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MagicChupacabra

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Sep 5, 2003, 6:06:04 PM9/5/03
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Our group has come across an interesting argument one player has posed. He
wants a half drow bladesinger.

Now with what we know about bladesingers they are the shining example of
goodness and elfdom for high elves(or whatever surface elves you have in your
campaign), and drow are your typical evily baddy type.

Now with these two things being pretty much considered normal D&D standards for
high elves and drow, does anyone think that a drow or half drow would be able
to even get close enough to an elven city or settlement to even ask for
training as a bladesinger, let alone become one.

I know there are always special case situations, but when you deal with a
society as a whole, they generaly side with the stero type.

thanks in advance

James Stein

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Sep 5, 2003, 6:17:23 PM9/5/03
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MagicChupacabra wrote:


I would think that a 1/2Drow could get within range of the city. He'd
have to prove himself *EXTENSIVELY* and quite probably undergo Detect
Evil spells more often than anyone is comfortable with, but... yanno.

A full drow, on the other hand... I wouldn't even expect a "special
exception" to be let near elven society. I don't think even Drizzt every
got extended *that* courtesy.

Besides that, I don't think that "stereotypes" should come into play
when dealing with *your group*. Your PC's *should* be the outstanding
exceptions to the general rule; they should be special.

So, in a single-group policy, not-for-the-world-as-a-whole, I might
allow a drow bladesinger. Half-drow definitely.


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Deric Bernier

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Sep 5, 2003, 7:46:01 PM9/5/03
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MagicChupacabra wrote:

Depends on his personal back ground. Is he a half human drow, or an elf/drow mix?
Which side raised him and where?

If his mother was elven, and his birth was the result of a rape situation by drow
on a raid, I could see him training towards bladesinger. As long as he was raised
in an elven community that is. However unless I am misremembering, if he is half
human, half drow than there is no way he would get the training required, since
according to the elves he would have no elf in him whatsoever.

Of course our alternative home brew campaign takes a different view on elves, one
being that surface elves are the evil ones, or at best neutral, while the drow are
the good aligned race, being driven from the surface by the nazi like surface elves
with their cursed superiority complex.

D

Malachias Invictus

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Sep 6, 2003, 8:33:18 AM9/6/03
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"MagicChupacabra" <magicch...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Our group has come across an interesting argument one player has posed. He
> wants a half drow bladesinger.

Half-elves are explicitly allowed to become Bladsingers.

> Now with what we know about bladesingers they are the shining example of
> goodness and elfdom for high elves(or whatever surface elves you have in
your
> campaign), and drow are your typical evily baddy type.

There is no requirement for "goodness" in order to be a Bladesinger.

> Now with these two things being pretty much considered normal D&D
standards for
> high elves and drow, does anyone think that a drow or half drow would be
able
> to even get close enough to an elven city or settlement to even ask for
> training as a bladesinger, let alone become one.

Why the Hell would a drow have difficulty getting into an elven city? Most
of them grew up in one, after all.

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^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley


Talen

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Sep 8, 2003, 12:22:06 PM9/8/03
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It has been brought to my attention that magicch...@aol.com
(MagicChupacabra) wrote:

>Our group has come across an interesting argument one player has posed. He
>wants a half drow bladesinger.
>
>Now with what we know about bladesingers they are the shining example of
>goodness and elfdom for high elves(or whatever surface elves you have in your
>campaign), and drow are your typical evily baddy type.

Check Bladesinger's alignment restriction. Notice how there isn't one?

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Stephenls

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Sep 8, 2003, 12:30:29 PM9/8/03
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MagicChupacabra wrote:

<snip>

I see no reason why the drow shouldn't have bladesingers of their own.
Hell, they probably have academies.
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Robert FISHER

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Sep 8, 2003, 12:45:56 PM9/8/03
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MagicChupacabra wrote:
> Now with these two things being pretty much considered normal D&D standards for
> high elves and drow, does anyone think that a drow or half drow would be able
> to even get close enough to an elven city or settlement to even ask for
> training as a bladesinger, let alone become one.

If that's what the player wants to play, and if neither half-drow or
bladesingers are verboten for PCs for any other reason, let them do it.

The "standard" rules need not apply at all. (Heck, I don't think drow or
bladesingers have every existed in a campaign I've run!) Even if they
do, who cares how far-fetched the justification. As long as other
players don't feel this player is being treated special or getting an
unfair advantage, no reason to deny it.

In the LotR campaign I'm running, one of the players had a character
concept for a "redeemed orc". At first, I was reluctant. I don't like
deviating much from the rules the first time I run a new system. I
could've rejected it as "unTolkien", but--even if it is--I already knew
I'd be trying more for the spirit of Tolkien than the letter. I could've
rejected it one the grounds that it would make my job as referee even
harder. (How do you introduce an orc PC without the other PCs killing
him on sight?) For that reason, the player himself offered an
alternative--and equally interesting--character concept.

In the end, however, I want the players to play the characters they want
to play as long as they all feel they're being treated fairly. I was
careful to try to keep the orc PC within the same or similar limits as
the other PCs. (I probably erred on the side of limiting him more.) I'm
very glad I allowed it, because the character has definately enhanced
the game without detracting from the other players' enjoyment.

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