Is Hasbro God?
Patrick M. Berry
> Lizard wrote:
> >
> > Why is acting in self-interest considered inherently immoral? If it is
> > immoral to care for yourself, then, the most moral man on Earth would be he
> > who first destroyed everything he loved, and then killed himself in a slow
> > and hideously gruesome fashion...
>
> Has anyone done a religion based on this?
This is probably going to get me flamed to a crisp, but isn't Christianity
pretty close? Its central figure didn't destroy everything he loved or
commit suicide, but he did abandon his trade, choose a life of poverty, and
finally give himself up to be killed in a slow and hideously gruesome fashion.
Self-denial and sacrifice are central tenets of the Christian faith. This
is not an attack on Christianity, just an observation.
Terry Austin
Patrick M. Berry <ber...@aur.alcatel.com> wrote in message
news:7uflnq$2rq$9...@aurwww.aur.alcatel.com...
> Self-denial and sacrifice are central tenets of the Christian faith. This
> is not an attack on Christianity, just an observation.
>
Pity you don't know anything about Christianity. If you did,
you might make *accurate* observations.
Terry Austin
Catherine Stanton
are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
ZooBear
Terry Austin
Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
> Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
sacrifice
> are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
Self sacrifice is something completely different
Terry Austin
Brian Stewart
So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
BAS, an agnostic
Michael Brown
Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
news:380BFF...@facstaff.wisc.edu...
> So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
Godo luck getting something like that out of Terry!
Such an answer cannot be cut and pasted from an online reference, and is
therefore beyond him.
-Michael
Christopher Adams
>>>sacrifice are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the
>>>cross FOR US!
>>
>>Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
>>was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
>
>So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
That humans are born sinful; that only through Christ can we reach God and have
our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
trappings.
--
Christopher Adams, a Wiccan.
A man of no fortune, and with a name to come.
Vice-President SUTEKH 2000
Librarian PAGUS 2000
The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot.
Jesus said to them, "Who do you say that I am?"
They replied, "You are the eschatological
manifestation of the ground of our being, the kerygma
of which we find the ultimate meaning in our
interpersonal relationships." And Jesus said, "What?"
Do thou unto others - and then split.
Paul Glenn
Christopher Adams wrote:
> That humans are born sinful; that only through Christ can we reach God and have
> our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
> trappings.
What about the beatitudes? And loving your neighbor as much as yourself?
Those things certain offer a duty to charity and compassion, and they come from the
same Gospels as the things you mentioned.
Brian Stewart
>
> >>>Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
> >>>sacrifice are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the
> >>>cross FOR US!
> >>
> >>Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> >>was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> >>Self sacrifice is something completely different.
> >
> >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
>
> our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
> trappings.
>
> Christopher Adams, a Wiccan.
Thanks, but what I am really curious about is what Terry Austin thinks
they are, since he brought up what they aren't.
I am betting that T.A. won't answer, since all he seems interested in is
calling other people idiots.
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> news:380BFF...@facstaff.wisc.edu...
>
>
> Such an answer cannot be cut and pasted from an online reference, and is
> therefore beyond him.
>
> -Michael
I know, that's why I asked! :-)
I am kind of curious whether he will: a) ignore the question, or, b)
call me an idiot, moron, or some other such insult for not knowing in
the first place (ignoring that I have stated that I am an agnostic, not
a Christian), and not answer the question. There is a remote
possibility that he will come up with something else (and still not
answer the question), but those two are his standard response (or lack
of one).
BAS
Michael Brown
> > Godo luck getting something like that out of Terry!
> >
<mister burns voice>
Eeexxxxxxcellent
</mister burns voice>
-Michael
Terry Austin
> > > So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> >
> >
and is
> > therefore beyond him.
> >
> > -Michael
Yeah, Mickey, we know how impartial you are on the
subject.
>
> I know, that's why I asked! :-)
>
> I am kind of curious whether he will: a) ignore the question, or, b)
> call me an idiot, moron, or some other such insult for not knowing in
> the first place (ignoring that I have stated that I am an agnostic, not
> a Christian), and not answer the question. There is a remote
> possibility that he will come up with something else (and still not
> answer the question), but those two are his standard response (or lack
> of one).
>
If you really want to know, go ask a priest. I'm not a teacher,
and I'm not your mother.
And you're far more amusing if I don't tell you.
(You might ask around about be before getting into
a namecalling contest with me.)
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> Christopher Adams wrote:
> >
> > >>>Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
> > >>>sacrifice are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the
> > >>>cross FOR US!
> > >>
> > >>Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> > >>was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> > >>Self sacrifice is something completely different.
> > >
> >
and have
> > our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
> > trappings.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Adams, a Wiccan.
>
> Thanks, but what I am really curious about is what Terry Austin thinks
> they are, since he brought up what they aren't.
>
> I am betting that T.A. won't answer, since all he seems interested in is
> calling other people idiots.
>
What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
Terry Austin
Michael Brown
Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:7uicad$1m...@enews3.newsguy.com...
> > > > So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> > >
> > >
> > > Such an answer cannot be cut and pasted from an online reference,
> > > and is therefore beyond him.
>
<grin> Good old Terry - if someone makes a point, change the subject!
Have fun.
-Michael
Frank T. Sronce
> >
> I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
>
> What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
>
> Terry Austin
Well, I guess there's the pleasure of watching the "Doh!" expression
spread across their face as they realize how dumb what they've been
saying must've sounded, but you'd really have to meet them in person to
get the benefit.
Kiz
Terry Austin
Frank T. Sronce <fsr...@myriad.net> wrote in message
news:380CB9BB...@myriad.net...
likely.
There's also the matter of great pleasure short-lived, or
less pleasure for a looong time.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Michael Brown <mik...@newton.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:#qJ8bVmG$GA.169@cpmsnbbsa02...
You've been avoiding confronting your own ignorance
about Christianity for at least two years now, right
here on Usenet.
And when someone *does* throw it in your face, you
just plain lie about it.
Which makes you a *lot* of fun.
Terry Austin
Paul Glenn
ed...@best.NOSPAM.com wrote:
> In rec.games.frp.misc Paul Glenn <gle...@northnet.net> wrote:
> % What about the beatitudes? And loving your neighbor as much as yourself?
> % Those things certain offer a duty to charity and compassion, and they come from the
> % same Gospels as the things you mentioned.
>
> I think that my evangelical Christian friend (who, irrationally, is doing
> missionary work instead of making far more money as a computer type) would
> say that those things come from Christ, and are a product of believing in
> him, rather than a separate prerequisite for salvation. (ie, the ol' Faith
> vs. Good Works debate.)
