3E: Belt pouch and back pack questions
Brad ~Tristan~ Daeda
empty? 0? Also, since, according to the PH, 50 coins weighs one lb.
Does that equate to the pouch being able to carry 150 coins?
In 3E, it states that the backpack weighs 2 lbs. empty. How much can it
hold?
I'd like to know how many coins things like a; backpack, belt pouch,
sack, etc. can carry for treasure purposes. Anyone know where this is
figured out at?
Thanks,
(-Brad
Douglas Bailey
> In 3E, it states that the belt pouch weighs 3 lbs. full. How much
> empty?
The belt pouch is listed on Table 7-7 on p.108 as weighing 3 lb. On p.
110, on Table 7-8, it's listed as having an empty weight of 1/2 lb. I'm
not sure if this is intentional or an error, but it works for me in the
absence of a better figure.
> In 3E, it states that the backpack weighs 2 lbs. empty. How much can it
> hold?
It just says 1 cu. ft., no weight capacity listed that I can find. The 2e
backpack carried 50 lb., but then it also held 6 cu. ft., so the
comparison is not a good one. If we scaled, we'd get a 3e backpack that
held a bit over 8 lb., which wouldn't be a hell of a lot of use.
> I'd like to know how many coins things like a; backpack, belt pouch,
> sack, etc. can carry for treasure purposes. Anyone know where this is
> figured out at?
Based on the above, I'd guess a belt pouch can hold 2 1/2 lb. (weight) or
1/5 cu. ft. (volume), whichever comes first.
Assuming coins weigh 1/50 lb. as specified in 3e, I've worked out some
rough figures based on the specific gravities estimated from the notes at
http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra.html:
Platinum (specific gravity 21.5): 67,121 coins/cu. ft.
Gold (specific gravity 19.3): 60,253 coins/cu. ft.
Silver (specific gravity 10.5): 32,780 coins/cu. ft.
Copper (specific gravity 8.9): 27,785 coins/cu. ft.
A straight average of these figures gives 46,985 coins/cu. ft.; I'd be
inclined to just use a blanket "50,000 coins per cubic foot" figure. So
the belt pouch would theoretically be able to hold 10,000 coins... but
it'd rip apart long before you could shovel them all in. In practice, the
weight limit (2 1/2 lb., or 125 coins) will be what's important.
Backpack and sack: without a maximum weight capacity figure, we can't
know. They'd hold 50,000 coins each on volume, but again this isn't a
very useful calculation.
hth,
doug
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Spatterface
Douglas Bailey wrote in message ...
>tristanknecht@[REMOVE]netzero.net wrote:
>
>> In 3E, it states that the belt pouch weighs 3 lbs. full. How much
>> empty?
>
>110, on Table 7-8, it's listed as having an empty weight of 1/2 lb. I'm
>not sure if this is intentional or an error, but it works for me in the
>absence of a better figure.
>
>
>> hold?
>
>backpack carried 50 lb., but then it also held 6 cu. ft., so the
>comparison is not a good one. If we scaled, we'd get a 3e backpack that
>held a bit over 8 lb., which wouldn't be a hell of a lot of use.
Is that 8 lbs of feathers or 8 lbs of gold? The leather of the backpack can
certainly support a hell of a lot more than 8lbs. Volume and weight do not
go hand in hand. It says 1 cubic foot of volume. That should be your yard
stick, not weight. I would still say a backpack can hold 50 lbs before you
have to start worrying about straining the seams. Imagine a 1 foot cube
box, and how much stuff you can pack into it. That's your backpack's
capacity. Apply the same logic to the belt pouch.
Military packs usually weigh 60 lbs, with gear. The belt pouch is also made
of sturdy stuff, and can hold more than a couple of pounds. You probably
wouldn't want more than a couple of pounds banging against your leg, but
that's another issue entirely.
>> I'd like to know how many coins things like a; backpack, belt pouch,
>> sack, etc. can carry for treasure purposes. Anyone know where this is
>> figured out at?
>
[snip useless calculations]
Peter Newman
>
> tristanknecht@[REMOVE]netzero.net wrote:
>
> > In 3E, it states that the belt pouch weighs 3 lbs. full. How much
> > empty?
>
That's not a belt pouch it is a spell component pouch. It apparently
weighs 3 lb. when it is full because table 7-8 says that it weighs
1/4 lb when empty.
> On p.
> 110, on Table 7-8, it's listed as having an empty weight of 1/2 lb. I'm
> not sure if this is intentional or an error, but it works for me in the
> absence of a better figure.
The weights in table 7-8 for Dry Goods are indeed the empty
weights per the
+
+
mark at the top of the weight column and the
+
+
annotation at the bottom of the table.
> > In 3E, it states that the backpack weighs 2 lbs. empty. How much can it
> > hold?
>
> It just says 1 cu. ft., no weight capacity listed that I can find. The 2e
> backpack carried 50 lb., but then it also held 6 cu. ft., so the
> comparison is not a good one. If we scaled, we'd get a 3e backpack that
> held a bit over 8 lb., which wouldn't be a hell of a lot of use.
