mark Horning <mhor...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <3sBE3.42450$aX6....@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>Ross Coburn <cob...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Looks to be about a fifty-fifty chance that I'll be moving to San Francisco
>>(from Montreal) in the next month or so. Should that happen, I'd be much
>>obliged if someone could point me at any nifty stores or gaming enclaves (I
>>think my office and/or eventual apartment might be in the South of Market
>>area, though I've never been to SF and have no real idea what it's like.
>>
>>I'll be flying down early next week for an interview, and wouldn't mind
>>checking out the terrain in advance if I get the chance.
>>
>It's been a while since I lived in California. The best gaming store I
>recall was "Games of Berkley" in Berkley. It's on Shadduck Ave about a
>half block from the BART station and Close to "The other Change of Hobbit"
>one of the best SF oriented bookstores around.

As of about a year ago, Games of Berkeley was dead on the vine; you
know how some gaming stores got sucked into CCGs at the expense of
RPGs (this is not a CCGs are evil rant, it's just that some gaming
stores are bad...)?

Games of Berkeley went that route with Beanies. :)

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Bryant Durrell

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In article <37e51778...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,

Tannim <tan...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>He wants to live south of market, where all the multimedia techies and
>financial employees live. That's 2000-5000. Most apartments (if you
>can find one in a city with 95% occupancy) that are less than 1200 are
>in shitty neighborhoods. You can trade safety for rent if you like.

Go live in the Sunset; I know people keep forgetting it's part of
the City, but...

Anyhow, since this has nothing to do with gaming -- Gamescape is
the only real SF gaming store. It is fairly OK, although not
excellent. Good used selection, nice staff, don't let Ron's
blue hair put you off.

--

Gwen

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In article <7s45g0$1p...@news2.newsguy.com>,

dur...@innocence.com (Bryant Durrell) wrote:
> Games of Berkeley went that route with Beanies. :)

Oh, ack. And ewww.

Actually, I went on a doomed trip around the Bay Area recently trying
to find all of the purported "gaming" stores that advertised any RPG.
This was doomed because it was Labor Day (ok, we were bored and our
planned biking trip to Santa Cruz got cancelled for lack of the person
with the bike rack) and we quickly discovered everything closed, so
instead decided to head into the mountains for a happy drive.

Anyway, my question is this: while on that doomed trip, we happened
upon a store called "Gator's Gaming" or somesuch that looked
interesting up near San Mateo.. anyone know what that place is like?

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John Peralta

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Just to give you some perspective I thought I'd give you my two cents.
I go to Gamescape in San Francisco at least once a week. I have also been to
the one in Palo Alto. What I have found is that, as far as San Francisco is
concerned, you can't beat Gamescape. The store is far from perfect but will
suit most gamers needs. They do have a good (not great) selection of used
material, something you can't say about the store in Palo Alto.
In addition they often have discounted material. For example I buy Heavy
Gear, Tribe 8, Jovian chronicles, Doomtown and Fading Suns from them at 20%
off. Others include Warzone, Chronopia, Legends of the Five Rings (RPG), In
Nomine and Warhammer (RPG). Of course they carry most card games as well.
And like most places they can order anything for you.
Palo Alto is just not worth it unless you are in the area (it's a good 30-40
minutes away). If you can't find what you are looking for at Gamescape try
Gator Games in San Mateo. Its much closer to San Francisco and carries a
fairly good selection of games.
Games of Berkeley is accross the bay and would take at least a half hour if
you take the subway (BART). I found it to be no better than Gamescape with
the added drawbacks of no used material at all and no discounts at all.
Again if you are in the neighborhood take a look otherwise don't waste your
time.
Lastly Gamescape does have it's drawbacks and chief among them is, as
someone mentioned before, they tend to concentrate on the items the manager
likes. Don't let that turn you off. They are your best bet.
John Peralta

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> Andy Young wrote:
> >
> > Bryant Durrell <dur...@innocence.com> wrote in message
> > news:7s45ck$1p...@news2.newsguy.com...

> > > Anyhow, since this has nothing to do with gaming -- Gamescape is
> > > the only real SF gaming store. It is fairly OK, although not
> > > excellent. Good used selection, nice staff, don't let Ron's
> > > blue hair put you off.
> >

Paul Jackson

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Bryant Durrell wrote:

>
> Anyhow, since this has nothing to do with gaming -- Gamescape is
> the only real SF gaming store. It is fairly OK, although not
> excellent. Good used selection, nice staff, don't let Ron's
> blue hair put you off.
>

I'd definitely rank the Gamescape in San Francisco as
good to excellent. Admittedly, I haven't been in it
for a couple of years now.

I tend to judge game stores by what they carry
that my local game stores don't. By that metric
they were quite good. I suppose that might be more
due to different distribution of goods into Canada
than to inherent quality of the store, though.

Doug Berry

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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:51:08 -0400, Paul Jackson <pa...@klg.com>
channeled Elvis who passed this on:

>> Anyhow, since this has nothing to do with gaming -- Gamescape is
>> the only real SF gaming store. It is fairly OK, although not
>> excellent. Good used selection, nice staff, don't let Ron's
>> blue hair put you off.
>
>I'd definitely rank the Gamescape in San Francisco as
>good to excellent. Admittedly, I haven't been in it
>for a couple of years now.

Gamescape SF is an excellent store on many levels. After only
two visits, the staff (who do look like they came off a bizarre
cross-over between WHFP and Cyberpunk) knew my name, and what I'd
probably be interested in. Excellent stack of used stuff, and a
decent Thai restaurant up the street.

The Palo Alto store has gone *way* downhill in the last two
years. Hardly worth the effort anymore. The only reason I even
go in anymore is my oncologist is in Menlo Park, and Lee's Comics
in the same building.

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Tim Dunn

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Here's what I know of stores in the area.

http://www.gamescape.com/
Gamescape SF - Divisadero near Haight. Haven't been in it for 5 years,
so it could have gone to hell or become beautified for all I know.
Used to be the _only_ store worth going to in SF for gaming. Had
cool people behind the counter who knew what was happening in the
industry, what was a good game for x, etc. Lots of board and card
games too. Magic was starting to eat up a lot of space then.