That is a key theological debate, but it seems highly problematic to me. How can one
believe in Christ but not do the things he says (or at least atttempt to do them)? That
would imply that one could be a brutal murderer who enjoys torturing children, but who
believes in Christ, and would therefore achieve salvation. I don't think this makes
sense.
David Roberts
Paul Glenn wrote in message <380CEEE6...@northnet.net>...
debate. The debate comes down to who does redemption stem from; you or God?
The New Testament states that God, unilaterally, gave his Son as the perfect
Sacrifice of Atonement for Sin. This, in turn, re-established our
relationship with Him. We can do good works and try to avoid sin, but
without recognizing God or accepting his sacrifice, we are lost. Thus, our
actions do not save us; our acceptance of his forgiveness and our repentance
of sin saves us. The best analogy I can think of is a man trapped in
quicksand. We can either accept His help to get us out of the quicksand or
sink and die. Our efforts are not the key; His offer of salvation is the
key. Sometimes, for whatever the reason, we let go of the rope and start
sinking again. He does, however, offer it to us again.
Repentance is an important part of this as well. Repentance requires that
we acknowledge our action as sin, turn away from it, and accept His
forgiveness. We may still commit sin, but we should repent. Without
repentance, you're questioning God's authority (something He doesn't take
lightly). In your example, a person who states that they believe in Christ
but does not repent sin is lost. Just because you profess faith in Christ
does not make you a Christian. If you continue to commit sin without
repentance, you are a slave to sin and are lost.
Just thought you might need some clarification on the subject. I noticed
the post and felt compelled to respond. Most people do not know
Christianity; there are too many poor examples in society and many people
are taught incorrectly through the bad examples set by some who profess but
do not believe. To truly understand Christianity, you have to read and
study the Bible (both New and Old Testaments). The Bible has to be looked
at as a whole, not just as isolated parts. Some only study the New
Testament and miss the significance of events that are tied to the Old
Testament. Afterall, Jesus stated He came "not to abolish the law, but to
fulfill it." True Christianity is based on Christ coming to fulfill the
need of humanity to re-establish their relationship with God.
Terry Austin
Christopher Adams <ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote in message
news:380c...@nexus.comcen.com.au...
> > I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
> >
> > What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
>
>
> Oh, yeah. I forget who I'm dealing with :)
>
> Love ya work, Terry.
>
Exactly. the satisfaction of a job well done depends
entirely on just what job you think you're doing.
Terry Austin
Brian R. Rimmer
<ed...@best.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:380cfedf$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com...
> In rec.games.frp.industry Paul Glenn <gle...@northnet.net> wrote:
> % That is a key theological debate, but it seems highly problematic to
> % me. How can one believe in Christ but not do the things he says (or at
> % least atttempt to do them)? That would imply that one could be a brutal
> % murderer who enjoys torturing children, but who believes in Christ, and
> % would therefore achieve salvation. I don't think this makes sense.
>
> I think he'd argue that being a brutal murderer who enjoys torturing
> children probably hasn't let Christ into his life, but merely thinks he
has.
> Or something like that.
>
> Otherwise, however, he's of the faith alone school, and AFAICT, admitting
> that you are a sinner and then accepting Christ as saviour are the only
two
> prerequisites for salvation.
>
Paul Glenn
ed...@best.NOSPAM.com wrote:
> I think he'd argue that being a brutal murderer who enjoys torturing
> children probably hasn't let Christ into his life, but merely thinks he has.
> Or something like that.
>
> Otherwise, however, he's of the faith alone school, and AFAICT, admitting
> that you are a sinner and then accepting Christ as saviour are the only two
> prerequisites for salvation.
Those two paragraphs taken together are interesting. One says that all you
have to do is accept Christ. The other says that if you're a murder you really
*haven't* accepted Christ into your life. It sounds like the defintion of
"faith" here is "acts like Christ." So maybe the "faith alone" and "good works"
positions aren't that different (at least in this case). But I may be
misreading what you wrote.
I think I've about reached the limits of my theological knowledge, but it's
been kind of interesting. And we're not screaming at each other, which is rare
in usenet.
Terry Austin
>Terry Austin wrote:
>>
>> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
>> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
>> sacrifice
>> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
>>
>> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
>> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
>> Self sacrifice is something completely different
>>
>> Terry Austin
>
>So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
>
Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
Ask a priest.
--
Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com> http://www.hyperbooks.com
"Terry's an artist and a master chemist; he can set fire to water."
--Sea Wasp, rec.arts.sf.written
Christopher Adams
>
> What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
The satisfaction of a job well d -
Oh, yeah. I forget who I'm dealing with :)
Love ya work, Terry.
--
Christopher Adams
Robert Baldwin
<mik...@newton.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>news:380C93...@facstaff.wisc.edu...
>> > Godo luck getting something like that out of Terry!
>> >
>> I know, that's why I asked! :-)
>
> <mister burns voice>
> Eeexxxxxxcellent
> </mister burns voice>
>
If you're Burns, does that make Terry Smithers?
;-)
--
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Brian Stewart
>
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >
> I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
>
> What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
>
<shrug> And I am having fun at your expense, so?
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
<snip>
> > possibility that he will come up with something else (and still not
> > answer the question), but those two are his standard response (or lack
> > of one).
> >
> If you really want to know, go ask a priest. I'm not a teacher,
> and I'm not your mother.
>
> And you're far more amusing if I don't tell you.
>
> (You might ask around about be before getting into
> a namecalling contest with me.)
>
> Terry Austin
You answered just as predicted, you realise.
BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
Austin or you initials, T.A.?
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Terry Austin wrote:
> >>
> >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
> >> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
> >> sacrifice
> >> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
> >>
> >> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> >> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> >> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> >>
> >> Terry Austin
> >
> >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> >
> Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
>
> Ask a priest.
>
Does that make you a Catholic?
BAS
Christopher Adams
> study the Bible (both New and Old Testaments). The
> Bible has to be looked at as a whole, not just as
> isolated parts.
I was floored tonight on this point, actually. I was discussing the play "Corpus
Christi" with a friend of a friend (see my post to the "Anti-D&D zealotry"
thread for details), and she came out with the statement that the whole point of
the Jewish religion was that they had no God.
As you might well be able to imagine, the only response I could make for a long
time was "That is the single most asinine thing I have EVER heard." This girl,
who I must presume is a Christian from her objections to the play, had no idea
about the religious and historical background to her own faith! The very fact
that someone could read the Old Testament - or, in this case, the Hebrew Bible -
and make such a statement causes me mental anguish of the highest order.
Every so often my faith in humanity is severely challenged.
