How do you say "Lich"?
Geoff Wignall
Sorry in advance if this question has come up before:
I've gamed with several different groups over the past 12 years and I've never
really sought an answer to this. Most people seem to pronounce LICH as
rhyming with RICH. I myself say it this way, however I have heard more than a
few people say it as LICK. Does anyone know the accepted (at
least among gamers) pronunciation? Replies via email or followup. Thanks in
advance,
--Geoff
BTW -- Funny how I don't check newsgroups for awhile and, when I come back,
the longest thread I've ever seen has the title "Lesbian Paladins". Why
didn't I get that kind of response to my article entitled "The many uses of
the 'Cure Light Hair Loss' Spell"?
Tim and Kim
Geoff Wignall wrote:
>
> Sorry in advance if this question has come up before:
>
> I've gamed with several different groups over the past 12 years and I've never
> really sought an answer to this. Most people seem to pronounce LICH as
> rhyming with RICH. I myself say it this way, however I have heard more than a
> few people say it as LICK. Does anyone know the accepted (at
> least among gamers) pronunciation? Replies via email or followup. Thanks in
> advance,
>
> --Geoff
It rhymes with "rich." Anyone who pronounces it "lick" is probably
among those same "literates" (and I use that word _very_ loosely) who
pronounce "mage" as "mag" (rhymes with "hag") or "madge" (Palmolive,
anyone?). Numerous times throughout the years, pronunciation guides
have been published in Dragon or other sources (there's even one in the
FAQ for this newsgroup).
While I will agree that a pronunciation guide is necessary to correctly
say "ixitxachitl" or "couatl," words like "mage," "mana," "lichen,"
"chitin," "tarot," etc. can be found in any dictionary. I even ran
across one individual who pronounced "magic" as "magg-ick."
Come on, people. Just because the game is fantasy is no reason to
completely rewrite the English language.
Tim
R. Price
I once had a player who called the High Tower of Sorcery on Krynn the
High Tower of Soresy. (I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, since
this was the same player who thought a thief was a "thyfe".
Richard L. Price
qu...@horizon.hit.net
http://www.hit.net/~quest
John O. Haraldson
In <32E753...@horizon.hit.net> "R. Price" <qu...@horizon.hit.net>
writes:
>Tim and Kim wrote:
>>
>> Geoff Wignall wrote:
Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
"en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
J. McGuire
R. Price wrote:
>
> I once had a player who called the High Tower of Sorcery on Krynn the
> High Tower of Soresy. (I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, since
> this was the same player who thought a thief was a "thyfe".
I used to know a guy who ate brefix and wrote with a penxil, and the
English-speaking world is full of people who think the thing inside an
atom is a new-kew-luss.
-- Jean
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http://www.io.com/~wtsoft | from my address before replying via email
"Honor is not a matter of doing what is right when it is easy and
convenient; even a cat will do that. Honor lies in doing what is right
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mark edward hardwidge
J. McGuire (jmcg...@wtsoft.REMOVE.THIS.com) wrote:
> I used to know a guy who ate brefix and wrote with a penxil, and the
> English-speaking world is full of people who think the thing inside an
> atom is a new-kew-luss.
And it's amazing how wide spread the word 'nucular' is. It
doesn't even sound _too_ wrong when people say 'nucular bomb' or
'nucular power'.
--
Mark E. Hardwidge
hard...@uiuc.edu
Joe Feyas
R. Price wrote:
>
> Tim and Kim wrote:
> >
> > Geoff Wignall wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I've gamed with several different groups over the past 12 years and I've never
> > > really sought an answer to this. Most people seem to pronounce LICH as
> > > rhyming with RICH. I myself say it this way, however I have heard more than a
> > > few people say it as LICK. Does anyone know the accepted (at
> > > least among gamers) pronunciation? Replies via email or followup. Thanks in
> > > advance,
> > >
> > > --Geoff
> >
> > It rhymes with "rich." Anyone who pronounces it "lick" is probably
> > among those same "literates" (and I use that word _very_ loosely) who
> > pronounce "mage" as "mag" (rhymes with "hag") or "madge" (Palmolive,
> > anyone?). Numerous times throughout the years, pronunciation guides
> > have been published in Dragon or other sources (there's even one in the
> > FAQ for this newsgroup).
> >
> > While I will agree that a pronunciation guide is necessary to correctly
> > say "ixitxachitl" or "couatl," words like "mage," "mana," "lichen,"
> > "chitin," "tarot," etc. can be found in any dictionary. I even ran
> > across one individual who pronounced "magic" as "magg-ick."
> >
> > Come on, people. Just because the game is fantasy is no reason to
> > completely rewrite the English language.
> >
> > Tim
>
> High Tower of Soresy. (I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, since
> this was the same player who thought a thief was a "thyfe".
>
new magical item; a tree the grows swords and axes.
I once made the classic blunder (in high school) of pronoucing CHASM as
CHAZ-IM. I still can't live it down.
Joe
--
"Kneel and swear to the Lord Dragon, or be KNELT!"
- Thus the unstained tower, broken, bent knee to the Dragon Reborn
Death Walks Among You
J. McGuire wrote:
>
> R. Price wrote:
> >
> > I once had a player who called the High Tower of Sorcery on Krynn the
> > High Tower of Soresy. (I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, since
> > this was the same player who thought a thief was a "thyfe".
>
> English-speaking world is full of people who think the thing inside an
> atom is a new-kew-luss.
We had an interesting moment in one of our dungeon crawls where the
thief scouted into the next room, saw a large rift, and reported back
that there was a "chasm" (pronounced like the ch in child). The party
cleric, without missing a beat, said, "Maybe it's controlled by the
forces of 'chaos'!" (ch also as in child).
You had to be there, but we laughed and laughed. The thief had a real
problem living that one down.
Ernest
Jason Coppes
mark edward hardwidge wrote:
>
> J. McGuire (jmcg...@wtsoft.REMOVE.THIS.com) wrote:
> > I used to know a guy who ate brefix and wrote with a penxil, and the
> > English-speaking world is full of people who think the thing inside an
> > atom is a new-kew-luss.
>
> doesn't even sound _too_ wrong when people say 'nucular bomb' or
> 'nucular power'.
>
> --
> Mark E. Hardwidge
> hard...@uiuc.edu
Two guys I know pronounce Tarrasque as Tarsque. Where the other r and
the a went is anybody's guess. :)
--
Jason Coppes
ja...@vbe.com
"Those who are upset by criticism admit that they deserve it."
Cornelius Tacitus, Roman historian
Foru...@nycnet.com
joh...@ix.netcom.com(John O. Haraldson) wrote:
>Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
>"en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
>it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
>its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
Or how about Lich bin ein Undeader?
Gerald Katz
He-Men characters have a right to exist!
Joseph Jeskiewicz
John O. Haraldson wrote:
>
> Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
> "en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
> it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
> its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
to simply rich leak, .......
Smith
Joe--
Tim and Kim
Blake A. Duffey wrote:
>
> Alright linguists!
>
> Lich rhymes with rich.
