> I'm just someone likes comic-book & rpg
> math & science-fiction & doesn't like dice,
> never thought NOT using dice would be herasy.
"Heresy". And, well, that shouldn't have been a surprise, seeing how
Steffan O'Sullivan was burned at the stake after he published SHERPA.
And, I have a strong stomach, but I don't even want to THINK about what
happened to the people who created AMBER.
- Ian
--
"We could watch THE PRISONER and then watch TELETUBBIES!" -- my mother
>
>And, I have a strong stomach, but I don't even want to THINK about what
>happened to the people who created AMBER.
>
Weren't they put in tree resin which then hardened and got made
into jewelry?
V. S. Greene : kly...@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham...
Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
"To commemorate a past event you kill and eat an animal.
A ritual sacrifice... with pie."- Anya, BtVS "Pangs"
>>And, I have a strong stomach, but I don't even want to THINK about what
>>happened to the people who created AMBER.
> Weren't they put in tree resin which then hardened and got made
> into jewelry?
Actually, made into *dice*.
So far, I've counted five "this is my last post here ever" on this thread
alone.
"Bruce Baugh" <bruce...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:bruce-baugh-05F4...@enews.newsguy.com...
>
>Klyfix <kly...@aol.comedy> wrote:
>> In article <AY4V7.83625$Zd.79...@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, Xiphias
>> Gladius <i...@hagbard.io.com> writes:
>
>>>And, I have a strong stomach, but I don't even want to THINK about what
>>>happened to the people who created AMBER.
>
>> Weren't they put in tree resin which then hardened and got made
>> into jewelry?
>
>Actually, made into *dice*.
>
Oh goodness....the horror, the horror.....
You don't understand.
It's not your role-playing game. It's not your spelling. It's not your use
of grammar. We can tolerate all of these things. Some of us have fringe
interests too.
But we can't tolerate you.
It is plain to anyone who reads one of your posts that you are a radically
self-centred person, possessing not the slightest shred of empathy or
respect for any of us in this newsgroup. You're not in the least bit sorry
for what you've done. The tone of your 'apology' was whiny and
self-serving, with no actual contrition. In reality, you believe you are
the one who has been wronged.
No-one who has perused this newsgroup for any length of time believes for a
second that you actually are leaving for good. We know you'll be back in a
matter of weeks as if nothing had ever happened. Your monumental arrogance
wouldn't have it any other way.
Instead of pouting over the 'threats' and 'abuse' you claim to have
received, did it ever occur to you to wonder whether you might actually be
dramatically out-of-step with the participants in this newsgroup? Of course
you didn't. In fact, you're not even really reading this are you? You're
skimming over it while mentally preparing a retort.
You're not exercising your sacred and inalienable right to free speech.
You're beating us over the head with unsolicited, unusable, cryptic,
incomplete and disorganised data.
I wish you all the best in finding an on-line community that will put up
with you. It doesn't seem as if this one will and, from where I'm sitting,
it looks like that's your fault. We tried reasoning with you. We tried
ignoring you. We tried to cope with humor and irony. In short, we tried to
fit you in. But you're just too irritating.
Please fuck off and die.
Kind regards,
Ritchie
You are a liar.
you posted again.
you should have kept your word.
Now if you are a person of honor don't reply again.
> In rec.games.frp.gurps Bruce Baugh <bruce...@sff.net> wrote:
> > Oh, is it that time again? The very first post I read in r.g.f.s-h in
> > 2001 was an "I'm going away" post from his handle of the time. Nice to
> > see traditions endure.
>
> So far, I've counted five "this is my last post here ever" on this thread
> alone.
Yup, it's probably C++'s way of alerting us that he's going to change
handles again. Get ready to add a new name to your killfiles...
-uplink
--
"Information is the ammunition. Your mind is the target."
--Billy Idol, _Cyberpunk_
Shouldn't have replied to this- but I don't have a killfile on my
newsreader :-( (free agent)
>Doesn't this last comment reflect these newsgroups'
>true form & nature. Maybe I post too many times,
>and lot of them have typos & errors in the equations.
>But, I'm NOT trying to intentionally annoy, offend
>or haress anyone.
If that is the affect what matters the intent?