Frank T. Sronce
>
> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:25:53 -0700, "Michael Brown"
> <mik...@newton.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >news:380C93...@facstaff.wisc.edu...
> >> > Godo luck getting something like that out of Terry!
> >> >
> >> I know, that's why I asked! :-)
> >
> > <mister burns voice>
> > Eeexxxxxxcellent
> > </mister burns voice>
> >
>
> If you're Burns, does that make Terry Smithers?
> ;-)
>
> --
> Saint Baldwin, Definer of the Unholy Darkspawn
Hm. Lots of short, smartass replies to stuff. No, Terry would be
Bart.
Kiz
:-)
Bryan J. Maloney
Nah, it makes him short.
Bryan J. Maloney
accepted without question in the West is looked at VERY askance in
Orthodox Christianity. For example, were an Orthodox Bishop to come along
and start teaching the theology of Anselm, he would certainly risk a
synodical reprimand, at the very least.
Anselmic theology is predicated on the premise that Christ's death was
demanded by the "Justice of God", which is some kind of Necessity that
cannot be denied, even by God. That is, if God's Honor is offended, not
even the complete extermination of the entire human race would have
sufficed to salve His wounded Pride. Only the killing of God suffices.
The Orthodox Church does not take matters to such an extreme, although at
least some Western Christians would insist that an Anselmic interpretation
was a "central tenet".
Bryan J. Maloney
<gle...@northnet.net> wrote:
> That is a key theological debate, but it seems highly problematic to
me. How can one
> believe in Christ but not do the things he says (or at least atttempt to do
My Church would say that one cannot. Indeed, the Bible explicitly states
that even demons have a type of "belief in" Christ, but they are still
evil. Salvific belief goes beyond acknowledgement of doctrine.
Bryan J. Maloney
<23sk...@ixpres.com> wrote:
> Folks, it is a very good thing that there are alternatives to christianity.
Like your own bigotry?
Bryan J. Maloney
<ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote:
> That humans are born sinful; that only through Christ can we reach God
and have
> our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
> trappings.
>
> --
> Christopher Adams, a Wiccan.
Note the above: He identifies himself as not being Christian after
presuming to tell the world what the central tenets of Christianity are.
So, does that mean you have no trouble with the fundy sites that try to
tell the world what the central tenets of Wicca are?
Bryan J. Maloney
> BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
> Austin or you initials, T.A.?
Isn't that sufficient insult in and of itself?
(Yes, Terry, I already know that my initials can be "BM".)
Bryan J. Maloney
<gle...@northnet.net> wrote:
> "faith" here is "acts like Christ." So maybe the "faith alone" and
"good works"
> positions aren't that different (at least in this case). But I may be
The entire non-issue controversy is actually over a gross distortion of
doctrine that arose in the West by the 15th century. The Roman Church had
begun to act as if one could "make up" for any matter of horrible acts by
means of doing good afterwards. This was, in part, the reason why so many
nobles might deed land or funds to the Church upon their death. The
doctrine of "works" wasn't necessarily officially *taught* but it seems to
have been tolerated.
To attempt to correct this, the Reformers went too far to the other
extreme--denying any and all salvific value to what one did. Thus, a
local solution to a local problem became enshrined out of historical
context.
Bryan J. Maloney
<caro...@bright.net> wrote:
> do not believe. To truly understand Christianity, you have to read and
> study the Bible (both New and Old Testaments). The Bible has to be looked
But not just the Bible. There is a vast body of hermeneutically valuable
supplementary material, some of which goes back to the times of the
earliest known manuscripts for Scripture.
Bryan J. Maloney
<ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote:
> thread for details), and she came out with the statement that the whole
point of
> the Jewish religion was that they had no God.
<twitch> <twitch>
URH?????
Even *I* haven't come across that one, before, and I thought I'd heard 'em
all from the various small protestant groups, from neo-arians to
neo-gnostics, to chiliastic monist neo-arian neo-nestorian neo-gnosticism.
David Alex Lamb
As an educator, I'd have said: the joy of seeing someone come to understand
something they didn't before. But maybe that requires face-to-face
interaction?
--
"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/
David Alex Lamb
Since Terry has said he won't answer, let me suggest:
C.S Lewis wrote a small book on the subject in the middle of the current
century. It's listed at Amazon.com, and probably elsewhere:
Mere Christianity : Comprising the Case for Christianity, Christian Behaviour,
and Beyond Personality (C.S. Lewis Classics). IMHO it remains the best book
on the subject; some others, like John Stott's "Basic Christianity", set their
sites on explaining a smaller subset of the material.
He meant the "mere" to mean "without most of the theology tacked on" and
admitted that several theologians of various persuasions would have emphasized
certain things more than he did. During his time Lewis was among the most
well-known "apologists" - people who explain Christianity to outsiders.
Werebat
>
> Terry Austin looked up from his copy of Dianetics and wrote:
> >
> > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>
> > >
> > I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
> >
> >
>
>
> BAS
Actually, Terry is wrong. There's a lot of entertainment value in
education. So long as you leave out key information. Hee hee.
- Ron ^*^
The Chanteuse
No. Everyone knows that Murray is God.
The Chanteuse
Well, if that doesn't solidify me as a "Muray's people," I don't know what
does.
Michael Brown
Robert Baldwin <rbal...@rio.STOPSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > <mister burns voice>
> > Eeexxxxxxcellent
> > </mister burns voice>
> >
>
> If you're Burns, does that make Terry Smithers?
> ;-)
<quivers in horror>
-Michael
Michael Brown
Bryan J. Maloney <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:bjm10-20109...@potato.cit.cornell.edu...
Whohoo! Stick up for your faith! Anyone who thinks christianity is not
quite all-that-and-a-snapple is a bigot! That'll convince people of the
tolerance of your sect.
-Michael
David Roberts
Christopher Adams wrote in message <380d...@nexus.comcen.com.au>...
>> To truly understand Christianity, you have to read and
>> study the Bible (both New and Old Testaments). The
>> isolated parts.
>
>I was floored tonight on this point, actually. I was discussing the play
"Corpus
>Christi" with a friend of a friend (see my post to the "Anti-D&D zealotry"
point of
>the Jewish religion was that they had no God.
>
long
>time was "That is the single most asinine thing I have EVER heard." This
girl,
>who I must presume is a Christian from her objections to the play, had no
idea
>about the religious and historical background to her own faith! The very
fact
>that someone could read the Old Testament - or, in this case, the Hebrew
Bible -
>and make such a statement causes me mental anguish of the highest order.
>
>Every so often my faith in humanity is severely challenged.
>
>--
>Christopher Adams
>A man of no fortune, and with a name to come.
