Half-drow?
Kenneth Pennington
of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
Mike Masten
A Half-Drow would character is still rolled up as a Half-elf.
The only diffence between a Half-Drow and a regular half-elf is:
How Drow does he look? I have one that's 96% Drow. I got
character races and non-character races tryin' to put me in my grave on a
daily basis. If it wasn't for the fact that I beat the party's ranger
into submission, she woulda killed the first night the party got together.
Don't go into a town that has been attacked by Drow. People just
don't understand that my parents loved each other. Of course, they tried
to kill each other for a month before they finally gave into passion.
What are the character's influences? My character is a
fighter/mage/thief. His mom was a Drow fighter/Cleric and his father was
a Human Bushi/Ninja from Kara-Tur. Talk about a messed up world view.
However, he has learned to cope in a world that will never truly accept
him for what he is: in your face, kick your ass, because I got tike
before I kill the dragon type of guy.
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and are the same as other half elves except for physical appearance. They
get NO other special benefits over and above what ALL Half elves get. I
know. I looked it up when I was creating my current PC. He is a half
Gold elf.
Ben Krauskopf
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Barbara Haddad
> Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
> of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
> to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
> same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
> ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
> concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
>
I've run half-elf (drow) before. Only 'benefit' they've gotten
were nifty tans. :) (I've run 'em and played 'em as having half-elf
abilities & nothing else.)
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> Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
> of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
> to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
> same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
> ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
> concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
>
A half-drow is certainly _possible_ and it would in fact be rather
fascinating to work one up. I would just give him the standard abilities
and restrictions of a half-elf,but then I don't use Drow as given in
Unearthed Arcana or the Complete Book of Elves -- if you do you might
want to give him some "drow-like" ones. What's interesting to me is:
what are the circumstances of his/her birth and childhood? and how would
various races/peoples react to him/her?
Consider the possibilities for parentage: evil male drow and evil
female human; evil male drow and neutral or good female human (charmed?
forced?); evil female drow and evil male human or evil female drow and
neutral or good male human (charmed? forced?) which brings up the issue
of why the drow did it -- to fulfill a strange prophecy? or an obscure
decree of Lolth's?; or any of the above combinations with a _good_ drow.
These circumstances will determine to a large degree how the half-drow
was raised, and also what special abilities you should give her: if she
was raised in the Underdark (for example, if the mother was an evil drow)
she might have some bonuses and penalties appropriate for Drow. If she
was kidnapped in her infancy by an invading contingent of dwarves she
might have other hangups... Whether her parents were good or evil,
willing or not, drow or human (or other -- for example the "foster
parent" dwarves) will have a huge impact on the character, although it
will not determine her absolutely.
Then consider how she will be reacted to by drow, surface elves,
dwarves (they could be friendly! :) ), humans...
Let me know what you think of. This has the makings of a fascinating
character!
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They are possible. I change the half elf rules for them. They keep the super
infravision and the ability to use to hands independent. However they don't
get the spells or spell resistance also the get a -1 to hit in day light.
As far as alignment it would depend on the human parent and whether the
character grew up around humans or not. As the character would be consider
an outcast among the drow and probably attack on sight.
I hope this helps.
David W. Knott
>Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
>of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
>to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
>same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
>ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
>concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
it gives very specific guidelines for half-Drow. Basically, treat half-Drow
as half-Elves with the following differences:
1) Dark skin as Drow
2) Magic resistance as Drow
3) Infravision and sensitivity to light as Drow
4) NO innate spell abilities
5) Low social status in any society
Seng Ann Mah
Re: Half-drow races.
Yes, there are instances of Half Drow, the product of drows and humans. They
can be found in the Forgotten Realms supplement "The Shining South".
I'd say that half-drows are treated as half-elves and thus lack their drow
abilities, but you might like to put in a racial stigma associated with being
the offspring of the drow. The half-drow describes in the supplement are the
result of drow mingling with evil human bandits in ages past. The drow
population eventually died, leaving the half-drow to continue the community
to the present (?) day.
Hope this helps some.
sMaH`
William Murray
(female). Our DM decided to take a little bit from that, and a little bit
from that and some (actually a lot of) other things I still don't know and
there it was, the half-drow.
The only prob for me was:
I'm playing a Half-Elf Multiclass (Fighter 8, Mage 9, Cleric 8) and guess
what, my special enemies are Drow ;) I didn't go for the battle, for the
sake of the party, coz she would have been really tough, at least my DM
said so after the adventure, well, to make this short, why shouldn't
there be half-drow.
In case you are interested in her abilities, mail me and I'll ask my DM
about it.
Laters,
Billy
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A half-Drow would be interesting (to say the least), but how you run it
is up to you...I would limit some of the magical abilities, halve the
MR. Effects of sunlight of course would be determined on where she grew
up and how you feel the Underdark is related to "inherent" magical
abilities. Some people feel that the Underdark "Energies" give the Drow
their magical abilities and MR, and that exposure to sunlight takes ALL
of that away.