>I'm NOT the bad person with no
>marbles that everyone is trying to make me look
>like. I'm the victim here. I may be an easy target,
>because I NEVER threatening anyone even when they
>posts threats to me, NOR the kind of insults like
>the one you just posted in your last comment. And,
>I, also, posted an apology to everyone & anyone
>that might have UNINTENTIONALLY annoyed or offended.
Given the number of people that complained at you the first time and
that almost no one defended you, why didn't you understand straight
off- and why the constant change of names? Assuming that you acted in
good faith you made NO effort to change your behaviour when it was
quite obvious it was out of line with the ettiquette of the group.
>I"m sorry about the way things turned out, so I
>"really" won't be posting any more my rpg stuff.
>My intent was simply come up a 1 paragraph rpg,
>though because it was flawed, which I admit it
>was flawed, which is NO reason to start & continue
>with this flame war is is getting quite ugly for me.
>I just do NOT understand this obession that everyone
>has with dice & randomizers, since nothing in reality
>is random.
"It turns out that not only does god play dice, he rolls them where we
can not see them". I'm trying to remember who I am quoting, but you
just need to know a trivial amount about quantum theory and chaos
theory to show that this is both not the case and even if it were the
case you would need complete information for it to effectively be
correct.
>Just because we lack the know-how or
>technology to figure something out we, label it
>as a random or explainable event which is a cop-out.
It is theoretically impossible for a mind to have a perfect
visualisation of the universe as in order to visualise it the mind
must be at least one step more complex than the universe and can
therefore ipso facto be no part of the aformentioned universe. Your
goal is therefore mathematically impossible, and certainly impossible
from our current level of knowledge!
>Or, like labeling stuff that violates science-fiction
>as technology in comics when it's probably tk based.
>I think. And, ALL the GMs that I have ever come across,
>every single, wants to be all powerful like the
>"Dungeon Master" in the '80s cartoon "Dungeons &
>Dragons", while the heroes have no more power than
>Batman.
The GM's job is to run the world- within their world they do have that
sort of power- but must take care not to abuse it.
>Yes, sure, the kid magician in the D&D
>cartoon had lot of power, but most GMs don't allow
>that kind of power.
In which case you haven't been looking carefuly.
[paranoia snipped]
>ANYWAY, this rpg business is
>getting TOO dangerous for me to post on the internet,
>as people seem to think they act "criminally" if they
>act in a mob - strength in numbers - against 1 person,
>who was simply posting his brand of diceless rpg &
>comparing it to other rpgs like GURPS, Champions, BESM,
>Aberrant, TORG, Digimon, Pokemon, Alternity & '86 MU
>TSR rpg. What did I get in return to show for how rpgs
>can be used for efficiently & comics read more
>accurately ? In return, I got haressment, threats,
>and insults. There was 1 thread in rec.games.frp.
>super-heroes about morality of mutants. Hypocracy ?
You just have an understanding about RPGs so different to that of the
group here's as to make discussion pointless (assuming your motives
are as described). There is almost no common ground.
Francis
Whatever happened to Don't Go Away Mad... JUST GO AWAY already. People get
annoyed because you say you're leaving & don't. Imagine someone coming to your
house, eating all your food, leaving crumbs all over your couch, making you
watch what they want to watch and then promising they're gonna leave: JUST GO
DAMNIT
Absolutely.
People have no right whatsoever to change their mind.
--
The Anti-Reagan.
>
>Xiphias Gladius <i...@hagbard.io.com> wrote in message
>news:<NKcV7.256210$YD.20...@news2.aus1.giganews.com>...
>> Klyfix <kly...@aol.comedy> wrote:
>> > In article <AY4V7.83625$Zd.79...@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, Xiphias
>> > Gladius <i...@hagbard.io.com> writes:
>>
>> >>And, I have a strong stomach, but I don't even want to THINK about what
>> >>happened to the people who created AMBER.
>>
>> > Weren't they put in tree resin which then hardened and got made
>> > into jewelry?
>>
>> Actually, made into *dice*.
>>
>> - Ian
>
>There is NO need for such vulgar & rudeness, as
>I've already stated for the nTH time that I'm
>not posting any more rpg stuff in Hero or Gurps
>newsgroups. Whatever happened to forgive & forget ?
>Whatever happend to common courtesy & decency ?