>Vice-President SUTEKH 2000
>Librarian PAGUS 2000
>
>The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot.
>
>Jesus said to them, "Who do you say that I am?"
>They replied, "You are the eschatological
>manifestation of the ground of our being, the kerygma
>of which we find the ultimate meaning in our
>interpersonal relationships." And Jesus said, "What?"
>
>Do thou unto others - and then split.
>
>
people who profess to be Christians really aren't. The idea that Jews don't
believe in God? What a neat concept. Here's one for her. Christ is more a
Jew than a Christian (although, being part of the Trinity adds a neat spin
on that argument). Christ did not commit sin. Christ didn't die for His
own sins; He died as a sacrifice of atonement. The central tenets of
Christianity include that Christ died for the atonement of OUR sins.
Jews obviously believe in God. I don't quite know where she got her
statement from. She might be thinking along the lines that Christians
believe that Jews are missing out in a closer, saving relationship with God.
But "Jews don't believe in God"? What a concept!
If you bring up that Christ really doesn't fit into the concept of being a
Christian like us she'll probably answer that obviously Christ believed in
Himself and therefore must be a Christian. Demons believe that Christ
exists. Does this make them Christians. NOPE. She's a person that really
needs to question what she believes. She probably really doesn't know what
she believes in, just what she doesn't like. She's in dire need of Bible
study.
Christopher Adams
Brett Evill
>
> In rec.games.frp.misc Bryan J. Maloney <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> % To attempt to correct this, the Reformers went too far to the other
> % extreme--denying any and all salvific value to what one did. Thus, a
> % local solution to a local problem became enshrined out of historical
> % context.
>
> I think the point is rather that good works are the result of, and a sign of
> Christ's influence in one's life. I'm pretty sure the relevant quote from
> Luther translates to something like "Faith without works is dead."
Luther himself must have been quoting. This is a well-known quote from
the general epistle of James 2:20. The point is made at length from
James 2:14 to 2:20.
I understand that SS. Paul and Augustine (of Hippo) disagreed. See Rom
3:28, 5:1-10, Galatians 2:16, and Ephesians 2:8.
Regards,
Brett Evill
Robert Baldwin
<bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>Terry Austin, fresh from auditing, wrote:
>>
>> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>
><snip>
>
>> > possibility that he will come up with something else (and still not
>> > answer the question), but those two are his standard response (or lack
>> > of one).
>> >
>> If you really want to know, go ask a priest. I'm not a teacher,
>> and I'm not your mother.
>>
>> And you're far more amusing if I don't tell you.
>>
>> (You might ask around about be before getting into
>> a namecalling contest with me.)
>>
>> Terry Austin
>
>You answered just as predicted, you realise.
>
>BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
>Austin or you initials, T.A.?
You *do* realize that Terry didn't say you *did* call him names, he
just advised you as to a course of action you should engage in
*befeore* getting into such a competition with him.
Attention to details *is* important if you want to play in Terry's
corner of the usenet sandbox.
Otherwise he'll have you arguining with yourself in about 4 posts.
--
Saint Baldwin, Definer of the Unholy Darkspawn
Robert Baldwin
<tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
>Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>>Terry Austin wrote:
>>>
>>> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
>>> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
>>> sacrifice
>>> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
>>>
>>> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
>>> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
>>> Self sacrifice is something completely different
>>>
>>> Terry Austin
>>
>>So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
>>
>Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
>
>Ask a priest.
Or a Christian.
<eg>
Robert Baldwin
<bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>Terry Austin wrote:
>>
>> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Terry Austin wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
>> >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
>> >> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
>> >> sacrifice
>> >> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
>> >>
>> >> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
>> >> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
>> >> Self sacrifice is something completely different
>> >>
>> >> Terry Austin
>> >
>> >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
>> >
>> Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
>>
>> Ask a priest.
>>
>
>Does that make you a Catholic?
Terry's an &^%hole, self-admitted. He worships at the alter of
obnoxiousness, and performs ritualistic sacrifices with anyone silly
enough to take him seriously.
Brian Stewart
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:40:28 -0500, Brian Stewart
> <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Terry Austin, fresh from auditing, wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >
> ><snip>
> >
>
<snip>
> >> Terry Austin
> >
> >You answered just as predicted, you realise.
> >
> >BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
> >Austin or you initials, T.A.?
>
> You *do* realize that Terry didn't say you *did* call him names, he
Actually, I do-- I just wanted to see if he thought I had. (It was just
an experiment.)
> just advised you as to a course of action you should engage in
> *befeore* getting into such a competition with him.
Yep.
> Attention to details *is* important if you want to play in Terry's
> corner of the usenet sandbox.
Or, you can just ignore it, like he often does. Either/or.
> Otherwise he'll have you arguining with yourself in about 4 posts.
>
Actually, I think in at least a few instances HE was arguing with
himself. The internet is a strange place.
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> Brian Stewart wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
> > >
> >
> > <shrug> And I am having fun at your expense, so?
> >
> > BAS
>
> Actually, Terry is wrong. There's a lot of entertainment value in
> education. So long as you leave out key information. Hee hee.
>
> - Ron ^*^
I take it that you are in college? :-)
BTW: the fun here is that Terry CAN'T answer the question! If he
answers it, he opens himself to the possibility that someone can tell
him that he is wrong, just as he did. (OTOH, there is the distinct
possiblilty that Terry doesn't know what he believes....)
Anyway, there is at least one obvious rule he doesn't believe in. I'll
leave it up to people to guess at.
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> In article <380D65...@facstaff.wisc.edu>, bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Terry Austin wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> > > >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
> > > >> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
> > > >> sacrifice
> > > >> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
> FOR US!
> > > >>
> > > >> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> > > >> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> > > >> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> > > >>
> > > >> Terry Austin
> > > >
> > > >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> > > >
> > > Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> > >
> > > Ask a priest.
> > >
> >
> > Does that make you a Catholic?
>
Short and stout? AAAARRRRRH! He's a HALFLING! Darn! and I though he
was a Troll! :-) Well, maybe he's a gnome-- I was never certain why
Halflings and Gnomes were two races-- kind of figured that it might be a
religious difference.
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:49:35 -0500, Brian Stewart
> <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Terry Austin wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Terry Austin wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> >> >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
>
<snip>
> >> Ask a priest.
> >>
> >
> >Does that make you a Catholic?
>
> Terry's an &^%hole, self-admitted. He worships at the alter of
> obnoxiousness, and performs ritualistic sacrifices with anyone silly
> enough to take him seriously.
>
Actually, I have been having fun with the rules by which he plays.