It was down the street from Comics Experience, an excellent comic
book store. Graphic novels, manga, back issues, etc. Not just
X-men (which was all the rage back 5 years ago, and rare was a store
that didn't devote >50% of shelf space to misc marvel mutant manure.)

Gamescape Palo Alto - El Camino Real near Page Mill Road. Been there
within the month. Not bad for supplements, but they don't carry
core rules for anything but bigname rpgs. It's kind of annoying to
see an excellent sourcebook and want to buy the main book only to
be told, "We can special order it for you." Has a diverse collection of
used games and amgazines. Lots of board and card games.

Like it's brother, it's down the street from an excellent comic store,
Lee's Comics. And inbetween, there is a cheap chinese steam-table
'resturant', Mr. Chau's. Everything is greasy and salty, but it's
cheap and fast.

http://www.djhobby.com/
D&J Hobby - Cambell Ave. and San Tomas Aquino Rd. Haven't visited for
3 years or so. Think "hobby supermarket" - it has models, crafts
(knitting, flowers, etc) and anything that can be considered a hobby,
including gaming. Not a half-bad selection for a place that isn't
exclusively gaming. Better than Game Keeper. Good if you're into
minatures and diaromas for your games.

http://www.gamekeeper.com/
Game Keeper - in a mall near you. For more details, see:
http://www.gamekeeper.com/locations/loc_nocal.html It's not a
_gamER_ store, just a gamING_ store. Imagine your local gaming
store gone corporate - it sells anything that's a gmae, mostly
party ("How to Host a Murder"), board, and suchlike. Oh, and
there's a few shelf-feet of RPG's, though most of the staff
have no idea what they are.

As for gamers, there are a lot. SF Bay Area has over 15 colleges
and where there are colleges, there are gamers. Or try the
bulletin boards at the various game stores.

tim

Jefferson Krogh

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Gwen, "the fanged flower." wrote:

> Anyway, my question is this: while on that doomed trip, we happened
> upon a store called "Gator's Gaming" or somesuch that looked
> interesting up near San Mateo.. anyone know what that place is like?

It's not the world's biggest game store, but it might be the busiest in the
Bay Area. I've been frequenting it for over five years. They do an
excellent job of handling the bigger names in the hobby, and a pretty good
job of stocking the rest of the RPG industry. Not great on hobby
boardgames or wargames, and no computer games or anything. Probably the
friendliest and most helpful owners I've ever dealt with--they stay right
on top of the whole industry, and they will find out what you like and tell
you what's new every time you go into the store.

Beware the rugrats, though--the flavor of the month is Pokemon.
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Kennerley-Spratling, Inc.

Mark Horning

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In article <7s45g0$1p...@news2.newsguy.com>,

Bryant Durrell <dur...@innocence.com> wrote:
>In article <7s3f1m$1...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
>Mark Horning <mhor...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <3sBE3.42450$aX6....@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>>Ross Coburn <cob...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>Looks to be about a fifty-fifty chance that I'll be moving to San Francisco
>>>(from Montreal) in the next month or so. Should that happen, I'd be much
>>>obliged if someone could point me at any nifty stores or gaming enclaves (I
>>>think my office and/or eventual apartment might be in the South of Market
>>>area, though I've never been to SF and have no real idea what it's like.
>>>
>>>I'll be flying down early next week for an interview, and wouldn't mind
>>>checking out the terrain in advance if I get the chance.
>>>
>>It's been a while since I lived in California. The best gaming store I
>>recall was "Games of Berkley" in Berkley. It's on Shadduck Ave about a
>>half block from the BART station and Close to "The other Change of Hobbit"
>>one of the best SF oriented bookstores around.
>
>As of about a year ago, Games of Berkeley was dead on the vine; you
>know how some gaming stores got sucked into CCGs at the expense of
>RPGs (this is not a CCGs are evil rant, it's just that some gaming
>stores are bad...)?
>
>Games of Berkeley went that route with Beanies. :)
>
Argh, no, no. The horror! The horror! *Sigh* I used to shop there for
miniaturs. Best miniature selection I knew of.

Kurtz

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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The Bay has quite a selection of game stores, even if the majority of them
have gone downhill since back in the proverbial Day. As far as California
goes, the Bay was once definitely the place to shop, as everything between
San Fran and L.A. is a cultural wasteland devoid of good record stores,
well-stocked game shops, and decent falafel. Most of these have been
mentioned in the thread already, but here is some more grist for the mill.

Gamescape (S.F.) I haven't been in a long while, but the selection was
once great, there were used games, and discounts on new merchandise. It
sounds like they might not be as terrific now.

Gamescape (Palo Alto) Down on the Peninsula, this is a bit of a drive if
that sort of thing bothers you. I tend to drive from Berkeley to San Jose
just to buy the new People Like Us CD, so the distance doesn't seem
overwhelming, personally. But as my little brother can attest, I looove to
drive. This shop is located on El Camino Real, and they have definitely went
downhill just in the past few years, after the recent move. The used shelf
is barren, and you can no longer rely upon this place to have every product
for every system. There seems to be a general lack of concern with keeping
the place stocked, and to top it off the staff has hosted some real
assholes. I know that gamers, in general, can be quite the anti-social lot,
but some of the employees there really take the cake with "Monumental
Out-of-Touch Nerd With an Attitide" written in blue frosting across the top.
Okay, so you are a nerd who works at a game shop AND is an undergrad at
Stanford, but don't let the Stanford part eclipse the all important "nerd
who works at a game shop" part.
I guess my Cal bias is showing.
The guy who used to dye his receding hair green and thought he was an extra
from a White Wolf game was a real prick.
As you can tell, I agree with most of the other posts which do not recommend
this place.

Games of Berkeley (Berkeley) This was once the Mecca of gaming in the
Bay. They, too, have suffered greatly after their move. No small press
games, and not even guaranteed to have copies of the popular games in stock.
The RPG section is now relegated to the tiny back corner of the store, and
has surprisngly few shelves compared to the old place. I could not find Blue
Planet, Deadlands, or Tribe 8 there soon after their releases, as an
indication of the stock problem.