>
Ya know, if you're going to get hurt over what amounts to a
fairly light joke that really isn't anything close to a personal
insult you really shouldn't be posting _anywhere_ on
Usenet. Little digs, jokes, and occasionally much more
severe stuff are part of the package. Surely you've been
Flamed for real on occasion? This wasn't it, really.
> I think. And, ALL the GMs that I have ever come across,
> every single, wants to be all powerful like the
> "Dungeon Master" in the '80s cartoon "Dungeons &
> Dragons", while the heroes have no more power than
> Batman.
Give me a break. Tell me *one* thing that the "Dungeon Master" in the
cartoon "Dungeons & Dragons" *ever* did besides walking behind a rock and
vanishing.
[ . . . ]
> "criminal", with the constant false accuasation like
> accusing me of spamming which I have NOT done but
> lot of you accuase me anyway, because the stuff that
> I post is not from any established rpg. Posting
> posts that you have NO interest in is NOT spam.
Actually, he's got a point here. It's not spamming; spamming specifically
refers to massive multiple posting/cross-posting, as in Cantor and Siegel.
It *may* be flooding, but calling it spam confuses the issue, and, I
think, makes life harder for folks like Afterburner and the nanau folks,
who actually fight spam. Let's reserve the term "spam" for the stuff that
nanau has a mandate to fight.
> If I was like one of those low powered border-line
> mutants like, Batman, 2 meters tall & weighed
> 368.75 lbs with martial arts skills & talents, I'd
> doubt you'd guys would have the guts to threatening,
> haress & insult me.
I would.
If you had *detective abilities*, martial arts, and talents, okay, maybe
not then. But, c'mon, no matter how tough you were, you couldn't harm me
if you didn't know where I was.
Look. Anybody can kill anybody. That's the nature of technology. You
could buy a gun, find me, and kill me. You wouldn't have to be a mutant
or have super martial arts skills. That's within the capabilities of
anybody on any of these newsgroups.
But it doesn't happen. Not because people don't have the ability to kill
one another, but because people don't actually have the *desire* to kill
one another. At least not a strong enough desire to put the work into
finding each other and making an attempt, one which may well injure or
kill the attempter.
If you *were* a 368.75 pound mutant with martial arts abilities, you still
wouldn't know who I was, where I was, or how to find me. And if I
suspected that a 368.75 pound mutant with martial arts abilities *did*
want to kill me, well, hell, I might finaly go ahead and buy that home
defense shotgun I've been thinking about.
But that's no different than what I'd do if I thought that you, yourself,
as you are today, wanted to kill me and could find me.
So, if that makes you feel better, as far as I'm concerned, you are, right
now, exactly as powerful as you would be if you *were* a 368.75 pound
mutant with martial arts abilities.
Hell, for all I know, you *are* 368.75 pounds and have martial arts
abilities. I know that my friend Rich is 260 pounds and has martial arts
abilities -- he's a martial arts instructor in a martial art that focuses
primarily on streetfighting, and secondarily on full-contact bare-knuckles
kickboxing matches. Me, I'm 215 pounds, but most of that's fat these
days, and, while I *did* study that martial art once, I'm so out of
conditioning that I doubt I could do a hard forearm block of a baseball
bat any more. At least, not more than once or twice.
And, while I *am* a mutant, I mainly got empathy based advantages and a
couple mental tricks, not combat-effective ones. I can, however, digest
things that normal humans can't.
What's with the automated reply? Did you set your news viewer to reply
a lot more psychotic nonsense after the 4th or so reply to the
original post without even caring what they are about? Is this just a
template like the Alanis Morrisette Lyrics Generator or something?
Really, you need to stop posting nonsense. I really don't see what do
you gain by repeating yourself over and over and over (if it's a
person I'm talking to... I'm thinking it might be just a faulty
program. Maybe somebody plugged MegaHAL or Elisa into a news reader?)
-Groovis
P.S.: if there's a real person behind that keyboard, I've got only one
thing to say:
Take me to your dealer.
Hey, nice script! Did you make it on LISP or something?
Sorry, I couldn't help but notice, since a living being doesn't really
write like that, I'm assuming you're using a grammar generator or
something.
It'd be nice to have a look at it.
