Business model for ebooks.
phy
work. A service much like netflix where for a monthly fee you could
download a book , read it, then when you are done, it will automatically
delete when you download the next, So this way, instead of actually
purchasing a book, you are just renting them. I know many in this group
would rather buy a book outright so they can see it on their shelf years
later, but
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:Xns9CD3C8B5F19...@69.16.185.247:
The odds of being able to design a reader that can't be hacked to a)
extract (and de-encrypt, if need be) the files before they are
delted, b) bypass the auto-delete system, or c) install Linux and do
whatever the hell they want are just about zero.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole. - David
Bilek
Yeah, I had Terry confused with Hannibal Lecter. - Mike Schilling
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Parvati V
> Reading the discussions lately on pdf readers made me wonder if this
> would work. A service much like netflix where for a monthly fee you
> could download a book , read it, then when you are done, it will
> automatically delete when you download the next, So this way,
> instead of actually purchasing a book, you are just renting them.
Which is basically what Amazon is doing already for Kindle, except for
the time limit.
I would define this not a business model model but a piece of *insert
random obscenity here*.
I would accept something like this only for free, as a digital version
of what libraries do.
If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
--
Parvati V
Baird Stafford
Parvati V <parvat...@email.it> wrote:
> Which is basically what Amazon is doing already for Kindle, except for
> the time limit.
> I would define this not a business model model but a piece of *insert
> random obscenity here*.
> I would accept something like this only for free, as a digital version
> of what libraries do.
> If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
I am going to commit the ultimate violation of netiquette and add, "Me,
too!"
Baird
--
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice
there is. -Yogi Berra
phy
625AAB.173...@news.giganews.com:
> In article <7nn7f7F...@mid.individual.net>,
> Parvati V <parvat...@email.it> wrote:
>
>> Which is basically what Amazon is doing already for Kindle, except for
>> the time limit.
>
>> I would define this not a business model model but a piece of *insert
>> random obscenity here*.
>
>> I would accept something like this only for free, as a digital version
>> of what libraries do.
>
>> If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
>
> I am going to commit the ultimate violation of netiquette and add, "Me,
> too!"
>
> Baird
>
That message was sitting in my drafts folder for weeks now. When I wrote
it, I decided not to send it because it wasn't really well wriiten, much
less well thought out. I semi-planned to get back to it and rewrite it (and
maybe even make it on topic), but lost interest. I am not exactly sure how
I sent it. I blame it on not having had my morning cup of coffee yet.
-phy.
Parvati V
> That message was sitting in my drafts folder for weeks now. When I
> wrote it, I decided not to send it because it wasn't really well
> wriiten, much less well thought out. I semi-planned to get back to it
> and rewrite it (and maybe even make it on topic), but lost interest.
> I am not exactly sure how I sent it. I blame it on not having had my
> morning cup of coffee yet.
Did sound unfinished :)
Well, no biggie.
I have to say that even WotC did not go as far as that with its policy.
You download *and keep* magazine pdfs, Character Builder and Monster
Builder data. You can only access the Compendium online, through an
ongoing subscription, but you can save the bits of info you searched for
and paste them into your adventure while you can access it.
--
Parvati V
David Klassen
Never rented a car? Piece of heavy machinery? :)
Chris Berger
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> phy <phy...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:Xns9CD3C8B5F19...@69.16.185.247:
>
> > Reading the discussions lately on pdf readers made me wonder if
> > this would work. A service much like netflix where for a monthly
> > fee you could download a book , read it, then when you are done,
> > it will automatically delete when you download the next, So
> > this way, instead of actually purchasing a book, you are just
> > renting them. I know many in this group would rather buy a book
> > outright so they can see it on their shelf years later, but
>
> The odds of being able to design a reader that can't be hacked to a)
> extract (and de-encrypt, if need be) the files before they are
> delted, b) bypass the auto-delete system, or c) install Linux and do
> whatever the hell they want are just about zero.
>
Yeah, data-expiry schemes always kind of annoyed me. If you can view
information, you can record it, in some fashion. Most of the ways of
stopping that are more aimed at making it annoying or degrading the
quality. And laws that say you can't try to bypass those protections
are some of the worst bullshit there is. Obviously the encryption
isn't foolproof if they have to make laws saying that it's illegal to
try to break the encryption.
Tetsubo
Maybe Parvati has never rented a car. Maybe she has only ever purchased
a motor vehicle. Right of first purchase. It's why we can resell books,
CDs and recorded media. E-books are treated differently and that makes
all the difference. You rent an e-book. Even though they sell it to you
and you get an actual bill of sale. Except you don't really own it.