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
> --
>
> Blake A. Duffey
> bl...@luna.moonstar.com
It rhymes with "cow," although many people started saying it as rhyming
with "throw;" so, odds are, if you use the long "o" pronunciation,
people won't look at you weirdly (most of them think that's how it's
_supposed_ to be pronounced.
Tim
Tim and Kim
Ruediger Landmann wrote:
>
> "Lich" is a real Middle English word, simply meaning "man", and a rhyme
> with "rich" is probably quite close to the original ME pronounciation. I
> believe that there is a modern German word cognate with "lich" that means
> corpse. Anyone?
>
> On the subject of strange pronounciations of words, someone in our group
> always insisted on pronouncing "tarot" to rhyme with "carrot", and no
> amount of argument, and no quantity of dictionaries could convince him
> otherwise. *shrug*
>
> |/
> |\VELDULF
Actually, the Middle English word "lich" _does_ (did?) mean "corpse."
The word is still used in reference to a "lich gate," which is kind of
like a covered-bridge-looking structure at the entrance to a cemetary,
which was probably used to keep the soon-to-be-interred out of the
weather while the hole was being dug and preparations for the funeral
were being made.
Tim
P.S. For those who are curious and don't know, "tarot" is pronounced
like "arrow." The "t" is silent.
Tim and Kim
Oops. The _second_ "t" is silent. It's pronounced "tarrow." Sorry for
any inconvenience.
Tim
Tim and Kim
Foru...@nycnet.com wrote:
>
> joh...@ix.netcom.com(John O. Haraldson) wrote:
>
> >Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
> >"en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
> >it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
> >its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
>
>
> Gerald Katz
LOL. Good one.
Tim
lut...@ix.netcom.com
IGeoff Wignall wrote:
>
> Sorry in advance if this question has come up before:
>
> I've gamed with several different groups over the past 12 years and I've never
> really sought an answer to this. Most people seem to pronounce LICH as
> rhyming with RICH. I myself say it this way, however I have heard more than a
> few people say it as LICK. Does anyone know the accepted (at
> least among gamers) pronunciation? Replies via email or followup. Thanks in
> advance,
>
> --Geoff
>
> the longest thread I've ever seen has the title "Lesbian Paladins". Why
> didn't I get that kind of response to my article entitled "The many uses of
> the 'Cure Light Hair Loss' Spell"?
I may be wrong too but I've always pronounced it Litch.
Nana Yaw Ofori
In article <01bc0984$1e6b1ac0$LocalHost@blake>, "Blake A. Duffey"
<bl...@luna.moonstar.com> wrote:
> Alright linguists!
>
> Lich rhymes with rich.
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
> --
>
>
> Blake A. Duffey
> bl...@luna.moonstar.com
Not this question again...
The only answer that I shall ever give to this query, is one that I saw
on the newsgroup a year or so ago.
THE ABSOLUTE, OFFICIAL PRONUNCIATION of DROW!
*Fanfare* *Fanfare* *Fanfare*
"Drow" is pronounced to rhyme with "bow"
Everyone who pronounces it any other way
should be drawn and quartered.
*Fanfare* *fanfare* *Fanfare*
Thank You.
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JaCO'B
On 23 Jan 1997, John O. Haraldson wrote:
> Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
> "en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
> it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
> its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
I've got number 4(?)
My friend Jarod pronounces it "Liche"
JaCO'B <Job...@odin.cbu.edu>
Think of it Joe. Twelve men. One boat. What could be better?
Ruediger Landmann
Blake A. Duffey
Chris Kern
Tim and Kim <twj...@cloudnet.com> wrote:
>It rhymes with "rich." Anyone who pronounces it "lick" is probably
>among those same "literates" (and I use that word _very_ loosely) who
>pronounce "mage" as "mag" (rhymes with "hag") or "madge" (Palmolive,
>anyone?).
How about these:
"Psiconics"
"Leech" (Lich)
"L(eye)ch" (Lich)
-Chris
Remove "junkmail" in my return address to reply.
Josh Hein
In article <32E7E0...@vbe.com>, Jason Coppes <ja...@vbe.com> wrote:
>mark edward hardwidge wrote:
>
>Two guys I know pronounce Tarrasque as Tarsque. Where the other r and
>the a went is anybody's guess. :)
It got hungry.
-Josh
J. McGuire
Tim and Kim wrote:
>
> Blake A. Duffey wrote:
> >
> > Alright linguists!
> >
> > Lich rhymes with rich.
> >
> > Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
> > --
> It rhymes with "cow," although many people started saying it as rhyming
> with "throw;" so, odds are, if you use the long "o" pronunciation,
> people won't look at you weirdly (most of them think that's how it's
> _supposed_ to be pronounced.
Gee...in my world, it's pronounced "sharn'their" 8-) (th as in "thumb")
Tim and Kim
Mary Alison Lucio wrote:
>
> I've always thought wyvern was (WHY)(vern), I've since been told
> (WI)(vern). Naturally, being the mighty DM I am, I dropped bolts of
> lightening from the sky and insisted that the creature is called a
> why'-vern in my campaign. Nevertheless, being both benevolent
> AND omnipotent, I humble myself and search for the true pronunciation.
>
> Mike
>
> (To my players-It is still Why'-vern to you guys!)
>
>
> Geoff Wignall (gwig...@spectranet.ca) wrote:
I've heard of people using the "wiv-ern" pronunciation. However, you
are correct. It is pronounced "Why, Vern?"
Tim
Scowling Jim Cowling
In article <5c9fts$m...@News.Dal.Ca>, mlu...@is.dal.ca (Mary Alison Lucio) wrote:
>I've always thought wyvern was (WHY)(vern), I've since been told
>(WI)(vern). Naturally, being the mighty DM I am, I dropped bolts of
>lightening from the sky and insisted that the creature is called a
>why'-vern in my campaign. Nevertheless, being both benevolent
>AND omnipotent, I humble myself and search for the true pronunciation.
According to my Oxford English Dictionary, it's pronounced *either* way; it
lists "WHYvern" first, and then "also WIVERN" (transliterated from dictionary
symbols I can't put into ASCII).
Lich rhymes with Rich. A lich-gate is "a roofed gateway to a churchyard where
a coffin awaits the clergyman's arrival".
>(To my players-It is still Why'-vern to you guys!)
Good thing I don't play with you, then, as I refuse to use that pronunciation.
:)
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Steven Taylor
Geoff Wignall wrote:
> BTW -- Funny how I don't check newsgroups for awhile and, when I come back,
> the longest thread I've ever seen has the title "Lesbian Paladins". Why
> didn't I get that kind of response to my article entitled "The many uses of
> the 'Cure Light Hair Loss' Spell"?
Because you didn't mention religion! Maybe you shaould ask "what does
the Catholic Church say about Rogaine (with Monoxidil)"? :)
BTW, I always pronounced it rhyming with "rich".
Steven Taylor
Lawrence R. Mead
Blake A. Duffey (bl...@luna.moonstar.com) wrote:
: Alright linguists!
:
: Lich rhymes with rich.
:
: Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
In Dragon magazine issue 93 Frank Mentzer indicates the proper
pronunciation of Drow should rhyme with snow. Some time ago, someone
here emailed to Frank to see if Gygax agreed. The report back was that
yes Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with snow or roe or no. That settles
the question in my mind (sorry I cannot recall who first posted this).