Scenario (Fremont) This is really in the sticks from SF. They, too, have
recently moved, but the quality has yet to suffer. They have a fairly
complete stock, although tend to be a bit slow on ordering the newest
products sometimes. Their return policy is very liberal, so I tend to buy
unknown systems and supplements there because I have a month to mull over
the quality of the purchase. This place had the items in stock that GoB did
not, on those two separate trips.

I have never been to Gator Games, but the staff sounded friendly on the
phone.

FWIW, if people are actually paying 5 grand to live south of Market, then I
suppose that proves my theory that most people in the Bay have too much
money. I am fine paying $1200-1500 for 2 bedrooms and not living in some
neighborhood which someone, somewhere deems worth 4 times that amount. I
know a helluva lot of struggling artists and musicians who live in SF and do
not pay anywhere near 2 to 5 thousand. Take heart, Montrealer, it's not as
bad as all that.

Mark Horning wrote in message <7s3f1m$1...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>...


>In article <3sBE3.42450$aX6....@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>Ross Coburn <cob...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Looks to be about a fifty-fifty chance that I'll be moving to San
Francisco
>>(from Montreal) in the next month or so. Should that happen, I'd be much
>>obliged if someone could point me at any nifty stores or gaming enclaves
(I
>>think my office and/or eventual apartment might be in the South of Market
>>area, though I've never been to SF and have no real idea what it's like.
>>
>>I'll be flying down early next week for an interview, and wouldn't mind
>>checking out the terrain in advance if I get the chance.
>>
>It's been a while since I lived in California. The best gaming store I
>recall was "Games of Berkley" in Berkley. It's on Shadduck Ave about a
>half block from the BART station and Close to "The other Change of Hobbit"
>one of the best SF oriented bookstores around.
>
>

Dave Thomas

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Well, here's my take on the Bay Area game shops:

Gamescape(SF) - I have not been there in years (I don't drive into SF
unless I absolutely have to), but I remember it as being a very good
store. Nice selction.

Gamescape (Palo Alto) - This used to be SO much better before they
moved. The selection has really dropped off here. Don't expect a lot
of help from anyone working there, as they're usually way too busy
talking to each other about very strange things to be bothered to do
anything for you other than take your money.

Gator Games (San Mateo) - The people that work here are really, really
nice and know games. The store, however, is almost always overrun with
kids and parents buying those "rare" and "hot" Pokemon cards, which is
different from a few years back, when the store was overrun with kids
and parents buying those "rare" and "hot" Magic:TG cards. I think the
store has a good selection of games, though it seems like sometimes
the emphasis on cards keeps them from getting new stuff right away. At
least with me, I often see new supplements and such at other stores
before I see them here. Still, this is probably the place where I
spend the most money on games in the Bay Area.

Games Of Berkeley (Berkeley) - I went there for the first time ever a
couple of months ago, so I don't know what it used to be like. It
seemed OK, nothing overwhelming, but had a decent selection of
mainstream RPG stuff. There was a big pile of beany baby stuff at the
front of the store, where some woman was pawing through them, holding
up various ones, and asking people "Is this one worth anything?" Like
I'm going to know...

There's a store in Concord in a shopping area where there's a CompUSA
and a Claim Jumper steak house. I can't remember the name of this
store, but it has a pretty good selection of RPGs and such. They also
have a lot of board games, puzzles and similar items. It's sort of
like a Gamekeeper, only it's a lot bigger and they actually had plenty
of RPG stuff.

Overall, the Bay Area is OK for gaming stuff, but it's not the
greatest place ever to shop. I still find myself going to The Last
Grenadier whenever I'm in LA, and visiting various shops when I'm back
East. I located both Beyond The Mountains Of Madness and the new Delta
Green sourcebooks on a recent East coast trip, two items that I could
not find anywhere locally.

As far as finding gamers, I have not had much luck. The last gaming
group we were in broke up years ago, and we haven't had much luck
finding one since. I suppose part of the problem is that I don't have
time to run games any more (any group we've ever been in I always end
up running the games for some reason) and the fact that my wife and I
won't miss any football to game, which limits the time windows for
gaming in the fall.


Dave Thomas - Editor
Pixel Planet - Reviews Of Stuff
http://www.pixelplanet.com

Doug Berry

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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:02:58 -0700, "Kurtz"
<exter...@the.brutes.com> channeled Elvis who passed this on:

>The guy who used to dye his receding hair green and thought he was an extra
>from a White Wolf game was a real prick.

Justin was going through some massive personal shit in his last
year at Gamescape. He actually found most WW games pretentious
in the extreme, but he ran an excellent Mage game.

Nowadays the "staff" don't even bother to rouse themselves from
their near immobility behind the counter when a customer walks
in. Forget about information on anything that isn't the hot item
of the moment, and special orders are a joke.

Tim Dunn

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Dave Thomas <Da...@pixelplanet.com> wrote:
>As far as finding gamers, I have not had much luck. The last gaming
>group we were in broke up years ago, and we haven't had much luck
>finding one since. I suppose part of the problem is that I don't have
>time to run games any more (any group we've ever been in I always end
>up running the games for some reason) and the fact that my wife and I
>won't miss any football to game, which limits the time windows for
>gaming in the fall.

My excuses are similar - wife and kid, so not a lot of free time.
Also, job and stuff, so not a lot of time in large chunks.

tim

ne...@spamfree-phantaci.com

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In rec.games.frp.misc Kurtz <exter...@the.brutes.com> wrote:

I guess I will chime in here since I have something new to add..

Gamescape (S.F.)

Been there once, servicable. People are okay.

Gamescape (Palo Alto)

Oh yeah, this place is the worst gaming store you could go to. I
know some people that are hard to deal with in the gaming market,
but I have yet to meet one helpful person in this store. I used
to go to this store all the time as they were the closest. After
spending alot of $ there, they treated myself and my other friends
very rudely. So much for them.

Scenario (Fremont)

Nice store, and the folk are easy to work with. They do alot to
help Bay Area gaming.