Asking him what he thought the centeral tenets were and what his
religion is are questions he can't answer under his rules, or he will
set himself up for the exact kind of attack he likes to make. Of
course, since I have stated this, he might answer them, or give the
appearance of answering them, just out of spite/contrariness (which I am
kind of curious to see if he will). He is kind of interesting in the
respect of seeing what exactly comes out based on what you put in. It
is also kind of fun to talk about him as if he isn't here, but that is
another story.
Anyway, I think we should elect a religion for him. I'm voting that he
should be a Scientologist-- he could have a lot of fun with L. Ron's
psuedo-science!
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> In article <jjQNOJQlhgG06f...@4ax.com>,
> Terry Austin <tas...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
> >>> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial and
> >>> sacrifice
> >>> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross FOR US!
> >>> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> >>> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> >>> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> >Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> >Ask a priest.
>
> priest to get this information, because not everybody agrees on what the
> central tenets of Christianity are and he has no way to know that he happened
> to pick a priest whose beliefs happen to match yours.
> --
> Ken Arromdee / arro...@rahul.net /
Yeah, and T.A. can't answer! He chose to dodge instead.
BAS
Brian Stewart
>
> In article <380BFF...@facstaff.wisc.edu>,
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> Since Terry has said he won't answer, let me suggest:
>
> C.S Lewis wrote a small book on the subject in the middle of the current
> century. It's listed at Amazon.com, and probably elsewhere:
> Mere Christianity : Comprising the Case for Christianity, Christian Behaviour,
> and Beyond Personality (C.S. Lewis Classics). IMHO it remains the best book
> on the subject; some others, like John Stott's "Basic Christianity", set their
> sites on explaining a smaller subset of the material.
>
> He meant the "mere" to mean "without most of the theology tacked on" and
> admitted that several theologians of various persuasions would have emphasized
> certain things more than he did. During his time Lewis was among the most
> well-known "apologists" - people who explain Christianity to outsiders.
> --
> "Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
> http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/
Well, I was pretty certain T.A. wouldn't answer-- he always likes to
attack and never defend (which, come to think of it, is one of the
tenets of Scientology, hmm).
I've actually been quite interested with how this thread has developed,
however. It is unfortunately rare to see one actually discuss a topic
instead of turning into a shouting match. In my own personal set of
beliefs I do put a value on learning what other people's beliefs are--
since there is a possibility that they might be better than mine.
I think I will look for the C.S. Lewis book.
Thanks,
BAS
Paul Sauberer
Brett Evill <b.e...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au> wrote in message
news:380E6E...@tyndale.apana.snipthis.org.au...
And Luther had a big problem with the Epistle of James. He wanted to drop it
from the canon.
Paul Sauberer
Robin Lim
David Alex Lamb <dal...@qucis.queensu.ca> wrote in message
news:7ul264$69v$1...@knot.queensu.ca...
> In article <380BFF...@facstaff.wisc.edu>,
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> >BAS, an agnostic
>
> admitted that several theologians of various persuasions would have
emphasized
> certain things more than he did. During his time Lewis was among the most
> well-known "apologists" - people who explain Christianity to outsiders.
If you have more of a grounding in philosophy, I recommend reading Soren
Kierkegaard. I'll recommend the Philosophical Fragments, because that's the
one I've read.
Rob
Christopher Adams
I'm hoping never to have to speak to her again, actually :)
Terry Austin
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:40:28 -0500, Brian Stewart
> <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Terry Austin, fresh from auditing, wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> > possibility that he will come up with something else (and still not
> >> > answer the question), but those two are his standard response (or
lack
> >> > of one).
> >> >
> >> If you really want to know, go ask a priest. I'm not a teacher,
> >> and I'm not your mother.
> >>
> >> And you're far more amusing if I don't tell you.
> >>
> >> (You might ask around about be before getting into
> >> a namecalling contest with me.)
> >>
> >
> >You answered just as predicted, you realise.
> >
> >BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
> >Austin or you initials, T.A.?
>
> You *do* realize that Terry didn't say you *did* call him names, he
> *befeore* getting into such a competition with him.
> corner of the usenet sandbox.
>
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:18:53 -0700, Terry Austin
>
> >Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>Terry Austin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> >>> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
and
> >>> sacrifice
> >>> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
FOR US!
> >>>
> >>> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> >>> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> >>> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> >>>
> >>
> >>So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> >>
> >
> >Ask a priest.
>
> <eg>
>
Or, if you want an utterly predictable answer, ask
Bobby here.
Terry Austin
Jefferson Krogh
> Robert Baldwin <rbal...@rio.STOPSPAM.com> wrote in message
You know, you guys are ruining my fun by warning people about Terry. One of
the main reasons I read Usenet is to cackle at the way he gets people chasing
their tails. What's next, the Terry Austin FAQ?
--
Jefferson Krogh, MCSE
IS Manager
Kennerley-Spratling, Inc.
Patrick M. Berry
>
> Patrick M. Berry <ber...@aur.alcatel.com> wrote in message
> news:7uflnq$2rq$9...@aurwww.aur.alcatel.com...
>
> > Self-denial and sacrifice are central tenets of the Christian faith. This
> > is not an attack on Christianity, just an observation.
> >
> Pity you don't know anything about Christianity. If you did,
> you might make *accurate* observations.
I'm quite willing to be corrected on this matter. Pity you didn't try to
do so.
Patrick M. Berry
> In article <7uic75$1m...@enews3.newsguy.com>,
> Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
>
> something they didn't before. But maybe that requires face-to-face
> interaction?
No, I derive the same joy from answering people's intelligent questions in
newsgroups. Clearly, not everyone has this experience.
Patrick M. Berry
> In article <380c...@nexus.comcen.com.au>, "Christopher Adams"
> <ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote:
>
> > That humans are born sinful; that only through Christ can we reach God
> and have
> > our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
> > trappings.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Adams, a Wiccan.
>
> Note the above: He identifies himself as not being Christian after
> presuming to tell the world what the central tenets of Christianity are.
This is an ad hominem attack. There is no reason why a non-Christian cannot
*understand* Christianity. In fact, the very idea is ludicrous. For one
thing, it would make evangelism impossible. (What's the point of trying to
explain Christianity to non-Christians, if they are inherently incapable of
grasping it?) It also ignores the fact that no one is *born* Christian; one
becomes Christian by learning the nature of the faith *before* accepting it.
> So, does that mean you have no trouble with the fundy sites that try to
> tell the world what the central tenets of Wicca are?
That would depend entirely on whether those sites get their facts right.
Patrick M. Berry
>
> I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
That being the case, what reason is there for anyone other than yourself
to read your posts? Just curious.