DMGorgon
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Phase
ck...@junkmailnetnitco.net (Chris Kern) writes:
>Everyone I've met has said either "Terra-skew" or "Tarrasquee" until I
>corrected them. The correct p. is "Tuh-rahsk", nee?
Soo deshoo.
I hated the people who told me ethereal was pronounced
as "E-the-re-al" instead of "Eh-ther-real" though. (:
--
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Walking slowly, thinking frantically...
So many words on the tip of my tongue, but my foot is in the way
Steven Taylor
J. McGuire wrote:
> R. Price wrote:
> > I once had a player who called the High Tower of Sorcery on Krynn the
> > High Tower of Soresy. (I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, since
> > this was the same player who thought a thief was a "thyfe".
> I used to know a guy who ate brefix and wrote with a penxil, and the
> English-speaking world is full of people who think the thing inside an
> atom is a new-kew-luss.
My favorites: "Comryr", "Druh" elves, and "ottagug". Had a player who
was so averse to "cussing" that she refused to say "bastard sword",
instead saying "basting sword" (tounge in cheek, of course). BTW how
else do you expect us to describe that particular aspect of "nucular"
science :)
Steven Taylor
-
Otis Viles
On 24 Jan 1997 03:06:39 GMT, "Blake A. Duffey"
<bl...@luna.moonstar.com> wrote:
>Lich rhymes with rich.
>
>Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
Cow, usually. Read the FAQ, there's an entire section on common
pronunciations.
Otis.
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Barry Hedstrom
Blake A. Duffey wrote:
>
> Alright linguists!
>
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
"Oh no! it's a Drow on Giant Crow!"
"Oh wow! It's a Drow on a Carniverous Cow!"
Sh'ow' some initiative and decide for yourself.
Barry
TSR Dragon
I just looked at Frank's article in issue #93, and he gives both
pronunciations as valid. (Though one could debate what those
pronunciations are, since the key is odd.)
"Officially" around TSR, drow rhymes with cow, which I think makes them
sound kind of silly, rather than scary. I've always used drow as in crow,
and I agree with Barry: use the pronunciation that suits you best.
Dave
R J Richards
'Cow' apparently.
Hazara
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J. McGuire
Dave Harper wrote:
>
> Ya know, speaking as a cat-lover, I have to ask why cats were used in
> this example. Wouldn't, say, a dog be better? <nasty evil grin>
You don't know my cat. 8-)
Phase
lrm...@whale.st.usm.edu (Lawrence R. Mead) writes:
>In Dragon magazine issue 93 Frank Mentzer indicates the proper
>pronunciation of Drow should rhyme with snow. Some time ago, someone
>here emailed to Frank to see if Gygax agreed. The report back was that
>yes Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with snow or roe or no. That settles
>the question in my mind (sorry I cannot recall who first posted this).
opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.Yes, a mindless TSR novel reader and Drizzt worshipper. ;)
Tim and Kim
Nana Yaw Ofori wrote:
> Not this question again...
>
> The only answer that I shall ever give to this query, is one that I saw
> on the newsgroup a year or so ago.
>
> THE ABSOLUTE, OFFICIAL PRONUNCIATION of DROW!
>
> *Fanfare* *Fanfare* *Fanfare*
>
> "Drow" is pronounced to rhyme with "bow"
>
> should be drawn and quartered.
>
> *Fanfare* *fanfare* *Fanfare*
>
> Thank You.
>
in something you use to shoot arrows, or "bow" as in something you do
after a performance?
Now, I'll take a bow (which is what Drow rhymes with).
Tim
Steven Taylor
J. McGuire wrote:
>
> Tim and Kim wrote:
> >
> > > Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
> Gee...in my world, it's pronounced "sharn'their" 8-) (th as in "thumb")
In my campaign it's pronounce "Not _another_ Underdark adventure!" or
"Kill It!", depending on the player ;)
Steven Taylor
Aardy R. DeVarque
gwig...@spectranet.ca (Geoff Wignall) wrote:
>Sorry in advance if this question has come up before:
It has. Several times. :) See below...
>I've gamed with several different groups over the past 12 years and I've never
>really sought an answer to this. Most people seem to pronounce LICH as
>rhyming with RICH. I myself say it this way, however I have heard more than a
>few people say it as LICK. Does anyone know the accepted (at
>least among gamers) pronunciation?
As listed in part 5 of the FAQ for this newsgroup, the correct pronunciation
of "lich" is LITCH, *not* LIKE or LICK (both of which I've heard--but then,
I've heard about half a dozen variations on my last name [Hahn], the
pronunciation of which should be patently obvious--and no joke suggested
pronunciations on that please, I get enough from the telemarketers)
Aardy R. DeVarque
Feudalsim: Serf & VRML
Cymbelline
>Blake A. Duffey wrote:
>>
>
>> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
Drow does rhyme with Cow.
Regards,
Cymbelline.
Dave Harper
Following the agenda of the New World Order, "Blake A. Duffey"
<bl...@luna.moonstar.com> said:
>Alright linguists!
>Lich rhymes with rich.
>Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
Dragon had a list of monsters and how to pronounce them (I enjoyed the
one for Ixitichitl). Drow is "cow". And lich is, in fact, rich. =)
Dave
"She said role-playing games were the creation of Satan. Dead
clever of him. I mean, sitting down there in Hell, working out
all the combat tables and everything. I bet he used to really
*swear* every time the dice caught fire..."
-Only You Can Save Mankind, Terry Pratchett
Dave Harper
Following the agenda of the New World Order, "J. McGuire"
<jmcg...@wtsoft.REMOVE.THIS.com> said:
>Gee...in my world, it's pronounced "sharn'their" 8-) (th as in "thumb")
Ah, Jean, you do always come up with a way to get some gaming out of a
totally irrelevant thread. =) Thanks. I think I'll go give my races
weird names now. <g>
>"Honor is not a matter of doing what is right when it is easy and
>convenient; even a cat will do that. Honor lies in doing what is right
>when it is difficult and unpleasant."
Ya know, speaking as a cat-lover, I have to ask why cats were used in
this example. Wouldn't, say, a dog be better? <nasty evil grin>
Oh, please, people. You have better things to do with your time than
to flame me, or to start a thread dealing with the honour of animals
or whether or not animals HAVE honour, or if it can be applied to
them. Go read a book, or relax, or have sex, or something.
stephenJ
ROTFL!!!
stephenJ
Phase wrote:
>
> lrm...@whale.st.usm.edu (Lawrence R. Mead) writes:
>
> >In Dragon magazine issue 93 Frank Mentzer indicates the proper
> >pronunciation of Drow should rhyme with snow. Some time ago, someone
> >here emailed to Frank to see if Gygax agreed. The report back was that
> >yes Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with snow or roe or no. That settles
> >the question in my mind (sorry I cannot recall who first posted this).
>
> I wonder what Salvatore thinks. I'd probably take his
> opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.
