RESULT: rec.games.frp.industry passes 174:32
Jani Patokallio
RESULT
unmoderated group rec.games.frp.industry passes 174:32
There were 174 YES votes and 32 NO votes, for a total of 206 valid votes.
There was 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
rec.games.frp.industry Roleplaying industry & companies.
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Apr 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Alistair J. R. Young <ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk>
Proponent: Joel Hahn <aa...@anet-chi.com>
Proponent: Jean McGuire <jmcg...@wtsoft.com>
Proponent: Larry Smith <l...@zk3.dec.com>
Mentor: Kate Weizel <ka...@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu>
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpat...@alpha.hut.fi>
RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.industry
There currently exists a great deal of discussion, in the
rec.games.frp.* hierarchy, the alt.games.* hierarchy, and elsewhere,
of issues which impact the RPG industry as a whole, and which relate
to the actions by and situations of the various specific companies
which make up that industry. Many times, these actions, situations,
and discussions have only tangential impact on the various games
themselves, and as such could be considered off-topic in the groups
which discuss certain games and gameplay.
Currently, this industry/company discussion is *technically* only
on-topic in rec.games.frp.misc (since all other charters mention
discussion of *games* as being on-topic), but current practice is to
ignore that and discuss matters relating to a company (but not
necessarily its games) in the group that discusses the company's
game(s); often, this discussion is also cross-posted to
rec.games.frp.misc.
A considerable number of readers of the groups in question have
expressed the sentiment that they are not interested in such
discussion, and only read the groups for the gaming discussion.
However, such industry discusiion is not explicitly off-topic in the
charters of the gaming groups and is clearly of interest to a good
number of people. Therefore, creating a new venue for this discussion
seems to be in the best interest of all parties.
CHARTER: rec.games.frp.industry
rec.games.frp.industry is for discussions relating to the role-playing
game industry, as well as the specific companies that make up that
industry.
Topics appropriate for discussion include, but are not limited to:
* The history of the industry and the companies that make it up.
* The state of the industry and the companies that make it up.
* The future of the industry and the companies that make it up.
* The state of various companies' relations with their customers.
* The apparent "production values" of specific companies and the
industry as a whole, including the prices, layout, artwork, etc.
* Specific companies' "codes of ethics" and other self-censoring,
as well as industry-wide ratings systems.
* Accusations by the media or "interest groups" of a link between
RPGs and cults or criminal actions, and how companies and the
industry respond to said accusations.
* How international copyright, trademark, and patent laws can impact
the RPG industry and its customers.
* Various companies' on-line policies, especially regarding the above
concerns of copyright and fan-created materials.
* Other "shop talk" by company representatives & interested customers.
The above topics will be off-topic in the rest of the rec.games.frp.*
hierarchy; cross-posting should be used for redirection purposes and
should be kept to a minimum.
Topics which are deemed inappropriate include:
* Non-industry/non-company-related discussion, or game-related
discussion which belongs in r.g.f.misc or in a more appropriate
rec.games.frp.* newsgroup.
* Announcements of web sites, which belong in rec.games.frp.announce.
Discussions of an RPG company's web pages' layout & content, though,
are still be on-topic.
* Posts which would be off-topic in *any* of the rec.games.frp.*
newsgroups, including most binaries and encoded texts, spams, scams,
Make Money Fast, Good Times Virus, general advertisements, computer
game or MUD related posts, general advertisements, and the like.
This charter will be enforced through cooperation, mutual respect,
and peer pressure when necessary. Anyone who willfully persists in
violating the newsgroup's charter will in all likelihood eventually be
asked, by the newsgroup's regular participants, to stop posting. If
further sanctions are necessary, they will be discussed with the
offender personally, with the offender's postmaster or ISP, and then
in news.admin.net-abuse.misc if it comes to that.
END CHARTER.
