Moradin Domains
Mitch Wilson
listed as one of his domains. My player wants to know why because he wants
the favored weapon bonus for his diety. In other words, he wants War
domain for Moradin so he can get a free martial weapons feat for a War
hammer. How should I handle this? Is it my call, or is there a reason why
the god of War doesn't have War as a domain?
He thinks he's getting screwed as there is only one god listed for all
dwarves.
Mitch W
Ben Buckner
A god shouldn't cover every domain just because he's the head
of the pantheon. All you have to do is make up a dwarven war god
and the problem is solved.
Ben B.
Mitch Wilson
Thanks! Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm in the odd position of
having a player more versed in D&D than myself. He's also a tad bit of a
powergamer, so I'm trying to hold him in check. I'm going to run Nemoran's
Vault for him (by Fiery Dragon Productions), and since the setting hasn't
been fleshed out with gods we're just using the default Greyhawk ones.
So let me ask this - would there be any reason why the new made-up god
couldn't have Earth and War domains? There aren't any like this in the
default ones. Also, am I opening up a floodgate by letting him create his
own god (just so he can get the extra feats), or does this seem reasonable
in the name of fun.
Mitch W
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Alfred Hailey
Dwarves have another god dedicated to battle and war specifically (as
opposed to Moradin, who is more of a general overseer of dwarven life).
Clanggedin Silverbeard is the war/battle god, and while I'm unsure as to
what his spheres would be in a default campaign, they're listed as being
Law, Good, War, and Strength in the 'Forgotten Realms Suvival Kit' page
on WotC's site.
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Mike Cantrell
of the net seemed to be that there was a specific war god of the
Dwarves, so didn't necessarily need to have war. Personally, if he's
described as a war god, then he should probably have the war domain.
OTOH, I think clerics are unbalanced, so if you want to snuff the
power-gamer, go for it.
Here's a rundown of the dwarven deities from Demihuman Deities. It's an
FR supplement, but the basis of the non-human pantheons predated FR's
rise to power at TSR. As the nonhuman pantheons are fleshed in the
official rules for D&D, I suspect that they will parallel the FR
expansions to the pantheon:
Abbathor (Greed)
Berronar Truesilver, wife of Moradin (Safety, truth, home, healing,
dwarven home life, records, traditional clan life, marriage, familial
love,faithfulness, loyalty, honesty, obligation, oaths, the family,
protector of dwarven children)
Clangeddin Silverbeard [note: described as primary war god] (Battle,
war, valor, bravery, honor in battle)
Deep Duerra (Psionics, conquest, expansion, duergar warriors, duergar
psionicists)
Dugmaren Brightmantle (Scholarship, invention, discovery)
Dumathoin (Keeper of metals an other buried wealth (secrets under the
earth), the earth's riches, ores, gems, minerals, mining, exploration,
the shield dwarf race [FR mountain dwarves], guardian of the dead)
Gorm Gulthyn (Guardian and protector of all dwarves, dwarven guardians,
defense, watchfulness, vigilance, duty)
Haela Brightaxe (Luck in battle, patron of dwarves who love to fight and
who battle monsters, love of/joy of battle, dwarven monster kills [sic],
dwarven fighter adventurers)
Laduguer (Magical weapon creation, skilled artisans, magic, the gray
dwarf race, protector of gray dwarves)
Marthammor Duin (Guide and protector to dwarven adventurers, explorers,
expatriates, travelers, and wanderers, lightning)
Moradin (Dwarves (survival, renewal, and advancement), creation,
smithing of all sorts, craftsmanship, war, the dwarven race, protection,
metalcraft, stonework (stonemasonry, tunneling, construction),
engineering, dwarven engineers, protection [sic])
Sharindlar (Healing, mercy, romantic love, fertility, dancing,
courtship, the moon)
Thard Harr (The wild dwarven race, jungle survival, hunting)
Vergadain (Wealth, luck, chance, nonevil theives, entrepreneurial skills
such as suspicion, trickery, negotiation, sly cleverness)
If I recall correctly, Moradin was listed in the Deities & Demigods. And
Berronar, Clangeddin, Abbathor, Dumathoin, and Vergadain were later
added in an article in Dragon Magazine/Best of Dragon. The others, I
believe, are the invention of Ed Greenwood for Forgotten Realms. I would
expect that Moradin, Berronar, Clangeddin, Abbathor, Dumathoin, and
Vergadain at the very least will remain in the D&D Greyhawk pantheon for
dwarves. The FR-specific ones may or may not be incorporated.