>
>
Gaku Sato
> I've always thought wyvern was (WHY)(vern), I've since been told
> (WI)(vern). Naturally, being the mighty DM I am, I dropped bolts of
> lightening from the sky and insisted that the creature is called a
> why'-vern in my campaign. Nevertheless, being both benevolent
> AND omnipotent, I humble myself and search for the true pronunciation.
>
According to Webster's Third New International:
_Lich_ rhymes with "itch."
_Wyvern_ (much to my surprise!) is pronounced WHY-vern. Go figure. I'd
always heard and said WIV-ern.
Gaku
Phase
stephenJ <sja...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>> I wonder what Salvatore thinks. I'd probably take his
>> opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.
>>
>That's pretty sad
Ian Hutchinson
Tough call. Does it follow sound patterns like throw or grow? Does it
follow sound patterns like brow? I find that Drow Elf rolls off the tongue
easier if you pronounce it like brow.
Ian
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condition of it.
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Blake A. Duffey <bl...@luna.moonstar.com> wrote in article
<01bc0984$1e6b1ac0$LocalHost@blake>...
> Alright linguists!
>
> Lich rhymes with rich.
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
> --
>
>
> Blake A. Duffey
> bl...@luna.moonstar.com
>
>
Nana Yaw Ofori
> I think you started the fanfare a bit too early. Do you mean "bow" as
> in something you use to shoot arrows, or "bow" as in something you do
> after a performance?
Um...That was kind of the point. \|=)
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Nana Yaw Ofori <nof...@pop3.utoledo.edu> wrote in article
>
> Not this question again...
>
> The only answer that I shall ever give to this query, is one that I
saw
> on the newsgroup a year or so ago.
>
> THE ABSOLUTE, OFFICIAL PRONUNCIATION of DROW!
>
> *Fanfare* *Fanfare* *Fanfare*
>
> "Drow" is pronounced to rhyme with "bow"
>
> Everyone who pronounces it any other way
> should be drawn and quartered.
>
> *Fanfare* *fanfare* *Fanfare*
>
> Thank You.
>
Is that 'bow' as in 'long bow, with a quiver of arrows', or 'bow' as in
'the bow of a ship'??
;)
Hierophant
Phase wrote:
>
> stephenJ <sja...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
> >> I wonder what Salvatore thinks. I'd probably take his
> >> opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.
> >>
> >That's pretty sad
>
> Cunningham then?
What about the old scottish fairy tale tellers?
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| murdered ghost can haunt me
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Chris Anderson
No, no, no...
Lich is pronounced "Oh, shit..."
Neil Barnes <nb4...@ncs.bris.ac.uk> wrote in article
<E4IIv...@fsa.bris.ac.uk>...
> John O. Haraldson (joh...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> :
> : Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
> : "en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
> : it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
> : its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
>
> I understand it's taken from the Old English word Liche, meaning body, as
> found currently in Lichgate and Lichyard (a Lichgate is a gate that
> enters a church's graveyard through which coffins were brought). It's
> pronounced like Rich.
>
> neil
>
> chuck...@lsh.org
>
Tuan Nguyen
Paul Porter wrote:
>
> Steven Taylor <ste...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> J. McGuire wrote:
> >
> > Tim and Kim wrote:
> > >
> > > Blake A. Duffey wrote:
>
>
>
> "Kill It!", depending on the player ;)
>
>
> But then again, we are only 1st level... :)
>
> PoP
>
> Go Gators!!!
Well, in my campaign, it rhymes with "oh, MITT!" and is followed by the
sound of crumpling character sheets and the sweet sound of 4 dice
rolling.
ChAoS
I have heard the tarrasque pronounced TERRASK, TERRISK, TAIRISK, AND THE
ATTROCIOUS TERRASKUE.
just adding to the confusion. I know the real tarrasque pronounciation,
I read the FAQ.
Paul Porter
Paul Porter
I170...@VM.SC.EDU (Phase) wrote:
lrm...@whale.st.usm.edu (Lawrence R. Mead) writes:
>In Dragon magazine issue 93 Frank Mentzer indicates the proper
>pronunciation of Drow should rhyme with snow. Some time ago, someone
>here emailed to Frank to see if Gygax agreed. The report back was that
>yes Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with snow or roe or no. That settles
>the question in my mind (sorry I cannot recall who first posted this).
I wonder what Salvatore thinks. I'd probably take his
opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.
AMEN Brother!! After all, he only fleshed out the race
(kinda sorta for the most part...
PoP
Go Gators!!!
Eric P. Peterson
In article <01bc0984$1e6b1ac0$LocalHost@blake>, "Blake A. Duffey"
<bl...@luna.moonstar.com> wrote:
> Alright linguists!
>
> Lich rhymes with rich.
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
> --
Drow rhymes with cow.
Eric
Phase
you'll be calling dark elves "dwarves", and that's no
joke!
Tim and Kim
Yes, but Gygax _created_ the race (including it's name).
Tim
Lawrence R. Mead
Phase (I170...@VM.SC.EDU) wrote:
: lrm...@whale.st.usm.edu (Lawrence R. Mead) writes:
:
: >In Dragon magazine issue 93 Frank Mentzer indicates the proper
: >pronunciation of Drow should rhyme with snow. Some time ago, someone
: >here emailed to Frank to see if Gygax agreed. The report back was that
: >yes Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with snow or roe or no. That settles
: >the question in my mind (sorry I cannot recall who first posted this).
:
: I wonder what Salvatore thinks. I'd probably take his
: opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.
Why? Who is Salvatore and what did he have to do with inventing Drow?
DMGorgon
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Baekon
Lawrence R. Mead wrote:
> Why? Who is Salvatore and what did he have to do with inventing Drow?
> DMGorgon
Ever heard of Drizzt Do'Urden? He is the Drow Ranger who has made a name for himself
on the surface of the Forgotton Realms for being not only the Realm's most powerful
warrior, but for also being just an all around good guy. Well, R.A. Salvatore is the
author and creator of the most popular TSR hero, and gave the Drow race an actual
personality. Gygax may have created the name, Drow, but Salvatore gave the race a
personality and background. Salvatore currently has 10 novels about Drizzt and fellow
adventurers. You should chekc them out, they're all great.
CHRIS
P.S. I pronounce Drow as in taking a bow after a performance. Oh yeah, and if you
look back into history or myth or whatever you want to call it, I think you'll find
that other than some technical aspects, Gygax hasn't created shit. Dark elves were
around before he was.
Tim and Kim
Baekon wrote:
>
> Lawrence R. Mead wrote:
>
> > Why? Who is Salvatore and what did he have to do with inventing Drow?
> > DMGorgon
<snip>
> Gygax may have created the name, Drow, but Salvatore gave the race a
> personality and background. Salvatore currently has 10 novels about Drizzt and fellow
> adventurers. You should chekc them out, they're all great.
>
> CHRIS
Well, that's all fine and dandy, Chris, but we were discussing the
"pronuncitation" of the word "Drow." Yes, R.A. Salvatore wrote those
fine books, and did a lot of work on creating a believable society for
Drow elves. However, Gaygax came up with the name. After all, would
you believe Einstein discussing his relativisitic theories, or someone
who wrote a book about it years later.