rec.games.frp.industry Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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aa...@anet-chi.com Joel Hahn
aber...@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de Alexander Bernert
a...@pi.net R.M. Ahsmann
al...@magna.com.au Damian Lund
am-lo...@usa.net Antonio Mario Lorusso
amo...@avalon.net James Robinson
an...@lafn.org Steven Anderson
And...@morte.demon.co.uk Andrew Mortimore
arc...@elisium.com Luiz Claudio Duarte
ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk Alistair J. R. Young
bab...@writeme.com Peter Buchy
b...@succeed.net Benjamin Stockton
bj...@cornell.edu Bryan J. Maloney
bkk...@tamaix.tamu.edu Ben K. Krauskof
BLA...@MARSHALL.EDU Zach Blagg
bnit...@u.washington.edu William Nitsche
bo...@ch.hp.com Eric Boyd
br...@kenosis.com Bruce Baugh
Bryan....@worldnet.att.net Bryan Gardner
bu...@laforia.ibp.fr Stephane Bura
c.pa...@clear.net.nz Chris
Chb...@cris.com Christopher H. Baer
che...@ix.netcom.REMOVETHIS.com Mark P. Ludwig
chri...@ifi.uio.no Christian K. Kielland
cinn...@one.net R. N. Dominick
Coc...@aol.com Bob
cp...@midway.uchicago.edu Corey Liss
cro...@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us Don Croyle
cur...@netcom.com Curtis Shenton
CVr...@aol.com Joe Schafer
d90...@nada.kth.se Thomas Wolmer
d95...@sm.luth.se Kristofer Wårell
d9...@efd.lth.se Staffan Johansson
dag...@indy.net Duke A. Egbert
daniel....@infoboard.be Daniel Rybowski
dank...@wfu.edu Kirt A. Dankmyer
dav...@os6.epc.lmms.lmco.com David Kristola
dbo...@practicom.com David Boyle
dco...@clark.net David Conner
des...@netcom.netcom.com Max Fellwalker
dha...@golden.net Dave Harper
d...@kesmai.com Dave Weinstein
dmck...@prairienet.org Donald McKinney
DMD...@ACS.TAMU.EDU D Merrill Dane
dno...@umich.edu David Nowell
donf...@pitt.edu Don Fnordlioni
doug...@waikato.ac.nz Douglas L. Davey
DRAG...@delphi.com Al Curtis
dur...@best.com Bryant Durrell
epu...@osf1.gmu.edu Eric Putnam
er4...@anti-spam.bessel.tutech.fi Ella Rajamaki
er...@pip.dknet.dk Erwin S. Andreasen
eut...@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke
fami...@mindspring.com Edmund Shaw
fil...@filterhh.Hanse.DE J. Filter
fra...@ozemail.com.au P.D. Richardson
fra...@sbs.de Franke
g.ga...@ags.fr G. Garnier
ghost...@aol.com Ann Dupuis
goo...@sfu.ca Chuk Goodin
gt3...@prism.gatech.edu Richard Campbell
gtru...@iconz.co.nz Rupert Boleyn
HDIA...@aol.com
her...@access.digex.net Michael Houghton
hi...@midway.uchicago.edu Kenneth Allen Hite
ho...@mathp7.jussieu.fr Hubert HOLIN
hols...@tdsi.net Larry D. Hols
I170...@VM.SC.EDU Jason Etheridge
ibo...@tpgi.com.au Ian Bowley
ir...@rempt.xs4all.nl Irina Rempt
iron...@imsa.edu Adam S. Rajski
jach...@white-wolf.com Justin R. Achilli
Ja...@hogshead.demon.co.uk James Wallis
jas...@mail.fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor
ja...@ux6.cso.uiuc.edu verkuilen john v
JCBu...@sff.net John C. Bunnell
jcle...@aa.net Jonathan Clemens
jdf...@cybernothing.org
jeb...@mail.bright.net Jason Bock
jfle...@atcon.com John Fleming
jo...@aoc.nrao.edu Jim Ogle
joh...@cgl.org John Abbe
Kama...@aol.com Lon Braidwood
ka...@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu Katharine E. Weizel
keb...@achilles.net Krishna E. Bera
ki...@dhp.com the one and only real true kibo
ki...@netcom.com Kim DeVaughn
kir...@netcom.com Kirby Krueger
kmar...@crossover.com Kevin J. Maroney
l...@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith
lev0...@kisokou10.ex.ecip.osaka-u.ac.jp sakai naoko
ljro...@netcom.com Lawrence Rounds
loi...@io.com Tim Isakson
mab...@stout.entertain.com Meera Barry
mage...@infinet.com Mark Middleton
mbla...@ix.netcom.com Matthew Blackwell
MC4...@mclink.it Paolo Marino
MC...@aol.com Michael Gerard
mg...@heliograph.com Matt Goodman
Michael...@cl.cam.ac.uk Michael Norrish
mi...@pharlap.com Michael Feldhusen
m...@io.com Mitchell J. Gross
mkku...@genetics.washington.edu Mary K. Kuhner
mlkn...@mindspring.com Michelle Knight
MLMA...@coe.edu Matthew Martin
ml...@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mr. M.J. Lush
mohj...@admin.humberc.on.ca Justin Mohareb
mor...@newton.crisp.net John Morrow
msa...@mail.myriad.net Mike Sands
msel...@ricochet.net Michael Sellers
neal_...@rand.org Neal Sofge
ne...@clo.com Neil H. Watson
ni...@multipro.com Nick West
nick_m...@e-mail.com Nicholas Meredith
noo...@bmi.net David Noonan