Gator Games (San Mateo)

Great store. The place is the size of a shoe box and there are
really small Pokemon nuts running around, but they have a good
wide range of products. The employees are also helpful and donate
alot of time and materials to local Bay Area gaming. All around
the best bet for SFers (I come from Mountain View) as a store to
"frequent."

Ian's Games (Vallejo)

Probably the best place in the Bay Area. Only open two days a week
and run by a guy that does it as a hobby. He is very friendly and
has a standard discount on almost all of his gaming materials. He
carries a large selection of old and new gaming products. He can
also get ahold of about anything you want.

Stuff from there is getting REALLY far away. The only other store not
mentioned that I think probably should be is Neutral Ground. They dont
have the best selection but their main service is providing a place to
have games run at. Good to try out games and meet people. They also have
a network of fast PCs with new games to play alone or in a group.

--Jim
--
Jim Shumaker |
ja...@phantaci.com |
Mountain View, CA |

Sea Wasp

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So you're not REAL gamers, then.

I have a wife and kid. FOOTBALL? Real gamers don't know what a football
LOOKS like, and if they DO, wouldn't miss a sit-down playing session for
the Superbowl. My wife games. Well, nowadays SHE doesn't have time, but
that just means I make it clear that *I* take the time.

Reasons not to game?
1) In a coma
2) Dead.

Nothing less will do.


--
Sea Wasp http://www.wizvax.net/seawasp/index.html
/^\
;;; _Morgantown: The Jason Wood Chronicles_, at
http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html

Brett Evill

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Sea Wasp wrote:

> Reasons not to game?
> 1) In a coma
> 2) Dead.
>
> Nothing less will do.

3) In solitary confinement and incommunicado
4) Being eaten by lions.


Brett Evill

Mark Horning

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In article <ekRzE8$A$GA.274@cpmsnbbsa03>,

Kurtz <exter...@the.brutes.com> wrote:
>
>Games of Berkeley (Berkeley) This was once the Mecca of gaming in the
>Bay. They, too, have suffered greatly after their move. No small press
>games, and not even guaranteed to have copies of the popular games in stock.
>The RPG section is now relegated to the tiny back corner of the store, and
>has surprisngly few shelves compared to the old place. I could not find Blue
>Planet, Deadlands, or Tribe 8 there soon after their releases, as an
>indication of the stock problem.
>
Ouch. When exactly did games of Berkley move? Games of berkley, The
Other Change of Hobbit, and Rocky Horror were the only reasons to visit
the Peoples Republic.

Gwen

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In article <37E846...@wizvax.net>,

sea...@wizvax.net wrote:
> Reasons not to game?
> 1) In a coma
> 2) Dead.

I cannot resist the temptation to note that I've known quite a few
gamers who seem to have been in a coma while gaming.

*grin*

Reasons I'm not gaming (RPG that is): Just got here, have no car to get
outside the circle of friends in the immediate area (Sunnyvale/Mountain
View). Though, they do board game. :)

John Rudd (yes, that's really my email address)

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Brett Evill wrote:

>
> Sea Wasp wrote:
>
> > Reasons not to game?
> > 1) In a coma
> > 2) Dead.
> >
> > Nothing less will do.
>

I dunno, I disagree that the next two are acceptable excuses:

> 3) In solitary confinement and incommunicado

You can play via morse code with the prisoners in the cells on either
side of you. And, there are plenty of solitare games out there.

:-)

> 4) Being eaten by lions.

This is actually an opportunity for real ROLE playing. For example: "my
character is a gazelle, I shal role play a gazelle being eaten by a lion,
instead of a human being eaten by a lion". Any _REAL_ role playing gamer
would see this opportunity, and take it.

It is not an excuse for not gaming. However, it tends to quickly lead to
#'s 1 and/or 2 above.

:-)

John Rudd (yes, that's really my email address)

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ne...@spamfree-phantaci.com wrote:
>
>
> Gamescape (S.F.)
>
>
> Gamescape (Palo Alto)
>
>
> Scenario (Fremont)
>
>
> Gator Games (San Mateo)
>
>
> Ian's Games (Vallejo)

>
>
> Stuff from there is getting REALLY far away.

While I work in Sunnyvale, I live in Watsonville, so I thought I'd mention
another game store (not quite in the SF area anymore, but still the
"greater bay area"), this one in Santa Cruz: The Dragon/GameAlot (they're
two stores, on opposite sides of the same building, but they're owned by
the same people, and GameAlot has some of the more standard stuff, like D&D
(as well as being a toy store), while The Dragon is more of a gamer's gamer
type store).

They don't have a huge selection, but they are often willing to order
stuff, in my experience. For what games they carry, they carry them with a
pretty good depth. They also seem to try to keep a good breadth of games.
They also have some selection of board games, and some tables (that last I
heard they had started charging a small fee for) for gaming over at The
Dragon. When I have been there, the staff has always been friendly and the
ones at The Dragon were all gamers.

GameAlot is on Pacific Ave, near Bookshop Santa Cruz (the north/east end of
the Pacific Garden Mall, diagonally across from the Santa Cruz Cinema 9,
and Noah's Bagels). The Dragon is on Front Street, just up from the back
entrance to Bookshop SC.

Mark Horning

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In article <37E86B...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au>,

Brett Evill <b.e...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au> wrote:
>Sea Wasp wrote:
>
>> Reasons not to game?
>> 1) In a coma
>> 2) Dead.
>>
>> Nothing less will do.
>
> 3) In solitary confinement and incommunicado
> 4) Being eaten by lions.
>
How many hit points do those lions have ;-)

Frank T. Sronce

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Sea Wasp wrote:
>
> So you're not REAL gamers, then.
>
> I have a wife and kid. FOOTBALL? Real gamers don't know what a football
> LOOKS like, and if they DO, wouldn't miss a sit-down playing session for
> the Superbowl. My wife games. Well, nowadays SHE doesn't have time, but
> that just means I make it clear that *I* take the time.
>
> Reasons not to game?
> 1) In a coma
> 2) Dead.
>
> Nothing less will do.
>
> --
> Sea Wasp http://www.wizvax.net/seawasp/index.html
> /^\
> ;;; _Morgantown: The Jason Wood Chronicles_, at
> http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html


Yeah, I used to know a gamer who always insisted that "3) Getting laid"
was an acceptable excuse. What a weirdo.