> P.S. I pronounce Drow as in taking a bow after a performance.
And that _is_ the correct pronunciation, as created by Gary Gygax.
> Oh yeah, and if you
> look back into history or myth or whatever you want to call it, I think you'll find
> that other than some technical aspects, Gygax hasn't created shit.
I'm definitely not a Gygax fan (I prefer to think of him as the King of
the Munchkins, based on the style of the adventures and other games he
has created), however, one cannot deny his role as a major impetus in
the creation of this fine game we are all discussing (without which,
R.A. Salvatore wouldn't have written shit).
> Dark elves were
> around before he was.
"Dark" elves have showed up in a lot of mythology. However, these in
_no_ way even remotely represented the Drow. The mythological "dark
elves" were so called because of their evil, not the color of their
skin. As a matter of fact, they looked just like any other elves.
"Drow" elves were _not_ around before Gygax. It is a physical
impossibility, since he created them.
Now, I don't want to stand in the way of your worship of R.A. Salvatore,
but, as I remember telling several people in reference to Gary Gygax (at
Gen Con 17), "He is not a god."
I don't personally have a lot of respect for fantasy authors, since 99%
of those writing fantasy since the time of Tolkien have been riding on
his coattails (as a matter of fact, editors of magazines are so sick of
seeing elves, dwarves, etc. done in Tolkienesque style they could puke).
But, like the post to which I am responding, I am digressing.
We've resolved the pronunciation issue, so nothing more need be said.
Tim
ETAN MOONSTAR
>>> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
Hopefully this answer will settle the question. Does Drow rhyme with cow or
bow? Just ask your Dungeon Master! *grin*
--Etan Moonstar
Don Quijote
On 24 Jan 1997, Blake A. Duffey wrote:
> Alright linguists!
>
> Lich rhymes with rich.
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
Please! Please have mercy on us all! Don't start this. IF you read this
message, please, please don't reply! Don't continue this worthless and
unimportant thread. Don't go there. Don't be _that_ guy.
> --
> Blake A. Duffey
> bl...@luna.moonstar.com
Ben McFarland.
The last thing too many parties hear:
"Something's happened to the scout!"
Raven
> > "Drow" is pronounced to rhyme with "bow"
> >
> > Everyone who pronounces it any other way
> > should be drawn and quartered.
Look inside the "Forgotten Realms" boxed set.
From "A Grand Tour of the Realms", page 9:
"Dark elves, also called drow (pronounced to rhyme
with 'now' or 'how'), ..."
--
Raven ra...@eot.com
"All men hate the wretched; how, then, must I be
hated, who am miserable beyond all living things!"
----the monster, "Frankenstein"
Otis Viles
On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:10:39 -0600, Tim and Kim <twj...@cloudnet.com>
wrote:
>Drow elves. However, Gaygax came up with the name. After all, would
Actually, I believe if you check into Celtic texts you can find the
name there as well (pre-Gygax, considerably so) although they were not
white haired, red eyed, black skinned, +20 DM plot devices.
Otis.
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Lawrence R. Mead
Baekon (Bae...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Lawrence R. Mead wrote:
:
: > Why? Who is Salvatore and what did he have to do with inventing Drow?
: > DMGorgon
: Ever heard of Drizzt Do'Urden? He is the Drow Ranger who has made a name for himself
: warrior, but for also being just an all around good guy. Well, R.A. Salvatore is the
: author and creator of the most popular TSR hero, and gave the Drow race an actual
: adventurers. You should chekc them out, they're all great.
:
: CHRIS
: P.S. I pronounce Drow as in taking a bow after a performance. Oh yeah, and if you
: around before he was. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now that's intelligent.
Phase
Agreed. I take back what I said btw. If I fail to
give Gygax his due respect just because Salvatore
has done so much, I may as well do the same with
Greenwood too, eh? (:
James Duerr
In article <01bc0a7c$f17db0a0$LocalHost@blake>, "Blake A. Duffey" <bl...@luna.moonstar.com> writes:
>
> Nana Yaw Ofori <nof...@pop3.utoledo.edu> wrote in article
> >
> > Not this question again...
> >
> > The only answer that I shall ever give to this query, is one that I
> saw
> > on the newsgroup a year or so ago.
> >
> > THE ABSOLUTE, OFFICIAL PRONUNCIATION of DROW!
> >
> > *Fanfare* *Fanfare* *Fanfare*
> >
> >
> > Everyone who pronounces it any other way
> > should be drawn and quartered.
> >
> >
> > Thank You.
> >
>
>
> Is that 'bow' as in 'long bow, with a quiver of arrows', or 'bow' as in
> 'the bow of a ship'??
>
Erm, bow as in 'the bow of a ship' ( well thats how everyone I know pronounces it
anyway ),
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Nana Yaw Ofori
In article <E4oDLq.Du4.0.sta...@dcs.ed.ac.uk>,
j...@dcs.ed.ac.uk (James Duerr) wrote:
> In article <01bc0a7c$f17db0a0$LocalHost@blake>, "Blake A. Duffey"
<bl...@luna.moonstar.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > Is that 'bow' as in 'long bow, with a quiver of arrows', or 'bow' as in
> > 'the bow of a ship'??
> >
>
> Erm, bow as in 'the bow of a ship' ( well thats how everyone I know
pronounces it
> anyway ),
Argh. I suppose I'll have to explain it.
The whole point of the posting was the ambiuity, I.E. That "bow" can be
pronounced both as in "take a bow" or as in "shoot you all in the skull
with my bow".
I.E., that whether you pronounce it like "bow" or like "bow". doesn't
really matter. Pronounce it the way that the rest of the players in your
group don't laugh uproariously or beat you over the head repeatedly with a
large black crowbar, and you'll do fine.
Now excuse me, I have to go attend a few knoutings.
Tim and Kim
Preface: This is not a flame or insult. I am genuinely interested.
As a student of Celtic mythology, I have never run across any reference
to Drow elves. Could you tell me where you found this information?
Tim
janni...@aol.com
On 24 Jan 1997, Blake A. Duffey wrote:
> Alright linguists!
>
> Lich rhymes with rich.
>
> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
>Please! Please have mercy on us all! Don't start this. IF you read this
>message, please, please don't reply! Don't continue this worthless and
>unimportant thread. Don't go there. Don't be _that_ guy.
> --
> Blake A. Duffey
Sorry failed saving throw vs useless trivia.Just kill the damn surface
plague of Drow and let the Dwarves have their way of containing
them.Generally when a rational surface dweller sees a drow he kills it
before the DM finishes saying "You see a dark skinned...." Better to err
through efficiency than die by stupidity.Do this and drow pronunciation
will be moot.
Jannizzary
Pass the spirits its time to christen a new tunnel
TSR Online Coordinator - TSRinc@aol.com
A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
Tim and Kim (twj...@cloudnet.com) wrote:
>As a student of Celtic mythology, I have never run across any reference
>to Drow elves. Could you tell me where you found this information?
I think they are thinking of the word "drow," which is a corruption
of the old Scottish (?) word "trow," which means "wet."