Crappy business model.
--
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:hg0v1l$cf4$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> David Klassen wrote:
>> On Dec 2, 8:13 am, Parvati V <parvatiqui...@email.it> wrote:
>>
>>>If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
>>
>>
>> Never rented a car? Piece of heavy machinery? :)
>
> Maybe Parvati has never rented a car. Maybe she has only
> ever purchased
> a motor vehicle. Right of first purchase. It's why we can resell
> books, CDs and recorded media. E-books are treated differently
> and that makes all the difference. You rent an e-book. Even
> though they sell it to you and you get an actual bill of sale.
> Except you don't really own it. Crappy business model.
>
But, if you read the fine print, one you voluntarily engage in. Or
not. I don't buy DRMed stuff, ever.
Baird Stafford
<a15b68c8-12fe-475e...@t42g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
David Klassen <kla...@rowan.edu> wrote:
Not quite the same thing: the analogy falls down because one rents a
car of a piece of heavy machinery for one-time use, in most cases. The
same cannot be said for an RPG.
phy
> David Klassen wrote:
>> On Dec 2, 8:13 am, Parvati V <parvatiqui...@email.it> wrote:
>>
>>>If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
>>
>>
>> Never rented a car? Piece of heavy machinery? :)
>
> Maybe Parvati has never rented a car. Maybe she has only ever
> purchased
> a motor vehicle. Right of first purchase. It's why we can resell
> books, CDs and recorded media. E-books are treated differently and
> that makes all the difference. You rent an e-book. Even though they
> sell it to you and you get an actual bill of sale. Except you don't
> really own it. Crappy business model.
>
I was thinking more along the lines of a library type or netflix type
rental. If I had an ebook reader, I would maybe consider getting my reading
material this way if it were inexpensive enough. It could work for me
because I almost never read a book a second time and they end up taking up
lots of space. Eventually, I throw or give them away.
-phy
David Klassen
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tetsubo <tets...@comcast.net> wrote innews:hg0v1l$cf4$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>
> > David Klassen wrote:
> >> On Dec 2, 8:13 am, Parvati V <parvatiqui...@email.it> wrote:
>
> >>>If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
>
> >> Never rented a car? Piece of heavy machinery? :)
>
> > Maybe Parvati has never rented a car. Maybe she has only
> > ever purchased
> > a motor vehicle. Right of first purchase. It's why we can resell
> > books, CDs and recorded media. E-books are treated differently
> > and that makes all the difference. You rent an e-book. Even
> > though they sell it to you and you get an actual bill of sale.
> > Except you don't really own it. Crappy business model.
>
> But, if you read the fine print, one you voluntarily engage in. Or
> not. I don't buy DRMed stuff, ever.
Well, except that EULA's are more-or-less meaningless since
only two states ever passed a UCITA law making them real
contracts and at least half of court decisions have said that
they are *not* contracts. In other words, no matter what the
EULA says, state laws that govern sale of products trumps it;
although DMCA trumps those... :p
David Klassen
> In article
> <a15b68c8-12fe-475e-bb50-f6fd49e76...@t42g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> David Klassen <klas...@rowan.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 2, 8:13 am, Parvati V <parvatiqui...@email.it> wrote:
> > > If I pay, I BUY something. Period.
> > Never rented a car? Piece of heavy machinery? :)
>
> Not quite the same thing: the analogy falls down because one rents a
> car of a piece of heavy machinery for one-time use, in most cases. The
> same cannot be said for an RPG.
Yes, I know---I was being pedantic since Parvati was making a
sweeping statement.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:66b69706-73e9-4e93...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.c
om:
If it's meaningless, then why are you bitching about it? You are,
by your own logic, bitching about, literally, *nothing*.
David Klassen
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> David Klassen <klas...@rowan.edu> wrote innews:66b69706-73e9-4e93-
>
> > Well, except that EULA's are more-or-less meaningless since
> > only two states ever passed a UCITA law making them real
> > contracts and at least half of court decisions have said that
> > they are *not* contracts. In other words, no matter what the
> > EULA says, state laws that govern sale of products trumps it;
> > although DMCA trumps those... :p
>
> If it's meaningless, then why are you bitching about it? You are,
> by your own logic, bitching about, literally, *nothing*.
Did you willfully ignore the more-or-less?
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
8455-eb2...@u37g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
Did you willfully ignore the more all-encompassing language later on
in the same paragraph?