rules for the tonfa?
Steven Farlie
anyone dealt with this before? I know that for a monk practising
jujutsu one-handed weapons are taught with one in each hand (kama,
sai, tonfa). I was considering having the following:
* Exotic monk weapon.
* Damage as 1d6 (1d4 for halfling).
* Can weild with one defending one attacking, so you cannot do a
flurry of blows.
* Defending tonfa can add +(1 or 2) to AC when partial defense, +(2 or
4) to AC for full defense.
So in the end we have flurry of blows exchanged for better defense.
What do you think?
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Steven
Nockermensch
Make tonfa an exotic monkish weapon who also doubles as a buckler.
This is how I understand it. The exotic feat should compensate for the
AC bonus. (which monks badly need, anyway). I'd not increase the bonus
for partial defense, just use the current system (the monk's "better"
partial defense is already figured by the fact he probably has 5+
ranks in tumble). And let your monks use flurry of blows with it, as
flurry is a tough choice as presented.
@ @ Nockermensch, who thinks several weapons could benefit from an
"exotic style" - you buy an exotic feat for the weapon and get
increased combat options, the staff is a prime candidate for this. The
same works in reverse: any fighter worth his salt could use a spiked
chain as a simple (actually martial) flailing weapon, without the
reach and the other fancy techniques.
Samy Merchi
> I have a player wanting a monk who can wield two tonfa (batons). Has
> anyone dealt with this before?
James Wyatt in /ORIENTAL ADVENTURES/.
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> @ @ Nockermensch, who thinks several weapons could benefit from an
> "exotic style" - you buy an exotic feat for the weapon and get
> increased combat options, the staff is a prime candidate for this. The
> same works in reverse: any fighter worth his salt could use a spiked
> chain as a simple (actually martial) flailing weapon, without the
> reach and the other fancy techniques.
I'm inclined to agree. I'm also inclined to 'rule 0' on a case by case basis
rather than make a complex house-rule. I think I will just let the players
know, and if they want to use that spiked chain in a normal manner they can
tell me.
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excellent guide.
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Ed Chauvin IV
>Steven Farlie <s330...@blip.student.blip.anu.blop.au> wrote:
>> I have a player wanting a monk who can wield two tonfa (batons). Has
>> anyone dealt with this before?
>
>James Wyatt in /ORIENTAL ADVENTURES/.
Yeah, but he just made it a club.
Not that I think that's inappropriate, I mean it is small and can already be
Finessed. Just noting that it's a monk weapon and can be used for trip attacks
would be all that I'd do. I mean, it's not like the Tonfa is all that different
from a club, it's just got an extra handle.
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Michael Dingler
>
> Yeah, but he just made it a club.
>
> Not that I think that's inappropriate, I mean it is small and can already be
> Finessed. Just noting that it's a monk weapon and can be used for trip attacks
> would be all that I'd do. I mean, it's not like the Tonfa is all that different
> from a club, it's just got an extra handle.
And any special features would look pretty stupid, IMHO.
It's not as protective as a buckler and the reach is pretty
limited for any special tripping abilites.
Well, I handle monk weapons just like their unarmed attacks
in most respects anyway, so you could use them for a trip
attack. And get the benefits of Ki Strike etc.
...Michael...
(beware of the dangers of overestimating Asian/Elven stuff)
Hunter
wrote:
>
>@ @ Nockermensch, who thinks several weapons could benefit from an
>"exotic style" - you buy an exotic feat for the weapon and get
>increased combat options, the staff is a prime candidate for this. The
>same works in reverse: any fighter worth his salt could use a spiked
>chain as a simple (actually martial) flailing weapon, without the
>reach and the other fancy techniques.
Good Idea!
Stephan Neufang
"Michael Dingler" <mic...@dingler.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> > >James Wyatt in /ORIENTAL ADVENTURES/.
> >
> > Yeah, but he just made it a club.
> >
> > Not that I think that's inappropriate, I mean it is small and can
already be
> > Finessed. Just noting that it's a monk weapon and can be used for trip
attacks
> > would be all that I'd do. I mean, it's not like the Tonfa is all that
different
> > from a club, it's just got an extra handle.
>
> And any special features would look pretty stupid, IMHO.
> It's not as protective as a buckler and the reach is pretty
> limited for any special tripping abilites.
>
Have you ever fought with a Tonfa?
I've learned to use it. My Teacher is a German Police Officer, who has the
4th Dan
in JuJutsu. The Tonfa is more than a club with an extra Handle. You can
catch Weapons,
break them, disarm an opponent, trip him or hold him.
It is a good offensive and defensive weapon when you know how to use it.
Stephan Neufang
Nockermensch
Have you ever fought with a sword?
I've not, but if you go to some SKA events[1], you'll see that the
sword is more than a metal stick with cutting edges. You can deflect
weapons, break them, disarm an opponent, trip him or actually cut and
kill him, if you feel like doing it.
Any weapon (with the exception of orcish double axe and dire flail,
who aren't even physically possible to handle, unless you're
incorporeal) can be deadly in the hands of someone who studied how to
use it.
@ @ Nockermensch, and don't even get me started with rapiers. I mean,
the sole reason for fencing disuse was the advent of FIREARMS. So,
evolution-wise, a rapier in the hands of a experient fencer should be
the most lethal melee weapon in western culture. Forget that bad movie
which ends with a scottish Qin Gon Jin cleaving a foppish fencer. That
only happened because the fencer was gay and Qin Gon Jin used the
force to hold the rapier without his fingers falling on the ground.
[1] you'll enjoy the trip if you don't mind the sight of half-orcs
walking around in fake, non-spiffy, armor and carrying double axes
made of rattan and duct tape. Remember to wear a mighty mighy
bosstones shirt.
DebiHuman
>walking around in fake, non-spiffy, armor and carrying double axes
>made of rattan and duct tape. Remember to wear a mighty mighy
>bosstones shirt.
>
Note that the fake, non-spiffy armor is generally made of kydex (sp?) so that
they all look like smurfs.
Debby
Ed Chauvin IV
>
>"Michael Dingler" <mic...@dingler.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:3C605DF7...@dingler.net...
>> > >James Wyatt in /ORIENTAL ADVENTURES/.
>> >
>> > Yeah, but he just made it a club.
>> >
>> > Not that I think that's inappropriate, I mean it is small and can
>already be
>> > Finessed. Just noting that it's a monk weapon and can be used for trip
>attacks
>> > would be all that I'd do. I mean, it's not like the Tonfa is all that
>different
>> > from a club, it's just got an extra handle.
>>
>> And any special features would look pretty stupid, IMHO.
>> It's not as protective as a buckler and the reach is pretty
>> limited for any special tripping abilites.
>>
>
>Have you ever fought with a Tonfa?
>I've learned to use it. My Teacher is a German Police Officer, who has the
>4th Dan
>in JuJutsu. The Tonfa is more than a club with an extra Handle.
Make a club. Stick an extra handle on it. Voila! Instant tonfa.
>You can catch Weapons,
>break them, disarm an opponent, trip him or hold him.
>It is a good offensive and defensive weapon when you know how to use it.
A monk can do all these things with a club (or tonfa) in D&D if you designate it
as a monk weapon.