--
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Xenomorph
RE: pronouncing "LICH"
>Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
>"en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
>it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
>its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
I can see it now ... the Complete Player's Handbook of 101
different pronounciations of the word "lich".
Xeno
mlsh...@cc.memphis.edu
http://www.people.memphis.edu
Xenomorph
>> Alright linguists!
>>
>> Lich rhymes with rich.
>>
>> Does Drow rhyme with 'no' or 'cow'?
>> --
I think that if you all just call the race "Dark Elf(ves)", period,
there will be no more need for discussion.
How often does anyone use the name "Sverfneblin" over their more
common name?
Xeno
mlsh...@cc.memphis.edu
http://www.people.memphis.edu
Tim and Kim
TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com wrote:
>
> A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
>
> Tim and Kim (twj...@cloudnet.com) wrote:
> >As a student of Celtic mythology, I have never run across any reference
> >to Drow elves. Could you tell me where you found this information?
>
> I think they are thinking of the word "drow," which is a corruption
> of the old Scottish (?) word "trow," which means "wet."
>
> --
> Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
Wet elves?
:)
Tim
stephenJ
Yeah, the champ-een of the kiddie-munches.....
He is the Drow Ranger who has made a name for himself
> : on the surface of the Forgotton Realms for being not only the Realm's most powerful
> : warrior, but for also being just an all around good guy.
Well, golly-gee!
Well, R.A. Salvatore is the
> : author and creator of the most popular TSR hero, and gave the Drow race an actual
> : personality.
The Drow race has a personality? Is it shared by Drizzt and the Queen of
Spiders?
Gygax may have created the name, Drow, but Salvatore gave the race a
> : personality and background.
Uhhhh... Ever heard of "Vault of the Drow"???
Salvatore currently has 10 novels about Drizzt and fellow
> : adventurers. You should chekc them out, they're all great.
I've "chekced" one out (bought it at a Barnes cutout bin for $1.95,
hardcover) and it was quite pedestrian - something about warring Drow
houses, scared svirfs, and a Drow invasion of the surface world. Anyone
who had read anything by Gygax about the Drow would've said "been there,
done that, 15 years ago".....
> :
> : CHRIS
> :
> : P.S. I pronounce Drow as in taking a bow after a performance. Oh yeah, and if you
> : look back into history or myth or whatever you want to call it, I think you'll find
> : that other than some technical aspects, Gygax hasn't created shit.
Uhhhh.... Just DD, ADD, and the Drow.....
Dark elves were
> : around before he was. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
But you (and Mr. Salvatore) obviously weren't.....
Bertil Jonell
In article <32ED1E...@cloudnet.com>,
>> Actually, I believe if you check into Celtic texts you can find the
>> name there as well (pre-Gygax, considerably so) although they were not
>As a student of Celtic mythology, I have never run across any reference
>to Drow elves. Could you tell me where you found this information?
It's Norse, and originally the name refers to undeads resulting
from people who'd DROWned, ie no connection to the svartalfir.
>Tim
-bertil-
--
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strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
exercise for your kill-file."
Dave Harper
Following the agenda of the New World Order, Tim and Kim
<twj...@cloudnet.com> said:
>Preface: This is not a flame or insult. I am genuinely interested.
>As a student of Celtic mythology, I have never run across any reference
>to Drow elves. Could you tell me where you found this information?
As somebody besides the original poster...um, he's right, and he's
wrong. Mythology stemming from the Bretagne, Normandie and British
Isles areas talks about "dark elves" or "black elves". They're always
evil. But that's about the extent of the similarity between them and
drow - all elves live underground according to the sources (in hills)
and they're otherwise like ordinary elves, just evil bastards. So you
could say they were Drow before all the powers were added, or ordinary
elves before they were converted to AD&D.
I'm not sure if it was Celtic mythology, or simply native (Welsh
pre-celt, Norman or Saxon after celts, Viking influence, whatever);
those areas were relatively Celt-free during many ages around then,
but were obviously influenced by the Celtic culture nearby.
Dave
"She said role-playing games were the creation of Satan. Dead
clever of him. I mean, sitting down there in Hell, working out
all the combat tables and everything. I bet he used to really
*swear* every time the dice caught fire..."
-Only You Can Save Mankind, Terry Pratchett
Tim and Kim
Dave Harper wrote:
>
> Following the agenda of the New World Order, Tim and Kim
> <twj...@cloudnet.com> said:
>
> >Preface: This is not a flame or insult. I am genuinely interested.
>
> >As a student of Celtic mythology, I have never run across any reference
> >to Drow elves. Could you tell me where you found this information?
>
> As somebody besides the original poster...um, he's right, and he's
> wrong. Mythology stemming from the Bretagne, Normandie and British
> Isles areas talks about "dark elves" or "black elves". They're always
> evil. But that's about the extent of the similarity between them and
> drow - all elves live underground according to the sources (in hills)
> and they're otherwise like ordinary elves, just evil bastards. So you
> could say they were Drow before all the powers were added, or ordinary
> elves before they were converted to AD&D.
> I'm not sure if it was Celtic mythology, or simply native (Welsh
> pre-celt, Norman or Saxon after celts, Viking influence, whatever);
> those areas were relatively Celt-free during many ages around then,
> but were obviously influenced by the Celtic culture nearby.
>
> Dave
Dave, I never questioned the existence of "dark elves" in mythology. As
a matter of fact, in one of my earlier posts, I pointed out the whole
dark elf thing.
My question was about "Drow elves!" The poster to whom I was responding
had mentioned their existence in Celtic mythology. I was questioning
that statement. Since most of my study of Celtic mythology has centered
on Ireland, I thought there might be references in other legends. I'm
still looking, though, and still haven't seen the word "Drow" anywhere
but in D&D.
Tim
Bruce L Grubb
In article <5cj70k$e...@oolong.memphis.edu>, mlsh...@cc.memphis.edu
(Xenomorph) wrote:
> RE: pronouncing "LICH"
>
> >Golly, I always pronounced it to sound like "Like". I just took the
> >"en" off of "Lichen" and viola! So far that's three ways to pronoune
> >it...Either it rhymes with "Rich" or its "Lick" or "Like"...wait maybe
> >its pronounced "Leak" ;-).
>
> I can see it now ... the Complete Player's Handbook of 101
> different pronounciations of the word "lich".
I looked up the work "lich" in a 1955 dictionary. It rhymes with the word
"rich". This is true of the 'lych' spelling of the word as well.
Dave Harper
>Dave, I never questioned the existence of "dark elves" in mythology. As
>a matter of fact, in one of my earlier posts, I pointed out the whole
>dark elf thing.
Whoops. That'll teach me to come in halfway through a thread.
>My question was about "Drow elves!" The poster to whom I was responding
>had mentioned their existence in Celtic mythology. I was questioning
>that statement. Since most of my study of Celtic mythology has centered
>on Ireland, I thought there might be references in other legends. I'm
>still looking, though, and still haven't seen the word "Drow" anywhere
>but in D&D.
Neither have I. AFAIK, Gygax made it up.
The Amorphous Mass
>> Gygax may have created the name, Drow, but Salvatore gave the race a
>> Drizzt and fellow adventurers. You should chekc them out, they're all
>> great.
