Hellraiser, Cenobites & AD&D (?)
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Reapnos
I myself made up a fiendish race based on the Cenobites. I call them The
Tormentors. They reside in a realm which is nothing but a great Labyrinth, on
the lowest layer of Acheron. They are led by 13 Lords of Pain, each specialized
in a different form of torture and mutilation. The 13 are in turn led by a
being known as Tormentus (Leviathan).
The puzzle box (or Lament Configuration) is a gate of sorts, but must be solved
to function. Unfortunately many different types of puzzles exist, and all
attempt a subtle form of charm on the unwitting, compelling them to solve the
puzzles.
I guess I was just too much of a fan of Hellraiser, but I just couldn't resist.
Malcolm Greenberg
> I was wondering how Cenobites could fit into an AD&D campaign. Would
> they be considered a type of Fiend, and the Labyrinth being in one of
> the Lower Planes or Demi-Plane. Is Pinhead a speciality priest of
> Leviathan and is the Puzzle Box a Cubic Gate?
> .. Just curious on your opinions...
>
I set them up as Lawful Evil, on a section/realm of the planes of Baator
(far down)
Leviathan is an elder evil god whose minions (the Cenobites) harvest
souls from the
multitude of planes and prime worlds who open the countless puzzle boxes
strewn across the
multiverse.
Pinhead or Xipe Totec as his name was once mentioned (in Hellraiser vs.
Nightbreed comic series
by DC) would be either a proxy or chosen, I don't think priest would
qualify.
Yes, the puzzle box is keyed just to this realms.
Any other questions, please email to mal...@erols.com
Cheers,
Malcolm
Chris Baile
>> I was wondering how Cenobites could fit into an AD&D campaign. Would
>> they be considered a type of Fiend, and the Labyrinth being in one of
>> the Lower Planes or Demi-Plane. Is Pinhead a speciality priest of
>> Leviathan and is the Puzzle Box a Cubic Gate?
>> .. Just curious on your opinions...
>>
>
>I set them up as Lawful Evil, on a section/realm of the planes of Baator
>(far down)
>Leviathan is an elder evil god whose minions (the Cenobites) harvest
>souls from the
>multitude of planes and prime worlds who open the countless puzzle boxes
>strewn across the
>multiverse.
Bear in mind that the Leviathan listing in whichever 1st edition
Monster Manual isn't the same as the one from the movies. Nor is
Baphomet, who is depicted in Nightbreed.
>
>Pinhead or Xipe Totec as his name was once mentioned (in Hellraiser vs.
>Nightbreed comic series
>by DC) would be either a proxy or chosen, I don't think priest would
>qualify.
Nice reference... I thought I was the only person who read that! ;)
Although that mini-series shows that not all Cenobites are Lawful
Evil... instead they can be Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil... but the
majority of them are Lawful and follow Leviathan's wishes.
>Yes, the puzzle box is keyed just to this realms.
Not necessarily... it could open doorways to the Cenobite hell, but
could also open doorways to other worlds, alternate dimensions, etc.
It can also be used to summon creatures (namely Cenobites, but other
weird-ass nasty shit could pop in as well) and dispell them from wence
they came. Puzzle boxes would probably be considered lower level
artifacts.... they're sure as hell powerful magic items.
A typical Cenobite would probably read something like this:
AC: 0 (or less... I dunno)
HD: 8-16
Move: 12"
Attacks: 1
Damage: 3d6 (most Cenobites seem to carry bladed weapons)
Special Attacks: Summon chains (perhaps only high-level Cenobites can
do this...) The Cenobite can summon 4d6 chains, each of which has a
razor sharp hook on the end which does 1d4 damage per round and
attachs itself to its target. A strength roll will rip a hook out, but
once they are all attached, they rip their victim apart.
Special Defenses: Regen 2 HP per round
Magic Resistance: 40% (or not... I'm making this up as I go along...)
Morale: 20 (fearless)
Notes: Some Cenobites may have an additional ability... this varies
according to who the Cenobite was in their former life and what their
surroundings were when they were taken to be transformed. i.e. a
bartender might be able to spew forth a blast of highly flammable
alcohol, while a blacksmith may have spikes embedded in his flesh
which he can fire at victims. Cenobites do not appear to be affected
by Holy Water or Holy Ground as vampires or other undead would be...
perhaps because they are not truly undead, but are altered into alien
physiologies. This also means Clerics can never turn or control them.
Mordenkainen's Disjunction combined with a Remove Curse and Heal will
"cure" a Cenobite by replacing the fluid in its body with blood, and
removing the various wire, spikes, nails, and blades that are part of
their flesh. Of course, any Lawful Evil Cenobite will never willingly
let this happen... Cenobites of other alignments may seek out powerful
mages or clerics to help cure them, but their Lawful Cenobite brothers
will pursue them for as long as it takes, and even if the Cenobite is
cured, the other Cenobites will not cease in their quest to return him
or her to the Cenobite Hell... of course, those Cenobites can usually
only be called forth by denizens of the realm through a puzzle box or
other gateway generator... it doesn't appear to be possible for them
to open the gateway from their side. (but there will always be an
adventurous humanoid who wants to take the next step into sensual
satisfaction, and will eventually find a puzzle box.)