Frank T. Sronce
>
> You know, you guys are ruining my fun by warning people about Terry. One of
> the main reasons I read Usenet is to cackle at the way he gets people chasing
> their tails. What's next, the Terry Austin FAQ?
>
> --
> Jefferson Krogh, MCSE
> IS Manager
> Kennerley-Spratling, Inc.
14.5 Is Terry Austin for real?
No, in fact, Terry's posts are provided by a research group at the
University of Montana. The Austin Project is funded by the National
Institute of Mental Health, and provides experimental data to a wide
variety of psychology programs. The content of each post is decided by
committee and must pass through four stages of approval; once a given
post is approved it can be used as often as considered necessary by the
staff. Responses are tabulated and indexed by university personnel, and
are available via anonymous download from austin.montanau.edu.
Interested parties can apply for "Austin-Grants", which allow them to
suggest new posting topics and tabulate the results for their own
experimentation, but all such suggestions must still be approved by the
committee.
14.6 Why does Terry often post the same comment over and over again?
Generally for two reasons- first, the experiments which the Austin
Project conducts require a very large number of responses in order to
provide any statistically useful data. Thus many basically identical
postings must be made over a short period, generally in at least 4
newsgroups simultaneously. Most projects aim for at least 200 posts per
week; however the fact that their charter requires them to only post as
"Terry Austin" in response to other postings does mean that occasionally
insufficient responses are generated to produce any useful results.
However the project staff has become quite expert in post-design, and in
fiscal 98 only 12% of all posting streams (called "Terry Floods" by the
staff) failed to generate the requisite number of responses.
[Excerpt from the Terry Austin FAQ on the Univ. of Montana Psychology
Dept. homepage]
Terry Austin
> Werebat wrote:
> >
> > Brian Stewart wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BAS
> >
> > Actually, Terry is wrong. There's a lot of entertainment value in
> > education. So long as you leave out key information. Hee hee.
> >
> > - Ron ^*^
>
> I take it that you are in college? :-)
>
> BTW: the fun here is that Terry CAN'T answer the question! If he
> answers it, he opens himself to the possibility that someone can tell
> him that he is wrong, just as he did. (OTOH, there is the distinct
> possiblilty that Terry doesn't know what he believes....)
There's also the distinct possibility that I'm quite a bit
better at this kind of head-game than you are. And now
that you've been called on it, I win. But then, I always win.
Child psychology works better on children. If they want it
to.
>
> Anyway, there is at least one obvious rule he doesn't believe in. I'll
> leave it up to people to guess at.
>
The only rule I believe in is "no mercy to the slow and the
stupid."
Which are you?
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Jefferson Krogh <jeff...@skaldheim.com> wrote in message
news:380F4852...@skaldheim.com...
> Terry Austin wrote:
>
> > Robert Baldwin <rbal...@rio.STOPSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:380e0a42...@news.rio.com...
> > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:40:28 -0500, Brian Stewart
> > > <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > >You answered just as predicted, you realise.
> > > >
> > > >BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than
Terry
> > > >Austin or you initials, T.A.?
> > >
> > > You *do* realize that Terry didn't say you *did* call him names, he
> > > just advised you as to a course of action you should engage in
> > > *befeore* getting into such a competition with him.
> > > Attention to details *is* important if you want to play in Terry's
> > > corner of the usenet sandbox.
> > > Otherwise he'll have you arguining with yourself in about 4 posts.
> > >
> > Listen to Robert. He knows wereof he speaks.
> >
> > Terry Austin
>
of
> the main reasons I read Usenet is to cackle at the way he gets people
chasing
> their tails. What's next, the Terry Austin FAQ?
>
response rate? Usually increases it, if anything, plus
the significant increase in the quality as the little weenies
(like Specimen) feel their manhood (!) threatened,
and try to "teach me a lesson," i.e., prove they're
studlier than me.
The only limit on your entertainment right now is my
free time.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
>
> to read your posts? Just curious.
>
certainly don't read them.
Maybe you should ask Specimen?
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> Ken Arromdee wrote:
> >
> > In article <jjQNOJQlhgG06f...@4ax.com>,
> > Terry Austin <tas...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
and
> > >>> sacrifice
> > >>> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
FOR US!
> > >>> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> > >>> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> > >>> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> > >Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> > >Ask a priest.
> >
ask a
> > priest to get this information, because not everybody agrees on what the
> > central tenets of Christianity are and he has no way to know that he
happened
> > to pick a priest whose beliefs happen to match yours.
> > --
> > Ken Arromdee / arro...@rahul.net /
>
> Yeah, and T.A. can't answer! He chose to dodge instead.
>
Don't try to play that game with me, kiddo. I'm the
master of the 3rd grade schoolyard taunt. And you
ain't.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> In article <7ufunc$13...@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Terry Austin"
> >
> > > Self-denial and sacrifice are central tenets of the Christian faith.
This
> > > is not an attack on Christianity, just an observation.
> > >
> > Pity you don't know anything about Christianity. If you did,
> > you might make *accurate* observations.
>
> I'm quite willing to be corrected on this matter. Pity you didn't try to
> do so.
>
I am not, of course, surprised that you pretend otherwise.
As I said, I'm not here to educate anyone. Only to amuse
myself.
And you're far more amusing ignorant than you ever
could be educated.
If you want TRVTH, ask a priest. If you want ridicule,
ask me.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> Robert Baldwin wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:49:35 -0500, Brian Stewart
> > <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >Terry Austin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Terry Austin wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
> >
>
>
> > >> Ask a priest.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Does that make you a Catholic?
> >
> > Terry's an &^%hole, self-admitted. He worships at the alter of
> > obnoxiousness, and performs ritualistic sacrifices with anyone silly
> > enough to take him seriously.
> >
>
> Actually, I have been having fun with the rules by which he plays.
> Asking him what he thought the centeral tenets were and what his
> religion is are questions he can't answer under his rules, or he will
> set himself up for the exact kind of attack he likes to make. Of
> course, since I have stated this, he might answer them, or give the
> appearance of answering them, just out of spite/contrariness (which I am
> kind of curious to see if he will). He is kind of interesting in the
> respect of seeing what exactly comes out based on what you put in. It
> is also kind of fun to talk about him as if he isn't here, but that is
> another story.
Pretty good analysis. You do realize, of course, that by
you posting such an insightful analysis, and my agreeing
with it completely, you have managed to give my trolls
considerably more credibility, especially among the newer
but not quite newbie readers? I had figured Specimen
for maybe another week or so before he finally got it.
Now, I figure at least two or three more, minimum.