>
>"pronuncitation" of the word "Drow." Yes, R.A. Salvatore wrote those
>fine books, and did a lot of work on creating a believable society for
Nope. The name was taken from mythology. The name "drow" is Scots(?) for
a dark-skinned, cave-dwelling race of faerie if my memory serves. Gygax
did a nontrivial amount of background work on them; I'm sure Salvatore
has as well, although I haven't read any of his stuff myself.
>> P.S. I pronounce Drow as in taking a bow after a performance.
>
>And that _is_ the correct pronunciation, as created by Gary Gygax.
According to Lawrence's post earlier on this thread, Frank Mentzer
said in Dragon 93 that Drow should rhyme with *snow*, and Gygax agreed.
In fact, it was this point that the PS above was explicitly responding to.
Drow rhyming with "now" is a more recent innovation AFAIK, but it's more
common and no less correct.
>> Dark elves were
>> around before he was.
>
>"Dark" elves have showed up in a lot of mythology. However, these in
>_no_ way even remotely represented the Drow. The mythological "dark
>elves" were so called because of their evil, not the color of their
>skin. As a matter of fact, they looked just like any other elves.
That's true in DragonLance, but I'm not sure it's true in legend. Legend
is murky and varied enough that "elf," "kobold," "troll," and "goblin" can
all refer to more or less the same thing. Mythological elves were often
blamed for stealing babies. If I remember my childhood reading correctly,
elves in Russian myths were viscious spirits the size of trees! From what
has been posted here during the great love-in last year, TSR's Drow do in
fact bear some resemblance to the Scots "drow" and the Norse "dokalfar"
(lit. "dark elf") although they are well-detailed and distinctive enough
that it is not fair to say that Gygax took them body and soul from legend
and didn't do any work to flesh them out. However, it is also not right
to say that he created them /ex nihilo/.
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JohnnyB
The Amorphous Mass wrote:
>
> >> P.S. I pronounce Drow as in taking a bow after a performance.
> >
> >And that _is_ the correct pronunciation, as created by Gary Gygax.
>
> According to Lawrence's post earlier on this thread, Frank Mentzer
> said in Dragon 93 that Drow should rhyme with *snow*, and Gygax agreed.
> In fact, it was this point that the PS above was explicitly responding to.
Hey, almost completely off the subject, has anyone else noticed a
tendency for people from different regions to pronounce "drow"
differently? From my experience, it's always seemed as though people from
the Southeastern US made drow rhyme with "no", while northerners
pronounce it like "now". Any other observations?
JohnnyB
der...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Lawrence R. Mead (lrm...@whale.st.usm.edu) wrote:
: Phase (I170...@VM.SC.EDU) wrote:
: : lrm...@whale.st.usm.edu (Lawrence R. Mead) writes:
: :
: : >pronunciation of Drow should rhyme with snow. Some time ago, someone
: : >here emailed to Frank to see if Gygax agreed. The report back was that
: : >yes Gygax pronounced it to rhyme with snow or roe or no. That settles
: : >the question in my mind (sorry I cannot recall who first posted this).
: :
: : I wonder what Salvatore thinks. I'd probably take his
: : opinion over Gygax's fact to be honest.
: Why? Who is Salvatore and what did he have to do with inventing Drow?
: DMGorgon
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------ Who is Salvatore??? That's like saying you don't know who Drizzt
Do'Urden is... You don't, do you...
Here's all the advice I can give for your problem
1) Get to a bookstore.
2) Buy a book written by this Salvatore guy.
3) Read said book.
4) Read it again.
5) Memorize every passage as if it were holy (it is!)
6) Read it again.
7) Go back to step 1
Once you have gone through these steps you will know who this Salvatore
guy is...
Justice Truth Honor Bravery Faith
Guardian
PS I haven't decided if this is a flame or not... Decide for yourself...
Dave Harper
Following the agenda of the New World Order, JohnnyB
<joh...@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> said:
>Hey, almost completely off the subject, has anyone else noticed a
>tendency for people from different regions to pronounce "drow"
>differently? From my experience, it's always seemed as though people from
>the Southeastern US made drow rhyme with "no", while northerners
>pronounce it like "now". Any other observations?
Yes. You have too much time on your hands.
Tim and Kim
der...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> ------ Who is Salvatore??? That's like saying you don't know who Drizzt
> Do'Urden is... You don't, do you...
>
> Here's all the advice I can give for your problem
>
> 1) Get to a bookstore.
> 2) Buy a book written by this Salvatore guy.
> 3) Read said book.
> 4) Read it again.
> 5) Memorize every passage as if it were holy (it is!)
> 6) Read it again.
> 7) Go back to step 1
8) Realize you're some punk who thinks a writer who does
"shared-reality" drivel is a god.
9) Decide to stop worshiping said "writer."
10) Grow up, get a job, and stop posting ridiculous arguments about a
writer who is fairly good, but hasn't written anything that he came up
with on his own.
I just couldn't let a list end at 7. It's such an odd number. :)
> Once you have gone through these steps you will know who this Salvatore
> guy is...
>
> Justice Truth Honor Bravery Faith
>
> Guardian
>
> PS I haven't decided if this is a flame or not... Decide for yourself...
Neither have I, so I just responded using the same tone as you. Now
it's your turn to decide.
Tim
Mika Elmeranta
: How often does anyone use the name "Sverfneblin" over their more
: common name?
You must mean "Svirfneblin"... Now there's a word that tears the ear... ;)
"Deep Gnomes", am I right?
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JohnnyB
Dave Harper wrote:
>
> Yes. You have too much time on your hands.
>
> Dave
This coming from someone with over 20 current posts to this
newsgroup. There's logic for you.
JohnnyB
Dave Harper
>> Yes. You have too much time on your hands.
>>
>> Dave
> This coming from someone with over 20 current posts to this
>newsgroup. There's logic for you.
Did I, even once, say that I *didn't* have too much time on my hands?
:-P
Actually, I don't, but using the net is one way to deal with my
problems - ignore them.
Steven Taylor
Someone wrote (sorry, the reference to the original poster was missing)
> : How often does anyone use the name "Sverfneblin" over their more
> : common name?
IMC, that's all we call them. "Deep Gnome" however, was a name used by
a Svirfneblin spy in a very humor/pun oriented session we played.
Steven Taylor
srenn...@aol.com
In article <5c9822$q6v$1...@nargun.cc.uq.oz.au>, s30...@student.uq.edu.au
(Ruediger Landmann) writes:
>"Lich" is a real Middle English word, simply meaning "man", and a rhyme
>with "rich" is probably quite close to the original ME pronounciation. I
>believe that there is a modern German word cognate with "lich" that means
>corpse. Anyone?
>
>
If it is a Middle English word (and I'll take your word for it) then being
a Germanic language, would the correct pronunciation not be as a German
(or Scots person such as myself) would pronounce it - that is, pronouncing
LICH as we would say LOCH (as in Loch Ness) - not LOCK, but truly
pronouncing the CH with that gutteral sound most of you guys can't make
(phlegm, think phlegm :-)
Otherwise, why not just spell it LITCH? (Dweebie-sounding word)
Scott
"Loyalty counts, all guilt is relative, and never let your conscience be
your guide!"