-Groovis
> From: Smallvil...@yahoo.com (Mathew Rpg Hybrid)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.gurps
> Date: 23 Dec 2001 22:00:32 -0800
> Subject: Re: Dear Mr Hybrid
>
> Xiphias Gladius <i...@hagbard.io.com> wrote in message
> news:<bbxV7.28032$m05.2...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
>> Marcus Arronous NRN <NicklesAn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> WHAT ?!? Do "NOT" take my words out of context,
> please. I was "NOT" talking about kulling anyone.
> 1 more time : I was "NOT" talking about kulling
> anyone. What I was talking about was self-defence.
> I was talking about self-defence. That being
> if I was like Batman, none would insult me, nor
> threatening me, like the constant threats &
> insults I've been getting for past couple of years.
If you were like Batman, you'd have better things to do with your life than
this, eh?
Of course, one must wonder: what would Batman do if his job were done? :)
Batman doesn't have a job. He has a hobby. It's just a hobby he's
really devoted to.
Actually DATE some of the women who want to get into Bruce Wayne's pants?
Or, possibly more likely, actually hook up with Selina Kyle.
You are not listening. RKMudge gave you a very good explanation of
_why_ you are annoying.
You did not listen. You chose instead to concentrate on his humorous
sign off.
To re-iterate:
You post garbage. That's not objectionable, but it 1) isn't funny, 2)
isn't relevant, 3) isn't coherent.
This is usenet, most people (as you have) get away free while posting
spelling errors and mangled grammar. No one has called you on that.
Many people post detailed rules for obscure or major parts of Gurps here
that I (and I assume others) think make no sense to the game. No one
bothers them, because _someone_ usually thinks they are interesting
enough to comment, question, and come up with alternatives. They often
are starting points for conversations that lead, in usenet fashion, to
strange places and unusual ideas. Some of which are useful in the games
people play.
You do not do that. You post equations. Your equations do not relate
to anything. Your equations are not explained. Your equations are for
a game whose rules are not known to _anyone_ on this board. No one is
interested in that.
If people ask you what you are doing, you do not answer. Instead you
post corrections to equations that no one except you cares if they are
correct. Who cares when the original post was incomprehensible, anyway?
If you read the posts on the gurps newsgroup you will see that a lot of
people have read a lot of rpg rules. I keep running into names I've
never _heard_ of, let alone read. These people are quite knowledgeable
about the rpg possibilities, and are not adverse to learning more.
You do not take advantage of it. You do not post in order to start a
conversation. You do not post in order to inform, or raise questions,
or ask questions, or (especially) answer questions. You guard your rpg
like an alligator - it's hidden under a pile of dead leaves somewhere,
but you won't put it on a web page and ask for comments.
If you were truly as interested in it as you claim, you would try to
engage people. But you don't, so we are left wondering at your real
motivations.
> My intent was simply come up a 1 paragraph rpg,
This is untrue. We know it is untrue because if it was you would have
posted the paragraph. Note - an equation (even one that goes for 10
lines) is not a paragraph. A paragraph has a point. It has support,
and description, and usually multiple sentences. If this were really
your goal you would have gone about your activities differently.
--Tom A.
The Scott Kallin one paragraph, chart less, role playing game (developed
c. 1980):
Roll two dice three times. Low numbers are bad, numbers around 7 are
mediocre, high numbers are good. Use lots of adjectives to distinguish
numeric results from each other. The first roll represents your
childhood - how good was it, anyway? Interesting? Successful? The GM
should embellish this as much as he wants. The second roll respresents
your adult life. The third represents your death. A good GM can make
this as interesting, or pathetic, as they want - based on the players
roll. Can be played by any number of people - playing time averages 1
minute per person per game. Enjoy. Scott, are you on line?
Well, maybe he should try posting somewhere else. ;-)
Ralph Glatt
Oh dear. The purveyor of Stercus Tauri to the Usenet masses returns...
ignoring him is probably the best idea.
Hmmm perhaps we should create a message board populated
totally by bots programmed to respond favourably to his posts...
--
Michael
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NPC rights activist | Nameless Abominations are people too.
"Mr. M.J. Lush" <ml...@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:a17qlk$6ju$1...@niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk...
My god, can you imagine how this guy would react if Terry Austin got hold of
him??
Hmm... ever notice how you don't see the two of them in the same room at the
same time?
--
bblac...@blackgate.net
http://www.rpglibrary.org - free games & gaming aids & no banner ads, ever
"Stephen Grimes" <outher...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:a1a74r$pvi$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
> My god, can you imagine how this guy would react if Terry Austin got hold
of
> him??