>
>
> Anyway, I think we should elect a religion for him. I'm voting that he
> should be a Scientologist-- he could have a lot of fun with L. Ron's
> psuedo-science!
>
My parents live in Tilden, Nebraska, the town L. Ron was
born in. You have no idea how much fun I could have
with the Criminal Cult. The night the city council discussed
whether or not to sell the (now defunct) hospital L. Ron was
born in to Scientology, the locals showed up to the tune of
300 people (out of a town of about 700), and had ropes
in the back, just in case the vote went the wrong way.
The CC has been very quite thereabouts since then.
Gotta love small town politics.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> In article <7uic75$1m...@enews3.newsguy.com>,
> Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
> >What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
>
understand
> something they didn't before. But maybe that requires face-to-face
> interaction?
>
Given that this is Usenet, I'm not willing to assume that
this is possible for the average play toy that I amuse
myself with.
And it wouldn't be half as entertaining anyway.
(Besides, you can see, with exact precision, the
moment when one of my playtoys "gets it." Keep
an eye on Specimen. When he stops replying
to me, and pretends I don't exist - *that* is the
moment.)
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Bryan J. Maloney <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:bjm10-20109...@potato.cit.cornell.edu...
> In article <380d...@nexus.comcen.com.au>, "Christopher Adams"
> <ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote:
>
> > thread for details), and she came out with the statement that the whole
> point of
> > the Jewish religion was that they had no God.
>
>
> <twitch> <twitch>
>
> URH?????
>
> Even *I* haven't come across that one, before, and I thought I'd heard 'em
> all from the various small protestant groups, from neo-arians to
> neo-gnostics, to chiliastic monist neo-arian neo-nestorian neo-gnosticism.
Come visit California sometime, Bryan. I'll show you horrors
you can't even imagine. Walking down the street in broad
daylight. Mind you, the street in question will be Sunset, or
Vine, or Hollywood, but still, in broad daylight.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:49:35 -0500, Brian Stewart
> <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Terry Austin wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Terry Austin wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> >> >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
and
> >> >> sacrifice
> >> >> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
FOR US!
> >> >>
> >> >> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> >> >> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> >> >> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> >> >
> >> Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Does that make you a Catholic?
>
>
> Terry's an &^%hole, self-admitted. He worships at the alter of
> obnoxiousness, and performs ritualistic sacrifices with anyone silly
> enough to take him seriously.
>
months at this rate.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Michael Brown <mik...@newton.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:eE76hQ2G$GA.51@cpmsnbbsa05...> > > <mister burns voice>
> > > Eeexxxxxxcellent
> > > </mister burns voice>
> > >
> >
> > If you're Burns, does that make Terry Smithers?
> > ;-)
>
> <quivers in horror>
>
Doh!
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> Robert Baldwin wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:40:28 -0500, Brian Stewart
> > <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >Terry Austin, fresh from auditing, wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> > >> Terry Austin
> > >
> > >You answered just as predicted, you realise.
> > >
> > >BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
> > >Austin or you initials, T.A.?
> >
> > You *do* realize that Terry didn't say you *did* call him names, he
>
> an experiment.)
It failed. If you weren't so new, you'd have expected that.
Which would have made it a success.
>
>
> > just advised you as to a course of action you should engage in
> > *befeore* getting into such a competition with him.
>
> Yep.
>
> > Attention to details *is* important if you want to play in Terry's
> > corner of the usenet sandbox.
>
> Or, you can just ignore it, like he often does. Either/or.
Yep.
>
>
> > Otherwise he'll have you arguining with yourself in about 4 posts.
> >
>
> Actually, I think in at least a few instances HE was arguing with
> himself. The internet is a strange place.
>
I've flamed myself, too, and meant every word of it.
I think my favorite moment, however, is still the spelling
flame I got in alt.peeves from a washed up porn actress.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Werebat <hes...@etal.uri.edu> wrote in message
news:380E46...@etal.uri.edu...
> Brian Stewart wrote:
> >
> > Terry Austin looked up from his copy of Dianetics and wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > BAS
>
> Actually, Terry is wrong. There's a lot of entertainment value in
> education. So long as you leave out key information. Hee hee.
>
educating people in how not to behave in Usenet.
Besides, there's considerably more fun to be had
in giving someone complete, accurate information,
but under circumstances where they don't believe
it. If you just leave stuff out, they can fix it themselves
in short order. My way, their ignorance can last
for years. As can my entertainment.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
wrote:
>
> > BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
> > Austin or you initials, T.A.?
>
Depends on my mood, doesn't it?
> (Yes, Terry, I already know that my initials can be "BM".)
Heh. Were I inclined to insult you in such a
subtle way, I'd use the first two initials.
I mean, really, you've *got* to be tired of being
called BJ Baloney, right?
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> <23sk...@ixpres.com> wrote:
>
> > Folks, it is a very good thing that there are alternatives to
christianity.
>
> Like your own bigotry?
Nah, what he means is that we wouldn't appreciate
Christianity for the incredible good that it has brought
us, if we didn't have less savory stuff to compare it to.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
wrote:
>
> > Terry Austin wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Terry Austin wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> > > >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
> > > >> > Gee, I've been raised Christian and I WAS taught that self-denial
and
> > > >> sacrifice
> > > >> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
> FOR US!
> > > >>
> > > >> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> > > >> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> > > >> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> > > >>
> > > >> Terry Austin
> > > >
> > > >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> > > >
> > > Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> > >
> > > Ask a priest.
> > >
> >
> > Does that make you a Catholic?
>
I used to be average height, but the bastards raised
the average.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Ken Arromdee <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:7ukrc1$chv$1...@samba.rahul.net...
and
> >>> sacrifice
> >>> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
FOR US!
> >>> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> >>> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> >>> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> >Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> >Ask a priest.
>
a
> priest to get this information, because not everybody agrees on what the
> central tenets of Christianity are and he has no way to know that he
happened
> to pick a priest whose beliefs happen to match yours.
"So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?"
Not "So, what exactky do you think ARE the central tenets?"
"So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?"
Which part isn't clear?
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Frank T. Sronce <fsr...@myriad.net> wrote in message
news:380DCD19...@myriad.net...
> Robert Baldwin wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:25:53 -0700, "Michael Brown"
> > <mik...@newton.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> > >news:380C93...@facstaff.wisc.edu...
> > >> > Godo luck getting something like that out of Terry!
> > >> >
> > >> I know, that's why I asked! :-)
> > >
> > > <mister burns voice>
> > > Eeexxxxxxcellent
> > > </mister burns voice>
> > >
> >
> > If you're Burns, does that make Terry Smithers?