Obviously, she would be some sort of an outcast (I assume) - If in Drow
or non-Drow society. Unless, she is from a clan that worships
Eilistraee (sp?), then she might actually be "okay" in that society.
Have fun with her!
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campaign recently. Not evil, of course, chaotic good. Has anyone let a
drow keep his/her full drow abilities on the surface. Does anyone not
regard Drizzt Do'Urden as the only possible referant for drow NPCs.
Previously I let a charcter play a quarter drow. Her
grandmother was full, which allowed for some interesting
role-playing. The problem is when characters just want the globes of
darkness and faerie fire. Doesn't anyone want to role-play anymore?
Pardon my whining. I allowed the 1/4 drow 15' infravision, and
no other elf abilities. Her coloration just tended woward dark in the
skin and pale in the hair, but not so that anyone would guess she was
part drow. Which was good, considering her companion is half-demon. But
that's a whole different story..-
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Allen James Oh
> I, against my better judgment, allowed a full drow in my
> campaign recently. Not evil, of course, chaotic good. Has anyone let a
I play a full drow in my campaign; she's not (in my perhaps biased opinion)
much more powerful than the other elves in the party, at least not by virtue
of being drow.
> Previously I let a charcter play a quarter drow. Her
> grandmother was full, which allowed for some interesting
> role-playing. The problem is when characters just want the globes of
> darkness and faerie fire. Doesn't anyone want to role-play anymore?
> Pardon my whining. I allowed the 1/4 drow 15' infravision, and
> no other elf abilities. Her coloration just tended woward dark in the
Hmm...actually, she shouldn't have gotten any elf abilities at all, strictly
speaking. If she has more human ancestors than elf ancestors, she's
considered human, for game purposes (PHB, p. 22). I guess I could see
maybe 15' infravision, but definitely not the drow innate spell-like
abilities (half-drow certainly don't get them, and most PC full drow are
considered to have lost them for game balance purposes).
Very tangentially related question (or perhaps, not at all related): does
anyone out there have ideas for Elven subraces that are basically Sylvan
in temperament, but based in other terrains (I don't know, maybe Grass
Elves, who live on the plains)? I'd like to create an Elven Druid, but
the Druid's Handbook says only Sylvan Elves can be Druids, and they must
be Forest Druids. Thanks for any suggestions...
Allen
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Barbara Haddad
> is up to you...I would limit some of the magical abilities, halve the
> MR. Effects of sunlight of course would be determined on where she grew
> up and how you feel the Underdark is related to "inherent" magical
> abilities. Some people feel that the Underdark "Energies" give the Drow
> their magical abilities and MR, and that exposure to sunlight takes ALL
> of that away.
>
Why not treat her as any other half-elf? She would have a unique
coloration & standard half-elf abilites. That's how _I_ would run it
Allen James Oh
> Why not treat her as any other half-elf? She would have a unique
> coloration & standard half-elf abilites. That's how _I_ would run it
Yeah, and that's the "official" TSR way of doing it too.
Allen
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Bruce A. Hunt
The only likely reason I'm aware of for the lack of half-drow is what
species would a drow be willing to mate with? I know lots of players
wanting to play Half-Drow try to get away with a Human/Drow mix but
I've always viewed Drow of thinking of themselves as so vastly superior
to the surface dwellers I couldn't see such a thing.
However I've read a series of stories by Laurie Brown that brings about
by the end of the chapter 12 a Human/Drow child but then her view of
what Drow are like may be different to mine or to your DM's view.
Without looking, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any
subterranean race either that would be suitable.
But as always, it's your DM's world, if he can conceive of half-drow
occuring, then half-drow can occur.
Bruce
... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done.
Garret Aanerud
: Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
: to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
: same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
: ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
: concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
I played Natasha DelLacroix, who was a half elf bard/priestest of
Lovitar. She had a good deal of hatered directed twoards her, both by the
elves of the party, who saw her as a drow with human blood, and by the
inhabitants of alomst every town, who saw her as being a drow and nothing
more.
Natasha was blamed for almost every negitive thing that hapened to
the party, because she was drow and served an evil god (which lead to the
fromation of the CMDF or Clerics Mutual Defense Front with the priest of
Myrkul), and was, in the end, killed by the two elves in the party in a
moment of weakness (she was pushed out infront of a flock of vroks as a
decoy so that the two elves could save themselves and flee myth dranor).
Realy, it would depend on the goup the people were playing with.
We were a heavy role-playing group with an excelent DM, and we had played
the same charactes for about a year by this point, so we knew them well.
I wasn't even disapointed, realy, when Natasha was sacraficed by the two
elves. I just came back from the dead. But that is another tale....
Natalie Baan
: Kenneth Pennington (g...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: : Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
: : of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
: : to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
: : same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
: : ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
: : concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
Ah! My favorite character of all time was Ts'aarn Selein Liasva, a
half-drow, catwere fighter/mage. (He didn't start out as a catwere, but
he met this she-catwere in this mage's tower, you see, and then he got a
wish....)