nsch...@willamette.edu Nick Scholtz
o...@lynx.bc.ca C P Sian
pa...@alleg.edu Asa
par...@io.com Abd Al-Azrad
pa...@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
pe...@sans.vuw.ac.nz Peter Shackleton
Phillip...@baylor.edu Phil Rhodes
pie...@rahul.net Pierre Uszynski
pime...@ultranet.com J Pimentel
piro...@labyrinth.net.au Ashley Pirovich
pl...@io.com David Bolack
pmi...@spamblocker.linkeasy.net Peter Miller
po...@is.rice.edu Christopher Pound
p...@foreverworld.com Jim Laughlin
pre...@io.com Darin Eblom
pspro...@ntsource.com Philip Proefrock
rap...@innotts.co.uk Michael Lane
ra...@dryland.mandarin.org Donald J.A. Redick
r...@ican.net Robin D. Laws
rhi...@erols.com Jeffrey A. Ruszczyk
ric...@anduril.demon.co.uk Richard Poffley
ric...@tga.anti-spam.u-net.com Richard Gadsden
r...@battleaxe.demon.co.uk Rob Hayward
rob...@alpha1.phoenix.net Robbie Westmoreland
rog...@lix.intercom.es Roger Sen Montero
rosm...@pinkinc.com H. A. Rosman
sco...@rmi.net Lee Scott
scy...@u.washington.edu Dan Shiovitz
sedg...@wsunix.wsu.edu David Sedgwick
sjcal...@odyssey.on.ca Scott Caldwell
skr...@netcom.com Sean K Reynolds
SL...@cc.usu.edu Nathan Baker
son...@ruby2.hanmesoft.co.kr Soonmyung. Hong
spyk...@worldnet.att.net Ross Winn
s...@MIT.EDU S. Tucker
ste...@magenta.com STella
steve...@pobox.com Steve Barr
ste...@spam.is.evil.sprynet.com Steven Taylor
Thomas....@Eng.Sun.COM Thomas Granvold
thomas...@cpmx.saic.com T. Kurt Bond
tho...@csd.uu.se Thomas Lindgren
timc...@ici.net Timothy P. Coyle
Towo...@concentric.net Jason Hatter
tpi...@eskimo.com Jonathan Mines
tpo...@anet-stl.com Todd Porter
vam...@wam.umd.edu Jack Dracula
v...@airmail.net Michael Brockwell
ver...@dreamscape.com Vernon L. McCandlish
vi...@educ.ubc.ca Vicki Domansky
v...@lucent.cb.lucent.com Vincent Guinto
watte...@osu.edu Coyt D. Watters
were...@plaza.snu.ac.kr Sungil Kim
wiz...@blackhole.dimensional.com Stephen Wales
wrig...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU RICHARD WRIGHT
wts...@hotmail.com Wintertree Software (Jean McGuire)
w_m...@primenet.com Walt Mazur
xant...@well.com Kent Paul Dolan
zimm...@informatik.uni-muenchen.de Alexander Zimmermann
zo...@Alaska.NET Brian Myers
Voted No
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10466...@compuserve.com Drew Novick
afa...@brokenarrow.us.itd.umich.edu Andrew Fabbro
Arca...@aol.com Aric Ebare
awes...@netcom.com Allen Wessels
Ba...@catskill.net Ronald
bo...@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
ehil...@cs.indiana.edu erik hilsdale
f...@rice.edu Jeremy T. Fox
gpr9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan
hac...@texas.net Andrew Hackard
iris...@worldnet.att.net Anthony Ragan
jga...@halcyon.com Jose Garcia
keith...@juno.com Keith Barber
mag...@juno.com Roland Caron
mik...@netti.fi Mika Elmeranta
m...@iberia.cca.rockwell.com Michael Cook
nes...@dilbert.shawnee.edu Michael Donohue
pa...@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
psych...@aol.com Warren J. Dew
q921...@helios.usq.edu.au Christoph Donges
rbal...@rio.SPAMBLOCK.com Robert Baldwin
rich...@vcn.bc.ca Richard Songhurst
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
R...@technologist.com Thomas Moll
r...@ior.com Bob blanchard
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
sta...@stamper.com Chris Stamper
stei...@primenet.com Jason Steiner
stu...@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz stuart yeates
svi...@saratoga.compassnet.com Stephen Victor
UCP...@UNLVM.UNL.EDU Douglas J. Evans
z...@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming
Votes in error
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Matthew R Blackwell
In <8606657...@isc.org> Jani Patokallio <jpat...@alpha.hut.fi>
writes:
> RESULT
> unmoderated group rec.games.frp.industry passes 174:32
Well, nice timing on this one, huh? Welcome to
rec.games.frp.WOTC_and-TSR.talk.
Karen J. Cravens
In article <5ike61$s...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
mbla...@ix.netcom.com(Matthew R Blackwell) wrote:
>In <8606657...@isc.org> Jani Patokallio <jpat...@alpha.hut.fi>
>writes:
>>
>> unmoderated group rec.games.frp.industry passes 174:32
>
>rec.games.frp.WOTC_and-TSR.talk.
Nah. It won't exist for another week or so, by which time the
conversation will have gotten firmly entrenched here, so it won't
do us a darn bit of good...
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