> > ;-)
> >
> > Saint Baldwin, Definer of the Unholy Darkspawn
>
>
> Hm. Lots of short, smartass replies to stuff. No, Terry would be
> Bart.
>
Except I've never glued anything to my face.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
Christopher Adams <ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote in message
news:380d...@nexus.comcen.com.au...
> Every so often my faith in humanity is severely challenged.
>
You obviously need to read Usenet more. Go do a search
in alt.peeves for the name "Duhg," and read about the
medicinal benefits of blowing ozone up your butt.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> Terry Austin wrote:
> >
> > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >Terry Austin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Catherine Stanton <stan...@isu.edu> wrote in message
> > >> news:380BA4EC...@isu.edu...
and
> > >> sacrifice
> > >> > are quite noble . . . that's what Jesus did, he died on the cross
FOR US!
> > >>
> > >> Noble, but hardly central tenets. At least, not in the way that
> > >> was presented here. Self destruction is a sin, pure and simple.
> > >> Self sacrifice is something completely different
> > >>
> > >
> > >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> > >
> > Well discussed in these very newsgroups many, many times.
> >
> > Ask a priest.
> >
>
>
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> Terry Austin, fresh from auditing, wrote:
> >
> > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>
> > > possibility that he will come up with something else (and still not
> > > answer the question), but those two are his standard response (or lack
> > > of one).
> > >
> > If you really want to know, go ask a priest. I'm not a teacher,
> > and I'm not your mother.
> >
> > And you're far more amusing if I don't tell you.
> >
> > (You might ask around about be before getting into
> > a namecalling contest with me.)
> >
> > Terry Austin
>
> You answered just as predicted, you realise.
Yep. Which means your pathetic, childish attempt
to maniuplate me failed.
As predicted, no doubt, by the bystanders.
>
> BTW, exactly where in the post did I call you a name, other than Terry
> Austin or you initials, T.A.?
>
I believe this has been addressed already.
Or you could ask a priest.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> >
> > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>
> > >
> >
> > What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
> >
>
> <shrug> And I am having fun at your expense, so?
>
wargames to really grasp the concept that my
victory conditions do not, in any way, require me to
prevent you from attaining your own victory conditions.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:25:53 -0700, "Michael Brown"
>
> >
> >Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> >> > Godo luck getting something like that out of Terry!
> >> >
> >> I know, that's why I asked! :-)
> >
> > <mister burns voice>
> > Eeexxxxxxcellent
> > </mister burns voice>
> >
>
> If you're Burns, does that make Terry Smithers?
> ;-)
>
Terry Austin
Brian R. Rimmer
Except this once.
Bryan J. Maloney <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:bjm10-20109...@potato.cit.cornell.edu...
Terry Austin
Brian R. Rimmer <23sk...@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:s0qch3...@corp.supernews.com...
> Folks, it is a very good thing that there are alternatives to
christianity.
>
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
such questions, even if I were inclined to take them
seriously.
I can see who some people, like Brian, would
think I'm as talented a writer as CS Lewis,
but I'm not so full of myself as they are full
of me.
David Alex Lamb <dal...@qucis.queensu.ca> wrote in message
news:7ul264$69v$1...@knot.queensu.ca...
> In article <380BFF...@facstaff.wisc.edu>,
> Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >So, what exactky ARE the central tenets?
> >BAS, an agnostic
>
> Since Terry has said he won't answer, let me suggest:
>
> C.S Lewis wrote a small book on the subject in the middle of the current
> century. It's listed at Amazon.com, and probably elsewhere:
> Mere Christianity : Comprising the Case for Christianity, Christian
Behaviour,
> and Beyond Personality (C.S. Lewis Classics). IMHO it remains the best
book
> on the subject; some others, like John Stott's "Basic Christianity", set
their
> sites on explaining a smaller subset of the material.
>
> He meant the "mere" to mean "without most of the theology tacked on" and
> admitted that several theologians of various persuasions would have
emphasized
> certain things more than he did. During his time Lewis was among the most
> well-known "apologists" - people who explain Christianity to outsiders.
> --
> "Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
> http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/
Terry Austin
>Sorry, I do not respond to assholes.
>
Besides, it's rude to reply to your own posts.
--
Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com> http://www.hyperbooks.com
"Terry's an artist and a master chemist; he can set fire to water."
--Sea Wasp, rec.arts.sf.written
Blackberry
>
>God, what I wouldn't give to open this group, download new messages and not
>see the name Hasbro on any of the subject lines!
I was just thinking the same thing with "Spaceman" in place of "Hasbro".
--------------------
"It's enough to make you wonder sometimes if you're on the right planet."
-- Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Brian -- le...@europa.com -- http://www.europa.com/~lepus
Robert Baldwin
wrote:
>In article <7uic75$1m...@enews3.newsguy.com>,
>Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
>>What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
>
>As an educator, I'd have said: the joy of seeing someone come to understand
>something they didn't before. But maybe that requires face-to-face
>interaction?
Or maybe a benevolent soul?
--
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Robert Baldwin
Maloney) wrote:
>In article <380c...@nexus.comcen.com.au>, "Christopher Adams"
><ad...@syd.comcen.com.au> wrote:
>
>> That humans are born sinful; that only through Christ can we reach God
>and have
>> our sins forgiven. That's basically it, all other tenets are history and
>> trappings.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Adams, a Wiccan.
>
>
>Note the above: He identifies himself as not being Christian after
>presuming to tell the world what the central tenets of Christianity are.
>So, does that mean you have no trouble with the fundy sites that try to
>tell the world what the central tenets of Wicca are?
Just curious Bryan: Are you saying that all non-Christians, by virtue
of being non-Christians, are incapable of understanding and discussing
the "central tenets" of Christianity?
Or are you just sniping?
Robert Baldwin
wrote:
>Brian Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Terry Austin looked up from his copy of Dianetics and wrote:
>> >
>> > Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> > >
>> > I'm not here to educate. I'm here to entertain. Myself.
>> >
>> > What entertainment value is there in curing ignorance?
>> >
>>
>> <shrug> And I am having fun at your expense, so?
>>
>> BAS
>
>Actually, Terry is wrong. There's a lot of entertainment value in
>education. So long as you leave out key information. Hee hee.
Using those "novelty" Hungarian to English Dictionaries again, Ron?
;-)
Conrad R. Harkrader
see the name Hasbro on any of the subject lines!
Rich;)
Terry Austin wrote in message <7uo6rf$28...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>
>Robert Baldwin <rbal...@rio.STOPSPAM.com> wrote in message
>news:380d39ff...@news.rio.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:25:53 -0700, "Michael Brown"
>> <mik...@newton.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Brian Stewart <bast...@facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message