Kiz

Doug Berry

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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:38:25 +1000, Brett Evill
<b.e...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au> channeled Elvis who
passed this on:


> 4) Being eaten by lions.

Did you check to see if the lions gamed? I thought not.
Slacker.

Doug Berry

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On 22 Sep 1999 06:49:15 GMT, mhor...@netcom.com (Mark Horning)

channeled Elvis who passed this on:

>Ouch. When exactly did games of Berkley move? Games of berkley, The


>Other Change of Hobbit, and Rocky Horror were the only reasons to visit
>the Peoples Republic.

Bad news. The Berkeley RHPS closed late last year. The Other
Change of Hobbit is still there, but I just hit their table at
local cons.

Dave Thomas

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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:59:59 -0400, Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net>
wrote:


>
> So you're not REAL gamers, then.

Guess not. I am real lazy, though. Maybe that counts for something.

>
> I have a wife and kid. FOOTBALL? Real gamers don't know what a football
>LOOKS like, and if they DO, wouldn't miss a sit-down playing session for
>the Superbowl. My wife games. Well, nowadays SHE doesn't have time, but
>that just means I make it clear that *I* take the time.

Bah. Football rules. It's right up there on my list of "stuff I'd
rather do than game" which also includes riding roller coasters and
white water rafting.

>
> Reasons not to game?
> 1) In a coma
> 2) Dead.

Well, if you think about it, a "real gamer" would allow his/her corpse
and/or comatose body to be used as a gaming prop by their GM. So I
suppose you can still game even under these circumstances. So there.

Actually, I'd still game if I could find a good group of people.
Perhaps it's because the group we had when we lived back East kicked
were so damn good that we've never found anyone else even close. Or
maybe I'm just lazy.

>
> Nothing less will do.

Thanks for making me laugh!

Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes

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Possibly I'm an elitist snob, but I can live without gaming. I prefer to
game only with people I feel a high degree of confidence in, who share a
willingness to concentrate on the game, in mutually satisfactory
conditions of time and place.

Otherwise it's a waste of time and effort that could be more enjoyably
spent reading, or watching a movie, or browsing used bookstores, or
doing lots of other things that require less preparation and attention.


--
Bruce Baugh / bruce...@sff.net
"I have joyously shut myself up in the solitary domain where the mask
holds sway, wholly made up of violence, light and brilliance."
- James Ensor

Grey Daegmorgan

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Sep 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/22/99
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Sea Wasp wrote:

> Reasons not to game?
> 1) In a coma
> 2) Dead.

What, are you kidding?
All that free time after you are dead and you aren't going to use it
to game?!

-The GreyOrm

Michael T. Richter

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Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes <bruce...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:7sbbrv$3ss...@enews.newsguy.com...

> Possibly I'm an elitist snob, but I can live without gaming. I
> prefer to game only with people I feel a high degree of
> confidence in, who share a willingness to concentrate on the
> game, in mutually satisfactory conditions of time and place.

> Otherwise it's a waste of time and effort that could be more
> enjoyably spent reading, or watching a movie, or browsing used
> bookstores, or doing lots of other things that require less
> preparation and attention.

You know, I really could have sworn that you and I hated each other;
peculiar when you consider how much your views and mine converge.... :-)

One attitude which has always puzzled me -- and one which you'll see
expressed over and over and over again in this very forum -- is something
along the lines of "I don't really enjoy gaming with my current group, but
they're the only gamers I know, so I guess I have to put up with it." What
this says to me is that the person expressing this view is simply addicted
to gaming. After all what other possible motivation could there be for
participating in a pastime which you don't enjoy at all?

--
Michael T. Richter <m...@ottawa.com> http://www.igs.net/~mtr/
"get a life. its a plastic box with wires in it."
-- Nadia Mizner <nad...@onthenet.com.au> (in private correspondence)


Frank J. Perricone

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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:25:10 GMT, "Michael T. Richter" <m...@ottawa.com>
wrote:

> One attitude which has always puzzled me -- and one which you'll see
> expressed over and over and over again in this very forum -- is something
> along the lines of "I don't really enjoy gaming with my current group, but
> they're the only gamers I know, so I guess I have to put up with it." What
> this says to me is that the person expressing this view is simply addicted
> to gaming. After all what other possible motivation could there be for
> participating in a pastime which you don't enjoy at all?

It is possible some of the time this phrase is just a sloppy shorthand for
"I don't really enjoy gaming with my current group nearly as much as [I'd
like to | I did with my last group | etc.], but..."

In my case right at the moment, I don't enjoy playing with my group as much
as I did a few months ago, or as much as some previous groups, or as much
as I'd want to; but I still enjoy it more than I would enjoy the
alternative activities I'd likely be doing on a Saturday afternoon. I
could imagine in a particular context I might say "I'm not really enjoying
gaming during the current adventure, but it's better than not gaming" but I
wouldn't mean it in the absolute sense that I'm getting literally no
enjoyment from it. In other words, in actual speech there can be a big
difference between "I don't *really* enjoy..." and "don't enjoy at all".

Another answer: there are lots of reasons to go to a gaming session, of
which gaming is just one. This is a lot clearer when you think of similar
activities like bingo, bridge night, poker night, etc. Perhaps some people
would rather have the social interaction of a bad gaming session than sit
home alone (or other alternatives). Along the same lines, they might be
going because they think they can improve the game and group given time so
it's an investment; or because they want to practice; or to exact vengeance
on another player for some slight; or because someone else pays for the
pizza; or to flirt with some other member of the group; or because they're
in the will of someone else in the group or otherwise want to be in
someone's good graces; or... Well, you can think of as many other reasons
as I could.

--
* Frank J. Perricone * hawt...@sover.net * http://www.sover.net/~hawthorn
Prism: http://www.sover.net/~hawthorn/Prism/
Just because we aren't all the same doesn't mean we have nothing in common
Just because we have something in common doesn't mean we're all the same

David P. Summers

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Gwen, the fanged flower. wrote:
> Reasons I'm not gaming (RPG that is): Just got here, have no car to get
> outside the circle of friends in the immediate area (Sunnyvale/Mountain
> View). Though, they do board game. :)

Actually I don't have a car (I lost weight not having one and decided
it was worth the inconvience) and I live in the same area. I do how
rather than biking, usually get a ride form someone else who games
(I GM a good number of the games so that incourages them to make sure
I make it :-).