>
> > I'd like to know how many coins things like a; backpack, belt pouch,
> > sack, etc. can carry for treasure purposes. Anyone know where this is
> > figured out at?
>
> Based on the above, I'd guess a belt pouch can hold 2 1/2 lb. (weight) or
> 1/5 cu. ft. (volume), whichever comes first.
No if a full spell component pouch, which can carry 1/8th of
a cubic foot of material weighs 1/4 lb when empty and 3 lb. when
full then it can carry 2&3/4 lbs of material. Therefore a belt
pouch can carry 4.4 lbs of material. ((2.75/0.125) * 0.2)
This works out to 220 coins. Third ed coins are the same size
as a US Kennedy half dollar, per the PH illustration.
(Since the density of the various metals differs obviously silver
pieces and copper pieces must be much thinner than gold pieces
and platinum pieces).
Therefore to properly determine the number of coins that will
fit in a belt pouch we need to mint a large number of 0.32
ounce (regular ounce not coin ounce) (50/16) (or 9.08 gram)
coins, in copper, silver, gold, electrum, gold, & platinum
and poor them into a 0.2 cubic foot belt pouch until it is
full. I would be happy to do all this work for you, if you
will simply send me the gold and silver. :)
> Assuming coins weigh 1/50 lb. as specified in 3e, I've worked out some
> rough figures based on the specific gravities estimated from the notes at
> http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra.html:
>
> Platinum (specific gravity 21.5): 67,121 coins/cu. ft.
> Gold (specific gravity 19.3): 60,253 coins/cu. ft.
> Silver (specific gravity 10.5): 32,780 coins/cu. ft.
> Copper (specific gravity 8.9): 27,785 coins/cu. ft.
This would mean that a belt pouch could hold 268 lb.. of
platinum or 111 lb.. of copper. Therefore strength of materials,
not volume, is the important criteria
Douglas Bailey
> Douglas Bailey wrote:
> > The belt pouch is listed on Table 7-7 on p.108 as weighing 3 lb.
>
> That's not a belt pouch it is a spell component pouch.
The spell component pouch also weighs 3 lb. when full, true, but I was
referring to the "Pouch, belt" item listed in the first column of Table
7-7, not to the spell component pouch. Both are given with weight 3 lb.
on that table.
> > Based on the above, I'd guess a belt pouch can hold 2 1/2 lb. (weight) or
> > 1/5 cu. ft. (volume), whichever comes first.
>
> No if a full spell component pouch, which can carry 1/8th of
> a cubic foot of material weighs 1/4 lb when empty and 3 lb. when
> full then it can carry 2&3/4 lbs of material. Therefore a belt
> pouch can carry 4.4 lbs of material. ((2.75/0.125) * 0.2)
I respectfully disagree. You're basing your calculation on the difference
between the full and empty weights for the spell component pouch. But
we've already been given the full and empty weights for the belt pouch: 3
lb. full, 1/2 lb. empty. So either it holds 2 1/2 lb. or this method
isn't the right way to work out its weight limit.
Spatterface
Brad ~Tristan~ Daeda wrote in message <8po5cg$rvp5q$1...@fido.engr.sgi.com>...
You'll have to wing it. I assume that the backpack is designed to carry
50-60 lbs. It is 1 cubic foot in volume, so with normal goods, you won't
ever reach 50-60 lbs inside the pack. If you just pour gold coins in, you
can easily exceed that limit. But the weight the backpack holds has to
include the stuff strapped to the outside as well. I'd say that once you
start getting over 60 lbs, you start stressing the bag. A new bag could
hold up 100 lbs for a while, but an older/more used bag probably couldn't
handle the weight for very long. Also consider allowing characters to
purchase "masterwork" backpacks and the like. "High quality equipment for
the serious adventurer" which holds more and can take a beating.
Also limiting the belt pouch to 3 lbs makes little sense. It weighs 1/2
pound. That's a good amount of material, if its in good shape it should be
able to handle a good deal more weight, more like a 10lb or slightly higher
range.
DEBernardo
>pound. That's a good amount of material, if its in good shape it should be
>able to handle a good deal more weight, more like a 10lb or slightly higher
>range.
Spoken like someone who's never worn a heavy belt pouch, and had the little
sucker whack him in an inconvenient place when he ran... :-) A 10lb "whack"
would be downright injurious...
shewolf
Spatterface
DEBernardo wrote in message
<20000925194306...@ng-cm1.aol.com>...
>>Also limiting the belt pouch to 3 lbs makes little sense. It weighs 1/2
>>pound. That's a good amount of material, if its in good shape it should
be
>>able to handle a good deal more weight, more like a 10lb or slightly
higher
>>range.
>
>Spoken like someone who's never worn a heavy belt pouch, and had the little
>sucker whack him in an inconvenient place when he ran... :-) A 10lb
"whack"
>would be downright injurious...
>
I'm not suggesting that its a good idea, and if you really have worn a belt
pouch, you'd know that even 3 lbs is more weight than you want hanging
around there. I'm just saying that the materials can handle more weight
than 3 lbs without falling apart.