The DM whose group I'm now in is using Cenobites as characters,
although I'm pretty sure he runs them a bit diferently than I have
them detailed here. It's helpful to use the soundtracks to the
Hellraiser movies as mood music.
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Generalfeldmarschall Blucher
At 15 Apr 1998 23:57:30 GMT, I, Blucher <blu...@usa.net>, received
this vital message from Commander Reapnos <rea...@aol.com (Reapnos)>
detailing enemy movement near the small town of rec.games.frp.dnd:
[sorry for butting in here, but...]
What books were the Hellraiser movies based on? I tried to find them
for awhile there but I never could.
Advance thanks.
Chris Baile
They were based on a Clive Barker short story (book, perhaps? Never
read it, so I'm not positive) called The Hellbound Heart.
I think it may be from one of the Books of Blood, of which there are
about 3 - collections of short stories written by Barker.
Reapnos
>>[sorry for butting in here, but...]
>>
>>What books were the Hellraiser movies based on? I tried to find them
>>for awhile there but I never could.
>>
>>Advance thanks.
>
>They were based on a Clive Barker short story (book, perhaps? Never
>read it, so I'm not positive) called The Hellbound Heart.
>
>I think it may be from one of the Books of Blood, of which there are
>about 3 - collections of short stories written by Barker.
>
>
Partially correct. The Hellbound Heart was a novella written by Barker, but it
wasn't part of the Books of Blood. It was published her in the U.S. by Harper
Fiction in 1991. It's original printing was in 1986 in England I believe. Most
of the background and info on the Hellraiser Mythos comes from the Hellraiser
comic book, which ran for a few years (some time back). Barker had quite a bit
of input on those comics and even added a new aspect to it with Morte Mamme, a
Goddess type being that opposed Leviathan and his Cenobite servants.
SIR KICLEY
WOW, I thought I was the only one there in D&D land who still felt as strongly
about Hellraiser and it's elements. I have the entire collection of Hellraiser
comix, including an autographed number 1.
I, too made a race of Centobites in my planscape game. I'm now creating a
Ravenloft Domain which is ran by Pinhead as the Domain lord. I can use some of
the ideas listed here, and thankyou for the help.
I also ran "Pinhead" as a Champions character years ago when our group also
played that game.
I have 13th level wizard who while planescaping ran into the centobites, and
developed a spell that reproduced their ability to throw chains.
Robert
James Adams
Isn't it cenobites?
--
Chris Adams.
Seasons don't fear the Reaper,
Nor do the wind nor the sun nor the rain . . .
We can be like they are,
Don't fear the Reaper . . .
- Blue Oyster Cult.
rpgmagyck
Look for Clive Barker in the horror section of your local book store. He wrote the
book "Hellraiser". If you like that, also check out his trilogy of short stories
called "The Books of Blood".
-rpgmagyck
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Generalfeldmarschall Blucher wrote:
> At 15 Apr 1998 23:57:30 GMT, I, Blucher <blu...@usa.net>, received
> this vital message from Commander Reapnos <rea...@aol.com (Reapnos)>
> detailing enemy movement near the small town of rec.games.frp.dnd:
>
> >I myself made up a fiendish race based on the Cenobites. I call them The
> >Tormentors. They reside in a realm which is nothing but a great Labyrinth, on
> >the lowest layer of Acheron. They are led by 13 Lords of Pain, each specialized
> >in a different form of torture and mutilation. The 13 are in turn led by a
> >being known as Tormentus (Leviathan).
> >
> >The puzzle box (or Lament Configuration) is a gate of sorts, but must be solved
> >to function. Unfortunately many different types of puzzles exist, and all
> >attempt a subtle form of charm on the unwitting, compelling them to solve the
> >puzzles.
> >
> >I guess I was just too much of a fan of Hellraiser, but I just couldn't resist.
> >
>
Dave Brohman
rpgmagyck (rpgm...@NOSPAM4MEPLEASEhotmail.com) wrote:
> Look for Clive Barker in the horror section of your local book store.
> He wrote the book "Hellraiser". If you like that, also check out his
> trilogy of short stories called "The Books of Blood".
Actually, he wrote and directed the film, there was no "Hellraiser" book
(originally he wanted to call the fil "Sadomasochists from Beyond the
Grave" but they wouldn't let him). He has also written a number of
other books as well as doing the art that graces the covers of the "Books
of Blood".
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Gabriel McCall
There wasn't a novel, but there was a short story... I'll be decorated with
pins if I can remember the title, but it might be something like The
Hellbound Heart. Or maybe not. Look for a short-story collection by Barker,
it'll probably be in there.
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rpgmagyck
You are right, there was a book, and is is called the Hellbound Heart, which I
forgot to mention in my original post.
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In rec.games.frp.dnd rpgmagyck <rpgm...@NOSPAM4MEPLEASEhotmail.com> wrote:
> You are right, there was a book, and is is called the Hellbound Heart, which I
> forgot to mention in my original post.
Hellbound Heart, the book (novellette) is AFAIK a re-written and fattened
version of a novella/short story appearing in books of blood. (of which
there are 6, not 3 as has been suggested here)
Dani
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Nice Xipe Totec reference.
I would like to put into the collective consciousness that I want Lament Configuration dice. I have the steam punk ones and see that the ability to have that level of detail is now possible.
Someone with this power, please make them. I would pay 20 dollars for a set.