However, you live near Caltrain and can take a bike on the train (and
the light rail is about to open) that should make it possible to
get anywhere from San Jose to San Franscisco....

-----------------------------------------
If anyone else had an opinion on any of this, do you think they
would have _me_ give it?

Fitz

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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:43 -0400, "Frank T. Sronce"
<fsr...@myriad.net> wrote:

>Sea Wasp wrote:

>> Reasons not to game?
>> 1) In a coma
>> 2) Dead.
>>

>> Nothing less will do.

> Yeah, I used to know a gamer who always insisted that "3) Getting laid"
>was an acceptable excuse. What a weirdo.

Getting laid? OK, so it might justify taking a break for those 30 or
40 seconds, but there's no reason why the gaming session couldn't
carry on.

You could even do it during quiet periods of the game - like when the
UberRoleplayer is describing in loving detail his trauma and mental
torment over having been overcharged a full groat and a half for his
meal (which he will have ordered in detail from a menu he's demanded
the GM provide for him on the spot).

Actually, that should give you time to get laid, oh, about 90 times.

Robert Baldwin

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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:38:25 +1000, Brett Evill
<b.e...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au> wrote:

>Sea Wasp wrote:
>
>> Reasons not to game?
>> 1) In a coma
>> 2) Dead.
>>
>> Nothing less will do.
>

> 3) In solitary confinement and incommunicado

RP a telepath.

> 4) Being eaten by lions.

RP dinner. ;-)

--
Saint Baldwin, definer of the unholy darkspawn.

"Everyone dies someday; the trick is doing it well."
"Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out" [MSB].
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Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes

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In article <WObG3.21$3B3...@198.235.216.4>, "Michael T. Richter" <m...@ottawa.com> wrote:

>You know, I really could have sworn that you and I hated each other;
>peculiar when you consider how much your views and mine converge.... :-)

I have confidence that this unusual condition will pass. :)

>One attitude which has always puzzled me -- and one which you'll see
>expressed over and over and over again in this very forum -- is something
>along the lines of "I don't really enjoy gaming with my current group, but
>they're the only gamers I know, so I guess I have to put up with it." What
>this says to me is that the person expressing this view is simply addicted
>to gaming. After all what other possible motivation could there be for
>participating in a pastime which you don't enjoy at all?

That's my take on it. I _did_ that, when I was 13-14, spending a lot of
time with people I didn't necessarily like because they were the only
way to get my gaming fix. I was insecure (and inflicting a lot of
unnecessary misery on myself for various dumb reasons). These days I
have more confidence in my ability to find fun without putting up with
extended bouts of un-fun along the way.

John Scott

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In article <37e917ce...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, Da...@pixelplanet.com
(Dave Thomas) wrote:


> Well, if you think about it, a "real gamer" would allow his/her corpse
> and/or comatose body to be used as a gaming prop by their GM. So I
> suppose you can still game even under these circumstances. So there.

_REAL_ gamers have rulesets which describe how their corpse can be used as
a prop.

(Ref: Early Black Sun - the fanzine produced by the Citidel Miniatures
people as a micky take of White Dwarf).

John

Gwen

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In article <37E96DD1.1DD716A6@remove_alum.mit.edu>,

"David P. Summers" <summers@remove_alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Actually I don't have a car (I lost weight not having one and decided
> it was worth the inconvience) and I live in the same area.

Yah, losing the weight is nice. I'm dreading rainy times though so
wouldn't mind having a car by then. Also, getting to the grocery store
without having to bother my brother and his wife would be really nifty.

> However, you live near Caltrain and can take a bike on the train (and
> the light rail is about to open) that should make it possible to
> get anywhere from San Jose to San Franscisco....

But... But....

That requires effort!

Actually, I've been meaning to do that. But inevitably, the Saturday
that I planned to ride the train up to the city comes around and I
sleep through it. Then I go over to a friend's to geek for 8 hours
straight, of course. I'm so pathetic. :)

Gwen

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In article <7sbbrv$3ss...@enews.newsguy.com>,

bruce...@sff.net (Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes) wrote:
> Possibly I'm an elitist snob, but I can live without gaming.

*cough*

Bruce without gaming would shake the very foundations of my world
view. I don't believe it, nor would I *ever* want to see it. :)

Seriously though, I'm probably also susceptible to the Bruce brand of
elitism. I was fortunate enough to be completely spoiled by having the
Raindog as a GM for years, as a result I have a hard time in most other
campaigns.

Mr. M.J. Lush

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In article <37ec02c5...@news.mindspring.com>,

Doug Berry <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:38:25 +1000, Brett Evill
><b.e...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au> channeled Elvis who
>passed this on:

>> 4) Being eaten by lions.
>
>Did you check to see if the lions gamed? I thought not.
>Slacker.

No need, lions are cats and cats play with their food.
--

Michael
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NPC rights activist | Nameless Abominations are people too.

Sea Wasp

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Frank T. Sronce wrote:

>
> Sea Wasp wrote:
> >
> > So you're not REAL gamers, then.
> >
> > I have a wife and kid. FOOTBALL? Real gamers don't know what a football
> > LOOKS like, and if they DO, wouldn't miss a sit-down playing session for
> > the Superbowl. My wife games. Well, nowadays SHE doesn't have time, but
> > that just means I make it clear that *I* take the time.
> >
> > Reasons not to game?
> > 1) In a coma
> > 2) Dead.
> >
> > Nothing less will do.
> >
> > --
> > Sea Wasp http://www.wizvax.net/seawasp/index.html
> > /^\
> > ;;; _Morgantown: The Jason Wood Chronicles_, at
> > http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html
>
> Yeah, I used to know a gamer who always insisted that "3) Getting laid"
> was an acceptable excuse. What a weirdo.

Definitely. Besides, you could do that in character anyway. If the girl
isn't a gamer, what are you wasting your time for? She'll just dump you
as soon as she finds out.