BTW, wehere are people finding Moradin listed as a War god. I just
checked the cleric list of deities, and the deities section and don't
see it. Is it somewhere else?
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Mitch Wilson
> BTW, wehere are people finding Moradin listed as a War god. I just
> checked the cleric list of deities, and the deities section and don't
> see it. Is it somewhere else?
>
On page 90 of the PHB, under Moradin:
"He governs the arts... metal-working, engineering and war.
Also, thanks for the info on the gods :)
Mitch W
Reginald Blue
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-- Tell him it was an editorial mistake (It probably was, actually.) and
that Moradin doesn't support the War domain in your campaign.
-- Tell him also to do what I did with my cleric of Moradin. Take a (free)
level in fighter (and quit complaining. :-) It acutally works _quite_
well, and only for a short while (until I reached 3rd level cleric) did it
really affect the campaign. (Because I wasn't able to access 2nd level
cleric spells for a level longer than "normal").
Ben Buckner
>
> Thanks! Sorry for the newbie question, but I'm in the odd position of
> having a player more versed in D&D than myself. He's also a tad bit of a
> powergamer, so I'm trying to hold him in check. I'm going to run Nemoran's
> Vault for him (by Fiery Dragon Productions), and since the setting hasn't
> been fleshed out with gods we're just using the default Greyhawk ones.
>
> So let me ask this - would there be any reason why the new made-up god
> couldn't have Earth and War domains? There aren't any like this in the
> default ones. Also, am I opening up a floodgate by letting him create his
> own god (just so he can get the extra feats), or does this seem reasonable
> in the name of fun.
I'd let him do much of the god's background himself, but be sure
to keep control over it. Powergamer/munchkin clerics invariably
seem to come up with combat-oriented gods that will let the PC
get away with anything in the name of remorseless slaughter,
so make sure that you impose some kind of halfway restrictive
ethical code if he doesn't come up with one, and steer him away
from making "the god of killing shit." I'd let him pick the
god's domains (no more than 3, and at least one should be an
alignment domain). War and Earth sound reasonable. If he decides
to create a nonstandard domain, I wouldn't let him pick the spells
and powers himself. Enforce his alignment too. It doesn't bother
me much if a rogue drifts a little bit, but if a lawful good
cleric is, for example, going around lying and beating people
up for no good reason, his god should be getting mighty pissed
off.
Ben B.
Mike Cantrell
Yep. Didn't read deep enough into the list when I glanced at it
yesterday. Yer welcome.
Hong Ooi
wrote:
>The PHB states Moradin is the god of War for the dwarves, but War is not
>listed as one of his domains. My player wants to know why because he wants
>the favored weapon bonus for his diety. In other words, he wants War
>domain for Moradin so he can get a free martial weapons feat for a War
>hammer. How should I handle this? Is it my call, or is there a reason why
>the god of War doesn't have War as a domain?
ISTR that Moradin's domains been altered to include War as well. It's
not in the official errata, but I think it was on Eric Noah's site at
one stage.
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John Millington
: Is it my call, or is there a reason why
: the god of War doesn't have War as a domain?
It is *always* your call.
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
John Millington
Bo Armstrong
solution after seeing the posts and having my memory refreshed
about Clangeddin Silverbeard was to allow him as the clerics
Deity and allow the warhammer feat.
I am not sure however that because Moradin's prefferred
Weapon is the Warhammer it would also be Clangeddin's.
Any Opinions On this
Bo
Allan Seyberth
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Maransreth
(Allan Seyberth) wrote:
>Clangeddin is described as using mitril battleaxes in each hand.
>
Yeppers, battleaxe is the preferred weapon for Clangeddin and his
priests.
maransreth
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>>I am the one that asked this question a few weeks ago and my
>>solution after seeing the posts and having my memory refreshed
>>about Clangeddin Silverbeard was to allow him as the clerics
>>Deity and allow the warhammer feat.
>> I am not sure however that because Moradin's prefferred
>> Weapon is the Warhammer it would also be Clangeddin's.
>>Any Opinions On this
>>Bo
>>
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Bo Armstrong
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