Actually, he was not terribly drowish. His human mother was seduced and
abandoned by a Drow noble (his idea of fun :P ), and she fled her family
for a multi-cultural human/elven community in the Forest of Mists, where
she died soon after he was born. Ts'aarn was mentored by the Mage of the
Forest of Mists, and is pretty much your standard half-elf. He doesn't
have any of the drow special abilities, and doesn't even look entirely
drow, as his skin is a dusky grey color and his eyes are green. But it
*did* cause problems when he became the lover of Lady Catherine of
Ravenwood, an avatar of the god of ultimate good (the priesthood was not
amused).
All in all, he had practically no contact with the drow. (He did visit
the Underdark one time; but that is another story....) But he was
absolutely strikingly gorgeous...even before he became a cat.
firecat
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>: Kenneth Pennington (g...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
>: : Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
>: : of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
>: : to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
>: : same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
>: : ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
>: : concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
I had a half-elven thief once, her father was a Chultan adventurer, her mother
was a moon elf. She inherited her father's skin and her mother's silver
hair...
She wasn't a half-drow per se, but she looked like one, was treated like one,
and was very nasty with those wrist blades...
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> : : Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
> : : of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
> : : to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
> : : same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
> : : ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
> : : concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
>
My brother played a pseudo half-drow pirate called "The Ebony," who
pretended to be a full-blooded drow to increase the fear he could
generate. He was the product of a dark-skinned human male and a
female Elf. From his human side, he got his size (around 6' tall,
I believe, and very muscular). In his boyhood, he was shunned by the
Elves for his looks and by the humans because they thought he was a
drow. His first mate was a half-orc who grew a thick beard to hide his
somewhat orcish features and who allowed the ship to do some sailing at
night because of his infravision.
John Horton <jho...@csun.edu>
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>> : Kenneth Pennington (g...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
>Ok, this is not quite on topic, but it's close:
>My brother played a pseudo half-drow pirate called "The Ebony," who
>pretended to be a full-blooded drow to increase the fear he could
>generate. He was the product of a dark-skinned human male and a
>female Elf. From his human side, he got his size (around 6' tall,
>I believe, and very muscular). In his boyhood, he was shunned by the
>Elves for his looks and by the humans because they thought he was a
>drow. His first mate was a half-orc who grew a thick beard to hide his
>somewhat orcish features and who allowed the ship to do some sailing at
>night because of his infravision.
Piloting a ship via infravision? Um...the range of infravision being what
it is, and the rather uniform temperature of the surface ocean being what
it is, I am just not seeing this as a very wise tactic for avoiding
hitting rocks.
Kwi Kim
>Kenneth Pennington (g...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
>: Just read part of a recent thread, and was wondering what you folks think
>: of a half-elf, the elven half being drow.... Would there be any changes
>: to the half-elf? Is it possible? Even if the half-elf would remain the
>: same, I think it would be great to Roleplay a character with half-drow
>: ancestry....even without the added benifits... Reply with your thoughts,
>: concerns, etc..... I would love to hear something on this subject.
> I played Natasha DelLacroix, who was a half elf bard/priestest of
>Lovitar. She had a good deal of hatered directed twoards her, both by the
>elves of the party, who saw her as a drow with human blood, and by the
>inhabitants of alomst every town, who saw her as being a drow and nothing
>more.
> Natasha was blamed for almost every negitive thing that hapened to
>the party, because she was drow and served an evil god (which lead to the
>fromation of the CMDF or Clerics Mutual Defense Front with the priest of
>Myrkul), and was, in the end, killed by the two elves in the party in a
>moment of weakness (she was pushed out infront of a flock of vroks as a
>decoy so that the two elves could save themselves and flee myth dranor).
> Realy, it would depend on the goup the people were playing with.
>We were a heavy role-playing group with an excelent DM, and we had played
>the same charactes for about a year by this point, so we knew them well.
>I wasn't even disapointed, realy, when Natasha was sacraficed by the two
>elves. I just came back from the dead. But that is another tale....
I think the concept of half-drow is old. For instance i have a
character who is a half-drow, Kithtantess-Kathdan, he is a 16th level
Assassin. Well, the way i played him was very seclusive(alignment:NE).
He never cared about anyone personally unless it affected him. He
always had the rear-guard of a party. Kith always wore a cloak to
cover up his grey skin, and he never "boldly" battled an opponent.
Well, basically he kept all his ancestral traits(drow). What i meant
about the old concept was, i had this character for about 7 years.
Derek Jobien
<snip>
> I think the concept of half-drow is old. <snip> What i meant
> about the old concept was, i had this character for about 7 years.
Unearthed Arcana was released prior to that, ~ 1986? So this is not too old.
Did you play the drow stats from the Fiend Folio, or play a drow campaign within
the Vault of the Drow module? I did before I had seen the Unearthed Arcana book.
There are new RPGers every day. Your concept of old is relative, not absolute.
Derek, loremaster of the drow.
Todd Schmuecker
it more like the half elf or closer to the drow?