I imagine it would be similar to a high pH base mixing with a low pH acid...
Let's see!! 8-D
Actually, Terry DID run into him - C++ made a brief appearance on r.g.f.misc
a couple of months ago. Actually, it was rather disappointing - Mr. Austin
did nothing but fling gratuitous obcenities for a couple of posts. C++ never
came back though, so I suppose it was worth it.
-Chris
Lots of gas, ending in salt water?
--
This is usenet.
Truth is secondary to Presentation.
You mean there are times when he does something other than that? Wow.
--
Brian Curley
Notorious BKC
"In a range of recent situations, the White House has had a choice
between opening government to scrutiny or keeping the public in the
dark. In each instance - from an investigation of the mob to the release
of presidential papers, to secret military tribunals and secretive
detention for terror suspects - George W. Bush has opted for the dark.
That's unhealthy for any democracy." - Newsday.com, December 18, 2001
www.bushwatch.com
Keeping an eye on the Empty Hat
Free the West Memphis Three
www.wm3.org
A highly exothermic reaction producing water?
If "P" is the number of "last ever" posts sent by Marcus
(a.k.a etc.), then "P^n" is the number of posts that he will
send *after* supposedly leaving the newsgroup (where n is
proportionate to how lud the little voices are talking to
him).
"Log P" is the number of people who actually care.
---Dr. Simon Lipscomb-Allhouse, Univ. Labs of Physiology.
Oxford.----
No-one is completely useless-
They can always serve as a bad example.
You can program bots to do that?
---
- Dug.
---
"We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are
going to spend the rest of our lives." - Criswell.
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ab...@earthlink.net ab...@freeze.com ab...@geocities.co.uk
ab...@geocities.com ab...@goldserve.net ab...@home.com
ab...@juno.com ab...@mail.com ab...@msn.com
ab...@prontomail.com ab...@uk.another.com ab...@usa.net
ab...@yahoo.co.uk ab...@yahoo.com ab...@ziplip.com
postm...@another.com postm...@whatever.com
tose...@aol.com tos...@aol.com Gro...@yahoogroups.com
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pleasedonotsp...@yahoogroups.com
SpamL...@yahoogroups.com SpamLovers...@yahoogroups.com
thesepeopleh...@yahoogroups.com
thesepeoplehavesp...@yahoogroups.com
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Yes, but it would be a tricky job, first you would
have to remove any traces of artificial intelligence from the bots
(forcing anything remotely intelligent to read thoes posts is
just too cruel). Then have some bots quote a line from the
post at random and reply:-
Yes but how does this compare with <insert hero name>?
Isn't this a typo here?
Wouldn't <Random equation> scale better?
Excellent Post! My friends and I are really looking forward to
the publication of Hybrid. But I don't quite
understand <quote Hybrid equation> could you expand on this?
Sometimes the bots could post leading questions;-
Please could you render <list of supers> into Hybrid?
I'd like to play <game system> under Hybrid, could you
advise how best I can do this?
Can you use Refectory Campaign Design with Hybrid?
Will Hybrid work with <obscure novel>? Its my fave book and
I'd love to play it under your monumental system.
Please could you stop changing your email address? It makes
it very hard to track and archive your posts.
To make things more convincing some traffic could be
copied from r.g.f.super-heroes (through a one way valve to ensure no
back flow:-)
I still can't see a program responding favourably...
---
- Dug.
---
<groan!> It's been over a year since I've posted here--and this guy is
STILL around? Please say it isn't so!
Amy
I'm sorry, but it's his way of being a super-villain; no matter how
many times he's killfiled, he pops up again wreak havoc upon a small
and defenseless community. (He has yet to realize that supervillains
normally don't change their names each time they return from the
grave; otherwise by now Dr. Doom would be Professor SteelFaceMask, and
Lex Luthor would be Lentil Linghopper.)
Don't attribute it to his staying power, blame the regulars who don't
have the sense to ignore him.
> I'm sorry, but it's his way of being a super-villain; no matter how
> many times he's killfiled, he pops up again wreak havoc upon a small
> and defenseless community. (He has yet to realize that supervillains
> normally don't change their names each time they return from the
> grave; otherwise by now Dr. Doom would be Professor SteelFaceMask, and
> Lex Luthor would be Lentil Linghopper.)