Patrick M. Berry

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In article <7s8jrt$c8k$1...@hubble.csuchico.edu>, td...@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tim Dunn) writes:

> My excuses are similar - wife and kid, so not a lot of free time.

That's no excuse. I made sure that my wife and kids were gamers too, so
they're not an impediment to gaming. All it takes is a little planning.

> Also, job and stuff, so not a lot of time in large chunks.

So game in small chunks of time! Or sleep less! Nobody said this was
going to be easy. :)


Jefferson Krogh

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"David P. Summers" wrote:

> Gwen, the fanged flower. wrote:
> > Reasons I'm not gaming (RPG that is): Just got here, have no car to get
> > outside the circle of friends in the immediate area (Sunnyvale/Mountain
> > View). Though, they do board game. :)
>

> However, you live near Caltrain and can take a bike on the train (and
> the light rail is about to open) that should make it possible to
> get anywhere from San Jose to San Franscisco....

Gator Games in San Mateo is within shouting distance of a Caltrain station,
even. Just watch out for the Pokemon rugrats; they yelp loud when you
inadvertantly step on them. ;-)
--
Jefferson Krogh, MCSE
IS Manager
Kennerley-Spratling, Inc.

Michael T. Richter

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Jefferson Krogh <jeff...@skaldheim.com> wrote in message
news:37EA88B3...@skaldheim.com...

> Just watch out for the Pokemon rugrats; they yelp loud when you
> inadvertantly step on them. ;-)

You step on them inadvertently? Doesn't that make the aim a bit difficult?

Jefferson Krogh

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"Michael T. Richter" wrote:

> Jefferson Krogh <jeff...@skaldheim.com> wrote in message
> news:37EA88B3...@skaldheim.com...
> > Just watch out for the Pokemon rugrats; they yelp loud when you
> > inadvertantly step on them. ;-)
>
> You step on them inadvertently? Doesn't that make the aim a bit difficult?

Well, until the little problem with the DA's office is cleared up, that's my
story, and I'm sticking to it... ;-)

Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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In article <7se0g5$mju$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Gwen, the fanged flower. <vam...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>Bruce without gaming would shake the very foundations of my world
>view. I don't believe it, nor would I *ever* want to see it. :)

Don't you have work to do or something? :)

>Seriously though, I'm probably also susceptible to the Bruce brand of
>elitism. I was fortunate enough to be completely spoiled by having the
>Raindog as a GM for years, as a result I have a hard time in most other
>campaigns.

Right. Good gaming is fun. Bad gaming isn't. And I've got other
interests.

David P. Summers

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Jefferson Krogh wrote:
> Gator Games in San Mateo is within shouting distance of a Caltrain station,
> even. Just watch out for the Pokemon rugrats; they yelp loud when you

> inadvertantly step on them. ;-)

The main issue is that I can get so much by mail. However, I could
use a source of minitures (you really need to see them). How is
their selection?

David P. Summers

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Gwen, the fanged flower. wrote:

> In article <37E96DD1.1DD716A6@remove_alum.mit.edu>,
> "David P. Summers" <summers@remove_alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > Actually I don't have a car (I lost weight not having one and decided
> > it was worth the inconvience) and I live in the same area.

> Yah, losing the weight is nice. I'm dreading rainy times though so
> wouldn't mind having a car by then. Also, getting to the grocery store
> without having to bother my brother and his wife would be really nifty.

People ask what I do when it rains and I answer "I get wet". Californians
think they will all melt if they get wet. (Though actually, you can often go
a fair distance without getting really wet if you have fenders, it doesn't
rain that hard in CA at any one time).

> > However, you live near Caltrain and can take a bike on the train (and
> > the light rail is about to open) that should make it possible to
> > get anywhere from San Jose to San Franscisco....
>

> But... But....
>
> That requires effort!
>
> Actually, I've been meaning to do that. But inevitably, the Saturday
> that I planned to ride the train up to the city comes around and I
> sleep through it. Then I go over to a friend's to geek for 8 hours
> straight, of course. I'm so pathetic. :)

Spoken like true Californian! I do have to admit that I tend to order
games by mail these days since Gamescape isn't on my normal commuting
route.

Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes

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Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:38:25 +1000: in <37E86B...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au>,
Brett Evill <b.e...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au> spake:

>Sea Wasp wrote:
>> Reasons not to game?
>> 1) In a coma

Read _The Bridge_ by Iain Banks, or see any movie where the entire
film happens in a character's coma. Possibly one of the best RP
situations - no distractions, and if you left strict instructions to
keep you wired up (what kind of fool leaves any OTHER kind?), no
worries.

>> 2) Dead.

Old joke (adapted for gaming by "What's New", I think):
A gamer meets the ghost of his departed fellow player:
"You must tell me, is there roleplaying beyond the grave?"
"Well, there's good news and bad news. The good news is, yes."
"What's the bad news?"
"You're the GM next week."

Death isn't the handicap it used to be in the olden days, ya know.

>> Nothing less will do.
> 3) In solitary confinement and incommunicado

Someone should write _The Zen of Role-Playing Games_.

> 4) Being eaten by lions.

Ooh! A chance to test my combat system!

There is no excuse for not gaming.

-- <a href="http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/"> Mark Hughes </a>

Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes

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Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:43 -0400: in <37E8DFA3...@myriad.net>,
"Frank T. Sronce" <fsr...@myriad.net> spake:

> Yeah, I used to know a gamer who always insisted that "3) Getting laid"
>was an acceptable excuse. What a weirdo.

You know, there are applications of role-playing in sex. Further
details are probably inappropriate for some age groups around, though,
since this is being posted to .dnd.

Gwen

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In article <37EAD5F2.E5D53C70@remove_alum.mit.edu>,

"David P. Summers" <summers@remove_alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> People ask what I do when it rains and I answer "I get wet".
Californians
> think they will all melt if they get wet.

No, but I do get sick a lot. I like to try to avoid that. :)

> Spoken like true Californian! I do have to admit that I tend to order
> games by mail these days since Gamescape isn't on my normal commuting
> route.

Whoa, I adapt quickly then! I've only been here a month.