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In article <5c9fts$m...@News.Dal.Ca>, mlu...@is.dal.ca (Mary Alison Lucio)
writes:
>I've always thought wyvern was (WHY)(vern), I've since been told
>(WI)(vern). Naturally, being the mighty DM I am, I dropped bolts of
>lightening from the sky and insisted that the creature is called a
>why'-vern in my campaign. Nevertheless, being both benevolent
>AND omnipotent, I humble myself and search for the true pronunciation.
>
>
I always preferred a Germanic pronunciation, which would be VY-FERN
Tim and Kim
Bryan J. Maloney wrote:
>
> In article <19970131223...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> srenn...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > If it is a Middle English word (and I'll take your word for it) then being
>
> once known as the "lich-gate".
Actually, it was called a "lych-gate."
> It's ME proncunciation would likely be
> something like "leekh".
It wouldn't have been likely to be pronounced like that since that is
_not_ the way it was pronounced.
> However, if the word had stayed in common usage
> in English, it would probably now have been pronounced "lik"
Why?
> and possibly
> spelled "lick".
No. It is a rare word in the English language today, but hardly as
obsolete as you make it out to be. It's spelling from middle English to
modern English has changed only in the exchange of the "y" for an "i."
It was not then, nor is it now pronounced anything like any of your
offerings. It is pronounced as if it rhymed with "rich" (the same
pronunciation it has always had). Of course, you probably pronounce
that, "rick."
Tim
Bryan J. Maloney
> If it is a Middle English word (and I'll take your word for it) then being
The gate through which a funeral procession goes in an Engish church was
once known as the "lich-gate". It's ME proncunciation would likely be
something like "leekh". However, if the word had stayed in common usage
in English, it would probably now have been pronounced "lik" and possibly
spelled "lick".
Otis Viles
On a whim, I decided to pull out my Webster's Second Edition New
Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary (at 8.5 x 11 x 6 this was at
risk of personal injury).
And it had: (!)
lich, n: a dead body; a corpse. [Scot. and Brit., Dial.]
Just to muddy the waters ...
Keith Davies
On 31 Jan 1997 22:37:08 GMT, srenn...@aol.com wrote:
> In article <5c9822$q6v$1...@nargun.cc.uq.oz.au>, s30...@student.uq.edu.au
> (Ruediger Landmann) writes:
>
> >"Lich" is a real Middle English word, simply meaning "man", and a rhyme
> >with "rich" is probably quite close to the original ME pronounciation. I
> >believe that there is a modern German word cognate with "lich" that means
> >corpse. Anyone?
I seem to recall (can't remember the source) that 'lich' is derived
from 'licce' - which would encourage the glottal pronounciation.
> If it is a Middle English word (and I'll take your word for it) then being
> a Germanic language, would the correct pronunciation not be as a German
> (or Scots person such as myself) would pronounce it - that is, pronouncing
> LICH as we would say LOCH (as in Loch Ness) - not LOCK, but truly
> pronouncing the CH with that gutteral sound most of you guys can't make
> (phlegm, think phlegm :-)
I can! I can! Ich! Lich! Dich! <cough, cough, swallow> I had my
German classes first thing in the morning - learning the glottal sound
is *easy* then. If you can't get it right, then keep trying but aim
toward 'ick' - nothing annoyed me more in that class than people
saying "ish spreshe Deutsch".
Perhaps I just have a "mouth" for languages (I had a German girlfriend
at the time - she said my pronounciation was more "correct" than hers,
even though I didn't know the language). I can pick up pronounciation
quickly - although I have to speak slowly - but my vocabulary skills
are relatively poor, probably because studying word lists bores me.
Keith
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Otis Viles (cier...@ic.net) wrote:
> On a whim, I decided to pull out my Webster's Second Edition New
> Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary (at 8.5 x 11 x 6 this was at
> risk of personal injury).
Your sacrifice is well appreciated. :)
> lich, n: a dead body; a corpse. [Scot. and Brit., Dial.]
But what pronunciation does it offer?
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Dave Brohman
> In article <5c9822$q6v$1...@nargun.cc.uq.oz.au>, s30...@student.uq.edu.au
> (Ruediger Landmann) writes:
> >"Lich" is a real Middle English word, simply meaning "man", and a rhyme
> >with "rich" is probably quite close to the original ME pronounciation. I
> >believe that there is a modern German word cognate with "lich" that means
> >corpse. Anyone?
The word you are looking for is "wight", not Lich.
The Amorphous Mass
Dave Brohman (dbro...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
>Otis Viles (cier...@ic.net) wrote:
>
>> On a whim, I decided to pull out my Webster's Second Edition New
>> Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary (at 8.5 x 11 x 6 this was at
>> risk of personal injury).
>
>Your sacrifice is well appreciated. :)
Well *I* pulled out my Mirriam-Webster 3rd International Dictionary (and
my tennis elbow thanked me for every moment), and:
>> lich, n: a dead body; a corpse. [Scot. and Brit., Dial.]
>
>But what pronunciation does it offer?
My dictionary says it rhymes with 'rich', but notes that it's from the
middle english words 'lich' and 'lic', which are in turn from the old english
'lic' (pronounced 'like'), so the same neoarchaeologophiles who use 'magicke,'
'dweomercraeft,' 'ye olde' and similar Gygaxisms can feel justified in
pronouncing it to rhyme with 'lick' or 'like,' since that's how it _used_ to
be pronounced.
Personally, I pronounce it "dead horse."
Otis Viles
On 2 Feb 1997 21:06:23 GMT, dbro...@chat.carleton.ca (Dave Brohman)
wrote:
>Otis Viles (cier...@ic.net) wrote:
>
>> On a whim, I decided to pull out my Webster's Second Edition New
>> Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary (at 8.5 x 11 x 6 this was at
>> risk of personal injury).
>
>Your sacrifice is well appreciated. :)
>
>> lich, n: a dead body; a corpse. [Scot. and Brit., Dial.]
>
>But what pronunciation does it offer?
Sorry; forgot to mention that the lack of pronunciation markers
indicated that there really weren't any markers. So, the i is as in
'it' and the ch is as in 'church' which would make it lich as in
which or itch.
Also, the [Scot. and Brit., Dial.] means its dialectal Scottish and/or
British.
Drow is in here also:
Drow, n: [Scot] a tiny elf of a race fabled to dwell in caves and to
forge magic metalwork.
Also, no pronunciation symbols which means o as in not, dog, broth;
that would make the 'ow' as in 'now' which supports drow being
pronounced as rhyming with now, not no.
Scotty Davis
>Hey, almost completely off the subject, has anyone else noticed a
>tendency for people from different regions to pronounce "drow"
>differently? From my experience, it's always seemed as though people from
>the Southeastern US made drow rhyme with "no", while northerners
>pronounce it like "now". Any other observations?
I'm from Alabama and we pronounce it like "now."
Do not weep, maiden, for war is kind.
Because your lover threw wild hands toward the sky
And the affrighted steed ran on alone,
Do not weep.
War is kind.
Scotty Davis