>
> Don't attribute it to his staying power, blame the regulars who don't
> have the sense to ignore him.
Man, that' sad--sad that someone could be so warped as to bug a newsgroup for
a whole year and get away with it. And lest I wake sleeping dragons, that's
the last I'll say on the subject.
Amy
> Man, that' sad--sad that someone could be so warped as to bug a newsgroup for
> a whole year and get away with it. And lest I wake sleeping dragons, that's
> the last I'll say on the subject.
>
> Amy
Your last line shows you've already learned the most important lesson. Thank
you.
"Shhh, he might hear you..."
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"Amy Crittenden" <the...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> <groan!> It's been over a year since I've posted here--and this guy is
> STILL around? Please say it isn't so!
>
> Amy
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> And I would like to add (ignoring the troll) Welcome back, Amy!
>
>
Thanks! I'm happy to be back. I would have been back long ago, but my cheap
old ISP decided to drop the USENET service, and I wasn't going to go to all
the trouble of changing ISP's until I could get DSL (my address has changed
four or five times in the past few years--it's getting tiresome).
Amy
Check this out, Amy:
http://news.cis.dfn.de/
You shouldn't have to reply on your ISP for UseNet.
> "Amy Crittenden" <the...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:01HW.B86F41CA0...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>>
>> I would have been back long ago, but my cheap old ISP
>> decided to drop the USENET service
>
> Check this out, Amy:
> http://news.cis.dfn.de/
>
>
Huh. Wish I'd know about that six months ago. Oh, well, it's a moot point
for me anyway--I got DSL with a new ISP that provides USENET. Thanks tho--it
was interesting to look at.
Amy
Er, that should read "...rely on your ISP..."
When My cheap if pricey ISP dropped it's admittedly to inferior to
be used USENET software, they suggested Free Agent through their
connection and gave an address.
I found Agent tended to 'wake up' the 'close connection in inactive
for more than 15 minutes feature' even after I set the thing up not to
do so, which definitely fit the "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was
the play" criteria. Fortunately Google got it's act together re:
DejaNews' archive around this time.
"Amy Crittenden" <the...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:01HW.B86F41CA0...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>
> When My cheap if pricey ISP dropped it's admittedly to inferior to
> be used USENET software, they suggested Free Agent through their
> connection and gave an address.
>
> I found Agent tended to 'wake up' the 'close connection in inactive
> for more than 15 minutes feature' even after I set the thing up not to
> do so, which definitely fit the "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was
> the play" criteria. Fortunately Google got it's act together re:
> DejaNews' archive around this time.
I hated Free Agent. It was lousy. I used to use the no longer available
WinVN News reader--it didn't have as many bells and whistles, but it was
nice. When I switched back to being a Mac user, I despared of finding a
decent news reader until I found Hogwasher--which is wonderful. I dislike
using my web browser to read USENET--it always seemed clunky to me (YMMV).
Amy
> There's also the fact that you can read newsgroups by going
> straight to Google's site now. Of course, it doesn't help
> to post that _here_, and if your cheap ISP dropped Web
> service, too, well, that's _too_ damn cheap for me! :-)
Before I got my DSL account, I had lousy bandwidth with my 56K modem. I was
lucky to get 24K speeds in reality, and Google (which is my favorite search
engine) often bogged down. DSL may be hideously expensive by comparison, but
well worth it--altho I wished I'd realized I could use Google to read my news
earlier--<sigh> But hey, there are ISP's out there where you can buy just an
email account--tho I can't imagine the Net without the Web these days.
Amy
How does one get _Google_ to bog down?!? At its worst, a page takes around 4
seconds to load - on my old 56k modem. At its very worst. Compare
Altavista...
SP
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:28:47 -0800, Sebastian Palm wrote
(in message <a3iap2$18ckuv$1...@ID-109805.news.dfncis.de>):
>
> How does one get _Google_ to bog down?!? At its worst, a page takes around 4
> seconds to load - on my old 56k modem. At its very worst. Compare
> Altavista...
>
> SP
>
>
Believe it or not, even Google tended to bog on me often. Even with my 56K
modem, the best I could get on my old dial up connection was 24K. Sloooww
compared to what I get now <drool>
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Amy G. Crittenden
aka Theala Sildorian
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