But if the stores are as described on this, I'll plan for spending lots
of money at PotA when I return to Pittsburgh for visits.

--
Gwendolyn R. Schmidt, UNIX Systems and Networks Administrator.
"If he could not reform the world, he could at all events laugh at it,
attaining at least an intellectual superiority." -- E. M. Forster


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Before you buy.

Gwen

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In article <7se815$18g...@enews.newsguy.com>,

bruce...@sff.net (Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes) wrote:
> Don't you have work to do or something? :)

*shhhhhhh*

<whisper>I'm not really here</whisper>

[looks from side to side nervously]

> Right. Good gaming is fun. Bad gaming isn't. And I've got other
> interests.

Is this where we rehash the "You're not a REAL gamer!"? :)

Michael T. Richter

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Jefferson Krogh <jeff...@skaldheim.com> wrote in message
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>>> Just watch out for the Pokemon rugrats; they yelp loud when you
>>> inadvertantly step on them. ;-)

>> You step on them inadvertently? Doesn't that make the aim a bit
>> difficult?

> Well, until the little problem with the DA's office is cleared up,
> that's my story, and I'm sticking to it... ;-)

Fucking lawyers get in the way of all forms of justice, don't they?

Patrick M. Berry

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Sep 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/24/99
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In article <7sbbrv$3ss...@enews.newsguy.com>, bruce...@sff.net (Bruce, The Ghost Who Writes) writes:

> Possibly I'm an elitist snob, but I can live without gaming.

You call that living? :)

> I prefer to
> game only with people I feel a high degree of confidence in, who share a
> willingness to concentrate on the game, in mutually satisfactory
> conditions of time and place.

Actually, I feel the same way. I've been fortunate enough to have
opportunities to play with a group like that for quite a few years. But I
can also remember some games I have particpated in that were less enjoyable
than not gaming at all.

Life is too short to play in a lousy campaign.


Vos MC,0876208

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David P. Summers (summers@remove_alum.mit.edu) wrote:
: Gwen, the fanged flower. wrote:
: > Reasons I'm not gaming (RPG that is): Just got here, have no car to get

: > outside the circle of friends in the immediate area (Sunnyvale/Mountain
: > View). Though, they do board game. :)

: Actually I don't have a car (I lost weight not having one and decided
: it was worth the inconvience) and I live in the same area. I do how


: rather than biking, usually get a ride form someone else who games
: (I GM a good number of the games so that incourages them to make sure
: I make it :-).

I don't have a car either, but then, I live in Amsterdam, and cars are
pretty much worthless here. Only one of my RPG friends has a car, but
he lives on the other side of the country, which isn't nearly as
urbanised as this side.

Bikes aren't just cheaper and healthier here, they're often faster and
more convenient too. Except when you're moving to a new house,
ofcourse.


ttfn,
mcv. <><

Jefferson Krogh

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"David P. Summers" wrote:

> Jefferson Krogh wrote:
> > Gator Games in San Mateo is within shouting distance of a Caltrain station,

> > even. Just watch out for the Pokemon rugrats; they yelp loud when you


> > inadvertantly step on them. ;-)
>

> The main issue is that I can get so much by mail. However, I could
> use a source of minitures (you really need to see them). How is
> their selection?

Not bad at all. They carry tons by GW (naturally), and a healthy selection of
Ral Partha, Reaper, RAFM, and several other brands. Their stock is scattered
between three walls and two or three spinner racks, plus a bookshelf. I've
picked up some ancient Greyhawk minis there this year. They carry a lot of
scenery stuff, a good selection of paint, and even better...just ask Jean for
your favorite catalog, and she'll place special orders for you, and often at a
discount.

What they don't carry: historicals, 15mm, that kind of thing. (Though she is
more than willing to get them for you.)

For such a small store, it sure packs in an awful lot, though.

Frank J. Perricone

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On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:00:01 GMT, "Michael T. Richter" <m...@ottawa.com>
wrote:

> > Well, until the little problem with the DA's office is cleared up,


> > that's my story, and I'm sticking to it... ;-)
>
> Fucking lawyers get in the way of all forms of justice, don't they?

That all depends on how you fuck 'em.

(Did I really type that?)

Robert Baldwin

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On 24 Sep 1999 03:31:16 GMT, kami...@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu (Mark
'Kamikaze' Hughes) wrote:

>Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:43 -0400: in <37E8DFA3...@myriad.net>,
>"Frank T. Sronce" <fsr...@myriad.net> spake:
>> Yeah, I used to know a gamer who always insisted that "3) Getting laid"
>>was an acceptable excuse. What a weirdo.
>
> You know, there are applications of role-playing in sex. Further
>details are probably inappropriate for some age groups around, though,
>since this is being posted to .dnd.

Oh, that's OK, we accept the childishness of .misc readily enough.
You're like family. Well, foster-kids, maybe. But close enough.

Justin Bacon

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In article <37e97d47...@news.chc.ihug.co.nz>, pjf...@ihug.co.nz (Fitz)
writes:

>Getting laid? OK, so it might justify taking a break for those 30 or
>40 seconds, but there's no reason why the gaming session couldn't
>carry on.

It's for reasons like this that I think discussing your sex life in a public
forum is a big mistake.

Justin Bacon
tr...@prairie.lakes.com

Jason Thompson

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If anyone is interested, I'm running a D&D campaign on Tuesday nights in
south-of-Market San Francisco and we need some more non-aggressive,
non-power-hungry players. I drew a comic book adaptation of H.P. Lovecraft's
THE DREAM-QUEST OF UNKNOWN KADATH fantasy novel about a year ago and the
campaign is sort of based on Lovecraft's Dreamlands (although not totally).
If anyone's interested, send me some e-mail at "ja...@sonic.net"!

Jason Thompson

Smokestack Jones

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Jason Thompson wrote:

Smokestack here,

Sorry to say I moved to Oklahoma earlier this year, as I'd love to play with yer
group, BUT I am iterested in getting/seeing a copy of yer comic. Is it
published? if so, who's the publisher? As a big fan of HPL, I always thought
he'd make great comic fodder.

-Smokestack Jones
On the Road

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